P4P Number 1 - Mayweather or Pacquiao

[robpalmer135]

Who is number 1?

[TFFP]

If Pacquiao beats Cotto impressively I'll make him my #1.

[brown bomber]

There about even in achievements- I agree with TFFP a cotto win would set Pac ahead.... Cotto will beat him though.

[Dan684]

I'm not picking. Floyd is lightyears ahead and if they met would prove so. At the moment Pacquiao has taken the better wins and beating Cotto (which he will) would only improve this. Beating a small Marquez doesn't automatically take him back to the fabled No.1 spot however I cannot put Pacquiao there when he's not the best !

[safc1990]

There about even in achievements- I agree with TFFP a cotto win would set Pac ahead.... Cotto will beat him though.

Agree with everything you said here, can't believe Cotto is being wrote off by so many. :thumbsup

[TFFP]

Pacquiao has the better wins for sure, beating Cotto would be better than Mayweather's win last night by a long way. I couldn't see any argument for not having Pacquiao that being the case.

[safc1990]

Pacquiao has the better wins for sure, beating Cotto would be better than Mayweather's win last night by a long way. I couldn't see any argument for not having Pacquiao that being the case.

Good post, I have Mayweather and Pac joint number 1 at the moment bit if Pac beats Cotto (which I personally can't see happening) he will definitely have earned the lineal number 1 spot.

[Dan684]

Yeah not arguing that TFFP - I honestly think Floyd knew that himself. Floyd could have put Marquez away after round 2 IMO however I think he knew what would be said. If he'd have blew him out like he could have then all the talk would have been about how he was far too big/strong it was a mismatch etc etc. He made it about skill to try and counteract that and make the talk about his skill instead of the size !

[essexboy]

Pacquiao but I see Mayweather beating him head to head and regaining the title if it comes off.

[stork]

last night dosn't justify putting floyd on top for me. He won impressively. but beating a smaller opponent defies the logic of p4p doesn't it? I have pac #1 and floyd #2 for now.....

[WATERBOY]

in my opinion p4p is who you think beats who not whos accomplished more or whos had the better wins and mayweather beats everyone and i think he stops pac man!

[brown bomber]

Pacquiao has the better wins for sure, beating Cotto would be better than Mayweather's win last night by a long way. I couldn't see any argument for not having Pacquiao that being the case.I don't agree.... Prime Corrales, prime Manfreddy, Jesus Chavez, De La Hoya, Gatti, Castillio etc etc

[Losfer_Words]

Pacquiao but I see Mayweather beating him head to head and regaining the title if it comes off.

last night dosn't justify putting floyd on top for me. He won impressively. but beating a smaller opponent defies the logic of p4p doesn't it? I have pac #1 and floyd #2 for now.....

Seconded:good. You can't instill him as #1 after beating up on an overmatched JMM. Pacquiao has been much active and deserves his ranking considering his victories before and after PBF retired- his inactivity has cost him top spot. PBF#2 for the time being until he beats Pacquiao.

It will be interesting to see how many people who picked Pacquiao in a potential PBF fight who will all of a sudden change their minds now. PBF will always beat Pacquiao, IMO. Last night just reaffirms my stance on it.

[achillesthegreat]

Floyd was number one, Pac got to number by beating guys that Floyd had already beat, Floyd then came back after 2 years to show he still is number one.

He beat the second best P4P fighter in the world. People can't argue that Pac made Hatton and DLH look terrible and Floyd didn't. Floyd just did the same thing with Marquez.

[cool-cat]

Mayweather i think if the two actually fight it would be the same as last night. i would see cotto giving mayweather more problems than pacquiao

[gallardo]

I hate to say it but i think after last night it's PBF.

[gallardo]

....that said, I think Mosely could potentially beat Floyd. And Pac would take out Mosely.

But Pac Versus Floyd? Pac wouldn't be able to connect.

....I guess it's just different styles. Go figure.

[El Cepillo]

Pacquiao was #1 before last night. I don't think beating up a Lightweight is a good enough reason to put Mayweather back on top.

