The Hatton / Tszyu night

[jexdd]

So this is Hatton's crown jewel fight thus far in his pretty lenghtly career .. What's the common consenus? I remember a very ugly, catch and grab fight where Hatton used everything to gain a unfair advantage - minus wraping barbwire around his gloves. His cling-on & bang-away style was as bad in this fight as the last few rounds of his Urango night.. The intentional low blow he laid after the break was a foul only second to Zab laying into Mayweather... actually it was worse b/c Tszyu has always been a class act and no way deserved it. The ref obviously gave Tszyu time to recover but no penalty to the Hitman.

This fight was more of a rugby skirmish than boxing. Yet he still makes these audacious comments about PBF being boring/unwatchable when this fight is hardly a FOTY. I really hope Mayweather doesnt fall prey to these IMO lowbrow tactics and wins every minute of every round.

[Ray_Robinson]

Tszyu was past his prime and Hatton knew he could wear him down with his clinch and punch style, credit to Hatton for knowing how to beat Tszyu then going out and doing it though. Hatton is no where near as boring PBF and I hope he beats him, though its unlikely.

[nulty]

I saw and enthralling battle. The hatton low blow came after Kostya had gotten away with repeated low blows (hatton in his book says he throw that shot knowing the referee couldn't take a point given he hadn't warned Kostya.)

It's noticable that Kostya hasn't moaned and says he was beaten by the better fighter.

[GazOC]

I thought it was a great fight to watch, Hatton stuck close to Zoo to try to force him to fight a decent pace and nullify the right cross.

It was certainly a better fight than Mayweather-Oscar..

[Strike]

He was so past his best that he had just wiped out Mitchell without breaking a sweat and EVERYONE here picked him to win inside 3 rounds. Then he loses in a very similar manner to how he picked up his other loss...basically dragged deep and run ragged and suddenly he becomes old and shot.

The man himself maintains he was beaten by the better fighter on the night. But hey revisionism is great.

[Dantes]

I'm a huge Tszyu fan, and underated Hatton drastically. That fight was very intense, and a lot of people overlook the punishment Hatton took to get to KT and work his inside.

It was as simple as Hatton wanted it more and took it from Tszyu. As for KT quitting on the stool, it seemed right at the time- sometimes a fights not worth your life. Look at Mclellan.:thumbsup

[sonny73]

So this is Hatton's crown jewel fight thus far in his pretty lenghtly career .. What's the common consenus? I remember a very ugly, catch and grab fight where Hatton used everything to gain a unfair advantage - minus wraping barbwire around his gloves. His cling-on & bang-away style was as bad in this fight as the last few rounds of his Urango night.. The intentional low blow he laid after the break was a foul only second to Zab laying into Mayweather... actually it was worse b/c Tszyu has always been a class act and no way deserved it. The ref obviously gave Tszyu time to recover but no penalty to the Hitman.

This fight was more of a rugby skirmish than boxing. Yet he still makes these audacious comments about PBF being boring/unwatchable when this fight is hardly a FOTY. I really hope Mayweather doesnt fall prey to these IMO lowbrow tactics and wins every minute of every round. And yet its still better than any one of Mayweathers or Cottos wins if you believe the ring magazine ratings or the Australian media or the European media lol.

[divac]

I'm a huge Tszyu fan, and underated Hatton drastically. That fight was very intense, and a lot of people overlook the punishment Hatton took to get to KT and work his inside.

It was as simple as Hatton wanted it more and took it from Tszyu. As for KT quitting on the stool, it seemed right at the time- sometimes a fights not worth your life. Look at Mclellan.:thumbsup

Well said!:good

Tszyu was still capable, but he guaged everything correctly imo.
He guaged that he was getting beaten down and worn down by the younger hurgrier fighter......and with a family to go home too, at that point in a great fighters career, you weigh heavily whether further punishment is really necessary.

[gatorage]

Tszyu wasn't the same fighter that stepped into the ring against Mitchell in the rematch for mine. For mine it's a fight that Tszyu maybe could have won but shows two fighters at two very different places in their careers.

