Is this the End of Boxing.

[BoppaZoo]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.

[geppy]

Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto are throw back fighters.

Hatton's style is not that bad, he lands a lot of big punches then holds. Better than running, at least Hatton does damage as seen by his brutal body shot he landed on Castillo and stopping Tszyu.

[boxingcar]

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

.

stop living with the past. we're in 2007. Boxing is international now.
No more USA vs USA only.

[Lar Janus]

I like Ricky Hatton, think he's a stand-up guy, trains his ass off, shows much love to his fans, is pretty clever, and respectful. That said, its hard to overlook his grappling style of boxing (in his two biggest fights, KT & JLC) and the FACT that he's gotten favorable treatment from the refs in BOTH of the above-mentioned fights.

I was VERY disappointed w/last night's fight! JLC looked a little wobbly, the first couple of rounds, but when he DOES start working his way into the fight, in the third, Joe "I'm fair but firm" [BULLSHIT!] Cortez--after having said in front of EVERYONE that Hatton's shorts were high--starts warning JLC for phantom low blows! There were shades of Manchester and KT, when Hatton looked over at Cortez, after getting hit with a shot clearly NOT low, as if to say, "Hey, mate, you're not gonna let him hit me with body shots, are you?" . Then, at the beginning of the fourth he IMMEDIATELY deducts a point for a shot that wasn't even close to being low! Hatton, meanwhile, contrary to BOXING rules, uses non-stop grappling to maul JLC--with ZERO warnings from Joe "I'm a tool" Cortez. So, we have a fight where one fighter (JLC) is not allowed to throw body-shots, while the other can hold/hit, at will.

I think JLC knew the 'fix' was in, and that he was gonna get DQ'd, if he tried to work the body--which HAD to be a big part of his game plan. I believe Hatton landed a great body shot, but that JLC just stayed down. I hate to see that, and even SAY it, but the bias was unmistakable. Boxing is getting to be as bad as pro-wrestling. It's getting harder and harder to support it, and I've lost a TON of respect (like it HAD much left, anyways!) for the sport with shit like PBF/DLH, Spinks/JT, and, now, Hatton/JLC.

For the Hatton fans: again, don't get me wrong, nothing against Hatton--he's just maximizing the advantages he's being given--he's a class act, outside the ring, and does what he has to, to win, inside. Its just a side effect of the crookedness of the sanctioning bodies, networks, promoters, judges, and referees--that have become the norm in boxing.

[PowerPuncher]

stop living with the past. we're in 2007. Boxing is international now.
No more USA vs USA only.

Since when were Duran, Chavez, Nelson from the USA?

[sues2nd]

stop living with the past. we're in 2007. Boxing is international now.
No more USA vs USA only.

And the poster is from Australia???

[BoppaZoo]

stop living with the past. we're in 2007. Boxing is international now.
No more USA vs USA only.yeah well if i was living in the past i would only be able to watch such guys like
The 80's only had boring fighters like
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Tommie Hearns
Mike Tsyon
Marvin Hagler
Julio C Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Larry Holmes
Jeff Fenech
Terry Norris
Mike McCallum
Loyd Honeyghan
Pernell Whitaker
Alexis Arguello
Ray Mancini
Hector Camancho
Salvador Sanchez
Eusebio Pedroza

Yet now we are truely blessed with
Cory Spinks
Ricky Hatton
John Ruiz
Jermaine Taylor
Floyd Mayweather
Winky Wright
did i miss something or are the stars of today heartless, gutless, protected money cows.

gee i miss the 80's

[boxingcar]

Since when were Duran, Chavez, Nelson from the USA?

I don't think you get it. It's a general fact. it's part of boxing history.

LOOK at Muhammad Ali's record and count the number of american opponents
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Do the same for Foreman
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the same for Tyson
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or Riddick Bowe
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It's a fact...There was no such thing as a Vitali Klitschko back in Ali's era...There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis back in Tyson's prime...