That said, I think Cotto will beat Pacquaio, so Mayweather will ascend to the top stop soon enough.

I'll be interested to see what The Ring do...

[nickythekid]

wait till they meet. if pacquiao beats mayweather he will be something very special. i read a boxing writer say that he thinks mayweather is one of the few boxers who could hold his own against atg's from the past. he is multi-generational

[TFFP]

I don't agree.... Prime Corrales, prime Manfreddy, Jesus Chavez, De La Hoya, Gatti, Castillio etc etc
De La Hoya? What was so great about winning 8-4 over De La Hoya? Mayweather basically pickpocketed his way to a decision.

Pacquiao has beat Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. I don't buy all the excuses and apathy towards some of those victories.

[Dan684]

Cotto is gonna get flattened by Pacquiao :good

Then Pacquiao is gonna get flattened by Floyd :good

Thats if Arum lets the fight go ahead !

[El Cepillo]

wait till they meet. if pacquiao beats mayweather he will be something very special. i read a boxing writer say that he thinks mayweather is one of the few boxers who could hold his own against atg's from the past. he is multi-generational


Won't be much different to the fight last night. Manny is no bigger than JMM. Personally all I want to see is Pac/JMM rubber match, and Mayweather fight a legit welter like Cotto or Mosley. Unless Pac does somehow actually manage to beat Cotto, and then Pac-Mayweather becomes a more attractive prospect.

[Dan684]

TFFP - I know Oscar wasn't the hardest target out there at LM but you must give Floyd some credit for that. That was the closest Floyds come to adversity and he ended up dealing with it pretty easily in the end.

Oscar has a granite chin, Floyd isn't a heavy puncher and the fight was a step up in weight for Floyd. Why would anyone have expected him to do anything else but pick-pocket him.

I must have been the only person I know who could have gauranteed it was gonna be a pretty boring fight !

[ScouseLad]

Floyds win over Oscar was very good imo, Oscar weighed in at 154 aswell which makes it more impressive. And there wasnt any huge evidence he was shot beforehand, just inactive.

[El Cepillo]

Floyds win over Oscar was very good imo, Oscar weighed in at 154 aswell which makes it more impressive. And there wasnt any huge evidence he was shot beforehand, just inactive.

DLH was an old and inactive, part time fighter at this point, and it was more or less even after 8 rounds. Mayweather didn't win the fight, DLH just got tired and abandoned his jab and lost it, was a pretty unimpressive performance by the pretty boy, IMO. Two of the judges scored the last round to DLH, if the third judge had given the 12th to DLH, it would have been a draw.

[TFFP]

I give him about the same credit as I give Pacquiao. I take the weight into account but the fact is Pacquiao actually went in there to destroy. He's a destroyer and thats what he does. De La Hoya couldn't even get started whereas Mayweather gave him every opportnity to get comfortable, jab a little, let some combinations go, but Mayweather when he wanted to was easily in control. So it wasn't a great performance by his standards because he showed he could have won easily had he been inclined.

Pacquiao has the better wins IMO, the fact a former flyweight would be considered Mayweather's best win speaks volumes, his rise has been incredible. Pacquiao started at fly and is now fighting at welterweight and Mayweather started at junior lightweight and is now a welterweight. Therein lies the big difference and why its not so simple as to say 'Mayweather beats him so he's better'.

[ScouseLad]

I agree with you on Pac, he's most definitely there on merit. His rise has been astonishing.

Win or lose from now on what he's achieved is just incredible, and the improvement in him over the years has been a joy to see.

[kosaros]

Floyd was number one, Pac got to number by beating guys that Floyd had already beat, Floyd then came back after 2 years to show he still is number one.

He beat the second best P4P fighter in the world. People can't argue that Pac made Hatton and DLH look terrible and Floyd didn't. Floyd just did the same thing with Marquez.

Yeah, but Mayweather held all the advantages over his last two opponents - Hatton had to move up in weight, JMM had to really move up in weight. Pacquiao beat Hatton and JMM at their weights making it a much more even playing field, as well as looking more impressive in beating ODLH and Hatton, where Pacquiao was the 'smaller' man.

