View Full Version : Brit Forum: Now that the dust has settled, what did you think and what next?
Losfer_Words
09-20-2009, 02:29 PM
As expected, the PBF-JMM fight turned out exactly as we all thought it would and the outcome and manner of the victory was no real suprise. The general are all bitching about the performance right now but I really enjoyed watching PBF showcase his skills again albeit beating up on my fave fighter:-(.
So, what did you think of the performances and also what's next, in your opinion, for both fighters? Personally, I'd like to see JMM go back to 135 and dominate once again- it would be a shame if he (and us fans) never gets Pacquiao III now, though:conf. I'd also like to see PBF fight Mosley and then take on the winner of Cotto-Pacquiao. Maybe a bit outlandish but it's what I'd like to happen.
What do you think?:good
(There have been plenty of comments on Sky's performance again so no need to state the obvious again! Also, I thought Kellerman's interview was brilliant viewing and, because of that, he should stay on HBO, IMO!)
kosaros
09-20-2009, 02:31 PM
Floyd vs Mosley :deal
Marquez should go back down to 135 as you say, or fight Hatton at 140 - get another big pay-day for himself, which is what he deserves :good
Dan684
09-20-2009, 02:32 PM
Floyd to go for Mosely. Pacquiao after that.
Sky to have a complete reshuffle and HBO to fuck off Kellerman.
Laurent Robert
09-20-2009, 02:33 PM
Floyd to go for Mosely. Pacquiao after that.
Sky to have a complete reshuffle and HBO to fuck off Kellerman.
This
stork
09-20-2009, 02:39 PM
Floyd to fight mosely then pac/cotto winner
Marquez back down to lightweight to finish cleaning out the division ( Valero, Kahn maybe) Then if things unfold well Pac III at LWW.
capital punishment to be reinstated to deal with the Sky crew
safc1990
09-20-2009, 02:42 PM
Floyd to fight Mosley then Cotto
Think Marquez will face off with Katsidis next, what a bloodbath that would be, Mayweather-Gatti all over again then we'll see what happens after that.
threethirteen
09-20-2009, 02:46 PM
Floyd to take on a genuine welterweight - so either Cotto or Mosley. I wouldn't complain at Williams but that will never ever happen.
If not, I want the Pacqaio fight next. JMM needs to move down to LW or retire.
mike464
09-20-2009, 02:51 PM
I thought Floyd was just too big for him although that was the genreal opinion before the fight. To be honest I wasn't that impressed - I expected Floyd to stop Marquez but he couldn't land more than one punch at a time. He seemed to knock him down by accident.
Mayweather is very careful in who he picks to fight. I'm not so sure he will fight Mosley next although it's certainly more likely than Pacquiao.
As for the broadcast, I'm usually a fan of Jonny Nelson but he was doing my head in last night. Before the fight he referred to Floyd as the world's number 1 pound for pound then after the fight said that Floyd had just beaten the P4P number 1. I get the feeling that in a couple of months when it's Pac Vs Cotto he'll say Pacquiao is P4P #1.
brown bomber
09-20-2009, 02:52 PM
Anyone want to e-mail SKy about there shit presentation and commentary, while thanking them for actually showing US boxing for once.
threethirteen
09-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Nelson is crazy. Very amusing, but crazy. Nothing he says makes much sense - he's like Eubank for that at times.
Grant1
09-20-2009, 02:54 PM
Floyd to go for Mosely. Pacquiao after that.
Sky to have a complete reshuffle and HBO to fuck off Kellerman.
Dan is the man. This.
stork
09-20-2009, 02:56 PM
Anyone want to e-mail SKy about there shit presentation and commentary, while thanking them for actually showing US boxing for once.
i think i will do this.
kosaros
09-20-2009, 02:56 PM
I thought Floyd was just too big for him although that was the genreal opinion before the fight. To be honest I wasn't that impressed - I expected Floyd to stop Marquez but he couldn't land more than one punch at a time. He seemed to knock him down by accident.
Mayweather is very careful in who he picks to fight. I'm not so sure he will fight Mosley next although it's certainly more likely than Pacquiao.
As for the broadcast, I'm usually a fan of Jonny Nelson but he was doing my head in last night. Before the fight he referred to Floyd as the world's number 1 pound for pound then after the fight said that Floyd had just beaten the P4P number 1. I get the feeling that in a couple of months when it's Pac Vs Cotto he'll say Pacquiao is P4P #1.
No way - Mayweather is now the greatest of all time according to Nelson :nut
Evil Rich
09-20-2009, 03:05 PM
I want Pac-Mayweather straight after Cotto - Pacquiao, I want the fight sooner than later even though I like Mosley, having to wait potentially another year for this fight does not fill me with excitement.
