View Full Version : Which of these guys do you think Hatton could beat now at 140?
JonOli
09-25-2009, 07:07 PM
It's starting to sound like Hatton may give it another go:
Which of these guys do you think Hatton could beat now at 140?
JMM
Juan Diaz
Bradley
Witter
Khan
Cotto (catch weight)
Also (away from the poll) which fight do you think he would be most tempted by?
*PS yes I know he shouldn't box on etc*
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 07:17 PM
He'd struggle with all of them. Witter is the most winnable, given the stages of their caeers, but it won't happen. I think we've seen the last of Hatton at the top table of light welter.
Losfer_Words
09-25-2009, 07:31 PM
I voted Diaz, Bradley and Witter. A quick breakdown for my choices:
JMM is an awesome counter-puncher and his style means he'd easilly eat up Hatton's pressure. Easy win for JMM, IMO.
Khan can keep him at range, off of a significantly longer jab, and steal points by getting in and out using superior speed staying on the outside, IMO.
Cotto is a beast- Hatton is not. Does anyone seriously think Hatton could hurt Cotto and take what Cotto dishes out? I don't.
There is no real reason why he'd beat Bradley if he couldn't beat Khan. Khan is a lot more vulnerable.
Losfer_Words
09-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Khan might be more vulnerable but styles make fights. The Malignaggi win was not too long ago either and Hatton looked brilliant in that fight. At this point in time, Bradley is the best of the belt holders but I still feel Hatton is still better. Bradley doesn't have a huge amount of devastating power so I'd say Hatton could give him a decent fight. That said, Hatton's punch resistance looks to have completely eroded so who the hell knows. It's just my opinion.
GazOC
09-25-2009, 07:39 PM
Witter
Khan
maybe Diaz.
antcull
09-25-2009, 07:40 PM
Witter, Diaz, Khan and maybe Bradley.
You would still have to give him a great shot at JMM....although it was Mayweather JMM still looked so much slower at 142.
The Malignaggi-Diaz fight also showed what level Diaz is at the moment and probably took some gloss of JMMs win over him....Diaz did cause him plenty of problems and probably landed harder shots on JMM than he did on Malignaggi.
But whether Hatton is still the same fighter from even the Paulie fight I dont know....how would taking off another 30 odd pounds weight again effect him? Is his punch resistance gone now?
Its a cloudy area to know what level Hatton is at currently....after Pac most say he was done, than Malignaggi looked good in gettin robbed against Diaz, so maybe he isnt quite done.
So really, I havent got a bloody clue
You could say the exact same reasonings you just said about Bradley for Khan, the logic doesn't hold up.
Khan can't break an egg, that much is clear, and he's a woeful infighter. Well, he doesn't infight he just tries to move. There is no indication of how he'd fair against Hatton, the closest he got was Michael Gomez and he didn't look too flash.
Speed? Bradley has speed. Bradley can move about too if need be, Bradley can jab. Basically Bradley has more experience and is better prepared, is more well rounded in terms of being able to deal with Hatton's strength, and where Khan is strong Bradley is no slouch either (he's not as fast or long, but he's capable in those areas).
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 07:46 PM
Bradley would have no problem with Hatton right now. The 'intelligent pressure' is a distant memory. Bradley would pick his moments and score a decent UD
Khan would do his usual jack in a box. In and out all night and score a wide UD
Cotto/Hatton would be hatton/Tzsyu all over again.
Losfer_Words
09-25-2009, 07:48 PM
When did I say Khan has power and is good on the inside?:huh Wasn't too long ago when Bradley looked average against Holt either. As I said, it's my opinion on a bunch of hypothetical scenarios- disagree if you wish, I won't be changing my mind:good.
I don't even think Bradley would box and move, or be content to do that. I think he'd just stand with Hatton and fight. Why wouldn't he? He's the much younger and fresher man and he should count on his stamina holding up MUCH better. It's not as if he's a gangly streak of piss either, he's like a tank. I can't see Hatton throwing him around.
It'd be a good fight, probaby the best on the list along with Diaz.