Pacquiao is number 1 for me still.

[nickythekid]

i think pound for pound, if the two were the same weight from birth till they met in the ring what mayweather brings cancels out what pacquiao brings imo. he is the consumate boxer

[achillesthegreat]

Yeah, but Mayweather held all the advantages over his last two opponents - Hatton had to move up in weight, JMM had to really move up in weight. Pacquiao beat Hatton and JMM at their weights making it a much more even playing field, as well as looking more impressive in beating ODLH and Hatton, where Pacquiao was the 'smaller' man.

Pacquiao is number 1 for me still.

He didn't hold the advantges. PEople made up advantages to hate on him.

Hatton is a bigger fighter who fought at 147 before and he agreed to a lower weight. Plus Hatton ducked him at 140 so it's his fault that Floyd had grown.

JMM moved up in weight but is the 2nd best p4p fighter. he went even with pac and pac moved up in weight to dominate a bigger man than floyd.

pac fought hatton and jmm at those weights cos he was such a big guy himself.

floyd beat better versions of hatton and dlh though. floyd showed hatton could be ko'd and he showed again that a small man can beat dlh, especially a weight drained dlh.

i'm not hating on pac, i'm reasoning because people are being stupid in their assessments of floyd and pac.

[gasman]

I definitely think Floyd is Number 1. I hope he gets the big fights on with Cotto, Pac and Mosely. I dont think any of those guys have the style to beat Floyd, he is just so good, a joy to behold. The only guy out there who I think has the style to beat Floyd is Williams, but that fight will never happen.

Also, I think Cotto beats Pac.

[rambo99]

Pac. He's fighting at weights where most fighters have a size advantage over him and is still winning impressively. Floyd is dragging fighters up to his div, where he hold all the aces.

Head to head I think Floyd wins, and would rather see him take on a fighter from the division he's currently campaigning in.

[DOM5153]

i dont think beating up a blown up lightweight really puts you in the p4p no1 spot and i dont actually mind mayweather

[kosaros]

Pac. He's fighting at weights where most fighters have a size advantage over him and is still winning impressively. Floyd is dragging fighters up to his div, where he hold all the aces.

Head to head I think Floyd wins, and would rather see him take on a fighter from the division he's currently campaigning in.

This :deal

[Mandanda]

For me at this time it's Floyd. If Manny beats Miguel then i will have to evaluate it depending on the performance etc but at this current time Floyd is number one for me.

[El Cepillo]

For me at this time it's Floyd. If Manny beats Miguel then i will have to evaluate it depending on the performance etc but at this current time Floyd is number one for me.

If Manny beats Cotto there is NO FUCKING WAY he should be anything other than the P4P King, that would be twice as good a victory as anything on FMJ's record.

[Dan684]

Cotto's an easy win for Manny.

Mark my words :good

[El Cepillo]

Cotto's an easy win for Manny.

Mark my words :good

What makes you think that Dan?

[Dan684]

To be quite honest mate I am very biased against Cotto which I will honestly admit. I honestly dont see what it is that other people think makes him so good.

He looked OK stepping up to Welter but he has looked really poor in recent times. The Margarito fight was his until he gassed. I dont think it is hard to outbox tony either so this isn't a compliment as such. He looked pretty awful against Clottey ( I know he had a bad cut and I give him respect for that) and the Jennings victory meant nothing. I honestly think that without such a long layoff, Mosely could beat him pretty handily too.

I dont think he is a great 'boxer'. His come forward plodding style is totally made for Pacquiao in my opinion. His head movement is almost non-existent and his lateral movement is poor. He's ok getting someone into a corner and bullying them but Pac will not be there for him to do that. Manny's footwork, lateral movement and explosiveness will give him nightmares.

Add this to the fact that his stamina is more than questionable and he's having to drain himself to make the weight, makes me beieve that this will be a stoppage win for Pac around the 6-9 mark.

