View Full Version : Credit to John Murray
rumour24tiger
10-04-2009, 07:32 AM
Regardless of what you think of the stoppage, John Murray boxed superbly last night. His footwork was excellent, allowing him to be in position to land hard left hook leads. He also countered well, making Thaxton pay for wild lunges, especially with that last right hand.
Murray looked lean, mean, solid and mature. He's beyond doubt British #1, but is not going to meet his match at British level.
He had wanted Thaxton for so long, and you could see the amount of planning and research that he and his team had done.
I would love to see him fight Yuri Romanov, then Katsidis. What great fights those would be.
Also, with him being European mandatory - after 4 stoppage wins over top 10 EBU ranked contenders - I think he should get a shot at Mezaache, an easier fight.
A shame for Jon Thaxton, etc etc - but I sincerely doubt he "was going to get him [Murray] late - and this is the John Murray show, not the Thaxton show. Let the show roll on, and let the whining stop.
Losfer_Words
10-04-2009, 07:37 AM
I was also impressed. It was a great technical performance and, if he continues to box like that (i.e. sensibly), he may just get beyond the Euro scene. Let's not kid ourselves, though- 135 is one of the most stacked divisions out there. He has proven beyond a doubt that he is the best in the country now, although few thought otherwise anyway.
kleonkinch
10-04-2009, 08:19 AM
Yeah, credit to Murray. Waiting for Thaxton to have nothing left before fighting him was a good idea.
nufc16
10-04-2009, 08:22 AM
i think Romanov would box his ears off, but then there'd be no shame in that as an active Romanov is world class.
katsidis he has a chance with, but murray seems a little shot shy at times. when you walk people down like he does, you've got to let your shots go when you get in range, and he's a bit hesitant at times, especially early on, and seems to be waiting for the perfect opening too much, which i dont think he really can afford to do. Murray is a decent puncher but he's certainly not a knock out artist, and needs to be landing as many punches as he can when he gets in range.
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 08:25 AM
I think he's good enough to beat Romanov. Ask yourself this would he have beaten a peak Grahm Earl. I'd say 100% yes and the thing is we've not seen the best of him yet. He seems to have way more in the tank. I was impressed with him. He looks potential world class to me.
avidlemon
10-04-2009, 08:27 AM
Yeah, credit to Murray. Waiting for Thaxton to have nothing left before fighting him was a good idea.
I tell you what, comments like that should be left in people's heads, and not said. They fought now, and were not likely to fight each other until Thaxton lost his euro title.
Why can't we just be happy for one of our own, who may make it on the world scene?
It is not Murray's fault his is a victim of not being born earlier
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 08:29 AM
Yeah, credit to Murray. Waiting for Thaxton to have nothing left before fighting him was a good idea.He'd have beat him anytime they fought he's a better fighter. :thumbsup
nufc16
10-04-2009, 08:29 AM
shocking that romanov hasnt fought since the thaxton fight.
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 08:40 AM
shocking that romanov hasnt fought since the thaxton fight.yep... his management team are retards.
Mr Butt
10-04-2009, 08:50 AM
murray was very impressive last night ,it seemed like he was content to follow his game plan and take control when his chance came
Mr Butt
10-04-2009, 08:51 AM
murray was very impressive last night ,it seemed like he was content to follow his game plan and take control when his chance came
Mr Butt
10-04-2009, 08:52 AM
murray was very impressive last night ,it seemed like he was content to follow his game plan and take control when his chance came
Mr Butt
10-04-2009, 08:53 AM
murray was very impressive last night ,it seemed like he was content to follow his game plan and take control when his chance came
gasman
10-04-2009, 09:06 AM
Murray is ready for his shot at world title, no question about it. He has had 28 fights now and proved himself.
faisal
10-04-2009, 09:07 AM
good performance he did what was expected
rumour24tiger
10-04-2009, 09:22 AM
Yeah, credit to Murray. Waiting for Thaxton to have nothing left before fighting him was a good idea.or perhaps, their promoter waited until he could get the absolute most out of thaxton's career, before putting him in with a monster like john murray.
murray has dominated at british level, boxing is seldom about prime vs prime, it is almost always about guys at different stages of their careers going at it. props to murray for his 4th stoppage of a british title challenger, for doing the business in such a controlled and exciting manner.
he is clearly ready to move on.
rumour24tiger
10-04-2009, 09:25 AM
shocking that romanov hasnt fought since the thaxton fight.what a great time to pick on such a dangerous opponent. while a romanov fight wouldn't get murray a european or world title, the risk v reward looks good. last time romanov was out so long he lost to earl. reckon same would happen with murray. though i would pick murray over romanov even if romanov had been fighting every 3 months.
romanov - a great opponent for murray to make his name against. a potentially great fight, as well. i think te key is to back up romanov, make him work, not allow him to pause for breath.
doug.ie
10-04-2009, 09:49 AM
he was great last night.
abzmanc
10-04-2009, 10:09 AM
Murray is ready for his shot at world title, no question about it. He has had 28 fights now and proved himself.