Tszyu had come off one of his highest profile wins in the Mitchell rematch, started talking retirement and big money only fights. His trainer tells him to retire. Instead Tszyu signs a further two fight deal. He's thinking a tune-up and mentions De La Hoya and Gatti. Moneytime.

Hatton's camp realises this is the chance of a lifetime. Temp an aging champ whose motivation is a big paycheque to sign a fight 1) in manchester 2) at a strange time 3) with a local ref who is clearly on Hatton's side

I take nothing away from Hatton here, Tszyu signed up but seemed happy to have every condition against him. Tszyu was over-confident and I'm sure his promoter was telling him he'll knock out the guy in four rounds and they'll be talking with Oscar about venues.

Tszyu has a reasonable training camp, but needs to wear a sweatsuit for the week before the fight cause of weight issues, fails to make weight on the first attempt, worrying for a fitness fanatic, and looks unfocused in comparison to his last few fights.

First three rounds Hatton nearly pulls Tszyu's right arm off, leads with his head (best 'punch' of the fight is a Hatton headbutt that knocks Tszyu back into the ropes), clinches, rabbit punches, wrestles and a decidely worrying point for Tszyu is Hatton nodding at times to the ref when he wants to break up a clinch. Tszyu is up against it.

For his part, Tszyu fights dumb. He is happy to try and fight on the inside with Hatton thinking he will beat the guy at his own game. His corner tells him to create some distance, keep Hatton off with a stiff jab and throw the right more. Tszyu doesn't. His ego has got the better of him.

End of round four Tszyu suddenly realises he's getting tired. Actually think that Tszyu also knocked Hatton down from a bodypunch although it was ruled low. Hatton certainly doesn't act like it was low. Round five he starts trying to get some distance and round six lands the jab better. Probably his best two rounds of the fight, but he's breathing heavily from an open mouth and his straight right has barely been sighted. I felt at this stage of the fight, Tszyu has had a realisation that Hatton is really here to fight.

Tszyu has expended way too much energy at the start of the fight, isn't throwing the right, and looks absolutely exhausted. He's competitive but as the rounds go on Hatton looks like he's getting stronger while Tszyu continues to fade. I'll get hammered here for this comment but for mine you can see that Tszyu is the better and more accurate boxer but his stamina is just not there and he can't keep Hatton off him.

The low-blow in the ninth, one of the hardest I can recall seeing, pretty much seals the deal for Hatton. Anyone who says it was just Hatton paying Tszyu back is biased. It was clearly a blow from a fighter who knows the ref isn't going to take away a point. Home town advantage.

The corner asks Tszyu at the end of the tenth whether he wants to stop. Tszyu doesn't say anything. He looks dazed and exhausted. Gets beat up in round eleven, trainer Lewis stops the fight, Tszyu doesn't protest.

Tszyu says he was beaten by the better fighter. His trainer Lewis says 'We were an old fighter in the ring tonight. It's time to retire.'

Tszyu retires.

Hatton's camp says 'We got Tszyu at the right time' (an admittance they knew the guy was at the end of his career) and then say 'There will be no rematch.'

It was an ugly fight that favoured Hatton and I personally would have liked to have seen it held in America but at the end of the day it was Tszyu's choice as much as Hatton's. He knew what he was doing and props to him for showing absolute class in losing. I don't think I've seen such a graceful person in defeat. If anyone could have used some excuses Tszyu had them in handfuls and could have yelled for a rematch.

Harris should take a leaf out of Tszyu's book.

Anyway, I've written too much.

[brooklyn1550]

A very good and very dirty fight. Hatton was the better man that night. He was so determined and took some big punches to get at Tszyu. His best/defining moment so far.

[divac]

Tszyu wasn't the same fighter that stepped into the ring against Mitchell in the rematch for mine. For mine it's a fight that Tszyu maybe could have won but shows two fighters at two very different places in their careers.

Tszyu had come off one of his highest profile wins in the Mitchell rematch, started talking retirement and big money only fights. His trainer tells him to retire. Instead Tszyu signs a further two fight deal. He's thinking a tune-up and mentions De La Hoya and Gatti. Moneytime.

