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Chris Warren
09-21-2009, 04:51 PM
I mean any heavyweight champion since Liston till today. I would favor him over guys like Buster Douglas, John Ruiz, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Wlad or Vitali, Klitschko, Well actually most of the bums Tyson won the belts from early in his career I would favor a prime Ron Lyle to beat.

GPater11093
09-21-2009, 05:12 PM
I think all white champions beat all black champions because you are a rascist, cock sucking, scouse, bum licking, fairy touching, old granny watching, gay loving Knobhead

junior-soprano
09-21-2009, 05:31 PM
i don't see lyle beating norton nor douglas, nor tyson, nor holmes, nor lewis, nor holyfield. i even don't see him beating klitschko

Rourke
09-21-2009, 05:42 PM
Trevor Berbick, Shannon Briggs, John Ruiz, Michael Moorer possibly.

Chris Warren
09-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Junior you have to think Lyle would beat Norton because Norton cant take a big punch and any person with a big punch could beat him. Well at according to most people here Norton couldnt beat any top punchers.

time lost
09-22-2009, 12:09 AM
I think all white champions beat all black champions because you are a rascist, cock sucking, scouse, bum licking, fairy touching, old granny watching, gay loving Knobhead
your are a rud bunch o shit!!:bart

Chris Warren
09-22-2009, 01:12 AM
Lol good thing I have Gpaters on ignore, he is a sad little boy in need of attention

Seamus
09-22-2009, 01:32 AM
Lyle wasn't that good. I don't see him beating Ruiz or the version of Douglas that won the title. He would be killed by either Klitchsko. I mean, who were his best pelts? A shot Bonavena, a blubbery Mathis, a rite of passage KO over Shavers or the retreating Bugner? He was a decent sized dude for his day with crude technique and fairly average power.

My2Sense
09-22-2009, 01:39 AM
I mean, who were his best pelts? A shot Bonavena, a blubbery Mathis, a rite of passage KO over Shavers or the retreating Bugner? He was a decent sized dude for his day with crude technique and fairly average power.

I've always said the same thing. Most of his "reputation" today comes from his performance in fights he lost (Foreman, Ali). The only live contender he actually beat was Shavers. Other than that it was mostly has-beens, alternating with embarrassing upset losses to Quarry(who was himself thought to be a has-been) and Young.

Bummy Davis
09-22-2009, 02:28 AM
Klitschko would treat him like they treated Brock,Peter,Hide,Brewster,Gomez,Thompson,Ibragimov,Chagaev,Austin,McCline,Etc...Lyle would not last long against them......he may have a chance against Ruiz an older Sharkey and Moorer and Seldon....but a chance not a lock

Chris Warren
09-22-2009, 03:08 AM
My2sense you said Lyle only had average power? Cute, yet his average power had Foreman on the canvas 2 times in one round. Which Klitschko are you talking about? The one who got knocked out by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster or the one who quit because his arm was injured?

Who did Vitali beat? Danny Williams, Sam " Huge Tits" Peter, a washed up Rahman, wait I know he beat that blown up nobody cruiserweight Juan Carlos Gomez. Yeah i guess you are right, Vitali beat great hall of fame fighters and since Ron Lyle lost to all time greats that must mean he is a nobody. Gerat points My2sense. Well actually they arent good point.

Neither Klitscho could handle pressure, Ruiz whole game plan is to dry hump his man to death. Douglas was a nobody who is known for being the woman beater Tyson. Trevor Berbick could barely beat a washed up Muhummad Ali. You could name other heavyweight champions that Lyle could beat too.

Chris Warren
09-22-2009, 03:10 AM
Oops I mean Seamus not My2sense about Lyles power. If Lyles power is average then Wlad doesnt have power period. Knocking down Foreman and losing is more than Wlad did even in his wins.

fists of fury
09-22-2009, 07:43 AM
I think all white champions beat all black champions because you are a rascist, cock sucking, scouse, bum licking, fairy touching, old granny watching, gay loving Knobhead

If he's scouse he can't be all bad. :p

My2Sense
09-22-2009, 06:28 PM
Cute, yet his average power had Foreman on the canvas 2 times in one round.

