Your opinion why Cotto will beat SSM

[kirk]

Im curious... I really really like cotto, top 10 favorite of mine, and im rooting for him a bit in this fight, though its hard as hell to root against shane.

anyways... that being said....

I dont see it. I really dont give him much of a shot at all. You all know i think cotto is an A fighter, a really good fighter. awsome.

But shane is a great fighter, who rises to the occasion when needed except against 2 men, Prime Forrest and Winky... and the second winky fight wasnt THAT bad.

He is much smaller then both those men.

Cotto... is smaller then Mosley.

I dont even REMEMBER the last time mosley fought someone smaller then him... at least shorter if not smaller, cuz cotto can be a bull sometimes.

but anyways...

i dont see what cotto brings to this fight, against mosley, that is going to be enough to BEAT shane.

Power? His attack? is he going to outbox him?

Cotto fights the same way everytime.... and thats good, but its not going to do anything against shane.

Shanes speed will show BIGTIME... and like judah, torres, and corley... hes going to buz cotto, except he will show the differance between really good fighters, in those guys.. and not being able to do anything with it, and a great fighter... which he is, and have cotto hurt often until hes able to finish him later in the fight (due to cottos determination, survival skills and heart)

Cotto is just too much of a slow, stalker, power punching type to be effective against shane imo. He will be cought with his feet planted so many times, and shane will put combos on him like none hes seen.

Yes... he will do damage, but shane is TOUGH...

thing is... shane can get fustrated, maybe if cotto can withstand and avoid a lot of shanes offence early... and start setting up his usual onsloaught to the body and head... towards the middle and later rounds shane will be on the backfoot, fustrated.

But idk... i would like your opinions on how and why cotto is going to win this fight.

With cottos weakness against speed and power.... shane having those in tons, and fighting someone his own size, who imo just doesnt have the ability or physical tools (long arms, height, boxing ability) to just totally OUTBOX him... the size to bully him, the power to truly hurt him without it being a war of attrition (in which like ive said i think he loses because i think shane stings him a lot)

i just dont see it.

[jimmie]

Ive tried long and hard to find a way Cotto could win and I see no way unless he low blows agian.

[freddy-wak]

im pretty shook up about this fight too, but i just feel cotto will be to much for shane right now...he just never stops coming forward, with real bombs, not no pitty pat shit..

[El Bombasto]

perhaps shane is shot, then cotto would have a pretty good chance

[Thor]

Shane does tend to get frustrated more so than other fighters and he shows it. If Cotto is still around after a few rounds, we may say that frustrated look again. I like both guys, but I want Cotto to win. Even though somebody is going to lose, I hope they can at least show a great performance.

[kirk]

im pretty shook up about this fight too, but i just feel cotto will be to much for shane right now...he just never stops coming forward, with real bombs, not no pitty pat shit.. you dont think this will play into shanes hands freddy?

never stops coming forward - straight into shanes powercombos
with real bombs - meaning his feet is almost always planted while throwing, he is hardly a mobile fighter that would be able to deal with shane a bit easier by using angles and movement.

I think people are looking too much at what cotto brings to this fight which is, of course his power, stamina, workrate, pit bull like determination and non stop wear you down attack... intelligantly placed punches.

but... imo, a guy of cottos size just isnt going to beat shane that way.... i really dont care who you are, not when your so succeptable to power and speed yourself, and more often then not, a stationary target, i guess what im saying is i think shane can take what cotto gives a lot better then how cotto is going to take what shane gives.

i respect your opinion though, cant wait for this fight bro.

[Antwuan Maxx]

If limited fighters like Jose Luis Cruz and David Estrada could put enough hands on him to win rounds, Luis Collazo could outbox and discourage him, and a shot Fernando Vargas could fight him on even terms, I don't think Cotto beating him should be out of the question.

[bigeddie27]

i just dont know about this one. Shane looked extremly sharp against callazo, reminded me of how we was at welter back in 2000 - 20001. I always thought that shane should have never left welter, this is his weight. I see shane winning this one, and yes expect a Cotto lowblow. trust me on that he is a dirty fuck.