Hatton's camp realises this is the chance of a lifetime. Temp an aging champ whose motivation is a big paycheque to sign a fight 1) in manchester 2) at a strange time 3) with a local ref who is clearly on Hatton's side

I take nothing away from Hatton here, Tszyu signed up but seemed happy to have every condition against him. Tszyu was over-confident and I'm sure his promoter was telling him he'll knock out the guy in four rounds and they'll be talking with Oscar about venues.

Tszyu has a reasonable training camp, but needs to wear a sweatsuit for the week before the fight cause of weight issues, fails to make weight on the first attempt, worrying for a fitness fanatic, and looks unfocused in comparison to his last few fights.

First three rounds Hatton nearly pulls Tszyu's right arm off, leads with his head (best 'punch' of the fight is a Hatton headbutt that knocks Tszyu back into the ropes), clinches, rabbit punches, wrestles and a decidely worrying point for Tszyu is Hatton nodding at times to the ref when he wants to break up a clinch. Tszyu is up against it.

For his part, Tszyu fights dumb. He is happy to try and fight on the inside with Hatton thinking he will beat the guy at his own game. His corner tells him to create some distance, keep Hatton off with a stiff jab and throw the right more. Tszyu doesn't. His ego has got the better of him.

End of round four Tszyu suddenly realises he's getting tired. Actually think that Tszyu also knocked Hatton down from a bodypunch although it was ruled low. Hatton certainly doesn't act like it was low. Round five he starts trying to get some distance and round six lands the jab better. Probably his best two rounds of the fight, but he's breathing heavily from an open mouth and his straight right has barely been sighted. I felt at this stage of the fight, Tszyu has had a realisation that Hatton is really here to fight.

Tszyu has expended way too much energy at the start of the fight, isn't throwing the right, and looks absolutely exhausted. He's competitive but as the rounds go on Hatton looks like he's getting stronger while Tszyu continues to fade. I'll get hammered here for this comment but for mine you can see that Tszyu is the better and more accurate boxer but his stamina is just not there and he can't keep Hatton off him.

The low-blow in the ninth, one of the hardest I can recall seeing, pretty much seals the deal for Hatton. Anyone who says it was just Hatton paying Tszyu back is biased. It was clearly a blow from a fighter who knows the ref isn't going to take away a point. Home town advantage.

The corner asks Tszyu at the end of the tenth whether he wants to stop. Tszyu doesn't say anything. He looks dazed and exhausted. Gets beat up in round eleven, trainer Lewis stops the fight, Tszyu doesn't protest.

Tszyu says he was beaten by the better fighter. His trainer Lewis says 'We were an old fighter in the ring tonight. It's time to retire.'

Tszyu retires.

Hatton's camp says 'We got Tszyu at the right time' (an admittance they knew the guy was at the end of his career) and then say 'There will be no rematch.'

It was an ugly fight that favoured Hatton and I personally would have liked to have seen it held in America but at the end of the day it was Tszyu's choice as much as Hatton's. He knew what he was doing and props to him for showing absolute class in losing. I don't think I've seen such a graceful person in defeat. If anyone could have used some excuses Tszyu had them in handfuls and could have yelled for a rematch.

Harris should take a leaf out of Tszyu's book.

Anyway, I've written too much.

You say you take nothing away from Hatton, but then proceed to give out every excuse in the book on Tszyu's behalf....:lol:

In all honesty, the fact the Tszyu has stayed away from the ring, shows me that he was content with his effort.

My guess is that if Tsyzu was'nt happy with his effort for whatever reason, he would have wanted to correct it.
.....but I've got to believe with the way he comported himself before and after, that he was happy with the effort and is going to leave it at that!

[gatorage]

'You say you take nothing away from Hatton, but then proceed to give out every excuse in the book on Tszyu's behalf....'

Yep. True. Can't argue it.

[hitman_hatton1]

excellent fight.