If Lyles power is average then Wlad doesnt have power period. Knocking down Foreman and losing is more than Wlad did even in his wins.

Jimmy Young was notoriously light-hitting, and he had Foreman down too.

Ali knocked him out - how hard would you say he hit?

cotto20
09-22-2009, 06:55 PM
I think Lyle would of beat Rahman, Douglas, Bruno, Berbick, Herbie Hide, Ruiz, Ellis, Morrision, and Leon Spinks. And proably a few more.

ChrisPontius
09-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Lyle was a good contender but let's not get carried away. The only ranked boxer he ever beat was Shavers, who was very erratic and could be upset by anyone.... actually, instead of "upset", you could say "be beat", because outside of his humongous power, he had very few top boxer's qualities.

time lost
09-22-2009, 07:20 PM
Klitschko would treat him like they treated Brock,Peter,Hide,Brewster,Gomez,Thompson,Ibragimov,Chagaev,Austin,McCline,Etc...Lyle would not last long against them......he may have a chance against Ruiz an older Sharkey and Moorer and Seldon....but a chance not a lock gota go along with you on this one :good

road_warrior_99
09-22-2009, 07:25 PM
He could beat Marvin Hart with an early KO, but if it went 20 rounds I don't think Lyle would last.

MrMarvel
09-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Jimmy Young was notoriously light-hitting, and he had Foreman down too.

Ali knocked him out - how hard would you say he hit?

Have you seen the Foreman Young fight? It doesn't seem like you have. It wasn't a knockdown. Foreman was off balance and Young pulled him down with a high right hand. It was Young's forearm that actually made contact. Foreman was notorious for being off balance in those days. Watch 12 round. You can probably find it on Youtube.

And Ali really didn't knock out Foreman. Foreman beat the count. Foreman was exhausted. Yes, Ali put him down. But Foreman had trouble rising because he was completely exhausted. And, again, he actually beat the count.

81 fights, well into his forties, and he was down only once from a clean punch. Oooo, sounds like a horrible chin. :roll:

Chris Warren
09-22-2009, 09:52 PM
Thank you MrMarvel, You see how silly most of these people here are? Foreman has a bad chin now, Tyson was knocked down and out by Buster Douglas but its ok because its Mike Tyson, Joe Louis was rocked big time by feather fisted Billy Conn but its ok because its Joe Louis. But if Foreman goes down then it shows how bad his chin is. Simply amusing.

My2Sense
09-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Have you seen the Foreman Young fight?

Yes.

It doesn't seem like you have.

Why not?

It wasn't a knockdown.

Yes it was.

Foreman was off balance and Young pulled him down with a high right hand.

Which is a knockdown.

It was Young's forearm that actually made contact.

After his fist had.

Foreman was notorious for being off balance in those days.

So he was off-balance against Lyle too?

Watch 12 round.

I already have.

You can probably find it on Youtube.

Not necessary.

And Ali really didn't knock out Foreman.

Yes he did.


81 fights, well into his forties, and he was down only once from a clean punch.

What did he go down from the other three times?


Oooo, sounds like a horrible chin. :roll:

Who said anything about his chin?

My2Sense
09-22-2009, 10:38 PM
Thank you MrMarvel, You see how silly most of these people here are? Foreman has a bad chin now, Tyson was knocked down and out by Buster Douglas but its ok because its Mike Tyson, Joe Louis was rocked big time by feather fisted Billy Conn but its ok because its Joe Louis. But if Foreman goes down then it shows how bad his chin is. Simply amusing.

More amusing is when posters lose track of what name they're signed in under.

Seamus
09-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Oops I mean Seamus not My2sense about Lyles power. If Lyles power is average then Wlad doesnt have power period. Knocking down Foreman and losing is more than Wlad did even in his wins.

