British Prospects & How far will they go?

[RyDogg123]

Just see what the general thoughts are of our prospects at the moment?

Derek Chisora?

Tyson Fury?

Tony Bellew?

Goerge Groves?

James Degale?

Tony Jeffries?

Billy Joe Saunders?

Kell Brook?

John O'Donnell?

Jamie Cox?

Frankie Gavin?

The future does look pretty decent in Britain, theres atleast a handful of should be world champs

[achillesthegreat]

Those are pretty terrible prospects. Never seen Bellew fight or I can't remember him having fought. Groves looks okay but his style might get found out on the world stage. The rest still look incredibly poor though Brook is looking better and better. Gavin and Cox look solid but not special.

That is a poor line up at present but some of them have the talent to really imrpove.

[Jacko]

Its a bit to early to tell with the olympic lads. Skillwise, Gavin and Saunders seem sound but unless you have a Mayweather/Whitaker level of defense you need a decent chin and heart along side that skill to achieve anything at world level. Until these lads are tested in a tough fight we will never know if they are good enough to do anything on the world stage.

I do like Brook and Cox though. Although Cox is also untested yet but early signs look good.

Fury could also do something to. I never bought into the over hype of him. I thought he made to many mistakes but the guy is very young and he showed alot of heart against McDermott so maybe if his promoters hold him back a bit and he kncukles down in the gym to perfect his craft he could do something on the world stage. He has got loads of time so theres no point rushing him.

[TFFP]

Just see what the general thoughts are of our prospects at the moment?

Derek Chisora? British title, European challenger

Tyson Fury? See above

Tony Bellew? Need to see him in with a better fighter, could go far

Goerge Groves? Should get to European at least, too early to tell further

James Degale? As above, hopefully they don't meet too early

Tony Jeffries? Solid fighter, probably already European class, definitely will win a Brit title

Billy Joe Saunders? Way too early to tell, just a baby. Has talent.

Kell Brook? Not sold on him, if he beats Jennings he's European class due to lack of depth in talent but I can't see him winning a world title.

John O'Donnell? Euro class, never world champ material

Jamie Cox? As above

Frankie Gavin? Could go all the way, has the talent

The future does look pretty decent in Britain, theres atleast a handful of should be world champs
There are my best guesses :good

[Beeston Brawler]

I'd say they all need to be matched far harder to be able to tell.

[TFFP]

Stephen Smith looks as handy as many of these. He should be in this company.

Gavin, DeGale, Groves, Bellew are the stand outs IMO.

[ScouseLad]

Billy Joe Saunders? WBO Champion

James Degale? WBO Champion

Frankie Gavin? WBO Champion

Kell Brook? WBO Champion

etc, etc

[nickythekid]

theres definately going to be some good friday night fights coming up. for entertainment my favourite are cox, murray, saunders, brook

[Dan684]

Just see what the general thoughts are of our prospects at the moment?

Derek Chisora? - Will probably scrape a British Title no Further

Tyson Fury? - Pure wank ! If he gets past british i'll be suprised !

Tony Bellew? - From what i've seen should be looking for world honours.

Goerge Groves? - I think he looks good. Hopefully word honours, but defo Euro level

James Degale? - Probably Euro level. Tough division and I'm not sold one bit on him

Tony Jeffries? - Euro at least - Hopefuly world

Billy Joe Saunders? - Would like to see him step down in weight. looks good for Euro but I dont think he ever looks fit enough to be able to last. I know looks are decieving but he looks fat for the weight !

Kell Brook? - World Level. Think probably our best prospect for a title out of these at the moment

John O'Donnell? - Will be beaten by Brook easily. British MAX

Jamie Cox? - Not seen too much of him

Frankie Gavin? - Super talented. Euro at the very least. Probably world.

The future does look pretty decent in Britain, theres atleast a handful of should be world champs

[TFFP]

Who is Brook winning a title off? Unless they find/wait for a soft option he'll be found out. He leans back with his chin in the air still, and I'm absolutely convinced he hasn't got the reflexes to really pull that off like Hamed did, and he hasn't got the awkwardness of Witter/Nelson either. When he's facing a non-cab driver with some power he's in trouble.

