View Full Version : has cotto's style changed?
Relentless
09-16-2007, 07:16 PM
i have been reading a post in another forum and the poster talks about how cotto's style changed over the years,
he is no longer on the balls of his feet bouncing, he doesn't throw fast sharp and combinations anymore, his defense has also weakened.
watch this fight and compare it to his last few.
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Toopretty
09-16-2007, 07:18 PM
Good assessment. I noticed he is way more flat footed but he is sharper and mor accurate with his punches and his jab now is very very good. He stalks more now.
41fever
09-16-2007, 07:19 PM
Cotto is more relentless
@140 he fought in spurts
@47 he's a monster, no breaks
Toopretty
09-16-2007, 07:22 PM
Cotto has very very fast hands..underrated.
Relentless
09-16-2007, 07:25 PM
i thought he was better earlier in his career when he would box more and use his jab and threw faster combinations and also had a better defense (kept his hands up)
Toopretty
09-16-2007, 07:28 PM
i thought he was better earlier in his career when he would box more and use his jab and threw faster combinations and also had a better defense (kept his hands up)
Yeah..but a better boxer would eat him up if he fought like that now..Now he moves in close and makes sure he gets the job done. He is better now then then..He still keeps his guard high and pumps his jab when he needs to. He fought in reservation early. I still think he would of brutalized Hatton at 140 bad match up.The one guy that would love for Hatton to come forward and hold him. Cotto would of knocked his spleen out.
Lance_Uppercut
09-16-2007, 07:30 PM
It looks to have changes some. I just pray he doesn't become just a stalker ala' Tito.
aliwasthegreatest
09-16-2007, 07:42 PM
i had forgotten that Sosa managed to sting Cotto early on. but Damn Cotto really was abit faster
MagnificentMatt
09-16-2007, 07:44 PM
i have been reading a post in another forum and the poster talks about how cotto's style changed over the years,
he is no longer on the balls of his feet bouncing, he doesn't throw fast sharp and combinations anymore, his defense has also weakened.
watch this fight and compare it to his last few.
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How come every fan can't be like Relentless... We know hes a Cotto fan, (or at least i think) and he is the one that points out Cotto dropping a little bit..
Marnoff
09-16-2007, 08:30 PM
How come every fan can't be like Relentless... We know hes a Cotto fan, (or at least i think) and he is the one that points out Cotto dropping a little bit..
I don't think Cotto is "dropping", he's just evolving. His punches are faster clearly at the lower weight, but it's also because I don't believe there was as much "crunching power" on what he threw. The Cotto that fought Sosa, boxing and moving, would have very little chance against Mayweather. However, I think this new style he has where he stalks and throws powerful body shots at Welterweight will be a real challenge for Mayweather. His current form, though he'll get hit cleanly more, will allow him to have a shot at breaking fighters down even better.
I don't think he would beat Mosley fighting like he used to either. Trying to stay behind a tighter guard and pick his shots more would see him getting outworked. The newer version has a better chance at stopping Mosley, though as said befiore, he'll get hit more.
MrMagic
09-16-2007, 08:33 PM
Cotto is a fucking superb master at feinting shots.
Mosley have to keep off the ropes and he should be perfectly fine, but he can't let Cotto back him up like Vargas was about to do.. because Cotto will find your ribs and your liver one way or another.
Relentless
09-16-2007, 08:54 PM
also lets not forget he has turned abit one dimensional lately, i hope shane isn't the one to expose it.
Relentless
09-16-2007, 09:05 PM
the kid has talent yeah, but lets not be blind here. he is starting to approach hype job around here. let him beat shane b4 we give him his props. his chin is far from the best. his d is lacking and his footwork is lacking. he has the abiltiy, and i am a fan but he has a long way to go. age is an advantage, and he will only improve, but i think all this hype is premature as of now.
what the hell are you babbling on about fool??
we are talking about how cotto's style has changed, its not a thread for you to bring you stupidity in.
please fuck off:hi:
i actually think he looked at his best vs bazan... maybe not BEST BEST... but damn he looked good. bazan can just take a beating.
Toopretty
09-16-2007, 09:08 PM
what the hell are you babbling on about fool??
we are talking about how cotto's style has changed, its not a thread for you to bring you stupidity in.
please fuck off:hi:
This is far as far can get from a so called nut hugging thread. This is one of the real threads with a real topic. That guy needs help.:nut
MagnificentMatt
09-16-2007, 09:11 PM
I don't think Cotto is "dropping", he's just evolving. His punches are faster clearly at the lower weight, but it's also because I don't believe there was as much "crunching power" on what he threw. The Cotto that fought Sosa, boxing and moving, would have very little chance against Mayweather. However, I think this new style he has where he stalks and throws powerful body shots at Welterweight will be a real challenge for Mayweather. His current form, though he'll get hit cleanly more, will allow him to have a shot at breaking fighters down even better.