[kirk]

shane hasnt ko anybody besides a shot vargas since 2001!!! ha beat an injured collazo!! cotto would just pressure him all night long this will frustrate ssm!!! his age will show on this fight!! a lot of people said that jab was to fast for cotto and look at what happened!! cotto in 10!!!!

come on man.... thats zab judah. he retreats, he freezes, and besides all that he had cotto stunned early.... just like mosley is going to. Thing is, cotto is not going to get off mosleys hook like he did with zab. Cotto beat zab because not only is he the better fighter, hes just greater... his spirit, there is nothing inside that zab has over him.

in this fight, not only is he fighting someone whos as talented as zab, he has the spirit to back it up.

ill be rooting for cotto... but like i said, i think people will be suprised how easily shane handles it.

[China_hand_Joe]

If Vargas could win rounds...

[kirk]

If limited fighters like Jose Luis Cruz and David Estrada could put enough hands on him to win rounds, Luis Collazo could outbox and discourage him, and a shot Fernando Vargas could fight him on even terms, I don't think Cotto beating him should be out of the question. Great point maxx... and i gave that a lot of thought... and wondered the same thing.

But i think its safe to say that the mosley of today, through keeping himself in the gym non stop.... is a better version of the one that fought estrada and cruz.

as for vargas fighting on even terms, even though hes shot, lets be real... vargas is still a force even at this stage, he beat castillejo in his previous fight who then went up to ko sturm.

but your right.... i never quite understood why estrada was able to hang like he did... and if anything that gives me hope.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Great point maxx... and i gave that a lot of thought... and wondered the same thing.

But i think its safe to say that the mosley of today, through keeping himself in the gym non stop.... is a better version of the one that fought estrada and cruz.

I honestly think Mosley's performances in the Vargas rematch and the Collazo fight were more indicative of his opponents not being at their best rather than Shane being a better fighter than he was against Cruz or Estrada.

as for vargas fighting on even terms, even though hes shot, lets be real... vargas is still a force even at this stage, he beat castillejo in his previous fight who then went up to ko sturm.

True enough, but he didn't look particularly impressive in that fight and also had his jaw nearly broken in the process.

[tampa]

cotto is going to outwork him. cotto is a volume puncher

[tampa]

i think cotto has to chill for about 3-4 rounds. let shane get lil tired. then start chopping him down like he always does.why switch now. undefeated for a reason

[Caper]

Cotto in 10

I've explained it to many times though Kirk......but I respect your opinion some dudes on this site are extremely pretentious and seem to have one track minds. You view the fight objectively and came up with your analysis....much respect.

[kirk]

I honestly think Mosley's performances in the Vargas rematch and the Collazo fight were more indicative of his opponents not being at their best rather than Shane being a better fighter than he was against Cruz or Estrada.



True enough, but he didn't look particularly impressive in that fight and also had his jaw nearly broken in the process.

yes yes... good points maxx and duelly noted :good Those too have run through my mind.

the only remaining things i would have to say is.... david estrada is 2 inches taller with i think 4 or 5 inches in reach over cotto, cruz on the other hand... hell i dont know what to think about that.

[kirk]

You're on a two-way street

If a SHOT 140lber like Ottke Urkal can take Cotto's best and frustrated him..then he's in trouble with Shane..

Not to mention all the trouble the limited banger Torres had him in..

Just remember

Shane can crack a lot harder than CHOP CHOP CORLEY:yep

yes but that happens frequently in boxing... a lesser puncher can stun a greater opponent, and then when fighting someone who hits harder then the lesser opponent who stunned the subject fighter, people say well if so and so stunned him then this guy is going to knock him out.

examples

if chop chop stunned him, zab is gonna knock him out - cotto
if chop chop stung him, hoya is going to drop him - mayweather
if rivera dropped him early, hes not making it past the 6th - vargas with hoya

but you make good points about urkal...

[brooklyn1550]

Cotto and Mosley will show up at their best. I think Cotto may go through some rough moments early, but his youth and determination will show as the fight progresses. I expect him to use the jab in this fight and I expect it to be effective. Cotto will start to dig into Mosley's ribcage and will throw a lot of punches. I see Cotto winning the championship rounds to secure a unanimous decision.

