View Full Version : Chuck v Jardine: your thoughts?
achillesthegreat
09-16-2007, 06:49 PM
This fight is a head scratcher for me. What has Dana said about it? Jardine is coming off a loss. Chuck says numerous times he doesn't get up for fights if they aren't big.
Is this a good match up? Is it the best match up that can be made, all things considered?
It seems to have gone by pretty much unnoticed.
What do you think of the card?
Amsterdam
09-16-2007, 07:21 PM
It's not really worth purchasing, but I may find a live feed. Jardine is not on Liddell's level, but an upset is not outside of the question.
Shogun/Griffin is a mismatch IMO, Griffin is a gate keeper, unless Shogun just shows up not even in shape.
What else is there?
Chuck has said he doesn't get up for big fights....but this IS a big fight because he is coming off a spectacular KO loss, and another loss at his advancing age could essentially end his days of making the big dough in this sport.
Jardine isn't that good PLUS he doesn't have the skill level to compete with Chuck.
The guy lost to Stephan Bonner for cryin' out loud.
Beating Griffin to me just emphasizes how ordinary,albeit tough, Griffin is.
If Liddell has much problem with this guy, then we should know what direction Chuck's career is heading.
Liddell KO 2
Same for Griffin vs. Shogun.
Way different talent level here. Griffin has never faced a guy with the resume of Shogun. And even though I thought he won against Ortiz, ..Tito sucks nowdays.
Shogun blows this guy out.
ufoalf
09-16-2007, 07:41 PM
I mainly buying this for Shogun vs Griffin fight. This is his debut and i just wanna see him perform in HD :P. Plus Ill split the cost with my friends so it shouldn't be too bad.
Donut62
09-16-2007, 07:50 PM
Chuck-Jardine is pretty uninteresting to me. But the rest of the card is solid.
Anyone thinking Shogun will just walk through Forrest is in for a surprise. I have little doubt that Shogun will win, but Forrest's tremendous size, cardio, and superior hands will give him fits.
Machia/Nakamura is awesome. Machida is an amazing fighter who just isn't willing to press the action. Nakamura isn't as good as Machida but his non-stop coming forward aggression should make for a great fight.
Fitch/Sanchez is too awesome for words, that will be an amazing fight.
I don't think Chuck has an easy time with Jardine at all.Jardine has good enough stand up to compete with Chuck. I don't consider Chuck's standup "superior" at all so he is no shoe in at all. And as for Griffin-Shogun, of course Shogun is the easy favorite but Forrest at a walking around weight at 240 ish, working with Couture and steadlily improving I can see him giving Shogun a great fight and an upset not out of the question. And for the Fitch-Sanchez fight should be great also, this could be Fitch's real coming out party.V-bookie has him as the favorite.
IntentionalButt
09-16-2007, 08:48 PM
I like Keith and would be incredibly happy for him to defy the odds and pick up a huge win; and for me seeing Chuck KTFO is slightly better than sex. Plus, the crow Dana will have to eat in interviews if his golden boy's career continues to careen downwards, after all the hype, will be glorious. So I'm not getting my hopes up, but an upset would please me on many levels.
chimba
09-16-2007, 09:34 PM
This fight is a Liddell killer. Dana is setting him up against a live underdog so that if Chuck loses..Bye Bye..Anyone knows if Chucks contract is up?
Beebs
09-16-2007, 10:28 PM
Chuck's going in, and knocking him the fuck out.
ufoalf
09-16-2007, 11:30 PM
This fight is a Liddell killer. Dana is setting him up against a live underdog so that if Chuck loses..Bye Bye..Anyone knows if Chucks contract is up?
No way, Liddell is gona stay in UFC as long as he wants. He brings in good KO fights. Dana was his manager and supposedly him and Dana are close. If Leben by some miracle is still fightin in UFC Liddell is definitely not going anywhere even if he loses to Jardine. This fight is perfect for Liddell imo, I dunno why people think Jardine's "stand up" has anything on Liddell. Liddell is gona come in and KTFO Jardine.
This fight is Jardine killer.
IntentionalButt
09-17-2007, 12:35 AM
No way, Liddell is gona stay in UFC as long as he wants. He brings in good KO fights. Dana was his manager and supposedly him and Dana are close. If Leben by some miracle is still fightin in UFC Liddell is definitely not going anywhere even if he loses to Jardine. This fight is perfect for Liddell imo, I dunno why people think Jardine's "stand up" has anything on Liddell. Liddell is gona come in and KTFO Jardine.
This fight is Jardine killer.
Very few people are arguing that Liddell is the clear favorite, and Jardine the clear underdog.