I don't think he would beat Mosley fighting like he used to either. Trying to stay behind a tighter guard and pick his shots more would see him getting outworked. The newer version has a better chance at stopping Mosley, though as said befiore, he'll get hit more. Very true, not many will beat Sugar Shane by just trying to outwork him... Cause not many people can outwork him haha.
One thing people assume about Shane, is that he has good defense, which is very wrong...He has fast hands, not good defense.. Shane has good feints though, and his pawwing jab/very heavy overhand right messes with people.. If Shane has anything good that relates to defense its his footwork, but still he uses it more in an aggressive style.. I think Cottos biggest problem is gonna be the first 4-5 rounds, and dealing with Shanes speed, of course.
i actually think he looked at his best vs bazan... maybe not BEST BEST... but damn he looked good. bazan can just take a beating.
It was a very good fight, although Cotto has changed for the better. He is now a much more effective pressure fighter, and sits down on his punches more. Still a terific combination puncher. Still very quick. He definitely hasn't got worse. Its just harder to look good against better opposition. His defense is NO WHERE NEAR as bad as people try to make out. He is just offensively very active, and when you throw to the body it leaves your head open.
Cotto is more relentless
@140 he fought in spurts
@47 he's a monster, no breaks
Thats the biggest change IMO. he used to box more at the begining of his career, but he didn't sit down on his punches the way he does now. His pressure wasn't as effective either.
brooklyn1550
09-16-2007, 09:27 PM
He's becoming more of a relentless pressure fighter and more of a bull. He still has a great jab, he just doesn't get on his feet much. I'd like to see him, more than anything, move his head more.
the_what
09-16-2007, 10:50 PM
Cotto's always been a boxer-puncher. I always believed that he would have fought Jose Luis Castillo that way at 140 when the fight was been talked about. Cotto adapts to the situation. His last few fights he has just been on ass kicking mode.
Marnoff
09-16-2007, 11:05 PM
He's becoming more of a relentless pressure fighter and more of a bull. He still has a great jab, he just doesn't get on his feet much. I'd like to see him, more than anything, move his head more.
I would agree with that completely. The changes he's made have been for the better, but they've left him with his guard down often as he throws ruthless body shots. If he got into the habit of becoming elusive with his head, he could avoid some punishment... even deter his opponent from throwing, for fear of missing and getting crunched to the midsection.
Ray_Robinson
09-16-2007, 11:05 PM
I think he tends to start a little slowly now and can lose a few rounds early on but he uses that left hook to the body so well, which helps him out in the later rounds as it tends to slow most guys down.
Marnoff
09-16-2007, 11:05 PM
Thats the biggest change IMO. he used to box more at the begining of his career, but he didn't sit down on his punches the way he does now. His pressure wasn't as effective either.
Yep, early he would throw faster but softer punches, now he doesn't even really sit down, he pushes forward!
Marnoff
09-16-2007, 11:06 PM
I think he tends to start a little slowly now and can lose a few rounds early on but he uses that left hook to the body so well, which helps him out in the later rounds as it tends to slow most guys down.
Yep. As long as he continues to cultivate his body attack and doesn't neglect it in the future at any point, he'll never have to worry about late rounds.
brooklyn1550
09-17-2007, 12:31 AM
What impresses me most about Cotto other than punching power and his body punches are...
1. His ability to deal with speed
2. His versatility in the ring
What impresses me most about Cotto other than punching power and his body punches are...
1. His ability to deal with speed
2. His versatility in the ring
I am impressed with his under rated technical skills. He is very versatile as you said, and I feel that at 147 he now has the higher work rate that he needs to beat the top guys.
achillesthegreat
09-17-2007, 07:32 AM
Cotto has always been a versatile fight - he can box or brawl.
It just so happens that at 147 he has faced 3 guys who like to box. He has thus had to hunt them down.
jecxbox
09-17-2007, 09:41 PM
Go to time 1:19 of the 3rd round!!! that combo was so text book man..Cotto don't put it together with that kind of speed anymore! I think he was much more crisp earlier on his career...he has definitely leaned towards battering his opponents now a little bit and alittle less on his timing and counters..But he can still fight fine because there hasn't been a drastic change.
jecxbox
09-17-2007, 09:43 PM
Cotto has always been a versatile fight - he can box or brawl.