Just my opinion even though I openly admit I am no fan of his. Infact i'm even gonna say that a win for Cotto is a better result for Cotto than a win for Manny is for Manny :good

[El Cepillo]

Yeah Dan, I'm going to have to think about this one a bit more. But I have a strong gut feeling that Pacquaio is going to be seriously out of his depth against a big, tough guy like Cotto. I can see Pac having some success with his speed, footwork and accuracy, but I think Cotto will hurt him all night, and probably stop him somewhere between 8-10. Cotto is a GREAT body puncher, with decent movement, so if can slow Manny down and hopefully cut of the ring and punish the little Pinoy. If he can do that, he wins, easily. Cotto has eaten big strong welterweight punches from Margo and Mosley, I think he can handle Pacs power, just not sure about the speed.

[Dan684]

Avatar Bet ??????????? :yep

[El Cepillo]

Avatar Bet ??????????? :yep

Nah, I'm to much of an avatar poser to take the risk. Plus 90% of my predictions are wrong (JMM TKO 11 Mayweather. Tarver UD Dawson) :lol:

[trotter]

but beating a smaller opponent defies the logic of p4p doesn't it? I have pac #1 and floyd #2 for now.....

Exactly

What does fighting a guy from two or even three divisions below prove 'p4p' wise?

He hasn't even beaten the best at his own weight

[Dan684]

:rofl

I have restrictions in avatar beats nowadays too. No Calzaghe pics :lol:

[TFFP]

Pac will beat him, Im confident of that. That's to take nothing away from him though, seven weight champion. Cotto is a top 3 welter even with May's return.

[El Cepillo]

Pac will beat him, Im confident of that. That's to take nothing away from him though, seven weight champion. Cotto is a top 3 welter even with May's return.

What makes you think that?

[Dan684]

Pac will beat who ? Surely not Floyd TFFP - :-(

[Axl_Nose]

For me Floyd is the PFP 1 .. People only really dismiss Floyds opponents as inferior because he is so comfortable in there and can always do what he wants, when he wants .. He defeats good fighters with ease and fans dont like seeing it so they make excuses, it was the same with Roy Jones Jr ..
Its about time that all boxing fans started to appreciate Floyd and appreciate his absolute mastery of the art and the science of boxing .. In 50 years people will watch and marvel at Floyd Mayweather ....
Floyd should be regarded P4P 1 until he retires probably unbeaten ....

Pac, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito etc dont have a prayer, hes as close to unbeatable as you can get against the current opponents .. It would take one of the big guns from the 80's to bring him down, Leonard, Duran, Hearns or Curry .. As good as Pac, Cotto and Mosley are they dont stand a chance, if Shane still had that lighning handspeed of a few years ago then he'd trouble Floyd, but he hasnt ...

[El Cepillo]

For me Floyd is the PFP 1 .. People only really dismiss Floyds opponents as inferior because he is so comfortable in there and can always do what he wants, when he wants .. He defeats good fighters with ease and fans dont like seeing it so they make excuses, it was the same with Roy Jones Jr ..
Its about time that all boxing fans started to appreciate Floyd and appreciate his absolute mastery of the art and the science of boxing .. In 50 years people will watch and marvel at Floyd Mayweather ....
Floyd should be regarded P4P 1 until he retires probably unbeaten ....

Pac, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito etc dont have a prayer, hes as close to unbeatable as you can get against the current opponents .. It would take one of the big guns from the 80's to bring him down, Leonard, Duran, Hearns or Curry .. As good as Pac, Cotto and Mosley are they dont stand a chance, if Shane still had that lighning handspeed of a few years ago then he'd trouble Floyd, but he hasnt ...

Yeah, but this is just working along the lines that Mayweather is so good, that he doesn't need to fight anyone, 'cause no one could beat him, so lets just give him the credit for beating guys he's never actually fought. Mosley, Cotto and Pacquaio all have a fair chance of beating Floyd, they wouldn't be the favourites, but so what?

No one gave Barrera much chance of beating Hamed either.

[antcull]

Pac is still number 1 in my eyes for sure..

