175 lb 2nd Round-Ezzard Charles vs Roy Jones Jr

[Flea Man]

15 rounds, no reason, no vote:good

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This will be heartbreaking for some. Two ESB favourites here and both fighters match up extremely well head to head (since the elimination of Spinks and Foster I think Jones stands more of a shake since so many people have disdain for his punch resistance) but Charles was a serious puncher and a fantastic boxer, can Jones outbox one of the greatest of all time?

Will be interesting this one. I've already made up my mind but won't comment yet:good

[mcvey]

15 rounds, no reason, no vote:good

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This will be heartbreaking for some. Two ESB favourites here and both fighters match up extremely well head to head (since the elimination of Spinks and Foster I think Jones stands more of a shake since so many people have disdain for his punch resistance) but Charles was a serious puncher and a fantastic boxer, can Jones outbox one of the greatest of all time?

Will be interesting this one. I've already made up my mind but won't comment yet:good
Jones had blinding speeeeeeed ! Charles had the better fundamentals.Ezzard takes this by dec, or ,maybe even a late stoppage.

[McGrain]

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Jones has the absolutely correct style for beating Charles, a rythym-breaking style where the opponent's own rythym is not compromised. Jones could out-box Charles for huge swathes of this fight in my opinion.

On the other hand, Charles is an excellent, compact puncher who is unquestionably capable of stopping Jones. My own opinion is that Jones's chin is suspect and his late career vulnerability was nothing to do with weight-draining, but maybe i'm wrong and Jones could get out of a tough round with Charles. Based upon the chance i'm wrong i'll plump for Jones on a decision.

[Sweet Pea]

I'd take Charles by KO in the later rounds. I agree that Jones had a style that Charles, and anyone for that matter, would find very troubling. However, I think Charles's crafty punching and experience would allow him to time Jones at some point in the fight, allowing for either a one punch KO or a big shot followed by a flurry that would take Jones out. If Jones somehow did manage to survive, I think an exchange like this would give Charles the edge in the championship rounds, and he'd either hurt and finish him again or take over the decision. I'll go with the former.

[Flea Man]

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Jones has the absolutely correct style for beating Charles, a rythym-breaking style where the opponent's own rythym is not compromised. Jones could out-box Charles for huge swathes of this fight in my opinion.

On the other hand, Charles is an excellent, compact puncher who is unquestionably capable of stopping Jones. My own opinion is that Jones's chin is suspect and his late career vulnerability was nothing to do with weight-draining, but maybe i'm wrong and Jones could get out of a tough round with Charles. Based upon the chance i'm wrong i'll plump for Jones on a decision.

Maybe it's a mix of both McGrain? The weight draining allowed his reflexes to drop and thus his chin was easier to hit. A few things; one, the hook Tarver hit him with was a peach. Two, Johnson hit him around the temple when Jones was looking the other way. Jones was not right for these fights.

Personally, I think his chin was average, not great, but not china but also POSSIBLY TERRIBLE due to the fact he rarely took decent digs in his prime. I feel the weight-hopping made his legs spent, hence why he was slower of foot, easier to tag and couldn't recover.

Personally I feel it's down to whether Jones can stop Charles from establishing his jab and be in and out, peppering him with combinations and winning a decision, and also whether JOnes can keep the fight unstrenous enough that he can go the 15.

I say Charles manages to establish his jab late on and lands some serious combos that have Jones reeling. Jones, ever shrewd, covers up on the ropes with his mitts up around his head, occasionally firing back and employing lateral movement to get back into the centre of the ring and survive, winning a close, possibly disputed decision with a lot of cagey rounds early on but Charles doing the more damaging punching throughout.

Jones 9-6. Although I have no worries with it going the other way, Charles for me the best light-heavy ever, but Jones just has one of those styles.

[mcvey]

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Jones has the absolutely correct style for beating Charles, a rythym-breaking style where the opponent's own rythym is not compromised. Jones could out-box Charles for huge swathes of this fight in my opinion.