Jardine can be dangerous, however - and Chuck can be knocked out. Disparities in skill levels, or in accomplishments in big fights - don't guarantee anything.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
09-17-2007, 01:49 AM
The card is good... although of course I would have rather seen Chuck vs Silva, and Shogun vs Machida as it was supposed to be. After Machida and Silva were out, I would have rather seen them go ahead and throw Chuck vs Shogun.
Even with Shogun fighting Griffin... it would have made a lot more sense to have Chuck fight Houston Alexander.
I am most excited to see Fitch vs Sanchez.
dwilson
09-17-2007, 09:38 AM
Chuck vs Housten would have been good to see for both guys but Jardine is a UFC favorite and still has decent skill. It should be a good fight non the less with Chuck taking a late ko.
Griffen vs Shogun looks a mis match but Griffen is tough and may surprise a few people. I have Shogun by UD.
The other ights look very good and worth the watch.
achillesthegreat
09-17-2007, 02:39 PM
Yeah, I think Chuck v Houston is better. Looks like Houston is now set to be hyped/built up.
mann187
09-17-2007, 03:43 PM
Chuck has been given Jardine simply to score a KO he would of been better fighting Rashad because Rashad a better fighter and better win on the record. Dana does not want to risk Chuck losing again.
hopkinsfan07
09-17-2007, 03:54 PM
Griffin has never faced a guy with the resume of Shogun. And even though I thought he won against Ortiz, ..Tito sucks nowdays.
yea well he also got a gift against Stephan Bonnar :huh
robert ungurean
09-19-2007, 08:25 PM
Liddell is a over hyped has-bin. Jardine to put it bluntly sucks.
Beebs
09-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Liddell is a over hyped has-bin. Jardine to put it bluntly sucks.
Absurd
Mankind
09-21-2007, 06:49 PM
Sometimes Father time strikes overnight and Liddel is 37 years old.
Hes no spring chicken.
Maybe hes hit his peak, and is on the decline.
The Dean of Mean might win this fight.
scurlaruntings
09-21-2007, 07:42 PM
AbsurdWell Jardine does suck a bit, and Liddell was overhyped badly by the UFC fan boys before the demise of PRIDE.This being said he is legit as his record speaks for itself.
BewareofDawg
09-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Well Jardine does suck a bit, and Liddell was overhyped badly by the UFC fan boys before the demise of PRIDE.This being said he is legit as his record speaks for itself.
He knocked out Couture twice. Formerly was thought that Couture was slightly past it when that happened, but his recent fights prove otherwise. That beast that just destroyed Sylvia and Gonzaga......was destroyed by Liddell.
he's still pissy that pride was bought so he's a little on the bias side against most UFC fighters, so take what he has to say with a grain of salt.
I don't think Chuck has an easy time with Jardine at all.Jardine has good enough stand up to compete with Chuck. I don't consider Chuck's standup "superior" at all so he is no shoe in at all. And as for Griffin-Shogun, of course Shogun is the easy favorite but Forrest at a walking around weight at 240 ish, working with Couture and steadlily improving I can see him giving Shogun a great fight and an upset not out of the question. And for the Fitch-Sanchez fight should be great also, this could be Fitch's real coming out party.V-bookie has him as the favorite.
Although I didn't pick Griffin outright I was one of the few who gave him a shot against shogun, The Dean of Mean could be tonight's next upset.....you heard it here.:deal too bad I only bet 25 v cash on Griffin the odds were great
Although I didn't pick Griffin outright I was one of the few who gave him a shot against shogun, The Dean of Mean could be tonight's next upset.....you heard it here.:deal too bad I only bet 25 v cash on Griffin the odds were great
it's hard to be humble, but another great pick!, who is the fuckin judge that gave the fight to chuck, he clearly lost rounds 2 and 3. I also only bet 25 v-cash on Jardine too bad huge odds.
geppy
09-23-2007, 02:06 AM
Man, Chuck looked bad. He is so washed up. If Chuck keeps fighting he is going start losing alot more fights.
he's too one dimensional doesn't even kick anymore, he was too used to people getting KO'd every time he hit them that he thinks it will happen every time. Crocoo learned the same lesson if your too predictable you will be beat.
Beebs
09-23-2007, 02:13 AM
Chuck's going in, and knocking him the fuck out.
:good Good job idiot.:pwned :fuckoff
haha I would have brought that up sooner or later, I still don't know how people can make bold predictions like that, when Jardine has respectable standup and Chuck's isn't world class.
I agree Ajax, I thought Chuck looked incredibly one dimensional. He stalked around, only looking to land one big right hand. He got caught with many gnarly leg kicks and side kicks, and never had an answer for them.
He is one of the coolest athletes I've had the privilege of meeting, but he looked awful tonight. If Jardine was able to do this then the top guys in the division would beat him up badly at this point.
audio101
09-23-2007, 02:51 AM
It's funny how Liddel said boxers just use "basic punches" awhile back, yet thats all he seems to use the past few fights..