As for the JMM/PBF fight, I really enjoyed it and it was the first time I've seen a fight in HD (we recently got Sky+ HD), I don't give a flying fuck about the interviewers being "rude", "bias", from Watt to Kellerman, I enjoyed a great boxing display from Floyd and just as Andy Gray in football, I've learnt to filter out the shit.
El Cepillo
09-20-2009, 03:06 PM
Now that the dust has settled.....I feel a bit naive for thinking weight wasn't going to be that important, and it was going to be a competitive fight....
"It's a Welterweight vs. a Lightweight" - just kept running through my head when I was watching the fight.
I think Pac will lose to Cotto, and so a rubber match with JMM is on the cards (which is the fight I really want to see), which sets up Cotto-Mayweather nicely, and obviously Mayweather-Mosley could well happen (Cotto has more options than Mosley at this stage).
It wouldn't surprise me if FMJ decided to re-match Hatton or DLH though :lol:
bored
09-20-2009, 03:07 PM
I was glad to see it for free for a start.
Floyd was brilliant. Let him step it up now, he only wants big money fights but looking around that could be a struggle for the lad, the only fight which will do massive numbers right now is Pacquiao, after that where does he go? I know Mosley is there but from Mayweather's perspective it's high risk, low reward. Does he have a 6 fight contract or something though? If he does that then he can't get away with choosing easy fights.
Fact is Pacquiao-Mayweather would be huge. Although I still think Cotto beats Pac so it might not happen.
Be interesting to see how the numbers stack up against UFC, I train MMA so all my mates were round watching it and I sky+d this but I know personally I would have bought the Mayweather PPV, a big fight in boxing just has something much more special about it.
Sky need Bunce, Kerr and some other fresh faces in. I hope did good figures because it would show boxing can still attract an audience if promoted properly.
safc1990
09-20-2009, 03:07 PM
No way - Mayweather is now the greatest of all time according to Nelson :nut
He never said that did he?
According to my Dad's mate who saw the HBO coverage Lampley was implying that Katsidis would have caused problems for the lightweight Floyd. :lol::patsch
Great performance by Mayweather, amazing but still unsurpising given his gym dedication. Definitely hasn't lost a step and will only get better as he gets sharper. I think the rest has refreshed him and helped heal his injuries rather than hinder him.
As for Marquez, he looked bloated, slow, lacking sharpness. It's really not his weight at all. He's not a guy like Pacquiao, he hasn't got the same fast twitch muscles. He's just not that explosive guy that can keep going up in weight, past his peak weight. Lightweight and maybe 140lbs is his limit.
Marquez should go back to 135lbs and fight Valero or Guzman, or Tim Bradley at 140 would be a solid fight. Plenty of options, I don't think last night will harm him too much. He got outclassed, but it shouldn't have any major effects on him in the future.
Mayweather should fight the winner of Cotto/Pacquiao, simple as that. That makes the most sense on every level, its the best fight and makes the most money, there is no reason for it not to happen and every reason for it to happen.
Evil Rich
09-20-2009, 03:11 PM
He never said that did he?
According to my Dad's mate who saw the HBO coverage Lampley was implying that Katsidis would have caused problems for the lightweight Floyd. :lol::patsch
To my ultimate shame when JMM had PBF on the ropes I was thinking to myself who the fuck can trouble PBF style wise, Katsidis popped to mind because JMM sort of had to go head down and just fire shots to hit those shots to the chest. Then my sanity returned and I realised PBF would murder him with that basic style.
El Cepillo
09-20-2009, 03:13 PM
Mayweather should fight Mosley next, and then the winner of Cotto/Pacquaio.
Dan684
09-20-2009, 03:13 PM
TFFP - There is one reason for it not to happen. That reason has the surname.....................Arum
TFFP - There is one reason for it not to happen. That reason has the surname.....................Arum
He isn't a good reason and won't be able to stop it if both want it. Arum will come to his senses when he gets over his initial arrogance and the forces of TV, fans and the money he stands to make conspire against him. There are no fights that make anywhere near as much sense.
gasman
09-20-2009, 03:20 PM
Yep, it looked like a lightweight v welterweight. As soon as Marquez tasted Mayweathers power he was very cautious, not his usual all action self. I was shocked that I didnt see any of Marquez (that I can recall anyway) 3 or 4 punch combos - partly because Mayweathers was too evasive and maybe he didnt have the confidence due to Mayweathers size???
I would love to see Katsidis v Marquez and Mayweather v Mosely
I don't think he had the confidence because everytime he set his feet to punch he got hit. Kinda like Pavlik against Hopkins.