On the other hand, Charles is an excellent, compact puncher who is unquestionably capable of stopping Jones. My own opinion is that Jones's chin is suspect and his late career vulnerability was nothing to do with weight-draining, but maybe i'm wrong and Jones could get out of a tough round with Charles. Based upon the chance i'm wrong i'll plump for Jones on a decision.

I confess I had trouble with this one, and would not presume to argue with anyone voting opposite to me ,its a very tricky contest.

[Mr Butt]

I'd take Charles by KO in the later rounds. I agree that Jones had a style that Charles, and anyone for that matter, would find very troubling. However, I think Charles's crafty punching and experience would allow him to time Jones at some point in the fight, allowing for either a one punch KO or a big shot followed by a flurry that would take Jones out. If Jones somehow did manage to survive, I think an exchange like this would give Charles the edge in the championship rounds, and he'd either hurt and finish him again or take over the decision. I'll go with the former.


i know we need a reason but i agree with this post so there is no need to put the same reason further down in different words :good

[Minotauro]

Charles would stop Jones late. Roy would take the early rounds but Ezzards body attack would begin to ware Jones down and eventually stop him. Roy had a habit of lying on the ropes at light heavy which he would not get away with against Charles.

[BUDW]

Charles power to much for Roy,Ezzard ko in 6rds

[OBCboxer]

This is a tough one to pick. I'll take Jones by decision. I think he has the right style to beat Charles and he may be the only fighter I would pick over him at this weight.

[Axl_Nose]

Why are the 2 greatest light heavyweights of all time meeting in the 2nd round ??
These 2 should have been saved for at least the semi's, im guessing the poster is a huge fan of either, Archie Moore, Gene Tunney, Bob Foster or Michael Spinks ..
I think Ezzard Charles is the greatest Lightheavyweight of all time but Roy Jones at his best in the 90's could have an impossible style for anybody ..

Roy on points .. Ezzard is brilliant but Roy on his very best day is unbeatable with that unique style of his, speed kills and with those reflexes im giving him the edge on Charles ..

[My2Sense]

Charles would shut him down the way he did to Burley(twice) and then win either a lopsided decision, or (if Roy gets brave) a KO at some point.

[Flea Man]

Why are the 2 greatest light heavyweights of all time meeting in the 2nd round ??
These 2 should have been saved for at least the semi's, im guessing the poster is a huge fan of either, Archie Moore, Gene Tunney, Bob Foster or Michael Spinks ..
I think Ezzard Charles is the greatest Lightheavyweight of all time but Roy Jones at his best in the 90's could have an impossible style for anybody ..

Roy on points .. Ezzard is brilliant but Roy on his very best day is unbeatable with that unique style of his, speed kills and with those reflexes im giving him the edge on Charles ..
You thick cunt it's a random draw

[Mr Butt]

You thick cunt it's a random draw


i think your to polite :lol:

[Flea Man]

i think your to polite :lol:
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[mcvey]

You thick cunt it's a random draw

Terse, and to the point I think.:lol:.

Don't you just love the English language? :good

[Flea Man]

Terse, and to the point I think.:lol:.

Don't you just love the English language? :good

He said exactly the same thing in one of Pater's Middleweight threads. What a nob.

And yes I do, especially the way I use it :D

[mcvey]

You made me laugh Shakespeare .:lol:

[Flea Man]

you made me laugh shakespeare .:lol:

:d

[PetethePrince]

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Jones has the absolutely correct style for beating Charles, a rythym-breaking style where the opponent's own rythym is not compromised. Jones could out-box Charles for huge swathes of this fight in my opinion.

On the other hand, Charles is an excellent, compact puncher who is unquestionably capable of stopping Jones. My own opinion is that Jones's chin is suspect and his late career vulnerability was nothing to do with weight-draining, but maybe i'm wrong and Jones could get out of a tough round with Charles. Based upon the chance i'm wrong i'll plump for Jones on a decision.

:goodGreat post. I'm sticking with the safer pick with Charles. I like his power at LHW and feel he can get Jones out of their. In a 12 round contest it's a close one to call and I'd favor a Charles SD but in a 15 round contest I have Charles winning a late TKO.