Witter/Khan would make for piss poor fights, Khan running and pickpocketing and Witter getting would just get embroiled in a clinchfest, Cotto is a mismatch.
When did I say Khan has power and is good on the inside?:huh Wasn't too long ago when Bradley looked average against Holt either. As I said, it's my opinion on a bunch of hypothetical scenarios- disagree if you wish, I won't be changing my mind:good.
I never said you did, they were my own opinions. All I am saying is Bradley is capable in the areas Khan excels in (he has speed, he can move if neccessary), but is noticeably more well rounded in terms of dealing with what Hatton himself brings. Just seems bizarre logic at best to think a guy that is susceptible inside is going to fair a lot better against a brawler/pressure guy than a guy that is pretty much well rounded.
You always go on the defensive, its just boxing discussion man :lol::good
kosaros
09-25-2009, 07:54 PM
I went for Khan, Witter and Diaz.
Remember the question is could he beat them now - even if you believe Khan could outbox him for every round, everyone knows that if Hatton lands a big punch it could all be over.
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 07:54 PM
I went for Khan, Witter and Diaz.
Remember the question is could he beat them now - even if you believe Khan could outbox him for every round, everyone knows that if Hatton lands a big punch it could all be over.
When was the last time hatton landed a big punch on anyone?
kosaros
09-25-2009, 07:55 PM
I never said you did, they were my own opinions. All I am saying is Bradley is capable in the areas Khan excels in (he has speed, he can move if neccessary), but is noticeably more well rounded in terms of dealing with what Hatton himself brings. Just seems bizarre logic at best to think a guy that is susceptible inside is going to fair a lot better against a brawler/pressure guy than a guy that is pretty much well rounded.
You always go on the defensive, its just boxing discussion man :lol::good
Don't I know it :yep;)
kosaros
09-25-2009, 07:56 PM
When was the last time hatton landed a big punch on anyone?
I remember it being in the Malignaggi fight - 2nd round I think?
Plus many other punches he landed throughout the fight which would have put fighters with, lets say, weaker punch resistance on the floor.
Lazcano + PM, and one right hand that he landed against Pacquiao which was a good shot. But he didn't exactly have a lot of time to display his offensive capability against Pacquiao, he was too busy exposing his glaring defensive errors.
I still think he has it offensively. He still moves as he always did, he's still got the same punches he always had in the locker. Physically he's questionable.
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 08:07 PM
I remember it being in the Malignaggi fight - 2nd round I think?
Plus many other punches he landed throughout the fight which would have put fighters with, lets say, weaker punch resistance on the floor.
I disagree. Entirely.
He looked good against malignaggi, but paulie himself admits he was shit. There was absolutely nothing coming back. Khan ain't a BIG puncher, but he's fast, accurate and weighty enough to make any fighter think twice about just walking onto his shots. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't particualrly rate Khan.
Lazcano + PM, and one right hand that he landed against Pacquiao which was a good shot. But he didn't exactly have a lot of time to display his offensive capability against Pacquiao, he was too busy exposing his glaring defensive errors.
I still think he has it offensively. He still moves as he always did, he's still got the same punches he always had in the locker. Physically he's questionable.Surely his physicality is the point. Like I said, Hatton/Tzsyu all over again (with the roles reversed). Yeah he might be able to get inside and deliver a bit, but as soon as he moves away he's toast. With Khan and bradley particularly.
That has always been the case with Hatton. Why do you think he's held on to his opponents for dear life in his career? It's a defensive method as much as anything, it means he spends less of the time forcing his way inside, which is when he's so easily hit. The more of the round he spends in close the better, and it also has the added benefit of wearing his opponent out.
So his defensive issues are nothing new, his seeming inability to take punches definitely is. Along with the fact he seems to gas earlier in the fights.