He ain't better than Andre Berto and Berto has had worlds of trouble with fringe fighters. It's a tough division. Imagine Berto in with Brook's competition he'd look like a killer too.

[Dan684]

I think he'd beat Cotto in a year or two :lol:

And thats not a joke either :good

[brown bomber]

If Brook beats Cotto I will eat my own fingers.

[kosaros]

You missed a couple other fighters like Cleverly, who I feel will reach world level (division is dire at the moment), Vassell, who could and should go beyond domestic level, Travis Dickinson, beat Groves twice in the am's, looks heavy handed with quick hand speed and should reach European level and one of the Walsh brothers are decent - not sure which one though, I get mixed up...

Of those you mentioned, in my opinion, the most promising are:

Groves
Jeffries
DeGale
Gavin
BJS
Bellew

Least promising in your list:

O'Donnell
Chisora
Cox
Fury

[TFFP]

BJS needs to lose some weight. He should be a welterweight at his age. If he's at fucking super middle now is he gonna be a heavyweight when he's matured?

[Rocky]

Just see what the general thoughts are of our prospects at the moment?

Derek Chisora?

Tyson Fury?

Tony Bellew?

Goerge Groves?

James Degale?

Tony Jeffries?

Billy Joe Saunders?

Kell Brook?

John O'Donnell?

Jamie Cox?

Frankie Gavin?

The future does look pretty decent in Britain, theres atleast a handful of should be world champs

KENNY ANDERSON u seemed to miss him :-(

[robpalmer135]

This is based on what I have seen on them inside the ring and what i have heard from trainers, experts, people on here that know them and what I have seen of them myself.


Heavyweight

Chisora - Will win for British/Comm titles but will fail beyond that. Lacks the dedication and heart needed to go beyond that.

Fury - Will get to Euro level eventually but will always get found out beyond that. Again he will lack the dedication needed to get to the top. He is a pikey after all.

Price - Will get to Euro level and eventually a world title shot with the right promoter but do not think his chin holds up at world level.

Sexton - Won't do much more than he already has.

Light Heavyweight

Bellew - I reckon this guy will become a world champion but it may end up being at Cruiser. He has world class power already and is big and skillful enought o cause allot of trouble.

Cleverly - Rate him really high. He has the attitude to go to the top, I think he will be britains number 1 fighter for some time and in the top 10 P4P in the world

Super Middle Weight

DeGale - He already has a good defence which is the problem with most british fighters at world level. He is seriously fast. I think he will win a world title but lacks the power to be a dominant force.

Groves - A future world champion and if he keeps grounded and work hard he could be up there with the worlds best. Tough and Powerful he could win belts up to Cruiser.

Jeffries - His large fan base will mean he gets plenty of opportunities. I could see him being Euro champ and challenging for a world title.

BJ Saunders - He wont get to British Level if he carrys on at Super Middle. He lacks the dedication needed to forfill his potential. If he sorts this out (which i doubt, again a pikey) and gets down to at least light middle, he can be a world champion.

Welterweight

Brook - I think he will become a world champion. Allot of the top welterweights have 1-2 years left in them so it will leave gaps for Kell to fill. Could end up winning titles at Light middle as well.

Cox - British level, maybe further if he has a good promoter

O'Donnell - I see him winning the European at some point but not going much further

Light Welterweight

Frankie Gavin - Lacks the dedicatoion needed to go forfill his potential. Will not go beyind British level. Lack of power is a problem.

Lightweight

Murray - Will pick up the Euro title but will not go beyond that

Bell - British and Commonwealth.

Super Featherweight

Burns - Has found his level as a good domestic fighter.
K.Mitchell - Will win a world title and defend it severall times. May unify but will come unstuck if the likes of Gamboa and Lopez end up at super feather.
V.Mitchell - He will eventually pick up a domestic title

Featherweight

Appleby - Will eventually win the Euro title but not in his next fight. I think he could be a world champion but is being over matched to soon and it will have a negative effect.

Arthur - Domestic title

Bhatia - Perhaps a Euro title if he puts the effort win.

Lindsay - Will pick up the European at some point and should challenge for a world title

Smith - Along with Cleverly, Groves and Bellew he is the top guy. Will win a world title but go down as one of the best smaller british fighters ever.