No such thing as an eastern euro boxing invasion either..
Hell , they used to be banned back then..

[H .]

yeah well if i was living in the past i would only be able to watch such guys like
The 80's only had boring fighters like
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Tommie Hearns
Mike Tsyon
Marvin Hagler
Julio C Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Larry Holmes
Jeff Fenech
Terry Norris
Mike McCallum
Loyd Honeyghan
Pernell Whitaker
Alexis Arguello
Ray Mancini
Hector Camancho
Salvador Sanchez
Eusebio Pedroza

Yet now we are truely blessed with
Cory Spinks
Ricky Hatton
John Ruiz
Jermaine Taylor
Floyd Mayweather
Winky Wright
did i miss something or are the stars of today heartless, gutless, protected money cows.

gee i miss the 80's

:crying :crying :crying :crying

[China_hand_Joe]

The problem today with boxing is it's fans - not it's boxers.Blocky is right. Whether the fans are a result of the American boxing media's brainwashing, is debatable though.

[BoppaZoo]

Or are boxers of today fighting to win due to the era we now live in where a loss practically destroys your career?

Think about it.

You get a kid like Mayweather Jr who grew up kicking the shit out of fighters ( See Corrales for instance) - slowly more and more pressure goes on him about his undefeated record and so to save himself, he either fights people not at his standard or he fights cautiously to win

The problem today with boxing is it's fans - not it's boxers.good post and i agree with it being pressure from to many parts.
Managers,Family,Promoters etc.

and it is right but i feel the guys that step up take the chances and let there hands go not worry about the rest. you will start to see more fights like what we saw in Cotto vs Judah and less Spinks vs Taylor type fights.

its just really frustrating right now because the 80's got me started on boxing and the 90's kept the same sort of intensity with guys like Hopkins,Jones,Toney,Tszyu,Dela Hoya,Lewis,Tua,Gatti,Ward,Hamed etc really exciting guys yet as soon as we hit 2000 its like no i have to pick the exact right opponent so i dont lose my investment.

just getting really frustrated especially when theres like 10 guys out there going no im the best no but im the best and all there ding is beating up on older type guys instead of fighting guys in there prime like the 80's.

[pipe wrenched]

Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto are throw back fighters.

Hatton's style is not that bad, he lands a lot of big punches then holds. Better than running, at least Hatton does damage as seen by his brutal body shot he landed on Castillo and stopping Tszyu.

Good post:good

[BoppaZoo]

I think we of this generation were also spoilt by a certain Roy Jones Jr who no matter what challenge always tended to showboat, throw flashy combinations and make the fight seem interesting.

Bet your ass if Wlad did the rope a dope against his next opponent, let them punch themselves out and KO them in 9 - instead of praising his tactical brilliance like we did Mohammad Ali - we'd be saying "WHAT A SHIT FIGHT, WLAD GOT LUCKY!!!!"yes i think we were spoilt back then and now well what can i say.

as for Ali i was never impressed with his style or lack of excitment when it came to fighting but i believe his boxing brain was far better than any others.

i would rather watch Joe Louis or Mike Tyson and there styles any day of the week before id watch ALI.

[bill poster]

Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto are throw back fighters.


Pavlik has about as much charisma as a Pot Noodle

Manny and Ricky are proper idols

[BoppaZoo]

THE END IS COMING.

i can see the future and it doesnt look great.

[Lacyace]

Or are boxers of today fighting to win due to the era we now live in where a loss practically destroys your career.

That's the biggest problem with boxing. Boxing is a bandwagon sport.

[boxfan99]

Is this the End of Boxing?

It seems like somebody asks this question each week.:roll: Funny how boxing is still here.

[Vantage_West]

Since when were Duran, Chavez, Nelson from the USA?:amen

[ron u.k.]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.boppa my son.you really havn't got a clue.:patsch

[Chileno606]

its not the end of boxing



ITS THE END TIMES!!!!!!!!! :hi:

[chliJs]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.

hatton is better for boxing than family guy for comedic cartoons.
now stop crying.

