GSP vs Anderson Silva

[vegasdude]

I would like to see this fight. :happy What is stopping this fight from happening? :huh

[sugarngold]

I would like to see this fight as well. Seems like a logical choice since they've both emphatically defended their belts.

[Sweet Pea]

I just can't see GSP winning. Honestly, how does he avoid catching anything big for 5 rounds? Anyone saying GSP will simply take him down and control him for 5 rounds straight is delusional.

[Boinko]

Yah, not really a good idea for GSP. He should concentrate on being the welterweight champ for as long as possible. I don't think anyone should feel compelled to move up in weight if they aren't comfortable doing so. This isn't boxing where jumping to the next division means gaining 5-7 pounds. (although I'm not implying that's necessarily easy either).

[achillesthegreat]

My fear is size. If GSP was 6 foot then he'd rip Anderson up. Anderson is a slim 185 who can carry 205. GSP is a built 170.

[tri-pod]

I don't see anyway for GSP to win this fight. It would be an exciting fight but I just don't see him coming away with the "W".

[jimmie]

Id pick GSP to win I cant imagine Silvas weak takedown defense holding up agianst GSP whos probablly the best wrestler in MMA and by far the best without a actual wrestling background. On the ground hes as good as it gets at passing guard,striking on the ground and his submissions are high level as well. IMO GSP mauls him.

[Grievesy]

I would like to see this fight. :happy What is stopping this fight from happening? :huh

What's stopping it is the fact that GSP would get KTFO. He's great and all but it would be like BJ moving up to WW. Except GSP doesn't end it on his terms.

[québecwarrior]

I want that fight

[vegasdude]

What's stopping it is the fact that GSP would get KTFO. He's great and all but it would be like BJ moving up to WW. Except GSP doesn't end it on his terms.

Don't be so sure... I think GSP is skilled enough on the ground to make it competitive and even come up with a win.

[Mob]

GSP doesn't have the power or chin to beat Silva over 5 rounds. He may well be able to keep Silva on his back most of the time....and that is the only way I see him beating Andrson.

At some point, Silva lands a shot(hands, feet, elbow or knee) that stuns him bad, and Silva finishes him imo.

[Monoxide]

I've heard that GSP doesn't want the fight right now. Says he'd need time to gain weight and what not.

[chimba]

GSP wouldnt dare take this fight, this wont be good for Canada

[zarman]

gsp is too small but if anyone can do it he can

[cloud_cyc]

theres too much of a size difference..

[Kestrel]

How tall is GSP and Anderson?

[québecwarrior]

GSP wouldnt dare take this fight, this wont be good for Canada
shut up dumbass

[BoxingFanNo1]

How tall is GSP and Anderson?

GSP'S 5'10
Silva's 6'2

GSP would have to put on 15lbs for it to happen, no easy feat when he's happy at 170.

As for why it's a difficult one to make:

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IMO Silva vs Machida's is a more even fight.

[achillesthegreat]

If GSP puts on 15lbs of muscle, he'll look like the Alves of 185 division. Unless, he puts on the weight by not drying out but then he'd be too small. Plus, Silva is now cutting from a healthy 205 fighter. Maybe let Silva grow into 205 more so he can't make 185 easy then it might even the playing field.

[Bill Butcher]

Silva would beat GSP easier than GSP beat Penn, then the p4p lists would be all fucked up again because the only reason GSP is ahead of Penn p4p is because he dominated him in a h2h match, both are equally dominant in their own class but if Silva brutalized GSP in a h2h, maybe BJ should regain 3rd spot with GSP taking Penn`s 4th place spot (Fedor & Silva being 1 & 2)... Just a thought.

[Grievesy]

Don't be so sure... I think GSP is skilled enough on the ground to make it competitive and even come up with a win.

Skilled enough to make it competitive maybe. But he ain't knocking Silva out and I don't think he'd sub him. Which means he has to lay on Silva for 5 rounds which also won't happen because he'll be the smaller man, he'll have problems keeping him down for the whole time. The only way I can see this fight going is GSP getting KOed.

