Joe Frazier vs Bob Foster: Effective Use Of Every Ounce of Energy

[PetethePrince]

Frazier in one of his best performances. Frazier pace/pressure and use of angles is superb. His head-movement and calculated relentless attack nullifies Bob Foster's attack while leaving Joe smoking and countering. Foster's big straight is almost non-existant, and any time he risks throwing a wide looping shot he risks the chance of getting countered big. Weight advantage is clear, and while Foster isn't the most proven at HW he is still a good fighter so this shouldn't diminish Joe's performance. Foster also may not hold up physically and in durability at HW but he tries to keep distance and jab with Frazier but to no avail. Great fight where Joe is really smoking early. He makes Foster miss and pay so much. Any other interesting point to look at. Check out Joe Frazier's jab... in and of itself he is out-jabbing Foster.

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[MRBILL]

Kinda' a mismatch............ Foster fenced with a 200+ pound dude who could whack real good....... Yes, Foster circled the ring a tad, but not nearly enough to avoid Frazier........ Really no contest........ Frazier dusted Foster with a pair of hooks in rd 2.... I have this on file..... Frazier wins, but he shouldn't be praised for beating Foster with ease......... I think Foster barely scaled 180 pounds for this 1970 attempt.......

MR.BILL:-(

[PetethePrince]

Kinda' a mismatch............ Foster fenced with a 200+ pound dude who could whack real good....... Yes, Foster circled the ring a tad, but not nearly enough to avoid Frazier........ Really no contest........ Frazier dusted Foster with a pair of hooks in rd 2.... I have this on file..... Frazier wins, but he shouldn't be praised for beating Foster with ease......... I think Foster barely scaled 180 pounds for this 1970 attempt.......

MR.BILL:-(

It's not Joe's best win, obviously. Of course, Foster wasn't the greatest HW but he was still a good fighter and it's still a great performance of Frazier. Some wonder what's the difference of pressure versus intelligent/effective pressure. This would be a good fight for those folks to watch. Foster was arguably getting out-jabbed by Frazier. Foster weighed 188 for the contest I believe. Yancy Duram said the scales were 5 pounds too much, though. I think Joe looks about 208-210 as he doesn't look his best in terms of appearance. And Bill, Foster tried circling the ring. He couldn't keep Frazier off him... didn't help that he couldn't land on him.

[MRBILL]

It's not Joe's best win, obviously. Of course, Foster wasn't the greatest HW but he was still a good fighter and it's still a great performance of Frazier. Some wonder what's the difference of pressure versus intelligent/effective pressure. This would be a good fight for those folks to watch. Foster was arguably getting out-jabbed by Frazier. Foster weighed 188 for the contest I believe. Yancy Duram said the scales were 5 pounds too much, though. I think Joe looks about 208-210 as he doesn't look his best in terms of appearance. And Bill, Foster tried circling the ring. He couldn't keep Frazier off him... didn't help that he couldn't land on him.

Truth is, Peter..... Frazier knew all along in training that he'd smoke Foster like a Kool....... Frazier had NO fear of Bobby......... But, Frazier knew this fight would make some $$$ and that is why Frazier was happy to oblige Foster.....
:yep

MR.BILL

[PetethePrince]

Truth is, Peter..... Frazier knew all along in training that he'd smoke Foster like a Kool....... Frazier had NO fear of Bobby......... But, Frazier knew this fight would make some $$$ and that is why Frazier was happy to oblige Foster.....
:yep

MR.BILL

Frazier had no fear of anyone. I don't doubt that he thought he would blast him away. Still doesn't take away from the fact that he takes every weapon away from Bob and out-jabs him. I still rank it in Frazier's top 5 performances. It's definitely within the FOTC, Frazier vs Ellis I, Frazier vs Quarry I, and Frazier vs Chuvalo fights. Even though where talking about Foster in this case, Frazier started faster than ever really. Of course, the opposition certainly helps.