[Butch Coolidge]

I remember plenty of boring clinchfests from the 80s heavyweights. That's what made Tyson's arrival so spectacular, he wasn't a boring " I won't hurt you if you don't hurt me " type fighter and that's why he's still remembered today--all action.

I used to like Wladimir Klitschko until Steward made him into a safety boxer. When will Klitschko start wearing a foulcup that protects his body all the way up to his collarbones?

[Club Fighter]

I don't think you get it. It's a general fact. it's part of boxing history.

LOOK at Muhammad Ali's record and count the number of american opponents
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Do the same for Foreman
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the same for Tyson
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or Riddick Bowe
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It's a fact...There was no such thing as a Vitali Klitschko back in Ali's era...There was no such thing as a Lennox Lewis back in Tyson's prime...

No such thing as an eastern euro boxing invasion either..
Hell , they used to be banned back then..
Dude, think for a second before you post. Boxing has been international and wasn't excluding Euros. Hell, Joe Louis fought Max Schmeling in 1936. 1936, for Christ's sake!!! It's not that you guys were excluded, it's just that you weren't any good. Europeans had a distinctly different style of boxing than Americans and it just wasn't conducive to wresting a belt from a non- European fighter's clutches. With time people adapt and you have the current boxing scene. But this inferior European style is still being employed today which can explain why a European champion like, say, a Thomas Damgaard, who's indestructible at home can lose to an American club fighter. The same thing applies to Gianluca Branco, Morrade Hakkar, and a host of others. So those fighters you mentioned faced mostly American opposition because that was the best opposition at the time. Why fight Euros you know you're gonna steamroll unless the sanctioning body mandates it?

[Shake]

I don't know about the bad fans. Oscar de la Hoya has fought a lot of elite fighters, and was even crazy enough to go after Hopkins. He's lost his fair share of 'em, and it doesn't seem like it has turned his fans off.

[Butch Coolidge]

How many Russians or USSR boxers did Louis fight?

[the mean machine]

Boxing will not end, it just will get rid of dumb fans...

[Expert]

Since when were Duran, Chavez, Nelson from the USA?

excellent question!

[Expert]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.

great post

[Butch Coolidge]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.



People used to say the exact same thing back in the 80s and so on. The bygone years always look better because we simply forget the hugfests but remember the slugfests.

[Words]

with guys and there boring styles and no heart out there in the ring.

i believe we as fans should be up in arms about guys like

Ricky Hatton (and his hit once close the opponents hitting room and clinch for dear life, then every now and then hit low)

PBF ( for the best most exciting fighter in the world ive only seen this guy show me once he was devasting and that was aginst a done Gatti)

Cory Spinks (a guy that some how thinks we love it that he can throw 12 punch's and not get hit in return wow)

Jermain Taylor ( a guy that just does enough to win and shows no heart in the ring at all)

i want the 80's to come back to boxing i didnt become a fan of the most exciting sport in history to be bored to death.

whe are fans of these type guys going to say enough is enough when are going to realize that Manny Pacquiao,MAB,Calzaghe,Margarito and Cotto and even Judah are what boxing should be about.

Heart and not the money hoe type guys that dont like to go to war.
when will fight fans realize that our sport is just hanging on because of constant politics from TV networks and money hungry managers and yet we keep feeding the guys that are boring our money because Ring want us to believe that boxing isnt about being exciting anymore its about one thing winning and it doesnt matter if you do it like a coward or you wrestle your way there it only matters if the money keeps coming in.

well not my money. thats it from me tell me when the next guy with at least half a heart turns up.
a Roberto Duran or maybe a Marvin Hagler or maybe a Tommie Hearns or matbe a Mike Tyson or maybe a Kostya Tszyu or maybe a Roy Jones or maybe a Azumah Nelson.
anyone with a Heart and some balls to not be protected.

i will probably get a bit of shit for this post of some of the fans but for the good of our sport im prepared to take that chance.

go watch MMA or something then you whingeing twat

[boxingcar]

It's not that you guys were excluded, it's just that you weren't any good

Are you this much naive?

