Terry Norris vs. Carlos Monzon

[KOTF]

160 lbs.

[teeto]

The poll should be a blowout i reckon. I've got things going.

[essexboy]

Monzon KO. Norris isnt big enough.

[laxpdx]

Monzon UD. Terry would give Chuckie problems with his speed, but wouldn't reach him. The times Terry manages to get close enough, he would most likely get tied up.

[Hatesrats]

Monzon by KO/TKO
Terry's chin @ MW would NEVER hold up under that type of pressure.

[frankenfrank]

160 lbs.
what's that thread for ?

[cotto20]

Monzon KO Norris's. To big to strong and punchers to hard.

[leverage]

Monzon by decision or late round tko. Norris was a talented, fast fighter but he wasn't special (like a sugar ray leonard who had more than talent but also possessed a sturdy chin and the ability to overcome adversity). He would need that against monzon who had the physical advantages and was as cool as they come.

[Xplosive]

Monzon is arrested for murder after this one.

[Flea Man]

This is getting ridiculous.

[heehoo]

Monzon absorbs whatever Norris throws at him and flattens Norris once he connects on his fragile chin.

[Sweet Pea]

Monzon UD. Terry would give Chuckie problems with his speed, but wouldn't reach him. The times Terry manages to get close enough, he would most likely get tied up.:rofl

[Mr Butt]

monzon last's into the second but he so badly shaken mentally atfer the beating he receives he never leaves argentina again and spends his time shuffling around the streets and the mere mention of norris leaves him skaking like a shitting dog :good

[red cobra]

The same right that flattened Benvenuti, Tonna, Mundine, Licata, and Bogs would put Terry to sleep. A knockout for Monzon in 7.

[Vantage_West]

terry tries to box and move but gets inveloped and a stray right cross or a uppercut will catch him while he gets inside. i think terry might be able to get up a few times. but it would be a wash out. kinda like wright-Vasquez (another US-ARG) norris will do some good work but will just not preavail any rounds and will get destroyed once he gets tired.

4 knockdowns, each one getting progressivly worse.

bad match up.
monzon has skinny skinny legs but a light-heavyweight upper body a very big middleweight. terry i almost regard as a welterweight. he didnt blow up after the weigh in (150lbs) usually what you saw on the scales was him on fight night.

[laxpdx]

:rofl

You think Terry would win? If anything, you should be happy I picked this one to end by decision.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by laxpdx
You think Terry would win? If anything, you should be happy I picked this one to end by decision. I'm guessing that he disagreed with you analysis, not so much your predicted winner.

I think this thread was created as a follow up joke to the Norris vs Tyson thread, but I'll post anyway.

Terry Norris truly was one of those fighters that fit his super/junior division perfectly. Norris was too big to be a welterweight. People say he made the catch weight against Meldrick Taylor easy enough to suggest he could fight at welterweight, but I don't really believe that. It is not often that more money is to be made at 154 than there is at 147. I also believe that Norris was too small to compete at middleweight. I don't believe him to be durable enough to have success against the elite. I think that Norris' chin gets an often unfair criticism. If all you had to do was hit hard to defeat Norris, Pettway and Castro would have done him in. Regardless of what I think is unfair criticism, I'm wouldn't bet on Norris' chin at 160.

The perfectly suited for 154 fighter gets ko'd by Monzon around 5 or 6.

[redrooster]

I'm guessing that he disagreed with you analysis, not so much your predicted winner.

I think this thread was created as a follow up joke to the Norris vs Tyson thread, but I'll post anyway.

Terry Norris truly was one of those fighters that fit his super/junior division perfectly. Norris was too big to be a welterweight. People say he made the catch weight against Meldrick Taylor easy enough to suggest he could fight at welterweight, but I don't really believe that. It is not often that more money is to be made at 154 than there is at 147. I also believe that Norris was too small to compete at middleweight. I don't believe him to be durable enough to have success against the elite. I think that Norris' chin gets an often unfair criticism. If all you had to do was hit hard to defeat Norris, Pettway and Castro would have done him in. Regardless of what I think is unfair criticism, I'm wouldn't bet on Norris' chin at 160.

The perfectly suited for 154 fighter gets ko'd by Monzon around 5 or 6.

I dont know why I but I just barely noticed this thread.

Sounds like tough competition for Terry on the surface. But analyzing it from an objective perspective, Monzon would not tower over Norris as Johnson towered over Ketchel. there are just a couple of inches in height and maybe 3pounds sperating the two .