And any of us can pick the best moments of one fighter to challenge the worst of another. The astute among us balance the entire career and abilities of both.

Lyle was not that good. Sorry. His power was average. Young had Foreman going life and death and he had NO power.

Part of Wlad's problem is he has made this generation of heavyweights look less than their true abilities. Sorry, but that's the truth.

mr. magoo
09-22-2009, 10:54 PM
Its certainly possible that Lyle at the peak of his powers could have taken adavantage of say, a 21 year old Patterson, an aging Louis, or someone like Jess Willard. But, catching fighters at their worst doesn't say much, and throwing names like L. Spinks or B. Douglas into the works isn't adding a lot either. I really don't see Lyle dethroning any truly good champion at their peak. He was good, but also limited. In fact, He lost to most of the best fighters he faced, and that included a much smaller Jerry Quarry.

Chris Warren
09-23-2009, 01:10 AM
My2sense you know what is amusing? Me responding to people like you who dont know boxing, so let me correct that problem. Now you get ignored, bye bye.

Seamus Wlad's opponents are bad, it has nothing to do with Wlad being great. Seamus how are you going to say Lyle's power was averate but will say Corey Sanders had great power and that is why he knocked out Wlad Klitschko. Seamus which is worse, Foreman suffering a heat stroke against Jimmy Young and being knocked down, Or Mike Tyson being knocked out clean by Buster Douglas? Which is wrose Foreman being knocked down for a breif count against Young or Bert Cooper almost knocking Ali with punch. Which is worse Foreman going to down. Getting back up and keep fighting or Wlad being knocked out by nobodies like Ross Purity, Corey Sanders and Lamon Brewster.

Magoo Joe Louis lost to Max Schmeling, so does that show Louis was bad? Lennox Lewis got iced by Hasim Rahman does that mean Rahman was better? Fighters lose period, nobodies dominates every fight. How is ok for some fighters to lose but not for Lyle. Jesus Christ Ron Lyle turned pro at 29, you never seen this guys prime. Lyle fought in one of the best era's for heavyweights. So what he lost to Foreman, Ali and Quarry. Various other fighters did too.

I would rather lose to Foreman, Ali and Quarry than win against guys like Tony Thompson and Ray Austin like Wlad did.

My2Sense
09-23-2009, 02:03 AM
My2sense you know what is amusing? Me responding to people like you who dont know boxing, so let me correct that problem.

Last time I checked it was "MrMarvel" who responded to me.

Oops. :lol::lol::rofl


Seamus which is worse, Foreman suffering a heat stroke against Jimmy Young and being knocked down, Or Mike Tyson being knocked out clean by Buster Douglas?

Foreman, because Tyson took an extended beating from a guy who was at least a solid puncher before going down.

Which is wrose Foreman being knocked down for a breif count against Young or Bert Cooper almost knocking Ali with punch.

Foreman, because (Henry, not Bert)Cooper was good puncher whereas Young couldn't crack on egg.


I would rather lose to Foreman, Ali and Quarry than win against guys like Tony Thompson and Ray Austin like Wlad did.

Which makes you a fool.

PbP Bacon
09-23-2009, 02:55 AM
In my opinion, Lyle is getting sold a little short here. Sure he wasn't the fastest bullet in the barrel, but he wasn't a tomato can neither :think

Reasonably, Lyle would have a good chance of defeating Ruiz, Spinks, Sharkey, Bruno and Moorer.

I would even say that Lyle stands a very good chance against any version of Buster Douglas, other than the Tokio one, because, admittedly, Buster fought the fight of his life that night.

But, that is Lyle's zenith. And that's all folks.

Anybody above the level of the guys mentioned should be able to defeat Lyle confortably

Bummy Davis
09-23-2009, 04:11 PM
My2sense you said Lyle only had average power? Cute, yet his average power had Foreman on the canvas 2 times in one round. Which Klitschko are you talking about? The one who got knocked out by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster or the one who quit because his arm was injured?