Which is no slight on GSP. He is the best WW of all time and a top 3 p4p fighter (maybe top 2 even), but jumping up to 185 to fight Silva is a step too far. I think he'd struggle with some lesser guys aswell personally.

[achillesthegreat]

If he can take him down and keep him down he can win. It immediately neutralises Silvas height, reach, power and striking.

[chimba]

If he can take him down and keep him down he can win. It immediately neutralises Silvas height, reach, power and striking.


You guys are missing the point. Taking him down is reality, keeping him down is fantasy.

The point is this, and its simple. If this fight is standing for 30 seconds or more. Theres a KO on the way.

Now the question is, can GSP keep Anderson Silva down with his long painful guard for 25 minutes straight? Or you see some stalling tactics by Anderson so the ref stands it up from time to time?

GSP fans wishing this should heed what Bill Butcher says, if GSP gets demolished, BJ Penn can claim p4p status ahead of GSP.

[Grievesy]

You guys are missing the point. Taking him down is reality, keeping him down is fantasy.

The point is this, and its simple. If this fight is standing for 30 seconds or more. Theres a KO on the way.

Now the question is, can GSP keep Anderson Silva down with his long painful guard for 25 minutes straight? Or you see some stalling tactics by Anderson so the ref stands it up from time to time?

GSP fans wishing this should heed what Bill Butcher says, if GSP gets demolished, BJ Penn can claim p4p status ahead of GSP.

Exactly!!!

[chimba]

Exactly!!!


Its a free forum, people can miss the point if they want.:good

[Grievesy]

Its a free forum, people can miss the point if they want.:good

Indeed. But hey, someones gotta set 'em straight.

[achillesthegreat]

You guys are missing the point. Taking him down is reality, keeping him down is fantasy.

The point is this, and its simple. If this fight is standing for 30 seconds or more. Theres a KO on the way.

Now the question is, can GSP keep Anderson Silva down with his long painful guard for 25 minutes straight? Or you see some stalling tactics by Anderson so the ref stands it up from time to time?

GSP fans wishing this should heed what Bill Butcher says, if GSP gets demolished, BJ Penn can claim p4p status ahead of GSP.

The reality is that both are opinion.

In this fight lay the moniker of the best fighter to ever do it should GSP win.

[codeman99998]

You guys are missing the point. Taking him down is reality, keeping him down is fantasy.

The point is this, and its simple. If this fight is standing for 30 seconds or more. Theres a KO on the way.

Now the question is, can GSP keep Anderson Silva down with his long painful guard for 25 minutes straight? Or you see some stalling tactics by Anderson so the ref stands it up from time to time?

GSP fans wishing this should heed what Bill Butcher says, if GSP gets demolished, BJ Penn can claim p4p status ahead of GSP.

GSP could win by submission and it certainly isn't IMPOSSIBLE for him to hold Silva down the whole fight.

Silva is definitely the better fighter standing, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if GSP could hang with him ENOUGH to not get KOd if the fight is standing for 30 seconds.

I pick Anderson to win, but I don't think you can just discount a fighter like GSP as having no shot to win the fight. If any 170lber, ever, moved up to fight Silva, GSP has the best chance.

[chimba]

The reality is that both are opinion.

In this fight lay the moniker of the best fighter to ever do it should GSP win.

It is reality,

No one has ever held Silva down for 25 minutes straight. I dont think any fighter in history has been pinned down for such a long time without the fight being stood up at some point of the other.

The difference is, even after they stood the fight up, the guy that was given a break usually does nothing. Silva can do something, his reach advantage is immense. This is the guy who after the first round, Hendo couldnt take down.

Even GSPs opponents has managed to get it standing one way or the other.. Alves, Koscheck, Fitch managed to get it standing back up even without a great guard. You think Silva whos 20 pounds heavier and certainly better at bjj than those guys will be held throughout a 25 minute fight?