Terry I believe can come in at just over 154 and if he can retain even a portion of his speed, has to be given a good chance for a huge upset. Greater things have happened in the sport

I look at it this way: If an overaged Griffith and Bouttier gave Monzon such a close call, I dont see why Terry can't pull it off. For those of you that say "he can't", Terry and I say "he can". And Terry would take his never say die attitude, the same one he took into the Leonard fight, and much to the dismay of the Monzon fans, give one of his peerless boxing exhibitions. After all, this isnt Tony Licata we're talking about.

in much the same way Norris gave Leonard fits, I see Terry darting in and out before Carlos can think what his next move will be, by keeping him off balance.

The reason Terry was so dominant in fights is because of the way he got off first in fights which always put the other man in a shell. It was the other man who wound up fighting Terry's fight and having to readajust their plans. With Monzon, this shouldnt be a problem. I believe Monzon is too slow for a speed demon like Terry. Another interesting point is: can Terry hurt Monzon with his lightning left hook? What would Monzon's rxn be if struck clean by pin point accurate hook flush?

The other problem for Monzon would be that Terry does not tire notably late in fights. THis is bad news as his only real chance is for Terry to slow. If he does, them Cm has a chance for a late knockout. Otherwise, TN on points.

[Flea Man]

I dont know why I but I just barely noticed this thread.

Sounds like tough competition for Terry on the surface. But analyzing it from an objective perspective, Monzon would not tower over Norris as Johnson towered over Ketchel. there are just a couple of inches in height and maybe 3pounds sperating the two .

Terry I believe can come in at just over 154 and if he can retain even a portion of his speed, has to be given a good chance for a huge upset. Greater things have happened in the sport

I look at it this way: If an overaged Griffith and Bouttier gave Monzon such a close call, I dont see why Terry can't pull it off. For those of you that say "he can't", Terry and I say "he can". And Terry would take his never say die attitude, the same one he took into the Leonard fight, and much to the dismay of the Monzon fans, give one of his peerless boxing exhibitions. After all, this isnt Tony Licata we're talking about.

in much the same way Norris gave Leonard fits, I see Terry darting in and out before Carlos can think what his next move will be, by keeping him off balance.

The reason Terry was so dominant in fights is because of the way he got off first in fights which always put the other man in a shell. It was the other man who wound up fighting Terry's fight and having to readajust their plans. With Monzon, this shouldnt be a problem. I believe Monzon is too slow for a speed demon like Terry. Another interesting point is: can Terry hurt Monzon with his lightning left hook? What would Monzon's rxn be if struck clean by pin point accurate hook flush?

The other problem for Monzon would be that Terry does not tire notably late in fights. THis is bad news as his only real chance is for Terry to slow. If he does, them Cm has a chance for a late knockout. Otherwise, TN on points.

You. Are. Unbelievable.

[Flea Man]

I'm guessing that he disagreed with you analysis, not so much your predicted winner.

I think this thread was created as a follow up joke to the Norris vs Tyson thread, but I'll post anyway.

Terry Norris truly was one of those fighters that fit his super/junior division perfectly. Norris was too big to be a welterweight. People say he made the catch weight against Meldrick Taylor easy enough to suggest he could fight at welterweight, but I don't really believe that. It is not often that more money is to be made at 154 than there is at 147. I also believe that Norris was too small to compete at middleweight. I don't believe him to be durable enough to have success against the elite. I think that Norris' chin gets an often unfair criticism. If all you had to do was hit hard to defeat Norris, Pettway and Castro would have done him in. Regardless of what I think is unfair criticism, I'm wouldn't bet on Norris' chin at 160.

The perfectly suited for 154 fighter gets ko'd by Monzon around 5 or 6.

Nope, I made that as a response to this joke of a thread.

Upnext, Thomas Adamek vs Sonny Liston:deal

[redrooster]

You. Are. Unbelievable.

Do you always have to follow me around?

I dont see why Norris supossedly hase no chance when welters have moved up to 160 and won. Terry is only 3 or 4 pounds lighter and two inches shorter. But much much faster.

Remember the days of Griffith and Tiger when Emile was 150 and went home with the title. Robinson: 150. Went home with the title.

Duran - Leonard 1. Duran, a natural lightweight, goes home with the title.

all of this talk of going out early is just defeatest, an attitude that permeates the ESB forum.

He can't. He can't. he can't.

All you people ever talk about is "he can't".

Like I said, Monzon has just as good a chance to win it since it's his division but only if Terry can't handle the weight and slows enough for Monzon to draw a bead on him.

[sweet_scientist]

I like Monzon by brutal stoppage in the second round, via a jab whilst moving backwards.

[Flea Man]

Do you always have to follow me around?

I dont see why Norris supossedly hase no chance when welters have moved up to 160 and won. Terry is only 3 or 4 pounds lighter and two inches shorter. But much much faster.

Remember the days of Griffith and Tiger when Emile was 150 and went home with the title. Robinson: 150. Went home with the title.