[CASH_718]

Pavlik has about as much charisma as a Pot Noodle

Manny and Ricky are proper idolsOh yea Manny's got some personality.:patsch

[PacDbest]

I agree with Boffa, Part to Blame are HBO who approved this potential Clincefest & Running Dancing show & Pay those Boring fighters Millions.

The reason I'm watching boxing again is Because of Pacman's excitement . But lately with the string of Bad fights, now I can afford to miss a Telefutura or ESPn fights & even HBOs & SHO shows. I'll just wait for Pac fights, Will not Pay again for PPV not named Pacquiao, Cotto, & Kelly Pavlik.

DLH, PBF, Winky, Hops, Hatton won't get any of my PPV $$$ unless they Fight one of my 3 Favorite Fighters.

[Butch Coolidge]

Not every fight in the 80s was Hagler versus Hearns. A lot of the fights back then were boring dance and hug contests as well. Camacho Sr.?

[MSTR]

Its all objective. You are looking only at the interesting fighters of yesterday. Look at guys today like, Mosley, Trinidad, Oscar, Vargas, Margarito, Gatti, Cotto, Pacquiao, Vasquez, Marquez, Kessler, Lacy, Pavlik, Miranda, Katsidis, Kostya, Darchinyian, Arce, Juan Diaz, Corrales, Morrales, Barrera, Mayorga ect. I could go on for days. Boxing is superb right now, and we have an amazing talent pool. Probably the only thing spoiling it is that a selection of the truely elite guys right now are technicians (winky, floyd, bernard). Even so i still enjoy watching them fight, as they help diversify the sport and can make for some interesting match ups of styles.

[MSTR]

That said I can see the point you are making about the elite guys of the 80's. The main thing that made it so good then was having so many great fighters so close to each other in terms of weight. I think we are approaching another great era in boxing right now. There are plenty of great matches to be made. It just gets disappointing when you see matches like Spinks vs Taylor. Keep in mind though some of the great fights we have seen in recent years like MAB vs Morrales, Gatti v Ward, Corrales v Castillo, Oscar v Mosley, Trinidad v Vargas ect. Boxing will never die.

[Rock0052]

yeah well if i was living in the past i would only be able to watch such guys like
The 80's only had boring fighters like
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard
Tommie Hearns
Mike Tsyon
Marvin Hagler
Julio C Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Larry Holmes
Jeff Fenech
Terry Norris
Mike McCallum
Loyd Honeyghan
Pernell Whitaker
Alexis Arguello
Ray Mancini
Hector Camancho
Salvador Sanchez
Eusebio Pedroza

Yet now we are truely blessed with
Cory Spinks
Ricky Hatton
John Ruiz
Jermaine Taylor
Floyd Mayweather
Winky Wright
did i miss something or are the stars of today heartless, gutless, protected money cows.

gee i miss the 80's

Yeah, it's really unbiased if you list the most exciting 80's fighters you can think of and then the most boring current generation fighters you can think of.

By that logic, you could say that Wlad would've dominated the 70's because Ken Norton had a glass chin. No need to mention any other fighters, that's proof enough, thank you.

[China_hand_Joe]

He also picks from a whole decade of fighters; 10 years vs one moment in time (the present) so it is impossible to pick a list that matches up.

[Club Fighter]

Not every fight in the 80s was Hagler versus Hearns. A lot of the fights back then were boring dance and hug contests as well. Camacho Sr.?

This is half true. Camacho only got gay after about '86 so he provided us with a lot of excitement as well. Hey, he's an all-time great, you know. Watch your tone.