2 bulls meeting in ring centre. :yep

[sean]

So this is Hatton's crown jewel fight thus far in his pretty lenghtly career .. What's the common consenus? I remember a very ugly, catch and grab fight where Hatton used everything to gain a unfair advantage - minus wraping barbwire around his gloves. His cling-on & bang-away style was as bad in this fight as the last few rounds of his Urango night.. The intentional low blow he laid after the break was a foul only second to Zab laying into Mayweather... actually it was worse b/c Tszyu has always been a class act and no way deserved it. The ref obviously gave Tszyu time to recover but no penalty to the Hitman.

This fight was more of a rugby skirmish than boxing. Yet he still makes these audacious comments about PBF being boring/unwatchable when this fight is hardly a FOTY. I really hope Mayweather doesnt fall prey to these IMO lowbrow tactics and wins every minute of every round.

i do not think he can as mayweather is more tricky to pin down , but i hope hatton employs those self same tactics again v mayweather .

[ThePlugInBabies]

2) at a strange time

:roll: it was 2am for both of them.

worst.excuse.ever.

[ozziebattler]

You say you take nothing away from Hatton, but then proceed to give out every excuse in the book on Tszyu's behalf....:lol:

In all honesty, the fact the Tszyu has stayed away from the ring, shows me that he was content with his effort.

My guess is that if Tsyzu was'nt happy with his effort for whatever reason, he would have wanted to correct it.
.....but I've got to believe with the way he comported himself before and after, that he was happy with the effort and is going to leave it at that!

No mate tszyu isnt content with his performance against hatton,hes just a smart man who knew it is time to call it a day with lots of cash and most importantly his health still in order.

You claim that because he didnt fight again after the loss he was HAPPY with the loss???

You havent a clue mate...

[grayggr]

:roll: it was 2am for both of them.

worst.excuse.ever.

Exactly.

The only reason the fight was 2am was to satisfy US TV paymasters so the fight could be shown at a decent time Eastern US Time. Both Hatton and Kostya had to adjust to this absurd condition imposed by the TV network (Showtime I think).

[gatorage]

Sorry, maybe I should have just said Tszyu went to the challenger's backyard and Hatton fought a fight that only a local ref would have allowed.

We saw what happened when an american ref actually told Ricky to stop holding with Collazo...he nearly got KOed in the last round.

[ron u.k.]

So this is Hatton's crown jewel fight thus far in his pretty lenghtly career .. What's the common consenus? I remember a very ugly, catch and grab fight where Hatton used everything to gain a unfair advantage - minus wraping barbwire around his gloves. His cling-on & bang-away style was as bad in this fight as the last few rounds of his Urango night.. The intentional low blow he laid after the break was a foul only second to Zab laying into Mayweather... actually it was worse b/c Tszyu has always been a class act and no way deserved it. The ref obviously gave Tszyu time to recover but no penalty to the Hitman.

This fight was more of a rugby skirmish than boxing. Yet he still makes these audacious comments about PBF being boring/unwatchable when this fight is hardly a FOTY. I really hope Mayweather doesnt fall prey to these IMO lowbrow tactics and wins every minute of every round.so the longest whinge in the history of sport goes on.:roll:

[Ray_Robinson]

so the longest whinge in the history of sport goes on.:roll:

I'm sure the whinging after Mayweather beats Hatton will be longer.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I'm sure the whinging after Mayweather beats Hatton will be longer.

i doubt it, mayweather will beat hatton clearly enough without people bitching. most brits know hattons chances are slim and we're not that whiny when we lose, just shrug our shoulders and go meh.

[GazOC]

I'm sure the whinging after Mayweather beats Hatton will be longer.

I don't think so, most Hatton fan know Mayweather is a great fighter and will be hard to beat. If Hatton does lose most fans will accept that he gave his best shot against the P4P #1 and came up short.

The reason that the Zoo 'thing' drags on around here is that most ESBers picked Zoo by very early KO, said Hatton had obsolutley no chance and were very vocal and insulting to Hatton in the process....so now, instead of just admitting they got it wrong, they're just trying make excuses why they picked the fight so badly.

[Relentless]

tszyu got his ass pounded, he is only good at beating guys like hurtado and sharmba.

[David UK]

Remember that Mayweather wanted no part of Tszyu!!