[MRBILL]

Frazier had no fear of anyone. I don't doubt that he thought he would blast him away. Still doesn't take away from the fact that he takes every weapon away from Bob and out-jabs him. I still rank it in Frazier's top 5 performances. It's definitely within the FOTC, Frazier vs Ellis I, Frazier vs Quarry I, and Frazier vs Chuvalo fights. Even though where talking about Foster in this case, Frazier started faster than ever really. Of course, the opposition certainly helps.

Pete,

Frazier took Foster's tools away cuz he was too strong physically for Foster................. Frazier knew Foster had power at 170 to 180 pounds, but at 200 pounds, Frazier knew Foster's power was not gonna bother him at all....... If you sense you opponent / victim cannot hurt you, you then begin to walk him down and put pressure on him..... Frazier did just that...... Frazier was willing to land his bombs without any fear of being countered........ Thus, Foster was dead meat...............
:scaredas::deal

MR.BILL

[PetethePrince]

Pete,

Frazier took Foster's tools away cuz he was too strong physically for Foster................. Frazier knew Foster had power at 170 to 180 pounds, but at 200 pounds, Frazier knew Foster's power was not gonna bother him at all....... If you sense you opponent / victim cannot hurt you, you then begin to walk him down and put pressure on him..... Frazier did just that...... Frazier was willing to land his bombs without any fear of being countered........ Thus, Foster was dead meat...............
:scaredas::deal

MR.BILL

Nobody really knew how Foster would be at HW, especially how much of a punch he would have. You act like Frazier just walked Foster down which he didn't which is precisely the point of this thread. The effective aggression Frazier put. He didn't take shots and just overwhelm him physically. He did so intelligently without getting hit much. Where do you rank this in terms of Frazier's best performances?

[OBCboxer]

Yes, he fought differently in this fight. He certainly wasn't his usual self slow-starting self. He came out right away and overwhelmed Foster.

[PetethePrince]

Yes, he fought differently in this fight. He certainly wasn't his usual self slow-starting self. He came out right away and overwhelmed Foster.

Indeed. Where do you rank it among Frazier's best performances? A top 5 one?

[Sweet Pea]

Frazier would've knocked the block off of Lewis and both the Klitschko's. I don't give a fuck how much smaller he was.

[PetethePrince]

Frazier would've knocked the block off of Lewis and both the Klitschko's. I don't give a fuck how much smaller he was.

True that. :happy

[MRBILL]

Frazier would've knocked the block off of Lewis and both the Klitschko's. I don't give a fuck how much smaller he was.

Pea,

I scored a dime-bag of some stoney pot at my bros. Ranch earlier tonight.... But if you think Frazier could beat / KO the Klit's and Lenny Lewis in a time machine, then you need to put the hash pipe down and come up for some air... Cheers...
:hey:patsch:shock:

MR.BILL

[PetethePrince]

Pea,

I scored a dime-bag of some stoney pot at my bros. Ranch earlier tonight.... But if you think Frazier could beat / KO the Klit's and Lenny Lewis in a time machine, then you need to put the hash pipe down and come up for some air... Cheers...
:hey:patsch:shock:

MR.BILL

Bill, explain to Pea how you justify ranking Vitali the #6 HW of all time? Yes, I saw you say that.

[Sweet Pea]

Pea,

I scored a dime-bag of some stoney pot at my bros. Ranch earlier tonight.... But if you think Frazier could beat / KO the Klit's and Lenny Lewis in a time machine, then you need to put the hash pipe down and come up for some air... Cheers...
:hey:patsch:shock:

MR.BILLAnd if you think Vitali is the #6 HW of all time, you need to be entered into a higher security facility. You're supposed to be tied up to your cell bed right about now. You shouldn't be watching fights in the state you're in.

[McGrain]

I pick Frazier over both Klitscho's too. I think Lewis is a fight.