[Antwuan Maxx]

You're on a two-way street

If a SHOT 140lber like Ottke Urkal can take Cotto's best and frustrated him..then he's in trouble with Shane..

Oktay Urkal wasn't prime, but he wasn't shot either. He fought Vivian Harris on even terms twice with a broken nose. And yeah he frustrated Cotto because he was deliberately headbutting.

Not to mention all the trouble the limited banger Torres gave him.

Yeah, a limited banger who's shown something Shane hasn't in 6 years...power.

Just remember

Shane can crack a lot harder than CHOP CHOP CORLEY:yep

Just as Cotto can crack a lot harder to the body than Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest. Winky made him grimace, Vernon made him scream, Cotto will have him pissing blood. :yep

[brooklyn1550]

Oktay Urkal wasn't prime, but he wasn't shot either. He fought Vivian Harris on even terms twice with a broken nose. And yeah he frustrated Cotto because he was deliberately headbutting.

Agreed....and Cotto looked heavy on fight night. I don't think he showed up at his best that night because he was facing Oktay Urkal.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Agreed....and Cotto looked heavy on fight night. I don't think he showed up at his best that night because he was facing Oktay Urkal.

Yeah, he looked like Juan Diaz physique wise that night. :lol:

[MSTR]

Im curious... I really really like cotto, top 10 favorite of mine, and im rooting for him a bit in this fight, though its hard as hell to root against shane.

anyways... that being said....

I dont see it. I really dont give him much of a shot at all. You all know i think cotto is an A fighter, a really good fighter. awsome.

But shane is a great fighter, who rises to the occasion when needed except against 2 men, Prime Forrest and Winky... and the second winky fight wasnt THAT bad.

He is much smaller then both those men.

Cotto... is smaller then Mosley.

I dont even REMEMBER the last time mosley fought someone smaller then him... at least shorter if not smaller, cuz cotto can be a bull sometimes.

but anyways...

i dont see what cotto brings to this fight, against mosley, that is going to be enough to BEAT shane.

Power? His attack? is he going to outbox him?

Cotto fights the same way everytime.... and thats good, but its not going to do anything against shane.

Shanes speed will show BIGTIME... and like judah, torres, and corley... hes going to buz cotto, except he will show the differance between really good fighters, in those guys.. and not being able to do anything with it, and a great fighter... which he is, and have cotto hurt often until hes able to finish him later in the fight (due to cottos determination, survival skills and heart)

Cotto is just too much of a slow, stalker, power punching type to be effective against shane imo. He will be cought with his feet planted so many times, and shane will put combos on him like none hes seen.

Yes... he will do damage, but shane is TOUGH...

thing is... shane can get fustrated, maybe if cotto can withstand and avoid a lot of shanes offence early... and start setting up his usual onsloaught to the body and head... towards the middle and later rounds shane will be on the backfoot, fustrated.

But idk... i would like your opinions on how and why cotto is going to win this fight.

With cottos weakness against speed and power.... shane having those in tons, and fighting someone his own size, who imo just doesnt have the ability or physical tools (long arms, height, boxing ability) to just totally OUTBOX him... the size to bully him, the power to truly hurt him without it being a war of attrition (in which like ive said i think he loses because i think shane stings him a lot)

i just dont see it.
There are a couple of incorrect statments in this post. For one, Cotto is naturally bigger then Shane, and will come into the ring the bigger man (by weight). Secondly, Cotto fights very differently depending on the opponent. Lately he has been in with counter punchers, so he has been all pressure. Against shane I expect the same, although been orthadox it will allow him to put his combinations together easier then against Judah and Qunitana. Shane doesn't have the jab too keep Cotto at bay. And he isn't a mover like Floyd. Cotto is the better in-fighter, and thats where the fight will go. His workrate at 147 is much better. His punches are more powerful then Mosleys at this point in this career. And in close quarters his body work and combinations are better. Cotto will get tagged coming in with that right hand, but he will keep the hands high and will be looking for it. He has a very strong jab, which is something that has troubled shane in the past. Expect him to work inside off the jab, and then outwork Shane with the shorter and harder punches in close.

[MSTR]

Cotto can't jab with Shane..not with those short arms

Mosely has a 74" reach

Cotto's is a mere 65"

Ya'll are forgetting

Shane can dig to the body with the best of them:deal ..