[djb2009]

I saw and enthralling battle. The hatton low blow came after Kostya had gotten away with repeated low blows (hatton in his book says he throw that shot knowing the referee couldn't take a point given he hadn't warned Kostya.)

It's noticable that Kostya hasn't moaned and says he was beaten by the better fighter.

Beautiful I was just about to say this. The guy who started this thread should watch the fight again and pay attention this time

[ron u.k.]

the whingers are never going to let it drop.they are are a pathetic bunch.they should be supporting netball or something,a non contact sport for girls.what they would have made of rocky marciano lord only knows.

[Caper]

Zoo never faired well against pressure fighters, Hattons style (though extremely unappealing) is very effective against pure boxer/punchers like Zoo. The fact that Zoo was in his mid to late 30's didn't help but really didn't play much of a factor when thinking about how Zoo reacts to guys that smother him. I'm not a fan of Hatton's style but he is a determined hunger warrior which should be respected.

[BaronBrad]

[/b]

Beautiful I was just about to say this. The guy who started this thread should watch the fight again and pay attention this time


Don't think it would make any difference. He is so biased and blind to reality that he only sees what he wants and then bores us all with his non-adjective comments.

Hatton wanted it more and Hatton gave as good as he got. To talk about the low blow and fail to state that he was retaliating to Zoo's is silly - everyone clearly knows this was Hatton saying "anything you can do, I can do better".

Bring on Mayweather.

[jexdd]

Don't think it would make any difference. He is so biased and blind to reality that he only sees what he wants and then bores us all with his non-adjective comments.

What does non-adjective mean exactly?

The fight was stylistically a nightmare and Hatton is to blame <period> Hatton got away with everything and the low blow was a nasty incident in which Hatton does not get critizied for. He showed no real class. He's just a punter of a boxer and he'll get what's coming Dec 8.

[EL BULLY]

Better fight than anything Run-away-weather has ever been in.

Tzyu and Hatton got it on and neither man complained, when Hatton got hit low he hit KT back low. Both men went at it to see who would come up short and it was Kostya.

Are you guys boxing fans or what?? What's all this 'it was dirty and nasty' bullshit. That was a fight between two gladiators, a war of attrition and the beauty of boxing is you have all these different styles and now and then you get 2 brawlers like that and sometimes you get brawler V boxer like Hatton Mayweather. It's all part of the fun.

If everyone boxed like Mayweather it would be like watching the amateurs.

[Ramshall1]

it was a bit of a sloppy fight but still entertaining. At least neither guy ran like Andre Dirrell.

[ron u.k.]

what's amazing to me throughout all of this nonsense from the whingers who consistently diss hatton for his tactics on their poor defenceless little boy,is the way they completely seem to giive tszyu an easy ride for being quite happy to quit on his stool.hatton gets all of the shit and the golden boy kosta gets off scott free,incredible.

[pipe wrenched]

I'll be honest here, I borderline hate Hatton. Having said that I never think it's fair to see people discredit him for the Tszyu win. Tszyu did NOT fight like he was shot, both fighters fought like hell and Hatton came out on top. My complaint with Tszyu in that bout was his constantly going straight back when Hatton charged him. I feel if he had done more side to side type evasion he would have faired better. Much as it hurts "IT WAS A GOOD WIN FOR HATTON."

[Sedona]

Tszyu wasn't the same fighter that stepped into the ring against Mitchell in the rematch for mine. For mine it's a fight that Tszyu maybe could have won but shows two fighters at two very different places in their careers.

Tszyu had come off one of his highest profile wins in the Mitchell rematch, started talking retirement and big money only fights. His trainer tells him to retire. Instead Tszyu signs a further two fight deal. He's thinking a tune-up and mentions De La Hoya and Gatti. Moneytime.

Hatton's camp realises this is the chance of a lifetime. Temp an aging champ whose motivation is a big paycheque to sign a fight 1) in manchester 2) at a strange time 3) with a local ref who is clearly on Hatton's side


I take nothing away from Hatton here, Tszyu signed up but seemed happy to have every condition against him. Tszyu was over-confident and I'm sure his promoter was telling him he'll knock out the guy in four rounds and they'll be talking with Oscar about venues.