Dan684
09-20-2009, 03:25 PM
I agree but Arum and Floyd genuinely dont like each other. Arum has already stated that he will not give Floyd a 50/50 split. Also Manny seems to buy into it too. Not saying he isn't worthy of the recognition he is getting as he surely is. My worry though is that he is on the verge of becoming a bit of a prima donna.
He was trying to demand more than originally contracted from the Hatton fight and now the demands on the Cotto situation too. Couple this with the comments from Arum then I do have my doubts whether it will go ahead !
I sincerely hope your right though
That's what I mean, its more the fighters than Arum that have to come to agreement. They are obviously two fairly big egos at the negotiating table. But you know, if Pac comes up and says he accepts 55-45 what is Arum going to do about it? He's making more than he would if Pacquiao was fighting anybody else, by an absolute landslide, because he receives a %. TV would be right behind it putting on pressure, the fans definitely want it more than any other fight.
I think it would be more likely Pacquiao would buckle and accept something lower too, he really wants to fight Mayweather, so does Roach. But either way, Mayweather is going to have to man up and fight either Mosley or Pacquiao/Cotto, fighters he hasn't exactly been eager to face. Don't see any other fights for him...
But this is getting ahead of ourselves of course, Pac has a huge job on his hands as it is.
Dan684
09-20-2009, 03:34 PM
Yep spot on. I however think that Pac will beat Cotto comfortably.
Its daft really. Wouldn't it be refreshing to see either one of the fighters come out and just say "I will take 50% all in, TV, revenue, purse etc etc"
Straight down the line. Undoubtedly the 2 best in the fighters in the world, not being greedy just wanting to get it on. Not happening but would be nice !
Absolutely, and from where I'm sitting 50/50 is pretty much fair. Problem is egos, and you'll always get one (likely Mayweather) saying he brings in far more money.
Which may well be correct, but also forgets that the fight as a package is what sells.
Beeston Brawler
09-20-2009, 03:41 PM
I just wanna see a Roach fighter get beat.... so get it on!
Dan684
09-20-2009, 03:41 PM
Yep. Also with the revenue from the Phillipines it would be totally justifiable to think that Pac generates more money. His fans are pure die-harders too :good
enjoyed pbf's performance - he's still the most talented fighter out there today.
i think this fight was always going to be a warm up for the winner of cotto-pac. either of these guys will provide the biggest available pay deal for floyd, and we know that will motivate him more than a possibly tougher fight against mosley.
jmm to return to lightweight if he can.
trotter
09-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Absolutely, and from where I'm sitting 50/50 is pretty much fair. Problem is egos, and you'll always get one (likely Mayweather) saying he brings in far more money.
Which may well be correct, but also forgets that the fight as a package is what sells.
Pac is an utter cunt at the negotiating table too
In fact Floyd probably isn't that tough a negotiator, Oscar worked him over before they fought if I rememer rightly, Floyd is one of those guys who talks 'money' and 'business' and all this shit but will be bankrupt in ten years time
Losfer_Words
09-21-2009, 07:39 AM
This is why I prefer doing threads like this on the Brit forum as opposed to the general. Some good comments, fellas. Thanks, I was just interested if everyone was thinking along the same lines:good.
Evil Rich
09-21-2009, 07:54 AM
This is why I prefer doing threads like this on the Brit forum as opposed to the general. Some good comments, fellas. Thanks, I was just interested if everyone was thinking along the same lines:good.
I went on to the general forum first to make a post about how well PBF performed on the night and then quickly realised my mistake and came back here. Those guys are nuts.
stork
09-21-2009, 08:03 AM
I went on to the general forum first to make a post about how well PBF performed on the night and then quickly realised my mistake and came back here. Those guys are nuts.
Theres absoulutely nothing you can say about floyd on general without being shot down. I've never seen a boxer who creates such extreme hugging and hating.
Evil Rich
09-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Theres absoulutely nothing you can say about floyd on general without being shot down. I've never seen a boxer who creates such extreme hugging and hating.
Pacquiao comes close and Miguel Cotto gets an honourable third place. Nature of the beast I am afraid, I am just glad there are some down to Earth people in this forum and not a lot of idiots to dilute the intelligent posters messages.
icemax
09-21-2009, 09:14 AM
Theres absoulutely nothing you can say about floyd on general without being shot down. I've never seen a boxer who creates such extreme hugging and hating.
I've just been on general and some of the threads are absolutely amazing
Lee Mc
09-21-2009, 09:17 AM
Mayweather vs Mosely - I just want to see SSM getting one last great fight.
Marquez - Retirement. He has done everything that he possibly could with his career and the thing that has kept him motivated for the last 5 years, a win over Pacquaio, is never going to happen.