He had Oscar folded over..Cotto has never fought at that level..much less hurt or beat anybody as good as Oscar

What happens if Cotto can't back Shane up??

Miguel is too short to fight backing up..not with a 56" reach..He'll be a sitting duck

Shane can fight forewards or backwards..that's the luxury of having freakishly long arms..He has a plan B:yep
Shane has never had a good jab. Cotto does, and uses his superior movement when throwing it to make it effective. Cotto WILL back him up without doubt.

[the_what]

Cotto has a great left hook to the body. But Shane needs to worry about the right hand. The right hand is what tends to get the job done. He dropped Judah, Pinto, Malignaggi, Torres, Bailey with that right hand of his.

[the_what]

Just as Cotto can crack a lot harder to the body than Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest. Winky made him grimace, Vernon made him scream, Cotto will have him pissing blood. :yep

I cant get that image out of my mind. Shane let out a "UUUUHHHHHH" in round 10 after the Forrest bodyshot.

Cotto is definately getting in that ass. :yep

[Relentless]

i think the old cotto could have handled it better, when he used to keep his hands up, box, throw combos move his head.

[Antwuan Maxx]

How do you know Cotto can crack harder to the body than Forrest??

Probably because I don't recall Forrest KOing or even hurting many other fighters to the body.

Now your just trippin

If Chop Chop's LIGHT ASS can have him on ELVIS LEGS..then Shane will have that sissy breakdancing:deal

Yeah, because this is the same weight drained fighter Shane will be fighting come November.

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:lol:

Please. David Estrada was getting rocked left and right by Ishe Smith. Shane couldn't hurt him anymore than Ishe. So what does that mean?

[Drew101]

A few points that work in Cotto's favor:

Shane has a tendency, at times, to throw wide punches, and a fighter like Cotto, whose punches generally are more compact, can beat him to the punch if he times his punches properly.

SSM still has the edge in terms of handspeed, and would still be considered the better boxer of the two. But, Cotto isn't without defensive skill, and, as stated before, if he's patient in the first couple of rounds, and works behind his jab, then he'll allow himself the opportunity to slip some of those wide shots, and counter effectively on the inside.

Cotto fights pretty well as a southpaw; he got Ceballos and Quintana in trouble from that stance, and can switch up in order to throw off an opponent's rythm. Against a fighter like Mosley, that could work to his advantage.

Shane's 36, and, at that point, a fighter's reflexes start to diminish, even if it's ever so slightly. For a fighter like Mosley, who relied so much on those reflexes, that's bad news against a fighter like Cotto, who can make a fighter pay for leaving punches out there, or staying in one place for too long.

An SSM victory isn't out of the question, but, then again, neither is a Cotto victory, and, to be honest, right now I think Cotto beats Mosley, based upon their recent performances.

[jlrivera81]

I can understand the concern about the Cotto vs Urkal fight. But you have to remember there are just some fighters out there who give people problems regardless of how good they are. Remember urkal went the distance Kostya as well. Also, let's not forget to mention the many below average fighters that people like floyd and roy went the distance with. you still cant take away from their greatness.

However, while I will be rooting for cotto 110%, i do have all the same concerns as many cotto fans do against mosley. But i feel that Mosley's best days are behind him and inn the end, he will not be able to handle cotto's effective aggression.

[Antwuan Maxx]

dude forest can punch with anyone.

Forrest can bang, no doubt. I was just letting the boy know, Forrest isn't particularly known for body punching.

Cotto couldn't even hurt 140lb WASHED-UP Ottke Urkal..What does that mean?

Vivian Harris put that mofo to sleep:rofl

In his backyard(Germany)

Yeah, the same Oktay Urkal who went toe to toe with Kostya Tszyu for 12 rounds having his jaw broken in the process and never going down. And from the looks of it, you didn't see Harris-Urkal 2. Just to let you know, Urkal was dropped with a right hook after a clash of heads. He made it to his feet and the ref waved the fight off. He wasn't even close to going to sleep. Stop talking out the ass.

Vernon Forrest would have KNOCKED COTTO THE FUCK OUT with those bodypunches that made Shane grunt..

