foreman vs holyfield ??

[junior-soprano]

the prime foreman ofcourse... what are you're thoughts ??

for me the fight can go both ways if evander survives the first 5 rounds he'd probably take it. but i don't see evander making it past the first 5 rounds. the guy had great heart but probably foreman would ko him somewhere around round 3 or 4

[mr. magoo]

The Foreman who fought Evander Holyfield at 43 years of age, was a reconfigured fighter who came to the match better equipped to deal with a man of Holy's style and physical attributes.

In 1974, Foreman was very unaccustomed to taking on opponents who could lure him into the later rounds before wearing him down and stopping him. Evander's chin, heart and physical conditioning could get him through the storm early in my opinion. I also happen to think that his upper body strength was at least comparable to Foreman's and would make it difficult for George to bully him in clinches or push him back the way he did so often against others..

The only way Foreman can win this is if he stops Holy sometime within the first 5-6 rounds or so, and frankly I can't see anyone doing that to Evander at the peak of his powers...

[zadfrak]

Disagree.

Evander just gets hit too often. Way too often. And he takes a real good shot to the head, but I always thought he really didn't take it to the breadbasket too well. Evander doesn't hit all that hard and I think, anyway, George just throws too many of those "anywhere' punches of his to the body and he hurts Evander. Then, it's time for the uppercuts & that's another punch Holyfield gets hit with. Guys that did well in the 70's against Foreman were boxers that don't get hit by uppercuts and thereby take away a huge part of George's arsenal.

[Flea Man]

I don't even think Evander could survive the assault of the Foreman that demolished Frazier. Then again he possibly could. I'm a massive admirer of both. I think Foreman gets a lot of unfair detractors on here. But how can you count out Holys resolve? Tentatively I pick Foreman by stoppage in the 5th in one of the greatest fights of all time!!!!

[mr. magoo]

Disagree.

Evander just gets hit too often. Way too often. And he takes a real good shot to the head, but I always thought he really didn't take it to the breadbasket too well. Evander doesn't hit all that hard and I think, anyway, George just throws too many of those "anywhere' punches of his to the body and he hurts Evander. Then, it's time for the uppercuts & that's another punch Holyfield gets hit with. Guys that did well in the 70's against Foreman were boxers that don't get hit by uppercuts and thereby take away a huge part of George's arsenal.

Could very well be the case, but no matter how hard I try to envision it, I can't seem to picture him being stopped early. I also happen to think that as much as he had the tendency to get pegged, Foreman's defense in those days, wasn't anything to write home about either. Sure, Frazier and possibly Norton hit harder than Holyfield does, but neither of those men had much of a chance to land anything on George, whereas I think Holyfield would.. In fact, I could see this fight playing out in similar fashion to the Lyle match, only I think Holy could weather the storm better...

[djanders]

Prime against prime, I would still bet on Holyfield in this matchup.

[MRBILL]

Well, Foreman was still young enough at age 42 to beat Holy in 1991, but Foreman was too massive and bulky, and slow at 257 pounds..... Had Foreman bean a leaner but still pumped hard 245 pounds against Holy, the result may have been different...... Foreman was a cunt hair or two too slow to really catch Holy with a barrage type of attack...... Round 7 was Foreman's best effort in attacking and trading with Holy.... After round 7, Holy got back to sticking and moving while turning Foreman in the center of the ring...... Peace....

MR.BILL

[lefthook31]

When Holyfield chose to box and use his skills, he did a number on old Foreman. When he chose to slug he got nailed. Evander always had better boxing skills than Foreman in my opinion and would have beaten any version of Foreman if he boxed intelligently.

[TheGreatA]

When Holyfield chose to box and use his skills, he did a number on old Foreman. When he chose to slug he got nailed. Evander always had better boxing skills than Foreman in my opinion and would have beaten any version of Foreman if he boxed intelligently.

Except I think he would have gotten nailed a lot worse against a younger version of George Foreman.

If Holyfield goes to war, he ends up getting the worst of it. If he sticks to his gameplan and tries to box his way to a decision, which he often didn't, he has a good chance of winning.

[lefthook31]

Except I think he would have gotten nailed a lot worse against a younger version of George Foreman.