[mcvey]

Nobody really knew how Foster would be at HW, especially how much of a punch he would have. You act like Frazier just walked Foster down which he didn't which is precisely the point of this thread. The effective aggression Frazier put. He didn't take shots and just overwhelm him physically. He did so intelligently without getting hit much. Where do you rank this in terms of Frazier's best performances?

Foster never beat a rated heavy.This fight was a foregone conclusion.
Foster was stopped by non puncher Terrell ,Frazier knew he would stop Foster and that it would be early.
Fosters style was that of a stalker he was not effective going backwards, Frazier matched him in hand speed ,beat him in footspeed ,and was simply too powerful and heavy hitting for the stick like Foster,a Light Heavy great ,but a very moderate Heavy.Frazier should look good against such an opponent

[Shake]

I love Frazier, I really do, but I can't see him winning more than he loses against Lewis or either Klitschko. I think he does much better against Lewis and Wladimir than he does against Vitali, mostly because those two men are more cautious and a tad easier to intimidate, and Joe Frazier is a frightening man.

At the end of the day, though, it does come down to size. Joe Frazier is skilled, superbly conditioned, and has good power, yet he is not a one-punch knockout artist, will have severe trouble landing up-top against any of the three when they fight tall, and, while utilizing the best head movement this side of Jack Dempsey, is still there to be hit due to his perpetual forward motion.

He's going to eat some to get into range, and weighted punches by men as big as these three dent faces.

There is a reasonable chance that he hooks Wlad in the belly until he squeels like a little girl.

I can't favor Frazier, though I want to. He's undeniably greater than all three, and if size was not an issue, they would be drawing dead in a no contest.

[junior-soprano]

Frazier would've knocked the block off of Lewis and both the Klitschko's. I don't give a fuck how much smaller he was.

when it comes to the klitschko's i agree with you. but i don't think frazier will beat lewis. i even think lewis will ko/tko frazier somewhere around the 8th or 9th round

[red cobra]

It's fashionable to dump on and malign Joe Frazier these days. "No chin", "too short", "he'd be owned by _____", and all that shit...this is one fight, among many, that Joe Frazier looked fantastic...a monster, and an example of being "boss" in the ring, and ending it all with a classically devastating example of not only killer instinct, but a brutal, thunderbolt of a left hook, on an opponent who was at his best.

[zadfrak]

Lets give Foster some props for signing to fight the guy in his prime. Not like today when everyone cherrypicks. Foster signed to fight a guy in his prime. And just how many guys come back from that brutal of a ko anyway?

Foster continued to defend that lh title for years & even managed another heavyweight foray against another elite fighter===Ali. In a non-title bout no less. You just don't see guys taking these kinds of fights--while remaining champ--in recent times. And then having the capability to bounce back from brutal ko's.

[red cobra]

Foster was an old school, hard scrapple sort of guy, who never cherrypicked, and took the fights, without being afradi.

[Sweet Pea]

I pick Frazier over both Klitscho's too. I think Lewis is a fight.Yeah, no doubt. I was a bit tipsy last night, but I at least meant what I said at heart.

[MRBILL]

V.K. is just too badass and wicked for Frazier or Tyson................ Lennox Lewis is INDEED a bad mo-fo as well......... Frazier & Tyson would get bounced like a basketball in a time machine against dudes like " Vit Klit & Lewis."

MR.BILL

[PetethePrince]

It's fashionable to dump on and malign Joe Frazier these days. "No chin", "too short", "he'd be owned by _____", and all that shit...this is one fight, among many, that Joe Frazier looked fantastic...a monster, and an example of being "boss" in the ring, and ending it all with a classically devastating example of not only killer instinct, but a brutal, thunderbolt of a left hook, on an opponent who was at his best.

:good

V.K. is just too badass and wicked for Frazier or Tyson................ Lennox Lewis is INDEED a bad mo-fo as well......... Frazier & Tyson would get bounced like a basketball in a time machine against dudes like " Vit Klit & Lewis."

MR.BILL

You've gone off the rocker. Vitali is not beating a prime Tyson nor Frazier. Lewis would be a tougher and closer fight, but I'd favor a prime Tyson and would give Frazier a good chance.