Cotto would have shit on Jim Lamplay's scorecard:lol:

Yeah, if you say so, it must be true Mr. I talk out the ass and make shit up as I go along and add smiley's in an attempt to look clever. You must feel really good about yourself right now. :good

[MSTR]

Shane never had a good jab??:rofl :rofl :rofl

Somebody get this fool some help:nut
Shane paws his jab. Its the major reason he gets into trouble against guys like Winky and Vernon who both have effective jabs. If you can't see that maybe you should watch more of his fights. Shanes strenghts are his combinations and power punches, not his jab. He uses it more often then not to set things up.

[Antwuan Maxx]

So what about going toe to toe with Zoo
Vince Phillips was on crack and did that:lol: ..And then knocked the overrated mofo out.

Just like Ricardo Mayorga knocked out that overrated mofo Forrest in 3 rounds smoking cigarettes by the dozen.

I did see the Harris/Urkal fight...Ottke got caught with a right hand and was too out of it to continue..

But I thought he was put to sleep?

The fight was in Germany..

Stop trying to make it seem like Ottke got shafted..It was HIS ref..

Germans aren't known for cheating to help foreigners

:lol: It was a US based referee man.

[Antwuan Maxx]

forrest is not known for body punching because like shane he has a large repetoire of punches, unlike cotto who relies far to much on his left hook.

Cotto's left hook is his signature punch, but to imply he doesn't have anything else in his arsenal is being silly.

[Relentless]

if you have seen some of cotto's recent fights he doesn't rely on the left hook much any more, its all about the jabd and southpaw straight left.

[the_what]

it's they only puch he is great at. shane is great at many things. shane forgot more than cotto knows.

I wish Mosley went into the fight with that line of thinking. It would be an easy night for Cotto.

[MSTR]

it's they only puch he is great at. shane is great at many things. shane forgot more than cotto knows.
This is a pretty silly post.

[Napoleon]

Your opinion why Cotto will beat SSM

He won't Mosley TKO 8 Cotto.

[liljp361]

Your about right. The main reason Shane will win is because he is a tough motherfucker...you better remember that.

[jlrivera81]

Tell that to the guys that were picking on Shane because he struggled with a few fighters..

if somebody can mention Estrada..then I can mention Urkal

If Mosley's best days are behind him..WHY IS COTTO FIGHTING HIM??

WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT HIM AT THIS POINT OF HIS CAREER?

Cotto is fighting him b/c it will help make a name for himself for the general public. Also, while it is a fact that Mosley is not in his prime, he is still one of the top dawgs out there. There really arent any better options for Cotto out there that will help move him to superstardom.

[brownshell]

Cotto is walking into the toughest fight of his career. If fights the same style he usually does, he might get KO'd out!!!!

[Shane_Erich]

Cotto is my 2nd favorite fighter behind Mosley. That being said, I go back and forth on this fight, but Molsey will win. Cotto's only chances are his toughness and wearing Mosley down and winning a UD, I don't think there is any way he can KO Mosley. Mosley on the other hand has the speed, the size, and throws alot sharper punches then Cotto, and Cotto is there to be hit all night. Cotto's chin will be tested this fight and we will find out if his weaker chin at 140 really had to due with his weight loss and ear drum issue.

Mosley 7th round KO

[charlievint]

Im curious... I really really like cotto, top 10 favorite of mine, and im rooting for him a bit in this fight, though its hard as hell to root against shane.

anyways... that being said....

I dont see it. I really dont give him much of a shot at all. You all know i think cotto is an A fighter, a really good fighter. awsome.

But shane is a great fighter, who rises to the occasion when needed except against 2 men, Prime Forrest and Winky... and the second winky fight wasnt THAT bad.

He is much smaller then both those men.

Cotto... is smaller then Mosley.

I dont even REMEMBER the last time mosley fought someone smaller then him... at least shorter if not smaller, cuz cotto can be a bull sometimes.

but anyways...

i dont see what cotto brings to this fight, against mosley, that is going to be enough to BEAT shane.

Power? His attack? is he going to outbox him?

Cotto fights the same way everytime.... and thats good, but its not going to do anything against shane.