[Bummy Davis]

Charles had too much power for Jones who would be the faster fighter but its a matter of time Ezzard would land the right followed by the hook and it would be the begining of the end for Jones

[Wu-Gambino]

Charles would get to him late. I think Jones is a very problematic opponent at 175 but that doesn't change the fact that Charles was leagues ahead of anyone Roy faced at the weight. Charles would be the most lethal puncher Jones would have faced throughout his entire career, and I don't know how the latter would have fared against that level of technical skill and power. Jones was supremely fast and would undoubtedly steal rounds through his sheer athletic talent, but I'm fairly confident that somewhere down the line Charles sets something up and capitalizes. Charles's ring intelligence and incredible will to win inevitably sees him through.

[Tin_Ribs]

Charles would shut him down the way he did to Burley(twice) and then win either a lopsided decision, or (if Roy gets brave) a KO at some point.

What he said. Charles by KO. Too skillful, too experienced, too good.

[PowerPuncher]

I'm probably the biggest appreciaters of Jones ability on this forum, I think few would beat him at 175 in his prime but Charles is 1 of those very few. Charles has speed and athleticism to live with Jones super human ability in those facets. He was a straighter sharper shooter, great 1-2, and timing plus rangier and this would help him neutralise Jones speed. His workrate, ability to press and rough style on the inside may drag Jones into the trenches at times. I see Jones taking early rounds but Charles taking over mid-late to win a UD or late stoppage.

Bad draw for Jones, I'd pick him over Spinks, Tunney, Moore, Greb but not Charles

[turpinr]

i also like charles in this match-up.those slashing left hooks..........awesome

[Mendoza]

15 rounds, no reason, no vote:good

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This will be heartbreaking for some. Two ESB favourites here and both fighters match up extremely well head to head (since the elimination of Spinks and Foster I think Jones stands more of a shake since so many people have disdain for his punch resistance) but Charles was a serious puncher and a fantastic boxer, can Jones outbox one of the greatest of all time?

Will be interesting this one. I've already made up my mind but won't comment yet:good


Charles to me hit too hard for Jones.

[red cobra]

Charles by a mid round knockout...for the same reasons as Robinson over Jones...I don't care that he was gifted...but quality opponents were the exception, not the norm for Jones, and this man Charles would be another kettle of fish all together for RJJ. Charles was TOUGHER and used to fighting animals, and showed his gut especially, AFTER his prime by taking it for 15 rounds with Rocky Marciano...who would have put Jones in the hospital, BTW. It would have boiled down to a "do-or-die" ending of fight, again just as Robinson would have done, by an exhibition of raw power, "old school style" that would have overwhelmed Jones. This was, also, the lightheavyweight edition of Ezzard Charles, at his very best.

[scartissue]

Charles has everything and more that Jones can throw his way. I believe it would start out fast, a battle of jabs with Jones firing a salvo or two and getting immediately countered, but harder. The hurt comes much later as Charles combos start getting to jones until he finally succumbs. Charles TKO14 over Jones.

Scartissue

[Boro chris]

Charles will be able to establish his jab early on and set up Jones for a mid rounds ko.
Jones was awesome from 160-168 lbs but was a little less overpowering at LH.

[Quick Cash]

I have not been able to follow the tournament as closely as I would have liked, sadly, so I will have to compress my thoughts on its development thus far.

First, I am supremely bewildered hearing of Spinks' elimination. Who clipped him and what was the accompanying explanation? Please direct me to the thread, anyone.

Second, I disagree with the outcome for Foster-Loughran, but, since I acknowledge Tommy's great ability and have great respect for the opinions of my fellow posters, I will not go into further detail. I don't quite remember if I gave an analysis or indeed if I even contributed input to the thread at all, but needless to say, I think Foster should win.