THE KNUCKLE
09-25-2009, 08:12 PM
ITS A DISGRACE THAT RICKY HATTONS BEIN LAUGHED AT IN COMPARRISON 2 THESE GUYS,HE GOT PISSED WITH THE REF IN THE FMJ FIGHT AND SEEN RED RAG WITH PAC,CANT WAIT 2 SEE HIM BACK,PAY PER VIEW SMOKES BOTH THOSE GUYS,......KHAN WILL GET MURDERED V HATTON IF IT HAPPENS,,DOUBTERS.COM:patsch:patsch
GazOC
09-25-2009, 08:13 PM
The Paulie/ Khan "comparision" isn't a good one, Khan punches a LOT stiffer than Malinaggi but he also doesn't have anywhere near the chin. Hatton would get close and stop Khan early IMHO.
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 08:17 PM
The Paulie/ Khan "comparision" isn't a good one, Khan punches a LOT stiffer than Malinaggi but he also doesn't have anywhere near the chin. Hatton would get close and stop Khan early IMHO.
I just can't agree with that right now. IMHO Hatton wuldn't get inside enough with Khan, It would be Khan in *pit pat pit pit pat* run away. Hatton tries to move inside Khan *pit pat pit pit pat* rinse and repeat for 12 rounds or till hatton falls over,
JonOli
09-25-2009, 08:20 PM
I remember it being in the Malignaggi fight - 2nd round I think?
It may not be KO punch, but it got Malignaggi hanging onto Hatton's leg a few times.
GazOC
09-25-2009, 08:20 PM
I just can't agree with that right now. IMHO Hatton wuldn't get inside enough with Khan, It would be Khan in *pit pat pit pit pat* run away. Hatton tries to move inside Khan *pit pat pit pit pat* rinse and repeat for 12 rounds or till hatton falls over,
If Hatton doesn't get inside then he'd get stopped late on, if he does get inside then Khan gets stopped early.
kosaros
09-25-2009, 08:21 PM
I just can't agree with that right now. IMHO Hatton wuldn't get inside enough with Khan, It would be Khan in *pit pat pit pit pat* run away. Hatton tries to move inside Khan *pit pat pit pit pat* rinse and repeat for 12 rounds or till hatton falls over,
Kotelnik caught Khan a few times and he is not a pressure fighter at all.
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 08:31 PM
Kotelnik caught Khan a few times and he is not a pressure fighter at all.
Yes he did, and what was the outcome?
errrmmm... Khan by massive UD as I remember it.
I was there, and I was as surprised as anyone to see Khan just move away from some solid shots.
mcguirpa
09-25-2009, 08:34 PM
If Hatton doesn't get inside then he'd get stopped late on, if he does get inside then Khan gets stopped early.
That about sums it up.
The question is how many stiff shots does Khan land before Hatton just can't get inside anymore. The mind is willing but the body is weak and all thay. I'm no Khan fan, but his handspeed is very, very good. And I'm doing him a dis-service by just calling them pit pats.
GazOC
09-25-2009, 08:41 PM
That about sums it up.
The question is how many stiff shots does Khan land before Hatton just can't get inside anymore. The mind is willing but the body is weak and all thay. I'm no Khan fan, but his handspeed is very, very good. And I'm doing him a dis-service by just calling them pit pats.
Khans power is fine (but no more than that) when he sits down on his punches but I think it will be easier for Hatton get inside than it will be for Khan to stop him doing that.
Kahn had a lot of problems with Gomez inside, and even a poor version of Hatton is better than Gomez....
kosaros
09-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Yes he did, and what was the outcome?
errrmmm... Khan by massive UD as I remember it.
I was there, and I was as surprised as anyone to see Khan just move away from some solid shots.
Hatton is a bigger puncher than Kotelnik though and he would be hitting Khan more consistently.
Maza1987
09-25-2009, 08:47 PM
quitter,
the only one he would beat.
maybe juan diaz.
JonOli
09-25-2009, 10:08 PM
I voted Diaz, Witter, Khan and Bradley:
I don't think any of those fights are totally out of the question for him to win.
Diaz: I think Ricky would have to dig in really deep against Diaz.. it may be a bit of a war. It may be pretty brutal, it depends how much fire Hatton has left as to who wins.
Bradley: Bradley could out point him, imo... but I don't think it is a formality, by any means - certainly not. There are still question marks about Bradley, he didn't look great against Holt, but compared to Hatton Bradley's fresh.