Who did Vitali beat? Danny Williams, Sam " Huge Tits" Peter, a washed up Rahman, wait I know he beat that blown up nobody cruiserweight Juan Carlos Gomez. Yeah i guess you are right, Vitali beat great hall of fame fighters and since Ron Lyle lost to all time greats that must mean he is a nobody. Gerat points My2sense. Well actually they arent good point.

Neither Klitscho could handle pressure, Ruiz whole game plan is to dry hump his man to death. Douglas was a nobody who is known for being the woman beater Tyson. Trevor Berbick could barely beat a washed up Muhummad Ali. You could name other heavyweight champions that Lyle could beat too.

Foreman avoided punchers with durable chins for fear of blowing his wad...Quarry and Bonevena would have been good tests for him..Lyle was big and muscled but was only an average puncher...Foreman was KO'd by Ali, dropped by Young and a couple by Lyle but none of those guys were major punchers and Foreman blew his wad in 2 of them and was a hair away from getting stopped by Lyle...he did show more will to win than Ron though

TheGreatA
09-23-2009, 04:27 PM
Foreman was all over the place against Jimmy Young... Still, I'm not completely certain if the right hand even connected, not flush atleast.

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I think Lyle was a good puncher but he didn't always catch the people he fought. He had Foreman standing right in front of him and hurt him bad. Not really a proven great puncher though.

Chris Warren
09-23-2009, 08:54 PM
Bummy are you on drugs? As i said answer this for me, How is it ok for Tyson to get knocked out by Buster Douglas but not ok for Foreman to get knocked out by Ali. Why is it ok for Joe Louis to be hurt by Billy Conn a blown up super middleweight but not ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Jimmy Young? How is it ok for Wladmir Klitschko to be knocked out by 3rd rate fighters like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster but its no ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Lyle?

Infact reading your replies are getting tiresome. So as so many people before you now you get ignored. Bye bye.

My2Sense
09-23-2009, 09:00 PM
As i said answer this for me, How is it ok for Tyson to get knocked out by Buster Douglas but not ok for Foreman to get knocked out by Ali. Why is it ok for Joe Louis to be hurt by Billy Conn a blown up super middleweight but not ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Jimmy Young? How is it ok for Wladmir Klitschko to be knocked out by 3rd rate fighters like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster but its no ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Lyle?

Infact reading your replies are getting tiresome. So as so many people before you now you get ignored. Bye bye.

How are you supposed to get his answer if you put him on ignore, jackass?? :patsch:roll:

Seamus
09-23-2009, 10:59 PM
Seamus Wlad's opponents are bad, it has nothing to do with Wlad being great. Seamus how are you going to say Lyle's power was averate but will say Corey Sanders had great power and that is why he knocked out Wlad Klitschko. Seamus which is worse, Foreman suffering a heat stroke against Jimmy Young and being knocked down, Or Mike Tyson being knocked out clean by Buster Douglas? Which is wrose Foreman being knocked down for a breif count against Young or Bert Cooper almost knocking Ali with punch. Which is worse Foreman going to down. Getting back up and keep fighting or Wlad being knocked out by nobodies like Ross Purity, Corey Sanders and Lamon Brewster.


As almost every current HW era, this era is under-rated talent-wise, especially by Yanks, who seem to have a chip on their collective shoulder about being such crappy big fighters.

Secondly, Wlad never got KO'd by Corey Sanders. I don't even think he fought him.

Which is worse between the Foreman and Tyson losses? They are both losses. Both fighters in a given fight have to deal with the same heat. If one can't hack it, too bad, he's not as good a fighter that night.

Uh, when did Cooper and Ali fight? This is pure horseshit. I know to ignore your posts.