[chimba]

GSP could win by submission and it certainly isn't IMPOSSIBLE for him to hold Silva down the whole fight.

Silva is definitely the better fighter standing, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if GSP could hang with him ENOUGH to not get KOd if the fight is standing for 30 seconds.

I pick Anderson to win, but I don't think you can just discount a fighter like GSP as having no shot to win the fight. If any 170lber, ever, moved up to fight Silva, GSP has the best chance.

No.. GSP is not a submission specialist, hes a wrestler who grinds out victories thru positioning. Who has GSP submitted but a prone Trigg and Hughes? You think hed submit Silva whos last submission loss was 5 years ago??

Also yes it is impossible to hold anyone down the whole fight, let alone a guy who fights a huge 205 (Forrest) and looks just as big.

[québecwarrior]

It is reality,

No one has ever held Silva down for 25 minutes straight. I dont think any fighter in history has been pinned down for such a long time without the fight being stood up at some point of the other.

The difference is, even after they stood the fight up, the guy that was given a break usually does nothing. Silva can do something, his reach advantage is immense. This is the guy who after the first round, Hendo couldnt take down.

Even GSPs opponents has managed to get it standing one way or the other.. Alves, Koscheck, Fitch managed to get it standing back up even without a great guard. You think Silva whos 20 pounds heavier and certainly better at bjj than those guys will be held throughout a 25 minute fight?
Get your facts straight GSP's reach is 76 and Anderson is 77.5. That's an advantage, but an immense? No, if you are training in some standing art, you know that.

Alves, Koschek and Fitch are all guy who are crazy strong from the hips, they all have great core strenght. Silva when he is on his back, DONT explose like that to get the fight standing. Lutter, Hendo, Marquardt, Okami etc it was the end of the round OR the ref who did let them go back standing.
Its all come down to, how GSP would deal with Anderson's guard. Can he pass it and work enough to not get back up.

Oh and why don't you bring the same argument over and over that GSP's face was messed up a little bit after the Fitch fight to show that GSP can avoid the knock out vs Silva? lol, you still dont acknowledge the fact that GSP's skin is paper thin, like Fedor. GSP has one of the best ratio to not being touched. Oh and, stop talking like after 30 seconds, its over for GSP if the fight is still standing. Franklin was able to survive all the early exchanges in the 2nd fight and even landed a big left hand. Lol, if Franklin can land on Silva, GSP can, and its enough to set up his takedown. Cote, Leites, were all able to not being knocked out. You think GSP is an idiot and cant do this? GSP can be as defensive as Leites and time his takedown perfectly. Silva has no chance in hell to stop a takedown from GSP. GSP dont want to trade with Silva, ans he don't need to. Silva will be on his back in the first minute. You probably are one of those guy who think Silva will counter GSP's takedown with a knee:lol:.

Silva will win if he avoid GSP to pass his guard.
It's a fifty fifty fight for me. Silva's body triangle is great

[BoxingFanNo1]

The point is this, and its simple. If this fight is standing for 30 seconds or more. Theres a KO on the way.

:-(

A man of GSP's stature knows Silvas strengths and would train to suit.
To suggest GSP couldn't keep out of range of Silva for less than 30 seconds is a ridiculous statement.

I agree Silva's the big favourite but to say GSP couldn't last 30 seconds??? Jeez.....

[Sarah]

GSP is too small guys shesh

[BoxingFanNo1]

GSP is too small guys shesh

If a bulked 190lb BJ Penn can last the distance with a natural 220lb Machida I don't see how a bulked up 185lb GSP (say 190 fight night) would be too small for a 185lb (say 195-200 fight night) Silva.

This fight would still be competitive imo. GSP's ground game is good enough to cause Silva trouble but as been stated by others, standing I give him little chance.