Super Bantam

Marsh - May pick up the European one day
Joe Murray - Reckon he can win a world title one day. Deffiantley Euro

Super Fly

Broadhurst - Is with ****** so will skip Euro title and get a world title shot. Cannot see him winning as he doesnt have enough speed to cope at world level and lacks the dedication needed to go to the top.

Flyweight

Ashley Sexton - I think he will pick up the European in a few years as its not a strong division in Europe. At both Fly and Super Fly.

[pathmanc1986]

If Brook beats Cotto I will eat my own fingers.



hahaha, you got a chuckle outa me there jeff.


i see a few WBO champs in that list but it terms of becoming a PROPER world champ who fights top contenders all over the world and is respected in their division il go for groves, gavin, lindsay, carl frampton



the big intangibles make this exercise a bit pointless at this stage. heart, determination, extreme physical fitness can elevate people who look nothing special to world class and in the case of degale, saunders, fury, chisora etc the opposite will occur

[antcull]

Chisora - Will win for British/Comm titles but will fail beyond that. Lacks the dedication and heart needed to go beyond that.

Fury - Will get to Euro level eventually but will always get found out beyond that. Again he will lack the dedication needed to get to the top. He is a pikey after all.

BJ Saunders - He wont get to British Level if he carrys on at Super Middle. He lacks the dedication needed to forfill his potential. If he sorts this out (which i doubt, again a pikey) and gets down to at least light middle, he can be a world champion.

Frankie Gavin - Lacks the dedicatoion needed to go forfill his potential. Will not go beyind British level. Lack of power is a problem.

Broadhurst - Is with ****** so will skip Euro title and get a world title shot. Cannot see him winning as he doesnt have enough speed to cope at world level and lacks the dedication needed to go to the top.



You have fuck all knowledge regarding the dedication of any of these fighters.

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree.

There are a fair few that could get to WBO level and have a decent run.

However - I'd rather they go for the proper titles, WBC & IBF, rather than simply cherrypicking.

It isn't as if the IBF serve up quality mandatories either, most of them are crap!

[noonan]

Lmao He is a Pikey after all!!!

I hope He dont catch up with you.....

For every action, there is a reaction. And a Pikey reaction... is quite a fucking thing.

[kosaros]

Frankie Gavin - Lacks the dedicatoion needed to go forfill his potential. Will not go beyind British level. Lack of power is a problem.


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[robpalmer135]

You have fuck all knowledge regarding the dedication of any of these fighters.

the history of boxing will tell you there 1000s of promising gypsey amateurs that never make it as a pro because as soon as they get a bit of cash they just hit the pubs.

Chisora has tits and had to bite his last opponent to keep himself out of trouble.

Fury - Gypo

Saunders - The guy is coming in 15lbs overweight already and he is 18 years old.

Gavin - Plenty of brummys on here will tell you he is always on the piss. Ive seen his facebook and he is always being tagged in photos on nights out with pints in his hand. Also he failed to make weight for the olympics and many have said its due to his bad lifestyle which will only get worse now that he has money in his pocket.

Broadhurst - He always looks like he is carrying weight. Also seen his facebook and he is always out in the piss.

btw i think saunders couldnt certainly be a world champion at welterweight or light middle.

[antcull]

Ill give you Chisora....he is just a fat lad.

Sterotyping all 'gypos' as not having dedication is pathetic and you have no clue what your talking about, I'm unaware of these 1000's of gypo amateurs who could have mase it, you should be able to name loads if there are 1000s....you do not know Fury or BJS personally and you have no idea of their dedication to the sport. Saunders is not a WW.....He is 20 years old and still growing....you are not a fully developed man by the time you hit 20 and I think he will be fine at middleweight.

So Gavin and Broadhurst go out on the piss and you say they will never have the dedication to make it? Try looking at the guy in your avatar.....He was probably living it up in London twice as much as Frankie and Broadhurst do currently and I think he did alright for himself....

Again, you know shit all about the dedication of these fighters, your just making assumptions on bloody facebook pages

[robpalmer135]

name the last gypsy to be a world champion???

name the last gypsy that hasn't been in a boxing ring???

[kosaros]

:pop

[antcull]

name the last gypsy to be a world champion???

name the last gypsy that hasn't been in a boxing ring???

:lol: What kind of cop out is that........