Duran - Leonard 1. Duran, a natural lightweight, goes home with the title.

all of this talk of going out early is just defeatest, an attitude that permeates the ESB forum.

He can't. He can't. he can't.

All you people ever talk about is "he can't".

Like I said, Monzon has just as good a chance to win it since it's his division but only if Terry can't handle the weight and slows enough for Monzon to draw a bead on him.

Norris isn't anywhere near as good as the fighters you just mentioned. Simple as.

S_S: :lol:

[PowerPuncher]

I think Norris is an amazing boxing talent and gets underrated on here. People on here say he hasnt got a chance but if Monzon was 160lb Champ today and Norris was the 154lb champ in his prime moving up I doubt anyone would bet their house on Monzon. Boxing is unpredictable and Norris has more speed, athleticism and movement than anyone Monzon ever faced., simply put thats a problem for Monzon. I would pick Norris to win some early rounds before Monzon breaks him down for a late KO but a Norris UD isn't outside the realms of possibility either

[laxpdx]

I think Norris is an amazing boxing talent and gets underrated on here. People on here say he hasnt got a chance but if Monzon was 160lb Champ today and Norris was the 154lb champ in his prime moving up I doubt anyone would bet their house on Monzon. Boxing is unpredictable and Norris has more speed, athleticism and movement than anyone Monzon ever faced., simply put thats a problem for Monzon. I would pick Norris to win some early rounds before Monzon breaks him down for a late KO but a Norris UD isn't outside the realms of possibility either

Good analysis. I did pick Monzon by UD, but Terry gets dismissed way too easily.

[Sweet Pea]

You think Terry would win? If anything, you should be happy I picked this one to end by decision.That was what I found humorous. This is one matchup that could never in a million years go the distance, and you of all people pick it to.

[Sweet Pea]

I think Norris is an amazing boxing talent and gets underrated on here. People on here say he hasnt got a chance but if Monzon was 160lb Champ today and Norris was the 154lb champ in his prime moving up I doubt anyone would bet their house on Monzon. Boxing is unpredictable and Norris has more speed, athleticism and movement than anyone Monzon ever faced., simply put thats a problem for Monzon. I would pick Norris to win some early rounds before Monzon breaks him down for a late KO but a Norris UD isn't outside the realms of possibility eitherYes, it is. It is completely and totally impossible.

[Bill Butcher]

Norris by KO/TKO
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Norris by decision
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I know you guys dont believe that shit, especially you rekcutneve :rofl

[red cobra]

I think Norris is an amazing boxing talent and gets underrated on here. People on here say he hasnt got a chance but if Monzon was 160lb Champ today and Norris was the 154lb champ in his prime moving up I doubt anyone would bet their house on Monzon. Boxing is unpredictable and Norris has more speed, athleticism and movement than anyone Monzon ever faced., simply put thats a problem for Monzon. I would pick Norris to win some early rounds before Monzon breaks him down for a late KO but a Norris UD isn't outside the realms of possibility either
Norris had his strengths and pluses for sure and I'm sure everyone would agree, but he's not being underrated here...rather it's a case of realism...there's no way in hell that he'd beat Carlos Monzon at middleweight. He's get punished and dissected before being dispatched in 9 or 10. A ko would be the result...and people forget that Monzon was a much bigger banger with that right hand prior to being shot in the shoulder by his terrified wife..she shot him twice and they were only able to remove one bullet, the other stayed in him and no doubt he tailored his style a bit to accomodate that remaining slug in his shoulder. That unremoved slug was mentioned by Jose Napoles before their fight in '74, and was cited by Jose as a reason that he felt confident about beating Monzon, and also explained somewhat Monzon's two distance victories in rematched over men he had previously stopped (Griffith and Bouttier). Monzon would have crushed Norris.

[he grant]

I think Norris had more speed, power and strength than anyone Monzon ever fought. If he boxed carefully he could surprise many here. However, at the end of the day his chin would give in. He'd have to pitch a no hitter and that is too much to ask against a monster like Monzon.

[redrooster]

Yes, it is. It is completely and totally impossible.

That's what they said the night Douglas came in a 42-1 underdog against mighty Mike Tyson. Fighters like Douglas and Norris in those years is what makes boxing such a great sport. Just when you think it can't be done, someone comes along and proves just the opposite

[TommyV]

Monzon is too big and too disciplined. Norris wouldn't be able to use his speed because he wouldn't get in close enough. Monzon would pepper him with the jab and set him up with the right hand and get the stoppage.

[wayneo]

Are you kidding? It isn`t even fair to mention Norris` alongside Monzond. Monzon by frightening KO... Maybe during the refs instructrions. Monzon had good power and Norris had no chin...