[Polymath]

I 220lb Machida

I've heard Machida doesnt cut weight to make 205.


Anyway, the little guy gets smashed into orbit. Hes smaller than Dan Henderson, doesn't have the chin and power threat to get into range, and is nowhere near the wrestler. Hendo can beat him, noone else at 85.

[chimba]

No arguing back and forth, lets just hope GSP takes the fight.

[achillesthegreat]

It is reality,

No one has ever held Silva down for 25 minutes straight. I dont think any fighter in history has been pinned down for such a long time without the fight being stood up at some point of the other.

The difference is, even after they stood the fight up, the guy that was given a break usually does nothing. Silva can do something, his reach advantage is immense. This is the guy who after the first round, Hendo couldnt take down.

Even GSPs opponents has managed to get it standing one way or the other.. Alves, Koscheck, Fitch managed to get it standing back up even without a great guard. You think Silva whos 20 pounds heavier and certainly better at bjj than those guys will be held throughout a 25 minute fight?

What you've got wrong is you are thinking I expect GSP to take him down for 25 mins. GSP never has or will do that because he is versatile. Even against Alves, he was boxing, keeping him turning etc so when he does go for the takedown Alves was not ready.

Kongo v Cain was on the floor for a hell of a long time.

Of course the fight will be stood up but GSP has good stand up and will try to keep safe until he can find the next take down.

Hendo is good but GSP is special. If GSP was the same size as Silva, I'd pick him bar a ko punch or something.

[achillesthegreat]

I need to see them stand next to each other.

For example, I once thought Hatton and Cotto would be too stocky for Pac but when he stood next to them they barely looked bigger.

I think Silva is 6'2 but I'm not 100% certain of GSP height. He could be 5'9 or 5'10. Most say 5'10 but not sure.

[québecwarrior]

I need to see them stand next to each other.

For example, I once thought Hatton and Cotto would be too stocky for Pac but when he stood next to them they barely looked bigger.

I think Silva is 6'2 but I'm not 100% certain of GSP height. He could be 5'9 or 5'10. Most say 5'10 but not sure.
GSP is definatly between 5'10 and 5'11. I was next to him. The guys still has room on his body to bulk.

[Stoo]

Well in the build up to GSP V BJ I seem to remember both Jardine & Evans sayin GSP takes them down all the time in training, so it's not impossable to say he can take Anderson down

[MaliSlamusrex]

Silva win via ktfo.

[Beebs]

I just can't see GSP winning. Honestly, how does he avoid catching anything big for 5 rounds? Anyone saying GSP will simply take him down and control him for 5 rounds straight is delusional.


Well it's no like GSP is a lay and pray guy; he has a very dangerous grappling game, both sub and GnP, especially form top. GSP can finish anybody on the ground if things go his way.

Don't get me wrong Im not saying it would be easy or even picking GSP, but holding him down for 5 rounds would not be the only way to win. Furthermore, if it did down to having to do that, it's not impossible, he's got the gas, the takedowns, and the grappling skill to stay out of subs.

Also his striking is very good, not as good as Silvas, but when he actually does strike he does it very well; good jab, great kicks, and the best superman punches in the game (remember the wild superman jab to left hook to leg kick thing he did to Serra?). He is just smart enough to realize that he has a bigger advantage using his great grappling more often.



That post was all for GSP, but let me again be clear that Im not really saying he would win or not, just giving a breakdown of why he COULD. I'll try to make a case for Silva soon.

[MaliSlamusrex]

I will make the case for Silva.

He has better striking.
He is much bigger
He is much stronger.

GSP's conditioning wins a lot of fights because he overwhelms fighters his own size with wrestling, he is not going to be able to do that against Silva, the guy walks around at 215lb ish

If GSP fought Silva 100 times I think Silva would win 78 times

Well it's no like GSP is a lay and pray guy; he has a very dangerous grappling game, both sub and GnP, especially form top. GSP can finish anybody on the ground if things go his way.