Bummy Davis
09-24-2009, 02:35 PM
Bummy are you on drugs? As i said answer this for me, How is it ok for Tyson to get knocked out by Buster Douglas but not ok for Foreman to get knocked out by Ali. Why is it ok for Joe Louis to be hurt by Billy Conn a blown up super middleweight but not ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Jimmy Young? How is it ok for Wladmir Klitschko to be knocked out by 3rd rate fighters like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster but its no ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Lyle?

Infact reading your replies are getting tiresome. So as so many people before you now you get ignored. Bye bye.


Listen little retard....I dont know why I respond to your rediculas posts for one. the Question you asked was who would I favor Lyle to beat for the title....Lyle was not championship quality...Now I will Ignore you... Now,go out and play with the other kids

Titan1
10-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Probably Weaver, Douglass, Smith, Spinks, and possibly Tate,Tubbs, and Page.

red cobra
10-05-2010, 04:49 PM
Listen little retard....I dont know why I respond to your rediculas posts for one. the Question you asked was who would I favor Lyle to beat for the title....Lyle was not championship quality...Now I will Ignore you... Now,go out and play with the other kids
Amen BD!!!:deal

Johnstown
10-05-2010, 04:49 PM
why you limiting it to fighters after 1960? is it because you think old time guys would be at a mismatch aganst Lyle...because if you think that..your a fool.

Johnstown
10-05-2010, 04:50 PM
for your question...bruce seldon...frank bruno would be his best shot.

ironchamp
10-05-2010, 05:08 PM
Bummy are you on drugs? As i said answer this for me, How is it ok for Tyson to get knocked out by Buster Douglas but not ok for Foreman to get knocked out by Ali. Why is it ok for Joe Louis to be hurt by Billy Conn a blown up super middleweight but not ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Jimmy Young? How is it ok for Wladmir Klitschko to be knocked out by 3rd rate fighters like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster but its no ok for Foreman to be knocked down by Lyle?

Infact reading your replies are getting tiresome. So as so many people before you now you get ignored. Bye bye.

I don't think he's on drugs.

Foreman did not take the same kind of sustained punishment that Tyson took from Douglas. Tyson was getting hit with everything but the kitchen sink. Actually come to think of it Douglas may have included a kitchen sink in the 9th round. The point it Tyson took the beating until he was physically not able to continue.

As for Foreman he simply quit against Ali. He beat the count but he didn't want any part of Muhammad so he walked off to his corner. He was mentally unable to continue. Against Jimmy Young? Well if he suffered from a heat stroke that's one thing, but it's not as if Young had an A/C in his corner.

Joe Louis getting hurt by Billy Conn is equally bad.
Wlad Klitschko getting Ko'd by subpar fighters is even worse but it doesn't take away what happened with George Foreman.

Every fighter has their ups and downs.

ironchamp
10-05-2010, 05:10 PM
Probably Weaver, Douglass, Smith, Spinks, and possibly Tate,Tubbs, and Page.

Douglas in top form beats Lyle.
Weaver is 50/50.
Smith is 50/50.
Tubbs would box his ears off.
Tate I favor Lyle.
I think Lyle could have beaten Greg Page.

Johnstown
10-05-2010, 05:53 PM
I don't think he's on drugs.

Foreman did not take the same kind of sustained punishment that Tyson took from Douglas. Tyson was getting hit with everything but the kitchen sink. Actually come to think of it Douglas may have included a kitchen sink in the 9th round. The point it Tyson took the beating until he was physically not able to continue.

As for Foreman he simply quit against Ali. He beat the count but he didn't want any part of Muhammad so he walked off to his corner. He was mentally unable to continue. Against Jimmy Young? Well if he suffered from a heat stroke that's one thing, but it's not as if Young had an A/C in his corner.

Joe Louis getting hurt by Billy Conn is equally bad.
Wlad Klitschko getting Ko'd by subpar fighters is even worse but it doesn't take away what happened with George Foreman.

Every fighter has their ups and downs.


dude he may or may not have beaten the count.....but he got waved off by the ref...he didnt just walk to his corner.