I thought Pac was closing in on the No.1 before Floyd retired anyway. His complete destructions of DLH and Hatton while moving significantly up through the weights certainly outweights PBF dominating the far smaller JMM.

I'm picking Cotto to beat the Pacman though

[trotter]

Yeah, but this is just working along the lines that Mayweather is so good, that he doesn't need to fight anyone, 'cause no one could beat him, so lets just give him the credit for beating guys he's never actually fought. Mosley, Cotto and Pacquaio all have a fair chance of beating Floyd, they wouldn't be the favourites, but so what?

No one gave Barrera much chance of beating Hamed either.

Absolutely... if he had beaten Cotto, Margy, Clottey, Shane and Williams fir enough

But look at his comp since he moved up from 135... busted flushes or guys moving up, not the creme de la creme anyway

The guy is a fantastic fighter but for fucks sake, fight the toughest challenges and lets see what you've really got

[Axl_Nose]

Pac will beat him, Im confident of that. That's to take nothing away from him though, seven weight champion. Cotto is a top 3 welter even with May's return.

TFFP are you suggesting Pac will beat Cotto or beat Floyd ??
Im probably with you on Cotto as he looks a little damaged to me mentally, ever since that Margarito fight .. I wasnt impressed with his Clottey performance at all. Cotto also has a seriously deficiant guard. Margarito and Clottey were punching through his guard with ease which causes him major problems when he tires, he's too easy to hit ..

If your suggesting Pac will beat Floyd, your nuts .. Floyd will toy with him like he did with Marquez. Floyd can do whatever he wants with Pac, and i'll be having 10k on that one, all i need is for Pac to look dynamite against Cotto .. Floyd wont be there to hit like the majority of Pac opponents, Floyd v Pac will be a schooling far worse than when Erik Morales did a job on him in they're first fight ....

[El Cepillo]

^^^ starting to become annoying.

[Dan684]

Whats annoying EL C ?

[El Cepillo]

The cockiness of Axl_Nose.

[Dan684]

:lol: Got'ya

Still think Floyd would pick Manny apart and stop him though :good

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think most of you are writing Pacquiao off too easily, his feet and hands are very fast and he was catching Diaz and Hatton with that powerful right hook that they couldn't see coming. My big concern would be how his chin would hold up to the very precise punching of Mayweather, wouldn't be surprised if Pac got took out early, but if this didn't happen he would give Mayweather hell.

[El Cepillo]

:lol: Got'ya

Still think Floyd would pick Manny apart and stop him though :good

I think you might be right. Pac probably reached the peak of his career against Hatton.

[Dan684]

Brinley nice point however I think unfortunately with him, thats exactly what would happen. :good

[Dan684]

El C - nah that will come against Cotto - Floyd is just a step too far, as it has proved to be for every other single fighter facing him

[dan-b]

Pacquiao. Mayweather had been out of the ring for nearly two years and came back and fought a blown up featherweight. Regardless of how good his performance was, that doesn't mean he reassumes the number one mantle.

[kosaros]

El C - nah that will come against Cotto - Floyd is just a step too far, as it has proved to be for every other single fighter facing him

Apart from when the judges helped him against Castillo ;)

[robpalmer135]

Apart from when the judges helped him against Castillo ;)

most people still scored it at the time to mayweather. its only in retrospect people give it to castillo.

[Dan684]

Kos is just a trouble causer :good

[robpalmer135]

i rank P4P on achievment first, which i think manny and mayweather are equal on. A cotto win will put manny ahead but i fancy cotto.

so for now i go on who i think would win a fight between the two and i go with Floyd.

[dan-b]

The whole "pound for pound" thing has been misconstrued and abused. The correct definition is that if all the fighters were the same weight, who would be the best? Not the popularity contest it's become.

[stephen1632]

Is it possible to be p4p king with 1 fight in 2 years.:rofl

[teessider]

For me P4P No. 1 is the best boxer fighting today, ability wise not record. That is Floyd. He looked great last night. JMM is a brillliant fighter and is very precise with his punches, size difference aside he still didnt manage to land a decent punch and was made to look ordinary. I think Floyd would beat everyone out there (mentioned in earlier posts) he is just too good IMO.