Shanes speed will show BIGTIME... and like judah, torres, and corley... hes going to buz cotto, except he will show the differance between really good fighters, in those guys.. and not being able to do anything with it, and a great fighter... which he is, and have cotto hurt often until hes able to finish him later in the fight (due to cottos determination, survival skills and heart)

Cotto is just too much of a slow, stalker, power punching type to be effective against shane imo. He will be cought with his feet planted so many times, and shane will put combos on him like none hes seen.

Yes... he will do damage, but shane is TOUGH...

thing is... shane can get fustrated, maybe if cotto can withstand and avoid a lot of shanes offence early... and start setting up his usual onsloaught to the body and head... towards the middle and later rounds shane will be on the backfoot, fustrated.

But idk... i would like your opinions on how and why cotto is going to win this fight.

With cottos weakness against speed and power.... shane having those in tons, and fighting someone his own size, who imo just doesnt have the ability or physical tools (long arms, height, boxing ability) to just totally OUTBOX him... the size to bully him, the power to truly hurt him without it being a war of attrition (in which like ive said i think he loses because i think shane stings him a lot)

i just dont see it.

I can't imagine Shane loosing. Not knocking mister Cotto...he's a very strong and talented fighter, but he is pretty much easier to predict. He has an asenal of punches but he's always right in front of you pressing forward.

Shane is too quick to let a plodding Cotto corner him...at least not for the majority of the fight and the speed will be a HUGE factor along with Shane's power back at 147. He was a very powerful puncher when he was at 147 and I think we'll all see the power come back when he returns to his best weight class.

I see Cotto getting KO'd....if not a UD for Shane. But I think Cotto will be the man to beat in a couple of years. Right now Shane is too much for him.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Frenzy and dmelicious don't know shit about boxing...especially Frenzy. This guy sounds like a fucking idiot.

[MSTR]

Frenzy and dmelicious don't know shit about boxing...especially Frenzy. This guy sounds like a fucking idiot.
Thank god someone else can realise this.

[Chicago Nights]

I love Mosley but one thing I ask myself is why would Cottos people put him in there unless they were sure he could win? Miguels career has been brialliantly guided, he has been given stepping stones at exactly the right times to progress logically. They know more about boxing than I do.

With my heart, Im saying Mosley by 12 round decision. But with my head I can say neither man is going to get knocked out, cuts/facial damage or more likely, a headbutt. Mosleys biggest concern has to be having enough stamina to go a hard 12. Cotto's biggest concern will be dealing with someone who can body punch just as good as him for a change.

Nothing would surpise me in this fight.

[MSTR]

Some say that Mosley will completely outbox Cotto on the outside and then knock him out, but what they fail to realize is that Miguel can track boxers down as good as anyone in the sport right now. Not only that, unlike most boxers, Mosley likes to sit down on his punches and throw down in there so I believe the majority of the fight will be an inside battle.

Shane might start off trying to box and move on the outside, but eventually the fight will turn into a slugfest on the inside, and on the inside Cotto has the advantage with his shorter arms and more consistent body punching. I think the fight will be close but combine Cotto's short punching combos and Shane's so-so defense. and I think Miguel takes this close.... and I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto were to drop Mosley with a well placed hook to the body.
My thoughts exactly. The fight will eventually go to the inside, as Shane isn't a mover. Cotto being the better infighter should be able to win the fight here, especially considering he has the shorter, harder punches in close quarters.

[Toopretty]

My thoughts exactly. The fight will eventually go to the inside, as Shane isn't a mover. Cotto being the better infighter should be able to win the fight here, especially considering he has the shorter, harder punches in close quarters.

I think Mosley may hurt Cotto a little early and may get a standing 8 or a knockdown but Cotto is one of the strongest 147 guys and he is an accurate puncher and I cant see somebody beating Cotto with average at best defense. Mosley gets hit too much and does not use his legs at all.

[Scar]

He won't!, Shane will knock Cotto out!

[Chileno606]

After a few rounds of Cotto steaming through Mosley and landing hand clean shots, Mosleys corner will start to panic and Mosley will become frustrated more and more as he takes a beating round after round. David fucking Estrada was giving Mosley trouble sometimes with his aggressive style. Cotto will pummel him round after round. Mosley will retire after the beating.