Kalasinn
10-05-2010, 06:04 PM
Well actually most of the bums Tyson won the belts from early in his career I would favor a prime Ron Lyle to beat.

Berbick, Bonecrusher, Tucker & Spinks are bums?
That's news to me, you pathetic moron.

Or Mike Tyson being knocked out clean by Buster Douglas?

Since when did finding & picking up your mouthpiece from the canvas, then being standing ready to continue in nine seconds consitute "being knocked out clean" ? :lol:

Duodenum
10-05-2010, 06:06 PM
I think Lyle does beat the post Inoki Ali, boxing the way he did in their 1975 showdown. After Inoki, Muhammad never showed that he could have come back from a deficit like that with a fight saving stoppage. In 1975, Ali was still extremely dangerous when he loaded up. I believe Inoki took away his ability to use his legs to generate power.

cuchulain
10-05-2010, 09:41 PM
I mean any heavyweight champion since Liston till today. I would favor him over guys like Buster Douglas, John Ruiz, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Wlad or Vitali, Klitschko, Well actually most of the bums Tyson won the belts from early in his career I would favor a prime Ron Lyle to beat.

Of your list, Leon is the only one I'd expect him top beat. And I'm not even confident that he'd beat Leon.

cuchulain
10-05-2010, 09:52 PM
My2sense you know what is amusing? Me responding to people like you who dont know boxing, so let me correct that problem. Now you get ignored, bye bye.





:rofl:rofl:rofl

Now that is really amusing !:hey

Especially coming from you.


I expect that's the last we'll see of 2Sense, now that you've put him on ignore.:oops:

Unforgiven
10-06-2010, 09:10 AM
Lyle was a bit better than some here are giving him credit for.

It's easy to discredit a fighter's record by saying he beat "bums, journeyman and has-beens", but it needs to be taken in context. I mean, most of the contenders and minor champions are built up that way, and even several of the greats have records like that.

So, since no one's saying he's got a stellar ATG resume, I dont see how it's relevant that his top wins aren't amazing. As someone pointed out, Vitali Klitschko had a weak resume too.

I think Lyle would be at least 50-50 or outright favoured over the likes of Rahman, Moorer, McCall, Tucker, Page, Leon & Mike Spinks, Douglas, Thomas, Weaver, Tate, Tubbs, Coetzee, Bruno, and Bruce Seldon of course.

I'd favour the following guys to beat him, but he'd be bound to pull an upset among them :
He'd have a good chance against the Klitschkos, he'd certainly have a go, and against Lennox Lewis. And Bowe.
He'd very possibly give Larry Holmes a very hard fight, and might upset both Holyfield and Tyson.

Lyle was a good contender.

BTW, can someone elaborate on how "shot" Bonavena was when Lyle beat him ?

Johnstown
10-06-2010, 09:55 AM
Berbick, Bonecrusher, Tucker & Spinks are bums?
That's news to me, you pathetic moron.



Since when did finding & picking up your mouthpiece from the canvas, then being standing ready to continue in nine seconds consitute "being knocked out clean" ? :lol:

Well maybe not knocked out clean, but he was pretty damn out...and I sure as hell would'nt say he "ready to continue"

Bokaj
10-06-2010, 10:23 AM
Lyle was a bit better than some here are giving him credit for.

It's easy to discredit a fighter's record by saying he beat "bums, journeyman and has-beens", but it needs to be taken in context. I mean, most of the contenders and minor champions are built up that way, and even several of the greats have records like that.

So, since no one's saying he's got a stellar ATG resume, I dont see how it's relevant that his top wins aren't amazing. As someone pointed out, Vitali Klitschko had a weak resume too.

I think Lyle would be at least 50-50 or outright favoured over the likes of Rahman, Moorer, McCall, Tucker, Page, Leon & Mike Spinks, Douglas, Thomas, Weaver, Tate, Tubbs, Coetzee, Bruno, and Bruce Seldon of course.