Mankind
09-23-2007, 03:00 AM
Chuck has been given Jardine simply to score a KO he would of been better fighting Rashad because Rashad a better fighter and better win on the record. Dana does not want to risk Chuck losing again.
i called it right i think, but its a sad day In MMA.
I wanted him to loose til i saw he had little left, then i was really cheering for him:-(
scurlaruntings
09-23-2007, 05:35 AM
I agree Ajax, I thought Chuck looked incredibly one dimensional. He stalked around, only looking to land one big right hand. He got caught with many gnarly leg kicks and side kicks, and never had an answer for them.
He is one of the coolest athletes I've had the privilege of meeting, but he looked awful tonight. If Jardine was able to do this then the top guys in the division would beat him up badly at this point.
But this is what Chuck has ALWAYS done. And its normally ALWAYS worked.
achillesthegreat
09-23-2007, 08:53 AM
It's funny how Liddel said boxers just use "basic punches" awhile back, yet thats all he seems to use the past few fights..
Generally that is what Chuck does. Did he really say that?
RUSKULL
09-23-2007, 09:56 AM
He knocked out Couture twice. Formerly was thought that Couture was slightly past it when that happened, but his recent fights prove otherwise. That beast that just destroyed Sylvia and Gonzaga......was destroyed by Liddell.
How quickly they forget.........................
Chuck is still the man even if he's on the decline.
achillesthegreat
09-23-2007, 10:53 AM
All the losses in the world won't change what Chuck has done.
Belfort, Ortizx2, Couture x2....... It speaks for itself.
geppy
09-23-2007, 01:10 PM
All the losses in the world won't change what Chuck has done.
Belfort, Ortizx2, Couture x2....... It speaks for itself.
True, but if Chuck fights some of these guys he beat before, it probably wont be a good result this time. At 37 Chuck looks way on the decline and should consider retiring.
achillesthegreat
09-23-2007, 01:30 PM
True, but if Chuck fights some of these guys he beat before, it probably wont be a good result this time. At 37 Chuck looks way on the decline and should consider retiring.
We should not forget what Chuck was.
I've seen some highlights and he looks to be sloppy - no kicks, getting caught easy with kicks, not fighting his fight, open as hell upstairs, horribly inaccurate and more...
It might be age.
I found it amazing he took all those kicks and never flinched, his legs must be black and blue today, but they must have worked because he slowed down in rounds 2 and 3 and really didn't do much . He just let Jardine take the decision.
hopkinsfan07
09-23-2007, 04:25 PM
i would of never said this would of gone to the 3 rounds amasing
How quickly they forget.........................
Chuck is still the man even if he's on the decline.
actually he is not the man anymore after 2 straight loses you go to the back of the bus. MMA works on a what have you done for me lately basis.
RUSKULL
09-23-2007, 07:59 PM
actually he is not the man anymore after 2 straight loses you go to the back of the bus. MMA works on a what have you done for me lately basis.
As another poster said, they can't take away what he's done already. Maybe it is time for The Iceman to retire, as well as Cropcop.
Some fighters style's don't age well and that goes for most strikers.
I believe a more well rounded game is nec. to have the late career success of Couture.
Amsterdam
09-24-2007, 01:15 AM
All the losses in the world won't change what Chuck has done.
Belfort, Ortizx2, Couture x2....... It speaks for itself.
And Sobralx2, Horn and Randleman.
bachatu
09-24-2007, 02:21 AM
Chuck seemed to come out determined & focused then for some reason never got off. He really backed up after he ate some flush shots from Jardine; specifically after he was knocked down from a punch.
Jardine looked extremely scared in the beginning and was fighting very sloppy and weird at times, but it was effective enough to avoid some of Chucks shots.
Nevertheless, it is obvious this version of Chuck is beginning to look like a shell of the past,. He is beyond his prime and it is now showing. He doesn't seem to be aggressive when he needs to be anymore. Its almost like he is loosing the trigger/timing he had...he almost knew when to throw certain punches and lay it on a guy when he saw an opening....Jardine gave many openings, but for some reason Chuck didnt go after him. In fact, im going to say that even in the Tito Lidell 2 rematch, Lidell could have finished off Tito sooner, but he didn't...
A guy like Houston Alexander would eat this version of Chuck alive. Lets hope they dont put him up against him anytime soon and becomes Houstons' stepping stone.
dwilson
09-24-2007, 06:28 PM
The fight was like watching too bar fighters, the only thing different was a lack of cursing.
Ramshall1
09-24-2007, 07:21 PM
Chuck was on top for a long time, but it looks like that time hass passed. Tito had a similar run. . . these guys cant stay on top forever.
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