View Full Version : End of an era in British boxing?
Look at the guys that have retired recently:
Danny Williams
Matt Skelton
Clinton Woods
Joe Calzaghe
Michael Gomez
Guys who might retire soon:
Jon Thaxton
Carl Johanneson
Dean Francis
Ricky Hatton
Graham Earl
Our top performers at World level in recent years are on the list as well as some quality domestic operators. I'm sure I've missed a off few as well.
Thoughts?
Its the first time I have seen it happen :verysad Hopefully i can see it happen more often.
Look at the guys that have retired recently:
Danny Williams
Matt Skelton
Clinton Woods
Joe Calzaghe
Michael Gomez
Guys who might retire soon:
Jon Thaxton
Carl Johanneson
Dean Francis
Ricky Hatton
Graham Earl
Our top performers at World level in recent years are on the list as well as some quality domestic operators. I'm sure I've missed a off few as well.
Thoughts?
It's only really the world class ones that are a concern, because it takes a special talent to get that far and they don't grow on trees...
The domestic fighters listed have been great servants but guys come along and beat them and take their place. Kev Mitchell has replaced Johannesson, Murray has replaced Thaxton, Cleverly and Bellew are coming through to replace Francis. Hopefully some of these guys make it to the world stage too.
trotter
10-03-2009, 08:44 PM
It's only really the world class ones that are a concern, because it takes a special talent to get that far and they don't grow on trees...
The domestic fighters listed have been great servants but guys come along and beat them and take their place. Kev Mitchell has replaced Johannesson, Murray has replaced Thaxton, Cleverly and Bellew are coming through to replace Francis. Hopefully some of these guys make it to the world stage too.
So that's Hatton and Joe really? Clinton I suppose.
We've a few on the way through but genuine world class, I dunno, you can't tell until they step up
Khan is now 'world class' and Moore might soon join him
In the medium term Brook and Cleverly should go far
cubex
10-03-2009, 08:47 PM
I thought Thaxton and Francis are rtired after their last fights.
Is Skelton retired?
There was a thread a while back saying Skelton had retired.
Francis should retire but I don't think there's been an official announcement.
Thaxton said he would retire after the Murray fight tonight but in the post fight interview he said he might continue.
cubex
10-03-2009, 08:58 PM
Here's something:
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Harry Chibber
10-03-2009, 09:23 PM
So that's Hatton and Joe really? Clinton I suppose.
We've a few on the way through but genuine world class, I dunno, you can't tell until they step up
Khan is now 'world class' and Moore might soon join him
In the medium term Brook and Cleverly should go far
I don't know why people seem to always leave out Froch
trotter
10-03-2009, 09:26 PM
I don't know why people seem to always leave out Froch
Oops, very true, our top man right now
Maybe because he's never on TV lol
Harry Chibber
10-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Oops, very true, our top man right now
Maybe because he's never on TV lol
blame Hennesy... I do :D
trotter
10-03-2009, 09:45 PM
blame Hennesy... I do :D
lol so do I
Sad for Carl, great lad, involved in good fights all the time and should be getting more recognition
Axl_Nose
10-03-2009, 09:54 PM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
Who the hell gets enjoyment from watching Woods, Skelton, Earl, Williams and Thaxton fight ... ??
Clinton Woods should be regarded as the worst fighter ever to hold a 'World Title' .. He was worse than Richie Woodhall and thats saying something !!
Im on 'spotify' listening to some Prince classics like 'Cream', 'Little Red Corvette', 'Get Off' and 'Raspberry Beret' ......... This is perfect music to listen to while destroying boxing arguments !! Anyone know what happened to Prince ?? He had grooooooove !!
GPater11093
10-03-2009, 10:10 PM
i thin its a good thing
bring on the next era
slip&counter
10-03-2009, 10:14 PM
the biggest problem for British boxing in the future is the lack of coverage, in terms of talent/grass roots/fighters coming threw then the futures bright because they'll be alotta fighters to fill that british/euro void and we'll always get a couple who'll make it to world level, problem is will they get the exposure and pub, i think the sport is stuck in a quagmire at the minute in that sense.
trotter
10-03-2009, 10:17 PM
i thin its a good thing
bring on the next era
That's the right attitude
Loved watching all these guys over the years
But I'm itching to see Brook and Froch and Haye all the others fight again
trotter
10-03-2009, 10:18 PM
I don't know why people seem to always leave out Froch
I also left out Haye !
doug.ie
10-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
do you not regard the british title as being a high level / standard ?
there have been some great, great british champs that havent been world champs.
kosaros
10-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
Who the hell gets enjoyment from watching Woods, Skelton, Earl, Williams and Thaxton fight ... ??
Clinton Woods should be regarded as the worst fighter ever to hold a 'World Title' .. He was worse than Richie Woodhall and thats saying something !!
Im on 'spotify' listening to some Prince classics like 'Cream', 'Little Red Corvette', 'Get Off' and 'Raspberry Beret' ......... This is perfect music to listen to while destroying boxing arguments !! Anyone know what happened to Prince ?? He had grooooooove !!