Tszyu has a reasonable training camp, but needs to wear a sweatsuit for the week before the fight cause of weight issues, fails to make weight on the first attempt, worrying for a fitness fanatic, and looks unfocused in comparison to his last few fights.

First three rounds Hatton nearly pulls Tszyu's right arm off, leads with his head (best 'punch' of the fight is a Hatton headbutt that knocks Tszyu back into the ropes), clinches, rabbit punches, wrestles and a decidely worrying point for Tszyu is Hatton nodding at times to the ref when he wants to break up a clinch. Tszyu is up against it.

For his part, Tszyu fights dumb. He is happy to try and fight on the inside with Hatton thinking he will beat the guy at his own game. His corner tells him to create some distance, keep Hatton off with a stiff jab and throw the right more. Tszyu doesn't. His ego has got the better of him.

End of round four Tszyu suddenly realises he's getting tired. Actually think that Tszyu also knocked Hatton down from a bodypunch although it was ruled low. Hatton certainly doesn't act like it was low. Round five he starts trying to get some distance and round six lands the jab better. Probably his best two rounds of the fight, but he's breathing heavily from an open mouth and his straight right has barely been sighted. I felt at this stage of the fight, Tszyu has had a realisation that Hatton is really here to fight.

Tszyu has expended way too much energy at the start of the fight, isn't throwing the right, and looks absolutely exhausted. He's competitive but as the rounds go on Hatton looks like he's getting stronger while Tszyu continues to fade. I'll get hammered here for this comment but for mine you can see that Tszyu is the better and more accurate boxer but his stamina is just not there and he can't keep Hatton off him.

The low-blow in the ninth, one of the hardest I can recall seeing, pretty much seals the deal for Hatton. Anyone who says it was just Hatton paying Tszyu back is biased. It was clearly a blow from a fighter who knows the ref isn't going to take away a point. Home town advantage.

The corner asks Tszyu at the end of the tenth whether he wants to stop. Tszyu doesn't say anything. He looks dazed and exhausted. Gets beat up in round eleven, trainer Lewis stops the fight, Tszyu doesn't protest.

Tszyu says he was beaten by the better fighter. His trainer Lewis says 'We were an old fighter in the ring tonight. It's time to retire.'

Tszyu retires.

Hatton's camp says 'We got Tszyu at the right time' (an admittance they knew the guy was at the end of his career) and then say 'There will be no rematch.'

It was an ugly fight that favoured Hatton and I personally would have liked to have seen it held in America but at the end of the day it was Tszyu's choice as much as Hatton's. He knew what he was doing and props to him for showing absolute class in losing. I don't think I've seen such a graceful person in defeat. If anyone could have used some excuses Tszyu had them in handfuls and could have yelled for a rematch.

Harris should take a leaf out of Tszyu's book.

Anyway, I've written too much.

This is the best synopsis of said fight I have read.
Kostya had 5.4 million reasons to take this fight, and I can only assume that his camp knew what he was getting into. I remember a Hatton fan said, BEFORE the fight, that he couldn't believe the Tszyu camp allowed Parris to ref this contest. As of several months ago, Kostya still hadn't watched the fight...he looks forward...not backwards. I admire the Hatton fans who say that, yes, Hatton had things his way that night, but that's boxing. I admire the truth. The reason this topic keeps arising is simple...facts are stubborn.

[GazOC]

You mean the truth as you see it and the facts as you interpret them?

[JAM Killer]

This is Hatton's biggest win to date, but his fight with Floyd is his biggest fight. The Hatton/Tszyu fight was ugly, Hatton held on alot, fought extremely dirty, but he bullied Tszyu, and Tszyu was not that far past his prime, he was coming off a good win against Shambra Mitchell.

With all of that, I did become a fan of Hatton, and I was already a Tszyu fan, and I was disappointed that Tszyu quit.

[the_what]

I thought Tzyue was going to embarrass Hatton in front of his home crowd. Bastard came through in a big way. Tzyue did not look old at all. Hatton smothered his attack and didnt allow him to get of any of his huge right hands. Smart gameplan by Ricky Hatton.