You were the one who referred to all these promising Gypsy amateurs that didnt make it.

And yes alot of Gypsys fight eachother in nothing more then a bloody 'street-brawl' that happens to take place in a ring.

Is that what you consider a promising amateur record? :rofl Beating up other Gypsys.........Your full of shit.

Yeah the real reason Gypsy fighting champs havent become world champs is all to do with dedication....nothing to do with boxing skill :patsch

[robpalmer135]

Floyd Mayweather will tell you he wins his fights in the gym. Dedication............hard work............dedication............hard work. did you not learn anyhting from 24/7. go to any trainer in the country and they will tell you they have had a number of promising gypsy kids come through there doors that have all fallon by the way side. i seem to remember buncey saying something simular when BJS turned pro.

Saunders being 18 is no exsuse for weighing 160+ and he is carrying. Look at Stephen Smith and George Groves who are simular ages. I am going to start betting on Saunders loosing by KO.

the difference between Haye and Gavin/Broadhurst is that Haye has always come across as a very clever guy, i do not get the same impression from gavin and broadhurst.

you can make an assumption on someones facebook page if every other day they update there status saying "hungover" or "whos up for pub tonight" and there always photos of them with beer in there hand. Groves and Smiths has photos pf them sparring.

all the fighters i have mentioned as lacking dedication have 2 things in common, they have all had there dedication questioned in the past, and none of them are going to win 6 pack of the year anytime soon.

[Dan684]

:pop

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:lol:

[robpalmer135]

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[antcull]

Floyd Mayweather will tell you he wins his fights in the gym. Dedication............hard work............dedication............hard work. did you not learn anyhting from 24/7. go to any trainer in the country and they will tell you they have had a number of promising gypsy kids come through there doors that have all fallon by the way side. i seem to remember buncey saying something simular when BJS turned pro.

Saunders being 18 is no exsuse for weighing 160+ and he is carrying. Look at Stephen Smith and George Groves who are simular ages. I am going to start betting on Saunders loosing by KO.

the difference between Haye and Gavin/Broadhurst is that Haye has always come across as a very clever guy, i do not get the same impression from gavin and broadhurst.

you can make an assumption on someones facebook page if every other day they update there status saying "hungover" or "whos up for pub tonight" and there always photos of them with beer in there hand. Groves and Smiths has photos pf them sparring.

all the fighters i have mentioned as lacking dedication have 2 things in common, they have all had there dedication questioned in the past, and none of them are going to win 6 pack of the year anytime soon.

Why you spouting shit about what Floyd Mayweather would tell me? When did I ever say you dont require hard work and dedication? This is about you proclaiming to know about all these fighters dedication when you know shit. Yeah go to any trainer in the country and they will tell you they have had a number of promising white/black/asian/welsh/scottish etc. kids come through there doors that have all fallen by the way side. Their kids, it happens! Not just because they are gypsys.

Saunders is 20, not 18 and is still growing....he is fine for a MW as he continues to grows...nearly every prospect fights a couple pounds above their weight class at the start of their career...Tony Bellew fought at 185 a few fights ago :scaredas: No dedication huh?

I dont stalk boxers on facebook and check their status updates all the time so i dont know about their habits but I pretty guarantee your over exaggerating saying every other day they post shit like 'im hungover'....

These are all just crap assumptions by you, you know sweet fuck all about any of the fighters in question.

[antcull]

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Calzaghe has a shit six pack.....no dedication :-(

[Leighton T]

No one hasn't mentioned Paul McClosky... i believe he is a world class operator!!! What about Anthony Small??

[slip&counter]

sorry non of those will go beyond Euro level

[WATERBOY]

This is based on what I have seen on them inside the ring and what i have heard from trainers, experts, people on here that know them and what I have seen of them myself.


Light Welterweight

Frankie Gavin - Lacks the dedicatoion needed to go forfill his potential. Will not go beyind British level. Lack of power is a problem.



mate frankie is extremly dedicated u cant get to world level without dedication if you want to see how dedicated he is come down to my brothers gym frankie is extremly hard trainer and probably the most talented boxer britain has probably ever has you will all see that in the years to come so please back up what you say before talkin shit!