[BoppaZoo]

OK ill stop whinging when some of those fighters grow a pair of nuts.

hows that sound.

but my point wasnt about just those fighters it was that the culture of Boxing is becoming more political and putting more pressure on fighters to take shit fights in order to keep there record intact and the fans watching but for me its doing the oppisite.

yeah there have been some great fights this year but look at what fights they were none were really big time fights and most were international's.
like
Katsidis vs Earl
Cotto vs Judah (great fight)
Pavlik vs Miranda
NDou vs Rabah
Marquez vs MAB

and i was delighted with all those fights but for some reason the really huge fights were shockers

PBF vs ODH
Spinks vs Taylor
anyway you get the picture.

maybe i dont remember the bad fights of the 80's but i think i know why that is because most of the bad fights were not the biggest fights.
The big time fights always delivered but for some reason the big fights these days dont deliver.

[Expert]

The big time fights always delivered but for some reason the big fights these days dont deliver.

this is exactly what is happening.

[divac]

People used to say the exact same thing back in the 80s and so on. The bygone years always look better because we simply forget the hugfests but remember the slugfests.

Truer words have never been spoken......
......I just saw a few Youtube clips of the great Roberto Duran, and Duran often held and got into just as many if not more clinches that Ricky Hatton does today.

Respected fighters like Roberto Duran and Bernard Hopkins were masters at the art of subdueing an opponents offense by smothering and and getting themselves into clinches....its part of the boxing game, always has and always will be......
.....the important thing is that unlike a fighter like John Ruiz, both Duran and Hopkins subdued an offense but put up a significant offense of their own.
Both Duran and Hopkins were masters of getting themselves into a clinch and positioning themselves to get the upper hand and fight themselves right out of their own clinch.
.....its called boxing, its part of it, always has, and always will be.
Ricky Hatton does much the same today.


Great post Coolidge, you nailed it dead on....people are not educated or just have selective memory and only want to remember whats convenient for them that sides with their position.


Get it straight you knuckleheads.....Ricky Hatton is an amatuer at the art of hugging, clinching, and plain dirty tactics when you compare his deeds to the thuggery tactics employed by the great Roberto Duran.
In fact, what Hatton does now can be called finesse if you compare it to the tactics often employed by such greats as Duran and Hopkins!:lol: :yep

[Scar]

Well if you don't like how things are then just stop watching, simple.

[BoppaZoo]

Well if you don't like how things are then just stop watching, simple.i have thats my point.

i havnt bought a PPV since Mundine vs Soliman.

5 years ago i would have bought
Tszyu's fights
Hopkins fights
Lewis's fights
Tysons fights
Jones's fights
Castillo's fights
Dela Hoya's fights
Holyfields fights
Tua's fights
Gatti's fights
now i only get Aussie fights because the other fights lately have been shit.

[smokey]

i have thats my point.

i havnt bought a PPV since Mundine vs Soliman.

Then you missed a great fight in Cotto/Judah and a horrible fight in Briggs/Ibragimov. There will always be both kinds.

If you are just looking at the heavies, then yeah this era sucks. The lighweights and welters are as hot as they have ever been today. There have been several fights that every fan should have recorded forever, and at least one that is in the top 5 of all time.

[ron u.k.]

great postgreat post you say!under the name of "expert".that seems to be a contradiction in terms.

[ron u.k.]

Truer words have never been spoken......
......I just saw a few Youtube clips of the great Roberto Duran, and Duran often held and got into just as many if not more clinches that Ricky Hatton does today.

Respected fighters like Roberto Duran and Bernard Hopkins were masters at the art of subdueing an opponents offense by smothering and and getting themselves into clinches....its part of the boxing game, always has and always will be......
.....the important thing is that unlike a fighter like John Ruiz, both Duran and Hopkins subdued an offense but put up a significant offense of their own.
Both Duran and Hopkins were masters of getting themselves into a clinch and positioning themselves to get the upper hand and fight themselves right out of their own clinch.
.....its called boxing, its part of it, always has, and always will be.
Ricky Hatton does much the same today.