Me.
Dan684
10-03-2009, 10:20 PM
Me too :good
GPater11093
10-03-2009, 10:21 PM
That's the right attitude
Loved watching all these guys over the years
But I'm itching to see Brook and Froch and Haye all the others fight again
definitly every era has there great fighters
doug.ie
10-03-2009, 10:21 PM
me three
trotter
10-03-2009, 10:32 PM
definitly every era has there great fighters
Course it does, we have a thread every three months saying 'end of an era'
For a country our size we have a ridiculous amount of talent
The next generation seem really exciting. Look at the fighters we have: Froch, Haye, Brook, Cleverly, Moore, Macklin, Mitchell, Barker, Murray, Barker, Price, Fury, Groves, Saunders, Gavin, DeGale, Bellew, Jeffries, Murray Jr......I could go on.
It really is a great time to be a British boxing fan and it could get even better in the next few years when some of these guys move up to world level.
9Ball
10-04-2009, 06:44 AM
The next generation seem really exciting. Look at the fighters we have: Froch, Haye, Brook, Cleverly, Moore, Macklin, Mitchell, Barker, Murray, Barker, Price, Fury, Groves, Saunders, Gavin, DeGale, Bellew, Jeffries, Murray Jr......I could go on.
It really is a great time to be a British boxing fan and it could get even better in the next few years when some of these guys move up to world level.
:good:good:good
9Ball
10-04-2009, 06:44 AM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
Who the hell gets enjoyment from watching Woods, Skelton, Earl, Williams and Thaxton fight ... ??
Clinton Woods should be regarded as the worst fighter ever to hold a 'World Title' .. He was worse than Richie Woodhall and thats saying something !!
Im on 'spotify' listening to some Prince classics like 'Cream', 'Little Red Corvette', 'Get Off' and 'Raspberry Beret' ......... This is perfect music to listen to while destroying boxing arguments !! Anyone know what happened to Prince ?? He had grooooooove !!
:patsch:patsch:patsch
The-Holmes-Show
10-04-2009, 06:53 AM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
Who the hell gets enjoyment from watching Woods, Skelton, Earl, Williams and Thaxton fight ... ??
Clinton Woods should be regarded as the worst fighter ever to hold a 'World Title' .. He was worse than Richie Woodhall and thats saying something !!
Im on 'spotify' listening to some Prince classics like 'Cream', 'Little Red Corvette', 'Get Off' and 'Raspberry Beret' ......... This is perfect music to listen to while destroying boxing arguments !! Anyone know what happened to Prince ?? He had grooooooove !!
Are you serious, Graham Earl versus Micheal Katsidis was one of the best fights ever sen on british t.v and thaxton was a very good gatekeeper who had a fantastic switch hitting style where he could throw lethal hooks, his fight against hatton was truely great, seriously you need to stop looking at a fighters last few performances and think back before they were over the hill.
The-Holmes-Show
10-04-2009, 06:54 AM
The next generation seem really exciting. Look at the fighters we have: Froch, Haye, Brook, Cleverly, Moore, Macklin, Mitchell, Barker, Murray, Barker, Price, Fury, Groves, Saunders, Gavin, DeGale, Bellew, Jeffries, Murray Jr......I could go on.
It really is a great time to be a British boxing fan and it could get even better in the next few years when some of these guys move up to world level.
:deal
Losfer_Words
10-04-2009, 07:15 AM
Course it does, we have a thread every three months saying 'end of an era'
For a country our size we have a ridiculous amount of talent
Exactly, we are not short of talent.
As an aside, Puerto Rico has proven beyond any shadow of doubt that they are the best P4P (shit, did I just use that phrase?) country out there in terms of population:world champion ratio. It's unbelievable when you see the amount of talent that comes through that place year in- year out. I fully expect Cuba to be near the top of that list in a few more years as well.
The next generation seem really exciting. Look at the fighters we have: Froch, Haye, Brook, Cleverly, Moore, Macklin, Mitchell, Barker, Murray, Barker, Price, Fury, Groves, Saunders, Gavin, DeGale, Bellew, Jeffries, Murray Jr......I could go on.
It really is a great time to be a British boxing fan and it could get even better in the next few years when some of these guys move up to world level.
Indubitably:deal:good.
ollyc
10-04-2009, 07:17 AM
Im glad they've all retired, everyone of them were domestic level fighters .. We can do better than them .. Real fighters who arent either failures at top level (Williams, Woods) or micro-managed so that they never faced anybody that wasnt over the hill (Calzaghe) ....
Who the hell gets enjoyment from watching Woods, Skelton, Earl, Williams and Thaxton fight ... ??
Clinton Woods should be regarded as the worst fighter ever to hold a 'World Title' .. He was worse than Richie Woodhall and thats saying something !!
Im on 'spotify' listening to some Prince classics like 'Cream', 'Little Red Corvette', 'Get Off' and 'Raspberry Beret' ......... This is perfect music to listen to while destroying boxing arguments !! Anyone know what happened to Prince ?? He had grooooooove !!
He's not even the worst British fighter to have held a world title.