[WATERBOY]

Gavin - Plenty of brummys on here will tell you he is always on the piss. Ive seen his facebook and he is always being tagged in photos on nights out with pints in his hand. Also he failed to make weight for the olympics and many have said its due to his bad lifestyle which will only get worse now that he has money in his pocket.



the olympics you know something about the olympics the made frankie and other boxers survive on gummy bears to make weightif frankie did manage to make weight god knows what would of happened to him, frankie is a big lad he cant make that weight now and he has more time in the pros, and he doesn't drink when he's out unless its after a fight and whats wrong with that?

[robpalmer135]

the olympics you know something about the olympics the made frankie and other boxers survive on gummy bears to make weightif frankie did manage to make weight god knows what would of happened to him, frankie is a big lad he cant make that weight now and he has more time in the pros, and he doesn't drink when he's out unless its after a fight and whats wrong with that?

i think you protest to much.

Ricky Hatton is a one off. Hes not an example to be followed. i have heard from people i trust that he was drinking pints 6 weeks before the olympics.

for me he doesnt look strong at light welter when you look at the domestic fighters at that weight.

i hope im wrong but ive heard so much bad stuff about this guy.

[robpalmer135]

am i not allowed to voice an opinion without a trainer coming on and saying there fighter is the best in the country or world. its becoming a joke.

this is a boxing forum not sky sports. you can critisise. i am sure some of these guys train hard they can go 4 rounds plus after all which is seriously tough. but theres a difference between training and boxing training.

[icemax]

He is a pikey after all.


Will you stop this shit...you wouldn't call Mayweather a n****r or Khan a P**i, so why do you feel it's acceptable to call Fury a pikey and start with all the stereotype fucking shit, it gets really old very quickly. Say it to his face, (or mine) or shut the fuck up :deal:thumbsup

[Tony Bellew]

Will you stop this shit...you wouldn't call Mayweather a n****r or Khan a P**i, so why do you feel it's acceptable to call Fury a pikey and start with all the stereotype fucking shit, it gets really old very quickly. Say it to his face, (or mine) or shut the fuck up :deal:thumbsup


That's a very fair comment...

[Tony Bellew]

As for peoples comments on Frankie, Guys your gonna be proved wrong, Frankie is the mosst talented fighter I know, I've trained with some top fighters too.. How could anyone say he ain't dedicated??

The guy moved away from all the distractions in Birmingham and moved to Manchester to progress his boxing career, He leaves his little boy behind most weeks and lives in a flat by himself and trains with myself and believe me you are all welocome to come to the gym and watch how we train. Frankie is a super dedicated kid who is getting better everytime he laceson gloves. I was saying before he even went pro so it ain't a baised thing..:good

As for someone saying I weighed in at 185 I did on the night of the fight BUT the day before at the weigh in I was 175 exactly..;) I do 12st 7 and will remain at this weight for as long as possible. Everyone is entitled to an opinion so I don't call people for voicing it BUT believe me guys Frankie Gavin is a dedicated athlete and a future world champion, Remember BRITIANS ONLY EVER WORLD AMATEUR CHAMPION:good

[kosaros]

Will you stop this shit...you wouldn't call Mayweather a n****r or Khan a P**i, so why do you feel it's acceptable to call Fury a pikey and start with all the stereotype fucking shit, it gets really old very quickly. Say it to his face, (or mine) or shut the fuck up :deal:thumbsup

:clap::hail

[DOM5153]

you missed ASHLEY SEXTON off the list

[antcull]

As for someone saying I weighed in at 185 I did on the night of the fight BUT the day before at the weigh in I was 175 exactly..;) I do 12st 7 and will remain at this weight for as long as possible. Everyone is entitled to an opinion so I don't call people for voicing it BUT believe me guys Frankie Gavin is a dedicated athlete and a future world champion, Remember BRITIANS ONLY EVER WORLD AMATEUR CHAMPION:good

Haha sorry mate, I wasn't saying nothing about your dedication I was trying to make a point about prospects fighting a few pounds above their ideal weight in earlier fights and I saw the Tony Bellew thread so you were the first prospect who came into my head :good

Rob was just making some ridicolous comments IMO

[robpalmer135]

there not ridiclious if other people have made them previosuly.