I'd favour the following guys to beat him, but he'd be bound to pull an upset among them :
He'd have a good chance against the Klitschkos, he'd certainly have a go, and against Lennox Lewis. And Bowe.
He'd very possibly give Larry Holmes a very hard fight, and might upset both Holyfield and Tyson.

Lyle was a good contender.

BTW, can someone elaborate on how "shot" Bonavena was when Lyle beat him ?

This is probably the best and most balanced post yet in this thread.

mattdonnellon
10-06-2010, 04:52 PM
I think he'd beat Hart in a great fight, Burns too probably, Willard, Carnera, Braddock, L.Spinks, and be competive with a slew of "champions" after that eg Bruno(another great contest) Seldon Hide Page McCall Rachman Valuev Ruiz off the top of my head he beats and the Tate, Tubbs, Weaver, Tucker lot he might get the odd win against.
He turned pro so late he never developed as he might have but to me he is one of the easiest guys to rate on his achievments-around good contender level Peralta, Bugner, Bonavena attest to that and the Quarry loss caps it. He's probably above Shaver who is himself overated.

mattdonnellon
10-06-2010, 04:56 PM
Lyle was a bit better than some here are giving him credit for.

It's easy to discredit a fighter's record by saying he beat "bums, journeyman and has-beens", but it needs to be taken in context. I mean, most of the contenders and minor champions are built up that way, and even several of the greats have records like that.

So, since no one's saying he's got a stellar ATG resume, I dont see how it's relevant that his top wins aren't amazing. As someone pointed out, Vitali Klitschko had a weak resume too.

I think Lyle would be at least 50-50 or outright favoured over the likes of Rahman, Moorer, McCall, Tucker, Page, Leon & Mike Spinks, Douglas, Thomas, Weaver, Tate, Tubbs, Coetzee, Bruno, and Bruce Seldon of course.

I'd favour the following guys to beat him, but he'd be bound to pull an upset among them :
He'd have a good chance against the Klitschkos, he'd certainly have a go, and against Lennox Lewis. And Bowe.
He'd very possibly give Larry Holmes a very hard fight, and might upset both Holyfield and Tyson.

Lyle was a good contender.

BTW, can someone elaborate on how "shot" Bonavena was when Lyle beat him ?
He was shot later......

cuchulain
10-07-2010, 10:55 PM
He was shot later......

And Lyle was shot (or was it knifed ?) long before he faced Bonavena.:yep

he grant
10-07-2010, 11:11 PM
Lyle was a good contender but let's not get carried away. The only ranked boxer he ever beat was Shavers, who was very erratic and could be upset by anyone.... actually, instead of "upset", you could say "be beat", because outside of his humongous power, he had very few top boxer's qualities.


Let's also look at him fairly ... he did not turn pro until very late in his 20's .. he had very little amateur background. He also suffered a near fatal stabbing that had effects on his overall ability ... Lyle could have been far greater if his cards fell together in a luckier order.

Boilermaker
10-08-2010, 02:13 AM
I think he'd beat Hart in a great fight, Burns too probably, Willard, Carnera, Braddock, L.Spinks, and be competive with a slew of "champions" after that eg Bruno(another great contest) Seldon Hide Page McCall Rachman Valuev Ruiz off the top of my head he beats and the Tate, Tubbs, Weaver, Tucker lot he might get the odd win against.
He turned pro so late he never developed as he might have but to me he is one of the easiest guys to rate on his achievments-around good contender level Peralta, Bugner, Bonavena attest to that and the Quarry loss caps it. He's probably above Shaver who is himself overated.

Stylistically, he might be a pretty good chance against Jim Corbett, dont you think?

mattdonnellon
10-08-2010, 05:34 AM
Would he be quick eneough? He has the other tools, size, power maybe stamina...

McGrain
10-08-2010, 05:38 AM
Dude never knocked out a ranked fighter. Don't really see any reason to favour him over any champions. Maybe some of the worse belt-holders.