If Holyfield goes to war, he ends up getting the worst of it. If he sticks to his gameplan and tries to box his way to a decision, which he often didn't, he has a good chance of winning.
Not sure he would have approached that fight in the same manner. There was a bit of an ego thing going on with Holyfield as he thought there was no way this old man was going to stand in with him. It took Holy the entire fight to realize how tough George really was. I dont think it would have been an easy fight for Holy, but I would still favor him.

[TheGreatA]

Not sure he would have approached that fight in the same manner. There was a bit of an ego thing going on with Holyfield as he thought there was no way this old man was going to stand in with him. It took Holy the entire fight to realize how tough George really was. I dont think it would have been an easy fight for Holy, but I would still favor him.

I think he fought as well as I've ever seen him fight according to the plan against old Foreman. He executed his gameplan almost perfectly, aside from being caught in some (perhaps unnecessary) exchanges but that is to be expected of a warrior like Holyfield who never truly had the greatest defense in the world.

[lefthook31]

I think he fought as well as I've ever seen him fight according to the plan against old Foreman. He executed his gameplan almost perfectly, aside from being caught in some (perhaps unnecessary) exchanges but that is to be expected of a warrior like Holyfield who never truly had the greatest defense in the world.
Yeah your probably right, he did it against Bowe. It would be interesting to see what young Foreman could do, but I dont suspect it would be any better than Bowe, who was overall a bit more skilled in my opinion.

[KTFO]

Question is, would Holyfield be as clever as Ali?

[MRBILL]

Holy was real good and slick against Foreman in '91...... Holy was / is still a good boxer when he wants to be.... Christ, a 46 year old Holy boxed circles around Nick Valubum last December only to be jacked outta the decision cuz of lack of punching...... "Lack of Punching," geez, both guys were equally guilty there....... I had Holy winning over Valubum by way of a very stinky fight.......

MR.BILL

[Chris Warren]

Mr. Magoo Holyfield isnt nearly as strong as Foreman. Evander has stated that Foreman was stronger than any fighter he ever faced.

Bert Cooper almost had Holyfield out early but Cooper isnt nearly the puncher or finisher a young George Foreman was.

Foreman's stamina wasnt better when he got older even though most of you kids believe that because people like Bert Sugar told you so. If anything Foreman stamina's was worse. The older you get the smaller your lungs get which means your stamina gets worse. Foreman didnt throw as many punches when he got older so it looked like his stamina was better. Not to mention Foreman had 47 bouts before his comeback and was only badly fatigue against Ali and against Young. He could go 10 rounds when he needed to like he did against he higly underrated Gregorio Peralta.

Holyfield also said many times that old Foreman hit him harder than anybody. Logic would tell you that a young Foreman hit harder. So if old slow Foreman could hurt him then a younger faster Foreman would stop him.

[PetethePrince]

Foreman has much much faster footspeed and ability to cut of the ring in 73 versus 91. This must be factored. Out-boxing Foreman would be much harder within the first few rounds. And if we aren't in Puerto Rico heat or if Foreman is bombarding shots to him on the ropes he won't tire out in a Ali-Foreman Zaire type fashion. And I think a 73 Foreman might be better and more prepared.

[Primadonna Kool]

Disagree.

Evander just gets hit too often. Way too often. And he takes a real good shot to the head, but I always thought he really didn't take it to the breadbasket too well. Evander doesn't hit all that hard and I think, anyway, George just throws too many of those "anywhere' punches of his to the body and he hurts Evander. Then, it's time for the uppercuts & that's another punch Holyfield gets hit with. Guys that did well in the 70's against Foreman were boxers that don't get hit by uppercuts and thereby take away a huge part of George's arsenal.

There is not a fighter...

Who has stepped in the ring with Evander Holyfield, who has not been hurt.

Evander Holyfield hit hard enough...

Faster hands than Forman, better movement, and could fight at a higher intensity.

People don't understand how fast Evander Holyfield was...!

It took Foreman until the ege of 40, to learn how to throw a straight punch..