[Northern Ninja]

Just covering the lads mentioned in the original post, and keeping my comments brief:

Derek Chisora - Sucks more cock than a £2 prozzie.

Tyson Fury - I still think he's got a lot of learning to do but has the potential to succeed at British and European level.

Tony Bellew - I like his attitude, he'll definately win a British title but I see him being similar to Steve Foster Snr at world level, he'll always be competetive but might fall just short. (No offence if you're reading this)

Goerge Groves - Needs to calm his style down a touch and keep his hands up. British level.

James Degale - I think he's underrated, which is an odd thing for an Olympic gold medalist. I think he's got bags of potential, I think he'll bag a WBO title and make a few defences.

Tony Jeffries - Enjoyable to watch but isn't hard to catch clean and is very rough around the edges. Brit/Euro level.

Billy Joe Saunders - I think he's the pick of the Olympians. I really think he could go a long way.

Kell Brook - World champ. He sometimes leaves his chin up but apart from that, looks to be the complete article.

John O'Donnell - British level. Decent fighter and a nice lad but he's miles away from world level.

Jamie Cox - Very very raw. He needs someone to give him a good slap and tell him he's not going to achieve anything with the attitude he's got at the minute. Has the potential to go far but he'll only get there if he listens to what people are telling him.

Frankie Gavin - Quality skills but lacks power. He can succeed at world level but will have to be prepared to go the full twelve rounds a lot to do so.

[nufc16]

Derek Chisora? - Domestic maybe fringe european class.

Tyson Fury? - on the evidence of the mcdermott fight, strictly domestic, but hopefully he'll learn and i think the mcdermotts style was all wrong for him. hard to say, but his lack of real power will probably keep him fringe european class unless it develops.

Tony Bellew? - not really seen enough

Goerge Groves? - looked great so far, but far too early to tell

James Degale? - not looked as good as groves, but still too early to tell.

Tony Jeffries? - as above

Billy Joe Saunders? - as above

Kell Brook? - needs a tough fight to see what he's like under pressure and how hie chin holds up. he has the skills and power to compete at world level, but needs tougher fights.

John O'Donnell? - lacks power and i think he'll come apart against guys that can walk through his combos and back him up. as watson did for alot of their fight. probably good enough for european level contention at some point though.

Jamie Cox? - guy needs to channel all that aggression or its going to cost him as it almost did against lloyd. he nearly lost that fight when he should and could be winning every round and stopping the guy. have alot of faith in him, think he's european level at least

Frankie Gavin? - as i said about the other olympians, but the skillset and ring craft he showed in the amateurs means he's almost certain to go beyond domestic level, but the chin and power factor as always need to be proven before we can say if he can reach the top like he did in the ams. good chin and half decent power and he can challenge for world honours eventually

[Mandanda]

Derek Chisora? At his level now. He may win a British Title but that's all i see him winning. He may get to fight for European Title but he would have to fight a stiff to win it imo.

Tyson Fury? Atm i feel he has the abilty to go far but really he needs to improve and take more time in gym and get a better trainer. At this time i will say maybe European Level. He's a really hard one to predict because we don't know the future in terms of his trainer and match making.

Tony Bellew? I have to see more. I liked what i saw in the Sparring. He sounds a banger and a lad with a good head.

George Groves? I say European Level...he may pick up a Alphabet strap depending on the strength of the division. Atm he has a long way to go but does have ability.

James Degale? I see him lifting a world title. I'm a firm beliver in skills pay bills and James does have this. He showing all the right signs training wise. I like to see him with a trainer that suits his style but i think so far he's improved from his first fight and i think his defence and counter punching will be highly effective in higher league.

Tony Jeffries? A British title is something he can grab. I think European level is his limit. I don't think he has the ability to step beyond that. I haven't been impressed with him since his first fight.

Billy Joe Saunders? I don't like his style i worry he's very young and i feel he's stays to close to fighters and will ship punishment and end up in wars. His weight is a issue as well i agree with Rob on that. He does have ability but i got a feeling he could get in a scrap against a decent campaigner around his 16-17th fight and get stopped in a war.

Kell Brook? I like Kell. He's a big punching and straight talking. This Jennings fight will tell us bundles about him. Atm his recent list of opponents hasn't impressed me but he has to beat what's in front of him. I think he can go onto win a World Title but i don't see him going p4p as he will struggle with the more tactically complete and fundamentally strong fighters.