Great post Coolidge, you nailed it dead on....people are not educated or just have selective memory and only want to remember whats convenient for them that sides with their position.


Get it straight you knuckleheads.....Ricky Hatton is an amatuer at the art of hugging, clinching, and plain dirty tactics when you compare his deeds to the thuggery tactics employed by the great Roberto Duran.
In fact, what Hatton does now can be called finesse if you compare it to the tactics often employed by such greats as Duran and Hopkins!:lol: :yepi've said before some on here havn't got a clue,if you check out the old fight films of robinson,moore,ali almost any of them they were all at it.it was called tying a man up and considered legitimate.the thing is hatton has only really employed it in a couple of fights.on saturday castillo did it as much as hatton.

[MSTR]

Truer words have never been spoken......
......I just saw a few Youtube clips of the great Roberto Duran, and Duran often held and got into just as many if not more clinches that Ricky Hatton does today.

Respected fighters like Roberto Duran and Bernard Hopkins were masters at the art of subdueing an opponents offense by smothering and and getting themselves into clinches....its part of the boxing game, always has and always will be......
.....the important thing is that unlike a fighter like John Ruiz, both Duran and Hopkins subdued an offense but put up a significant offense of their own.
Both Duran and Hopkins were masters of getting themselves into a clinch and positioning themselves to get the upper hand and fight themselves right out of their own clinch.
.....its called boxing, its part of it, always has, and always will be.
Ricky Hatton does much the same today.


Great post Coolidge, you nailed it dead on....people are not educated or just have selective memory and only want to remember whats convenient for them that sides with their position.


Get it straight you knuckleheads.....Ricky Hatton is an amatuer at the art of hugging, clinching, and plain dirty tactics when you compare his deeds to the thuggery tactics employed by the great Roberto Duran.
In fact, what Hatton does now can be called finesse if you compare it to the tactics often employed by such greats as Duran and Hopkins!:lol: :yep

So what you are saying is that Hatton has finesse when compared to Bernard Hopkins one of the most skilled technical fighters of our generation:patsch

Don't worry your not the only one who finds that funny:rofl:rofl

[MSTR]

Truer words have never been spoken......
......I just saw a few Youtube clips of the great Roberto Duran, and Duran often held and got into just as many if not more clinches that Ricky Hatton does today.

Respected fighters like Roberto Duran and Bernard Hopkins were masters at the art of subdueing an opponents offense by smothering and and getting themselves into clinches....its part of the boxing game, always has and always will be......
.....the important thing is that unlike a fighter like John Ruiz, both Duran and Hopkins subdued an offense but put up a significant offense of their own.
Both Duran and Hopkins were masters of getting themselves into a clinch and positioning themselves to get the upper hand and fight themselves right out of their own clinch.
.....its called boxing, its part of it, always has, and always will be.
Ricky Hatton does much the same today.


Great post Coolidge, you nailed it dead on....people are not educated or just have selective memory and only want to remember whats convenient for them that sides with their position.


Get it straight you knuckleheads.....Ricky Hatton is an amatuer at the art of hugging, clinching, and plain dirty tactics when you compare his deeds to the thuggery tactics employed by the great Roberto Duran.
In fact, what Hatton does now can be called finesse if you compare it to the tactics often employed by such greats as Duran and Hopkins!:lol: :yep

Actually the rest of your post is very good. I just think you need to re think the end sentence. Hatton is worse as he doesn't mix it up, that is his constant gameplan, where as guys like Hopkins and Duran would not do so for such extended periods of time

[BoppaZoo]

i've said before some on here havn't got a clue,if you check out the old fight films of robinson,moore,ali almost any of them they were all at it.it was called tying a man up and considered legitimate.the thing is hatton has only really employed it in a couple of fights.on saturday castillo did it as much as hatton.Hatton you say has only started using that style the last 2 fights did you say. BULLSHIT.

he has used this style since with Tszyu,Muassa,Urango,Collazo and Castillo. thats 5 fights he has been using the hit once move in to create no distance then wrap up my man like im queer as folk.:lol:

[BoppaZoo]

[quote=divac]Truer words have never been spoken......
......I just saw a few Youtube clips of the great Roberto Duran, and Duran often held and got into just as many if not more clinches that Ricky Hatton does today.