Don't get me wrong Im not saying it would be easy or even picking GSP, but holding him down for 5 rounds would not be the only way to win. Furthermore, if it did down to having to do that, it's not impossible, he's got the gas, the takedowns, and the grappling skill to stay out of subs.

Also his striking is very good, not as good as Silvas, but when he actually does strike he does it very well; good jab, great kicks, and the best superman punches in the game (remember the wild superman jab to left hook to leg kick thing he did to Serra?). He is just smart enough to realize that he has a bigger advantage using his great grappling more often.



That post was all for GSP, but let me again be clear that Im not really saying he would win or not, just giving a breakdown of why he COULD. I'll try to make a case for Silva soon.

[Vanboxingfan]

If they fought, being a proud Canadian, my heart would be for GSP but unfortunately, my money would be on Silva. P$P I think they are basically even, but if they got in the ring together, I think Silva's style would be hard for GSP to overcome. I advantage standing up for me clearly goes to Silva, on the ground it goes to GSP, but that was the same with Hendo, and I personally think in some respects he a good proxy for GSP. In fact, I would love to see those two get in the ring together.

[achillesthegreat]

GSP is definatly between 5'10 and 5'11. I was next to him. The guys still has room on his body to bulk.

The closer he is to 5'11, the more chance I give him.

[dublynflya]

Get your facts straight GSP's reach is 76 and Anderson is 77.5. That's an advantage, but an immense? No, if you are training in some standing art, you know that.

Alves, Koschek and Fitch are all guy who are crazy strong from the hips, they all have great core strenght. Silva when he is on his back, DONT explose like that to get the fight standing. Lutter, Hendo, Marquardt, Okami etc it was the end of the round OR the ref who did let them go back standing.
Its all come down to, how GSP would deal with Anderson's guard. Can he pass it and work enough to not get back up.

Oh and why don't you bring the same argument over and over that GSP's face was messed up a little bit after the Fitch fight to show that GSP can avoid the knock out vs Silva? lol, you still dont acknowledge the fact that GSP's skin is paper thin, like Fedor. GSP has one of the best ratio to not being touched. Oh and, stop talking like after 30 seconds, its over for GSP if the fight is still standing. Franklin was able to survive all the early exchanges in the 2nd fight and even landed a big left hand. Lol, if Franklin can land on Silva, GSP can, and its enough to set up his takedown. Cote, Leites, were all able to not being knocked out. You think GSP is an idiot and cant do this? GSP can be as defensive as Leites and time his takedown perfectly. Silva has no chance in hell to stop a takedown from GSP. GSP dont want to trade with Silva, ans he don't need to. Silva will be on his back in the first minute. You probably are one of those guy who think Silva will counter GSP's takedown with a knee:lol:.

Silva will win if he avoid GSP to pass his guard.
It's a fifty fifty fight for me. Silva's body triangle is great

If this is a "Fifty-fifty" fight i'd love someone to give me evens Anderson Silva!! There is a reason that GSP has not already (Seriously) requested this fight (And it is up to him to "Move up" and challenge Anderson) and the obvious conclusion is that he, Greg Jackson & co don't really fancy it (And I don't blame them! At this time, it is the smart play!!). Please consider this: Had the 185 division been ruled by a less dominant champ, would GSP (Who does not have any serious challengers to his title, that he has not already beat) have not already requested (And been granted) a 185 title shot? The fact is that the 185 division is ruled not only by the (Probable) p4p best fighter on Earth, but a large 185 fighter (As proved by his recent forays into the 205 division). Please consider this also: Had Machida (Anderson's good friend) not received the decision against Shogun, how long do you think it would have took Anderson to request a 205 title shot? GSP is a truly great fighter and I have been a fan of his long before it was fashionable to be so, but, would you rather watch a great champion dominate his division or watch him (In all likelyhood) get (Potentially) hammered by a bigger (Also great) champion (Ala GSP Vs Penn)?