[Little Tyson]

Pacquiao.

[kosaros]

For me P4P No. 1 is the best boxer fighting today, ability wise not record. That is Floyd. He looked great last night. JMM is a brillliant fighter and is very precise with his punches, size difference aside he still didnt manage to land a decent punch and was made to look ordinary. I think Floyd would beat everyone out there (mentioned in earlier posts) he is just too good IMO.

If your going to do it like that then you would have rigondeaux, who has had 3 pro fights, in the P4P top 10 ;)

[antcull]

For me P4P No. 1 is the best boxer fighting today, ability wise not record. That is Floyd. He looked great last night. JMM is a brillliant fighter and is very precise with his punches, size difference aside he still didnt manage to land a decent punch and was made to look ordinary. I think Floyd would beat everyone out there (mentioned in earlier posts) he is just too good IMO.

Of course you have to take in record.........the main factor in confirming a fighters ability is their record in the ring and the fighters they beat.

[teessider]

If your going to do it like that then you would have rigondeaux, who has had 3 pro fights, in the P4P top 10 ;)

Of course you have to take in record.........the main factor in confirming a fighters ability is their record in the ring and the fighters they beat.

:lol: ok worded that wrong, but i'm sure you go my drift. Floyd is back on the scene put in a great performance and IMO goes back to the top as he's the best out there.

[robpalmer135]

The whole "pound for pound" thing has been misconstrued and abused. The correct definition is that if all the fighters were the same weight, who would be the best? Not the popularity contest it's become.

Mayweather every time.

[pauliewalnuts]

Floyd gets my vote, even though im more of a Pac man fan. Floyd is growing on me though.

[kerrminator]

Mayweather will never get credit from all fans, thats just the nature of the beast but I find it a little bit funny that his record gets picked to pieces yet Pac has one of the most suspect records of all (imo of course lol )

All his big wins since the 1st MAB fight were argueably against fighters who were past it (except JMM who imo beat him twice anyway) Only about 50% of Pacs opponents since then were coming off a win which to me doesnt sound worthy of a pfp title fighter.

These days the hype machine can truly create a legend that even the most knowledgable of fans can buy into from time to time.....just look at Amir as an example of a hype created fighter

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I definitely think Floyd is Number 1. I hope he gets the big fights on with Cotto, Pac and Mosely. I dont think any of those guys have the style to beat Floyd, he is just so good, a joy to behold. The only guy out there who I think has the style to beat Floyd is Williams, but that fight will never happen.

Also, I think Cotto beats Pac.

I like Paul Williams a hell of a lot but I can definitely see PBF beating him as well.

[icemax]

Mayweather by a country mile....the victory over JMM was sublime and the weight/size issue is just a complete red herring, he beat the Mexican with speed and footwork not using bully boy tactics where extra weight would have been an advantage

[dan-b]

Mayweather will never get credit from all fans, thats just the nature of the beast but I find it a little bit funny that his record gets picked to pieces yet Pac has one of the most suspect records of all (imo of course lol )

All his big wins since the 1st MAB fight were argueably against fighters who were past it (except JMM who imo beat him twice anyway) Only about 50% of Pacs opponents since then were coming off a win which to me doesnt sound worthy of a pfp title fighter.

These days the hype machine can truly create a legend that even the most knowledgable of fans can buy into from time to time.....just look at Amir as an example of a hype created fighter

Every fighter's record can be picked to pieces to some degree if one so wishes. No one should begrudge Pac the accolades he's been recieving in recent times due to the risks he's taken. All I ask of Mayweather is that he fights one of the elite welters, something he failed to do last time, for what ever reason.

[Mandanda]

If Manny beats Cotto there is NO FUCKING WAY he should be anything other than the P4P King, that would be twice as good a victory as anything on FMJ's record.
Depends doesn't it...a robbery decision for Manny....a cut that ends the fight etc. If he wins fairly or a close split he will slide into number 1 slot. It could be they go back and forth into that slot.