ScouseLad
09-21-2009, 09:33 AM
The general is scary!
"Ivan Calderon v Vitali Klitschko, who wins and why?"
"LOL Froch will be EXPOSED!!!"
"Gayweather IS a PUSSY"
"Fraud Mayweather DUCKING Mosley"
"David Haye is all mouth"
"September GLASS JAW rankings"
There is some good stuff, but its hard to find!
I enjoyed seeing Floyd again, was gutted when he went but kind of always knew he'd be back. He showed his genius again and you just have to sit and watch in awe at what he does. He is incredible. Same names for me, Mosley, Cotto, Pac etc. Mosley will be "finished" once he beats him though, Pac "to small" and Cotto "done". The bottom line is he's just to good for them all. Paul Williams would be very very interesting but cant see that one ever happening.
Theres plenty for JMM to still do, a few decent potential fights out there from 135-140, maybe Diaz again? Guzman, Khan? Nate, Bradley, Katsidis, wouldnt surprise me to see him v Hatton though I dont have much interest in it. JMM is still a great and I hope that isnt forgotten just because of saturday night. I just hope he's alright after it, Jim Watt mentioned about 100 times how "it wasnt a brutal fight so he'll be fine" but im not sure, he might be ok physically but mentally a one sided 12 rounder cant be good.
icemax
09-21-2009, 09:38 AM
....wouldnt surprise me to see him v Hatton though I dont have much interest in it.
I can honestly see this happening--City of Manchester, last hurrah--, and I would go just to see JMM
Great performance from Floyd, absolutely punch perfect. Now he only has two options IMO, Mosely or the winner of Cotto-Pac. I'd love to see either of those fights though I think the Mosely one should be made first for around February, March.
Marquez still has few fights left and has a lot of options. If he goes back to LW he's got Katsidis, Valero and the winner of Guzman-Funeka.
He can also go upto 140 and attempt to be the first Mexican to win world titles in 4 weight classes. I'd like a Bradley fight though maybe he could fight Hatton first in a 'tune-up' at the weight (;)).
Of course many cynics would see at JMM-Hatton fight as a matchup between Floyds and Pac's leftovers but it's still a solid fight IMO.
stork
09-21-2009, 12:55 PM
The general is scary!
"Ivan Calderon v Vitali Klitschko, who wins and why?"
"LOL Froch will be EXPOSED!!!"
"Gayweather IS a PUSSY"
"Fraud Mayweather DUCKING Mosley"
"David Haye is all mouth"
"September GLASS JAW rankings"
There is some good stuff, but its hard to find!
I enjoyed seeing Floyd again, was gutted when he went but kind of always knew he'd be back. He showed his genius again and you just have to sit and watch in awe at what he does. He is incredible. Same names for me, Mosley, Cotto, Pac etc. Mosley will be "finished" once he beats him though, Pac "to small" and Cotto "done". The bottom line is he's just to good for them all. Paul Williams would be very very interesting but cant see that one ever happening.
Theres plenty for JMM to still do, a few decent potential fights out there from 135-140, maybe Diaz again? Guzman, Khan? Nate, Bradley, Katsidis, wouldnt surprise me to see him v Hatton though I dont have much interest in it. JMM is still a great and I hope that isnt forgotten just because of saturday night. I just hope he's alright after it, Jim Watt mentioned about 100 times how "it wasnt a brutal fight so he'll be fine" but im not sure, he might be ok physically but mentally a one sided 12 rounder cant be good.
That does seem to be the general trend. Plus any thread with a decent name has and possibly a reasonable opening post always has some agenda involved with it.
Darni187
09-21-2009, 01:52 PM
Floyd reminded us why he was P4P No.1 when he retired his speed, timing, accuracy, footwork, jab, defence and power, were all outstanding after nearly two years out of the ring. I have never seen JMM outclassed like that, the fact the size was a major factor is the only reason which took some of the shine away from the win.
JMM can drop down to 135 where I feel he would do is best work, but now after this defeat and a good payday and with his age at 35 maybe JMM has not got many fights left in him.
Floyd on the other hand should fight Mosely or the winner of Manny and Cotto other fights would be point less for him right now because people want him fight guys his own size or freak man Pacman where size does not count ask ODH and Hatton.
Boro chris
09-21-2009, 01:59 PM
The general is scary!
"Ivan Calderon v Vitali Klitschko, who wins and why?"
"LOL Froch will be EXPOSED!!!"
"Gayweather IS a PUSSY"
"Fraud Mayweather DUCKING Mosley"
"David Haye is all mouth"
"September GLASS JAW rankings"
There is some good stuff, but its hard to find!
:D Posters in the GF are like a cross between noisy toddlers and piranhas.
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