And if you think Hatton, Calzaghe, Woods & Francis are 'domestic level', what term would you use to describe the likes of Lee Meager, Craig Watson, etc etc
gasman
10-04-2009, 09:10 AM
The next generation seem really exciting. Look at the fighters we have: Froch, Haye, Brook, Cleverly, Moore, Macklin, Mitchell, Barker, Murray, Barker, Price, Fury, Groves, Saunders, Gavin, DeGale, Bellew, Jeffries, Murray Jr......I could go on.
It really is a great time to be a British boxing fan and it could get even better in the next few years when some of these guys move up to world level.
Absolutely, there is some potential world beaters on that list. It is such a pity about ITV4 discontinuing their boxing coverage, because they do such a great job with their boxing programmes, great insight into the fighters and they give us a couple of live undercards before the main event. The upcoming prospects would have benefitted from more of that kind of exposure.
GPater11093
10-04-2009, 09:11 AM
lads the less TV coverage could actually be the best tjhing that ois happening to boxing
TommyV
10-04-2009, 10:23 AM
Williams & Skelton are retired?
avidlemon
10-04-2009, 12:55 PM
rather than an end of an era, i would say a beggining
slip&counter
10-04-2009, 03:58 PM
lads the less TV coverage could actually be the best tjhing that ois happening to boxing
and how do you work that one out?
how the heck can a British world champ in a barnburner fighting on the internet be a good thing for boxing?
GPater11093
10-04-2009, 04:31 PM
s&c ill explain later
slip&counter
10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
I look forward to it GP
i have an idea what your gonna say, but i'll wait for you to put clothes on it:good
GPater11093
10-04-2009, 06:54 PM
right i cant be arsed too much detail but here we go
Im using america here but its same prinicple
Boxing after WW1 to the late 40s was in full swing, there was regular fights and fans who would go and pay to see the fighters with maybe 5 or 6 shows in the same 5 mile radius in some cities and there was plenty of money to be made (from the live gate). Fighters fought more often as the money from the gate wasnt enough to support them so fought every few weeks therefore young prospects learned better and fighters were more better practised.
As TV started coming along it was sparingly with the top fighters fighting on TV for good mony and the young prospects got exposure but th fighters kept doing what they was used to as they still ofght often despite getting better money. As time wore on less little shows were viable a sfans could stay in and watch TV and boxing for free in there home or a pub and these non televised shows lost attentandance. Despite tries by promotors to blank TV coverage in the cities where fights happened to increase attendance. Although there was stil fights in other parts of the countrys the fans could watch instead of paying for live shows.
Now we have almost the ability to watch any show for free through the internet etc... and TV with boxingon most weeks (if not in some form every week). This means small hall shows are suffering as attendances arnt great as fans choose to watch TV and in turn fighters want TV dates etc.. and fight less often as TV dates = more money. Also less shows mens les chnces to fight and gai experiance.
So with less and less boxing coming on TV whys this not good thing as we might be forced to go to live shows to see some of the fights we want to see.
However i thik it is drastic to almost co,pletly shut out TV, what needs to be done IMO is this
- Blanking in areas the fights take place in so if a fights on in York Hall - London is blanked
- less TV dates and reserve these for the big fights like exctiting British title fights and world title fights
- put a delay on American fights and play them on Sunday afternoon the week after they happen
- put a delay on local fights on the boxing websites, torrents etc.. of afew days
But ths will never happen
Dan684
10-04-2009, 06:57 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^ Can't be arsed going into much detail ????
Fucking hate to see you 'going into detail' :lol:
I cannot be arsed reading that :-(
GPater11093
10-04-2009, 06:59 PM
i could of went inot way more detail
gasman
10-04-2009, 07:02 PM
Greg, some of those ideas are Draconian. Delayed US fights, no way, I love my big live Vegas shows at 3am.
I thought you would simply say, less tv options will force promoters to make better matches in order to get their tv contracts/exposure.
There should be more TV dates for the small hall shows, it will help them to turn a profit and maybe lower ticket prices??
Dan684
10-04-2009, 07:03 PM
Yeah Greg them ides are daft
Buck-up !!!!!!!! :good
Pug1list
10-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Blank tv coverage in local areas, don't think this will work somehow, the NFL does something similar.
GPater11093
10-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Greg, some of those ideas are Draconian. Delayed US fights, no way, I love my big live Vegas shows at 3am.
I thought you would simply say, less tv options will force promoters to make better matches in order to get their tv contracts/exposure.
There should be more TV dates for the small hall shows, it will help them to turn a profit and maybe lower ticket prices??
so do i but these arnt the main fights you would target it would be more the local shows like Murray vs lawton. You know not a big UK fight
Obviously the big american fights wouldnt make no difference
also yes definitly it will make promoters work for better matchs
yes but will we get more TV dates? also this means more money for the fighter which is bad for boxing IMO the guys get the money too early they need more fights.
Yeah Greg them ides are daft
Buck-up !!!!!!!! :good
thought you didnt read it
Blank tv coverage in local areas, don't think this will work somehow, the NFL does something similar.
why not?
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