On the topic at hand, I admit, I find myself a little lost here. I guess the safe choice is Charles-- by late knockout. However, it must be said that Jones' natural ability would be immensely troubling for the Cobra; not only his speed, but also the variety he incorporated in his combination punching. I see Roy nabbing early rounds by leaping in and then darting right out, making Charles miss. That sequence should repeat over and over in the outset. Roy would prove to be a difficult target for a time, staying well clear of the ropes and really just outboxing the great Ezzard Charles. The deciding factor for me here is Charles' ring intelligence. I don't believe Roy can capably defend himself against what here would be the smarter man's traps. I don't believe that Roy can continue to out-box Charles for the duration. If we go by what is statistically plausible, then it has to be Charles that's declared the winner.

[teeto]

I always felt the best way to beat Charles was by putting a beating on him. I know Walcott did well against him by using unorthodox methods to disrupt his flow, but it must be noted that Charles beat him as many times as he lost to him, and he wasn't in the heart of his prime either. It's winnable for Jones, but i like Charles. The only thing is that Charles is slower, which makes me reluctant here. But Charles would do well with his jab, and combos of the short stuff to head and body when Jones leaps in with hooks etc. I reckon an explosive burst of shots ends matters late.

[Axl_Nose]

Fleaman and Gpater start these threads like they are 'random draws' .. Why are they random draws ?? because you say so, because gpater says so ?? Who are you guys, your nobody's to me .. A reputation on a boxing forum, big deal .... I think you have an agenda for the 175 tournament and Gpater had an agenda for the 160 tournament. Whether you realise it or not, it doesnt matter to me .... In each tournament Carlos Monzon was in against Roy Jones in the early rounds of the 160 tournament and now at 175 you have Ezzard Charles in with Roy Jones in the early rounds .. This suggests you both either want Roy Jones out of the tournament or the 'Tournament Favourite' out of the competition which at 160 was Monzon and at 175 was Charles .....

You guys maybe able to fool some guys on here but you aint fooling me, these tournaments are agenda based, i dont care what you say, who the hell is 'Fleaman' to me, nobody thats who ..

Random, yeah right ..... Your the nob-head Fleaman not me and anyone who buys this shit is buying into an agenda .. You cant lead Axl by the nose, because i see right through you .......

Its a 'Random' draw people, honest !!

[Axl_Nose]

People shouldnt buy this crap ..

Gpater a poster i respect, starts a new thread about a tournament at 160, in one of the early rounds he puts the greatest 160 fighter Carlos Monzon against Roy Jones. Jones should never be classed as a 160 fighter, his career suggests that you have to classify him as a 175 or 168 fighter .. But he puts him up against Monzon knowing that he is one of the only guys that obviously gives Monzon a serious problem, therefore sparking debate ....

Fleaman, starts a thread about a tournament at 175, in one of the early rounds he puts the greatest 175 fighter Ezzard Charles against Roy Jones. Knowing that Roy Jones is a guy that would give Charles all kinds of problems, therefore sparking debate ....

This is a total agenda based thread as are all 'Tournament' threads .. It is manipulation in its worst form. They always say its a 'Random' draw but that is complete bullshit .. Roy Jones Jr is tossed into the mix to make things interesting against the perceived 'Favourite' of the tournament, and the original poster knows that Roy has a style that would work against anyone hoping that the 'Favourite' goes out of the tournament so there isnt a predictable result/winner ......

Dont be fooled into thinking this is all random, its all agenda based ....

Fleaman, the day someone like you foolsl me, i'll be 96 years old !!

[Axl_Nose]

Gpater made a fatal mistake in his 160 tournament, he claimed it was a random draw but my oh my, look who the final is between - Carlos Monzon v Marvin Hagler ..... What a surprise ....

Who's betting that the 175 final is between Ezzard Charles v Michael Spinks .....

Somewere along the way, Fleaman will work it out that Bob Foster has to fight Archie Moore and the winner takes on Spinks, and Spinks just edges it .. Ezzard Charles will probably have to take on Gene Tunney at some point, whether its the Quarters or the Semi's .. Harold Johnson, John Conteh, Joey Maxim and Georges Carpentier might be in there somewere as 'opponents', but believe me, we are heading for Charles v Spinks ....

I can read this like a book !!