[MrMarvel]

I have to go with Foreman. He was a beast. I also agree that had he come in lighter when he did face Holyfield he might have beaten him. Of course, Foreman at any weight or any age, if he caught Holyfield the right way, could end it. I kept waiting in their match for that perfect right hand. Foreman could really hit.

[zadfrak]

There is not a fighter...

Who has stepped in the ring with Evander Holyfield, who has not been hurt.

Evander Holyfield hit hard enough...

Faster hands than Forman, better movement, and could fight at a higher intensity.

People don't understand how fast Evander Holyfield was...!

It took Foreman until the ege of 40, to learn how to throw a straight punch..

Holyfield is no puncher at heavyweight. He gets by with different skills. He certainly isn't a finisher. He just gets guys attention with his shots and it's almost always the left hook. Just where are all the ko's? I saw lots of decisions. And even decisions against guys in their 40's. What other in their prime heavy goes the distance against 2 challengers in their 40's? How many punches did he land on Foreman the end of what, the 8th round and he could not get a tired old guy off his feet? You know, it wasn't as if we ever had a 74 Foreman going the distance against a Johanseen.

Vaughn Bean. Alex Stewart. 3x with no defense Bowe. Ruiz 3x and zero ko's. Lewis 2x. As a matter of fact, he didn't get all that many guys off their feet when you look closely at how many rounds he fought. The solid defensive guys like Toney/Byrd/Donald---did they even get hit by the guy?
Evander's punching prowess at heavyweight is a much different ballgame than it was at cruiser.

[Chris Warren]

With the exception of Michael Moorer and Tyson I cant think of any half way decent guys Holyfield knocked out.

It took Foreman till the age of 40 to throw a straight punch? Apparently the only fight you seen Foreman fight in his prime was against Ali then. Watch old Foreman vs Holyfield on youtube or something and watch how looping his punches were most of the time. When he threw his punches straight they hurt Holyfield.

Old Foreman also had worse balance than young Foreman and that equates to lost of punching power. Young Foreman's balance was better which mean he hit harder. Holyfield is no Ali, Holyfield can't make a man miss the way Ali could. Holyfield couldnt or wouldnt get in Foremans head and make him fight stupid.

Holyfield has alot of heart, but so did basiacally every fighter in the 70s and they lost to Foreman and so would Holyfield

[Flea Man]

With the exception of Michael Moorer and Tyson I cant think of any half way decent guys Holyfield knocked out.

It took Foreman till the age of 40 to throw a straight punch? Apparently the only fight you seen Foreman fight in his prime was against Ali then. Watch old Foreman vs Holyfield on youtube or something and watch how looping his punches were most of the time. When he threw his punches straight they hurt Holyfield.

Old Foreman also had worse balance than young Foreman and that equates to lost of punching power. Young Foreman's balance was better which mean he hit harder. Holyfield is no Ali, Holyfield can't make a man miss the way Ali could. Holyfield couldnt or wouldnt get in Foremans head and make him fight stupid.

Holyfield has alot of heart, but so did basiacally every fighter in the 70s and they lost to Foreman and so would Holyfield


Dokes? Qawi (Admittedly at Cruiser)? ****** you are a spaz.

[Brummy1976]

Dokes? Qawi (Admittedly at Cruiser)? ****** you are a spaz.Not really proving anything with that though mate

[lefthook31]

Holy's been hit by Tyson, Lewis, Foreman, and Bowe. To think Foreman would stop him because Bert Cooper had him badly hurt is ridiculous. Holyfield would never show the lack of respect against a young Foreman like he did against Cooper or even an older Foreman. Holyfield boxes smarter, exchanges often, but comes out with a competitive victory.

[Flea Man]

Not really proving anything with that though mate

Dokes was a legitimate heavy.

[zadfrak]

Had you seen his form going into that Holyfield bout? There's a reason the guy was a 10-1 underdog.

[frankenfrank]

the prime foreman ofcourse... what are you're thoughts ??

for me the fight can go both ways if evander survives the first 5 rounds he'd probably take it. but i don't see evander making it past the first 5 rounds. the guy had great heart but probably foreman would ko him somewhere around round 3 or 4
he didn't ko ali in 5 rounds so why should he ko evander in 5 ?
young outpointed him , so why evander couldn't ?