It just so happens that at 147 he has faced 3 guys who like to box. He has thus had to hunt them down.
Exactly that can be one of the major reasons as well..He has had to face 2 southpaws and hes really had to close that gap ruthlessly in the manner he has..When he fights an orthodox fighter again he may be able to revert to the crisp counter inside shots that he used to do at 140.
Relentless
09-17-2007, 10:10 PM
Go to time 1:19 of the 3rd round!!! that combo was so text book man..Cotto don't put it together with that kind of speed anymore! I think he was much more crisp earlier on his career...he has definitely leaned towards battering his opponents now a little bit and alittle less on his timing and counters..But he can still fight fine because there hasn't been a drastic change.
also check out the head movement and the blocks.
Tito Time
09-17-2007, 10:37 PM
i have been reading a post in another forum and the poster talks about how cotto's style changed over the years,
he is no longer on the balls of his feet bouncing, he doesn't throw fast sharp and combinations anymore, his defense has also weakened.
watch this fight and compare it to his last few.
7VAjNU6yNcU
-vBCPXg23AI
Did anyone see PBF fight Sosa? did he dominate sosa?:huh
Did anyone see PBF fight Sosa? did he dominate sosa?:huh
No, in fact sosa made him look uncomfortable at times, although the score cards don't really reflect the fact that most of the rounds were fairly close.
Tito Time
09-17-2007, 10:59 PM
No, in fact sosa made him look uncomfortable at times, although the score cards don't really reflect the fact that most of the rounds were fairly close.
do you think Sosa was shot by the time he got to Cotto, only about a year later.
also check out the head movement and the blocks.
Cotto is well rounded and adapts to his opponent. He boxed against guys like Bazan and even Sosa because they were pressure fighters. As of late he has primarily been in with good counter punchers and boxers. If he fought against a guy who was a great pressure fighter like Hatton, I have no doubt what so ever he would box effectively. To suggest he has become a lessor fighter is just ridiculous.
Toopretty
09-17-2007, 10:59 PM
No, in fact sosa made him look uncomfortable at times, although the score cards don't really reflect the fact that most of the rounds were fairly close.
He beat Sosa convincingly and Sosa had his moments but did not amount to anything to win him the round. Floyd bested him in those close rounds.
He beat Sosa convincingly and Sosa had his moments but did not amount to anything to win him the round. Floyd bested him in those close rounds.
He did, but the victory is no where near as convincing as what Cotto did to him. There were still times in the fight were Floyd gave Sosa the opportunity to go to work, and IMo the fight was closer then the almost shutout scorecards suggest, although I do believe it was scored correctly. For example, IMO it was a closer fight then Baldomir v Floyd which had a similar score card. The reason I pointed it out is because to someone looking on boxrec alone it woulnd't show the close rounds that were there during the fight.
Toopretty
09-17-2007, 11:26 PM
He did, but the victory is no where near as convincing as what Cotto did to him. There were still times in the fight were Floyd gave Sosa the opportunity to go to work, and IMo the fight was closer then the almost shutout scorecards suggest, although I do believe it was scored correctly. For example, IMO it was a closer fight then Baldomir v Floyd which had a similar score card. The reason I pointed it out is because to someone looking on boxrec alone it woulnd't show the close rounds that were there during the fight.
True...Sosa fought floyd a little different though..he kind of made floyd be the aggressor early and he came on the attack later. Cotto just basically pulvarized him.. Cotto is a talent.
True...Sosa fought floyd a little different though..he kind of made floyd be the aggressor early and he came on the attack later. Cotto just basically pulvarized him.. Cotto is a talent.
Fair enough. For some reason I MUCH prefer you as a poster now(and before as TooPretty for that matter) then as shiftygrifts or whatever you were. Maybe because it was an alias or whatever and you didn't care, but you came across as an arrogant c*nt who just wanted to sling names at everyone. Anyway, I am over it, internet arguements are for nerds anyway. Be good to just talk boxing again and leave all the other bullshit behind.
achillesthegreat
09-18-2007, 07:48 AM
Exactly that can be one of the major reasons as well..He has had to face 2 southpaws and hes really had to close that gap ruthlessly in the manner he has..When he fights an orthodox fighter again he may be able to revert to the crisp counter inside shots that he used to do at 140.
Watch for the few moments he does decide to box with his 147 opponents. He is pulling off great shit against much better and bigger fighters.
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