[JohnThomas1]

Gpater made a fatal mistake in his 160 tournament, he claimed it was a random draw but my oh my, look who the final is between - Carlos Monzon v Marvin Hagler ..... What a surprise ....

Who's betting that the 175 final is between Ezzard Charles v Michael Spinks .....

Somewere along the way, Fleaman will work it out that Bob Foster has to fight Archie Moore and the winner takes on Spinks, and Spinks just edges it .. Ezzard Charles will probably have to take on Gene Tunney at some point, whether its the Quarters or the Semi's .. Harold Johnson, John Conteh, Joey Maxim and Georges Carpentier might be in there somewere as 'opponents', but believe me, we are heading for Charles v Spinks ....

I can read this like a book !

Um, Spinks might just be out already

:lol:

[My2Sense]

Gpater made a fatal mistake in his 160 tournament, he claimed it was a random draw but my oh my, look who the final is between - Carlos Monzon v Marvin Hagler ..... What a surprise ....

Of course, that had nothing to do with the majority of people on this forum considering them the two best MWs ever, and thus picking them to beat everyone else they were matched against. :patsch


Who's betting that the 175 final is between Ezzard Charles v Michael Spinks .....

No one who's been following the results so far. :lol:


I can read this like a book !!

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[WhataRock]

Axl I think you have hit the nail on the head...Ive never quite trusted fleaman, there was always something about the way he posted that was hinting at something more sinister.

Blind Roy Jones hate was it...I cant believe Ive never seen it before.

In fact this whole Classic Forum seems to have a bias against Roy..I think it was set up just to rubbish him and for that reason only. All the non-Roy Jones threads are just a facade, a cover..for what really is going on here. I bet all the regular posters just PM each other spewing Roy hate.

In fact...this may seem crazy...but I wouldnt be surprised if the Internet was invented solely for the purpose of anti-Roy Jones rhetoric. What is with this world?
Obama is president but Roy cant get a break in a internet boxing forum's fantasy tournament. Thanks for opening my eyes brother.

[GDG]

It's Jonesgate!!!

I have just received an anonymous tip from one of my sources that Fleaman and GPater have indeed been discussing the best way to tarnish RJJ's reputation in a series of secret phone calls.

It is also thought that they have rigged the draw so Antonio Tarver can win the tournament and they can pick up a huge payday from the bookies.

You can't pull the wool over AXL_NOSE eyes guys.

[Flea Man]

Yeah, because I've never stated how Jones was the fighter who got me into boxing, and I'm not one of the few people that stand up for his chin.

Axl_Nose, you are a cunt :good

Foster is also out already, man what a spastic.

[Flea Man]

Axl I think you have hit the nail on the head...Ive never quite trusted fleaman, there was always something about the way he posted that was hinting at something more sinister.

Blind Roy Jones hate was it...I cant believe Ive never seen it before.

In fact this whole Classic Forum seems to have a bias against Roy..I think it was set up just to rubbish him and for that reason only. All the non-Roy Jones threads are just a facade, a cover..for what really is going on here. I bet all the regular posters just PM each other spewing Roy hate.

In fact...this may seem crazy...but I wouldnt be surprised if the Internet was invented solely for the purpose of anti-Roy Jones rhetoric. What is with this world?
Obama is president but Roy cant get a break in a internet boxing forum's fantasy tournament. Thanks for opening my eyes brother.


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[teeto]

:lol::lol:

[Boro chris]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Flea Man]

AxlNose is a fuckin spastic :good

[Sweet Pea]

I have seen the light! Don't think the Spinks elimination covered your ass Fleaman, we all know you orchastrated that just to spite the forum guru Axl_Nosetradamus. Nobody pulls the woll over the Nose of an Axl.

[Tony_Jones]

RJJ all the way. Speed kills and marry that with Roys unorthodox style and KO power in both hands and i think he takes this easier than some would think.

[la-califa]

Jones comes out very fast to a big lead. but his legs are a bit heavier at 175. Charles comes on late and punishes the tiring Jones. Ezzard's stong finish has Roy in trouble. Charles late round TKO or Decision win.