[Shake]

It's fashionable to dump on and malign Joe Frazier these days. "No chin", "too short", "he'd be owned by _____", and all that shit...this is one fight, among many, that Joe Frazier looked fantastic...a monster, and an example of being "boss" in the ring, and ending it all with a classically devastating example of not only killer instinct, but a brutal, thunderbolt of a left hook, on an opponent who was at his best.

A bit of irony that he might have looked that good because his opponent was comparatively small.

[round15]

Frazier would've knocked the block off of Lewis and both the Klitschko's. I don't give a fuck how much smaller he was.

This version of Frazier, I'd say yes. 1967 - 1970 would be a nightmare for any heavyweight. The only version of Frazier I see Lewis, Vitali or Wlad beating is the overconfident, overweight, lazy version of Frazier that showed up to defend the title against Foreman in 1973. Even though George destroyed Frazier twice inside 8 rounds total, Foreman wouldn't have had a relatively easy fight with this version of Frazier. Not saying Joe wins, but I'd give him a legit chance to make it to the middle rounds against Foreman, and those are the rounds that Frazier dominates.

[round15]

V.K. is just too badass and wicked for Frazier or Tyson................ Lennox Lewis is INDEED a bad mo-fo as well......... Frazier & Tyson would get bounced like a basketball in a time machine against dudes like " Vit Klit & Lewis."

MR.BILL

I disagree with you Mr. Bill. However, I do understand you argument about the size, reach, and weight advantage Lewis and the Klitschko's possess over Frazier and Tyson.

None of those three faced fighters with the head movement and body attack of Frazier and Tyson. Frazier is a little more concerted to the body than Tyson whereas Tyson throws harder right hand shots more frequently. Lewis beat a Tyson that probably shouldn't have been in the ring, and I'm a firm believer that if Tyson wasn't exiled, he would have fought and beat Lewis during that time. Frazier is much harder to hit cleanly than Tyson, and the only way Lewis and the Klitschkos stop a prime Frazier is to knock him out with the first three rounds, which nobody has done. I'd bet on 1967 - FOTC Frazier to stop all three, Lewis, Vitali and Wlad inside 12 rounds.

[Bill Butcher]

Frazier in one of his best performances. Frazier pace/pressure and use of angles is superb. His head-movement and calculated relentless attack nullifies Bob Foster's attack while leaving Joe smoking and countering. Foster's big straight is almost non-existant, and any time he risks throwing a wide looping shot he risks the chance of getting countered big. Weight advantage is clear, and while Foster isn't the most proven at HW he is still a good fighter so this shouldn't diminish Joe's performance. Foster also may not hold up physically and in durability at HW but he tries to keep distance and jab with Frazier but to no avail. Great fight where Joe is really smoking early. He makes Foster miss and pay so much. Any other interesting point to look at. Check out Joe Frazier's jab... in and of itself he is out-jabbing Foster.

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Looked good in that one Frazier, he reminds me a little of Chavez when both were on form, Foster, for such a great LHWT was abysmal as a HWT tho.
Frazier v Marciano is my dream HWT fight right alongside Foreman v Liston.

[MRBILL]

I don't know, guys.......... I've seen it or reviewed all of these dudes who fought over the last 40 yrs and I own an insane fight tape collection of thrills and spills as well........

"Frazier & Tyson" were great at what they did, but only Joe Frazier really fought TWO GREAT opponents in the making of Ali and Foreman....... And, Frazier lost to them dudes too.......

Mike Tyson's first reign from '86 to '90 was a great reign, and his victims were damn good; but none of his victims of the late 80s were ever gonna beat Lewis or V.K. in a time machine......... NOPE!!

So, again, BOTH Lewis and Klit EAT dudes like "Frazier & Tyson" alive in a time machine...... No doubt on this end........

MR.BILL

[Maxmomer]

Frazier was a dynamo. I think this is an underrated win.