Khan: I think Hatton would still be too much for Khan, especially if he can tie him up. Khan looks like he's switched from punching to hurt, to hit to score. If Hatton could make Khan exchange, get Khan setting his feet; Khan does have a macho element about him - Hatton would probably still win such a battle... Khans chin etc.... Freddie, does he have the key to beating Hatton?
Witter: Witter is arguably even more faded now than Hatton.
Pottypete
09-25-2009, 11:33 PM
Diaz, Witter and Khan.
:happy
RafaelGonzal
09-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Hatton is through...........
mike464
09-26-2009, 11:07 AM
Just Khan
threethirteen
09-26-2009, 11:13 AM
I misvoted for the ones I thought would beat him. What a spaz.
nickythekid
09-26-2009, 11:55 AM
its impossible to know what hattons got left, pacquiao fight didn't show anything and he didn't look right physically, he definately missed kerry kayes there. i wouldn't bet on him with any of the opponents but my first thought for a realistic fight was diaz or witter, but whats the point. someone in another thread said that he was going to fight early 2010 but i thought who and what for. pointless just macho pride
saint
09-27-2009, 04:35 AM
I think he would KO Witter and Juan Diaz at 140. Khan fight would be a close one, but with Freddie in Khans corner I think Khan would do it. JMM would struggle early on but win by late KO as Rickys style is taylor made for him. Bradley would win by a close UD in a fun little scrap and Ricky would get KTFO by Cotto in the early to middle rounds.
icemax
09-27-2009, 04:48 AM
I think he would KO Witter
He might beat Witter, but there is absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that he would KO him.
China_hand_Joe
09-27-2009, 04:52 AM
Hatton would crush Marquez and Diaz.
RyDogg123
09-27-2009, 06:16 AM
JMM doesnt hit hard enuff or isnt fast enuff to beat hatton.
Juan Diaz wont go there cos hatton would maul him and run thru him
Bradley is good but i see flaws and he is getting beat by peterson in his next fight thats a guarantee, im going with ud eitherway but prime hatton kills him.
Witter is wank, hatton goes thru him. But some tricky moments obviously.
Khan would eventually be caught, if a shot gomez could im adamant hatton could!
Cotto hasnt been impressive since Margo. But i agree he has to much power for hatton now. altho hatton would of murdered him when they were both tiitle holders at 140!
widdy
09-27-2009, 09:00 AM
out of all of them i think bradley and cotto would be the hardest to beat,strong as fuck,both of em,altough if cotto comes down a few pounds,he may get beat,im still not convinced he is as good as u all make out
saint
09-27-2009, 09:15 AM
He might beat Witter, but there is absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that he would KO him.
I take your point, but there is a first time for everything. IMO I believe Witter is a spent force and his heart has been broken. I think if he fights a top 5 light welter or a half decent welter next he could well end up getting stopped.
icemax
09-27-2009, 09:20 AM
I take your point, but there is a first time for everything. IMO I believe Witter is a spent force and his heart has been broken. I think if he fights a top 5 light welter or a half decent welter next he could well end up getting stopped.
To be fair, the same could actually be said about Hatton
Grievesy
09-27-2009, 09:47 AM
Diaz, Witter and maybe Khan. I could see Khan winning if he manages to keep it on the outside all night. JMM, Bradley and Cotto all beat him imo.
saint
09-28-2009, 08:02 AM
To be fair, the same could actually be said about Hatton
Yeah it could, there would definately be an arguement for that. He has just lost to the P4P best tho rather than Alexander tho (who looked decent enough but nothing special). I just think Hatton still has enough in him, I may be proved wrong tho!
icemax
09-28-2009, 08:24 AM
Yeah it could, there would definately be an arguement for that. He has just lost to the P4P best tho rather than Alexander tho (who looked decent enough but nothing special). I just think Hatton still has enough in him, I may be proved wrong tho!
There is still probably mileage in this match up...two fighters, both damaged goods in different ways knocking lumps off of each other just for pride
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