[Flea Man]

I have seen the light! Don't think the Spinks elimination covered your ass Fleaman, we all know you orchastrated that just to spite the forum guru Axl_Nosetradamus. Nobody pulls the woll over the Nose of an Axl. :rofl is it just my iPhone or does the board have a new colour scheme? It's jarring and uncalled for (maybe because I'm such a mong)

[teeto]

Haha, what a hilarious thread this has turned out to be, proper dark horse.

[Stonehands89]

Ezzard seemed to have answers for those herky-jerky athletic bangers and proved against the much more experienced Charley Burley. Twice. Burley was smaller but that never stopped him before. Ezzard's precision and technically superior style would draw a bead on Jones and stop him.

[MrMarvel]

Charles power to much for Roy,Ezzard ko in 6rds

What about Roy's power?

[My2Sense]

What about Roy's power?

What about it? Charles has proved he can stand up to guys that hit as hard or harder than Roy. Not so vice versa.

[Ezzard]

Charles' timing, technical brilliance and ability to come back into fights would shine through here.

Jones would have his moments but Charles has everything needed to clsoe the show. Jones would be way out of his comfort zone.

Charles stops him in 8. Different class of fighter.

[196osh]

Different class of fighter.

People have different class's of accomplishments to Roy Jones.

Nobody was a different class of fighter in a boxing ring. Jones had gifts other great, great fighters could only dream of. That does not mean he would beat Charles at LHW. But the is no "class" gap. None at all.

[GDG]

On topic, I really fancied Charles to win this tournament but if there's one guy I can see beating him stylistically it's Jones. Jones speed Vs Charles impeccable timing make it a really hard fight to decipher.

Jones wins the first 3 rounds with his usual mixture of speed and akwardness, making it tough for Charles to get off his shots and keeping his distance well. Rounds 4-9 are pretty close, Jones wants to get invloved but has to be respectful of Charles, and in the 10th this proves to be true as Charles times Jones perfectly and drops him.

RJJ makes it through the round and gets his legs back in the 11th, winning the round despite almost being caught hard again. Jones manages to keep away from Charles for the remainder of the fight dropping rounds in the meantime.

Jones squeezes out a razor thin majority decision.

[Ezzard]

People have different class's of accomplishments to Roy Jones.

Nobody was a different class of fighter in a boxing ring. Jones had gifts other great, great fighters could only dream of. That does not mean he would beat Charles at LHW. But the is no "class" gap. None at all.

I just feel that ability is just speculation until tested. So without accomplishment there is a huge question mark next to ability.

As for the gifts Jones had I believe that much of that was down to modern science.

[196osh]

I just feel that ability is just speculation until tested. So without accomplishment there is a huge question mark next to ability.

Thats an odd thing to say, a guy starting at 154lbs, and winnng titles at 160,168,175 and HW.As well as beating two ATGs, a number of guys who could make the HOF and 10+ world title holders.

Doesn't have the accompishments to show his ability :blood?



As for the gifts Jones had I believe that much of that was down to modern science.


Jones was a speed demon from a young age, and he always hit very hard. Do explain your position.

[WhataRock]

Jones was a speed demon from a young age, and he always hit very hard. Do explain your position.


I think he means the science behind these things

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[196osh]

I think he means the science behind these things



I guessed that much, hence my comment.

Jones did not sudenly develop and become much bigger nor did he suddenly become much faster. His muscle size and structure has been similiar throughout his carrer.

[Shake]

I couldn't stay at the sidelines and respect myself. I came into this thread to vocalize my support for Axl_Nose for uncovering the corruption that, as it has in boxing, has permeated through every pore of this message board. His insightful investigation has exposed fleaman for the Don King surrogate that he is, subtly manipulating seemingly coincidental events, and Gpater as his Richard Steele, his henchman, the Robin to his Batman.

I and everybody else here owes a debt of gratitude to Axl_Nose and I suggest we add to his name the custom title of 'Sherlock Holmes' immediately.

[Flea Man]

:rofl