Respected fighters like Roberto Duran and Bernard Hopkins were masters at the art of subdueing an opponents offense by smothering and and getting themselves into clinches....its part of the boxing game, always has and always will be......
.....the important thing is that unlike a fighter like John Ruiz, both Duran and Hopkins subdued an offense but put up a significant offense of their own.
Both Duran and Hopkins were masters of getting themselves into a clinch and positioning themselves to get the upper hand and fight themselves right out of their own clinch.
.....its called boxing, its part of it, always has, and always will be.
Ricky Hatton does much the same today.


Great post Coolidge, you nailed it dead on....people are not educated or just have selective memory and only want to remember whats convenient for them that sides with their position.


Get it straight you knuckleheads.....Ricky Hatton is an amatuer at the art of hugging, clinching, and plain dirty tactics when you compare his deeds to the thuggery tactics employed by the great Roberto Duran.
In fact, what Hatton does now can be called finesse if you compare it to the tactics often employed by such greats as Duran and Hopkins!:lol: :yep[/quote

Actually the rest of your post is very good. I just think you need to re think the end sentence. Hatton is worse as he doesn't mix it up, that is his constant gameplan, where as guys like Hopkins and Duran would do so for such extended periods of timecalling Duran worse than Hatton is BS.

Duran lets his hands go and has had some great fights unlike Ricky.
anyone remember the Leonard trilogy was that anywhere near like what Hatton fights like.

[deram]

Well, from here Calzaghe-Kessler is more exiting than any fight for many years.

Another one waiting to happen that I am excited about is Pac-Valero.. That will be good!

Cotto-Hatton would also be a really good fight.

There are plenty of great fights waiting to happen. The only difference now in relation to earlier is that if you are american HW is not is compelling right now. But that is it. Apart from that boxing is looking great!

[ron u.k.]

Hatton you say has only started using that style the last 2 fights did you say. BULLSHIT.

he has used this style since with Tszyu,Muassa,Urango,Collazo and Castillo. thats 5 fights he has been using the hit once move in to create no distance then wrap up my man like im queer as folk.:lol:your talking bollocks just like all the other clueless haters.

[Expert]

[quote=MSTR]calling Duran worse than Hatton is BS.

Duran lets his hands go and has had some great fights unlike Ricky.
anyone remember the Leonard trilogy was that anywhere near like what Hatton fights like.


yes, calling Duran worse than Hatton is simply unbelievable.

[divac]

[quote=BoppaZoo]


yes, calling Duran worse than Hatton is simply unbelievable.

Some of you guys must not be very bright when it comes to reading comprehension.
If you read into my post, it insinuates that the dirty tactics employed by Hatton are childs play compared to experts like Duran and Hopkins who made a career out of clinching, elbowing, butting, and low blowing.

Some of you guys seem are clueless to the fact that some of the very best fighters in history, clinched, held, elbowed, butted, lowblowed, etc.......

Again, nowhere in my prior post am I comparing Hatton's skill level to any of the greats of the past.
.....I'm comparing the nasty side of Hatton to the greats of the past, and let me let some of you guys on some old news......Roberto Duran was as nasty a SOB as there's ever been, and in fact, his first fight with Ray Leonard was full of holding and clinches!!!

Did some of you guys miss it?????
Ricky Hatton hit castillo with plenty of punches which led to a body shot KO. Last I checked, he did't take Castillo to the mat and made him submit!!!:D ;)