John O'Donnell? He has all the attributes in the world to be a class act and be very exciting but attributes and talent have to be used wisely and he doesn't do what i like him to do. He looks awkward and causes himself more trouble by thinking he's awkward. I like to see him use the jab more and move his head as well. He wont go much beyond European. Again he has talent but the way he is fighting he have to fight a stiff or shot fighter to win a European title.

Jamie Cox? I like the look of him but has shown a nasty streak that could be detrimental towards him in bigger fights. He has a bit about him and with the right development and match making he could be a talent but he needs to be fighting better standard then he is now. I think the worry is he struggled in a fight recently most top prospects would win with ease.

Frankie Gavin? I think his last display he improved. He does a few things that leave me rather uneasy about him technically. He needs to losen up and use the feints as he did. I think he will win a European Title and maybe win a WBO title or WBA if well matched.

[Mazallan]

I am with Rob on the gypo front.

[robpalmer135]

Michael McGuire was one of the top amateurs people predicted big things for him.

Now he has quit boxing and apparently got into a street fight at the weekend.

Top quality amateur gypsy thats gone of the rails with money in his pocket.

[Tony Bellew]

Guys I don't take offence to what's being said especially about the weight issue pal.Everyone is entitled to there opinion all im trying to do is Just give you all an insight into the going's on in pro boxing,

I wanted to let you know also that it's all a front with Frankie, The funtime stuff!! He is a lunatic and the funniest kid your likely to ever meet BUT he is also very dedicated and works very hard which I think he's proved by moving away from Birmingham to live in Manchester!!

People can say anything they want about facebook pictures and other stuff but at the end of the day the facts speak for themselves, he's the ONLY ever world am champion from these shores and is also 3-0 as a pro and has advanced in everyone of his fights!! He looks super fit everytime he boxes and fights at a very high pace too, Hardly the signs of a piss artist if you ask me..:good;):good

[robpalmer135]

Gavin, DeGale and Suanders are all moving to 6 rounders for there next fights. good to see.

The facts are these. If Gavin works as hard as he should, he can go to the very top. If he doesn't then thats his issue. Lets hope that I am wrong.

Tony I don't think anyone was slagging you off about weight they were jsut saying that its common for prospects to come in above there weight category until they get to title fights.

Whats your opinion on the other fighters they have been mentioned. Obviously you look at Clev as a big fight but do you see Groves and Jeffries being big fights at light heavy in teh future, whats your thoughts on them?

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[Tony Bellew]

Gavin, DeGale and Suanders are all moving to 6 rounders for there next fights. good to see.

The facts are these. If Gavin works as hard as he should, he can go to the very top. If he doesn't then thats his issue. Lets hope that I am wrong.

Tony I don't think anyone was slagging you off about weight they were jsut saying that its common for prospects to come in above there weight category until they get to title fights.

Whats your opinion on the other fighters they have been mentioned. Obviously you look at Clev as a big fight but do you see Groves and Jeffries being big fights at light heavy in teh future, whats your thoughts on them?

Mate I didn't think you were slagging me off over the weight, I was just explaning that I was 175 the day before..;)

As for Groves and Jeffries I rate them both, Groves has definitly improved since going pro! Jeffries and me were friends from are England days so I know what he is capable of and rate him. If the matches were made in the future I'd take them BUT for now there 12st fighters an Im strictly a 12st 7pd fighter to be honest..:good

[Tony Bellew]

Michael McGuire was one of the top amateurs people predicted big things for him.

Now he has quit boxing and apparently got into a street fight at the weekend.

Top quality amateur gypsy thats gone of the rails with money in his pocket.


I stated this about this kid before he turned over!! Super talent but can't live the life!! I've seen it with me own eyes that's why I say it..:-(

[robpalmer135]

Mate I didn't think you were slagging me off over the weight, I was just explaning that I was 175 the day before..;)

As for Groves and Jeffries I rate them both, Groves has definitly improved since going pro! Jeffries and me were friends from are England days so I know what he is capable of and rate him. If the matches were made in the future I'd take them BUT for now there 12st fighters an Im strictly a 12st 7pd fighter to be honest..:good


nice one.