Say what? Who's he fought in any Organisation bodies top ten to earn a World Title shot?
He did well last night, but you need to put it into perspective. He fought a fighter who has lost his last 2 fights.
achillesthegreat
10-04-2009, 10:49 AM
Murray could only fight like that cos Jono is done. Against top level, they'd eat him alive and he'd have to step on the gas to try and get them out of there.
rumour24tiger
10-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Murray could only fight like that cos Jono is done. Against top level, they'd eat him alive and he'd have to step on the gas to try and get them out of there.in jono's previous ligthweight fight, his previous championship fight, he lost controversially and narrowly in a terrific 12 rounder. i would hardly say he's done. jono has made great comebacks, but murray wouldn't let him into it.
if ppl cannot recognise such a classy and accomplished display of boxing when they see it, something is clearly wrong.
just think, if thaxton had beaten mezaache, he would never have defended vs murray, a fight with massive slip up potential.
this was the only way murray was ever going to get hold of thaxton - coming off losses - and i'm chuffed for murray that he gave thaxton a bit of a lesson.
i just hope lee mcallister - another murray victim - hasn't beaten murray to the EBU title shot.
achillesthegreat
10-04-2009, 01:26 PM
in jono's previous ligthweight fight, his previous championship fight, he lost controversially and narrowly in a terrific 12 rounder. i would hardly say he's done. jono has made great comebacks, but murray wouldn't let him into it.
if ppl cannot recognise such a classy and accomplished display of boxing when they see it, something is clearly wrong.
just think, if thaxton had beaten mezaache, he would never have defended vs murray, a fight with massive slip up potential.
this was the only way murray was ever going to get hold of thaxton - coming off losses - and i'm chuffed for murray that he gave thaxton a bit of a lesson.
i just hope lee mcallister - another murray victim - hasn't beaten murray to the EBU title shot.
both were average fighters. he could have won but he isn't sharp any more. Jono is a good fighter so it is a good win but his reflexes and timing are way off in every fight.
mezaache should have never came so close to the the EBU title but Jono was continously off.
Again, a good win for Murray cos he was tenacious but in an intelligent way.
jordan1
10-04-2009, 01:42 PM
If Murray stays focus he will win a world title...:yep
destruction
10-04-2009, 02:52 PM
He beat a figher that should have been consigned to the knackers yard before the fight.
Thaxton is clearly shot to peices and he wobbled when any shot connected.
Therefore last night told me nothing about Murray, and he will need to fight someone who can take a punch and then I will judge.
I do believe from watching his previous fights that he does have the ability to deliver at European level and win a title there.
I will be fully supporting him then.
Very good little fighter.
If only he moved a little more swiftly. Can't help feeling he's going to look a right plodder against a good boxer/mover.
Oh and his guard is weird, there is a big hole straight down the middle.
Say what? Who's he fought in any Organisation bodies top ten to earn a World Title shot?
He did well last night, but you need to put it into perspective. He fought a fighter who has lost his last 2 fights.
Who had Khan fought to earn a world title shot (at LWW)?
jordan1
10-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Can't wait for his next fight.....:good
PaddyD1983
10-04-2009, 03:09 PM
Though it was a cracking performance last night. Picked his shots well, fairly tight guard against an awkward fighter. TFFP, Jono is all about the hooks and uppercuts so I'm guessing Murray held his arms wider than normal to counter that. Elbows tucked in tight.
For me though, I was most impressed with Murray's patience. He never rushed, never panicked. It was a good atmosphere in the venue but most wanted blood early doors. Murray just stuck to his game plan and it worked a treat. I'd say European titles are well within his grasp now. Katisidis is an interesting one if that comes off it'd be a great scrap. Katsidis has been in with much better opposition though, maybe wait another 8 months or so before chasing him.
El Cepillo
10-04-2009, 03:11 PM
Murray looked good, over the short period of time. I would have liked to have seen if he could have kept things as tight over the full 12x3.
pne buz
10-04-2009, 03:54 PM
I think he's good enough to beat Romanov. Ask yourself this would he have beaten a peak Grahm Earl. I'd say 100% yes and the thing is we've not seen the best of him yet. He seems to have way more in the tank. I was impressed with him. He looks potential world class to me.
Spot on and ive been saying this for a bit.Whats not to like?
Olu G. Rotimi
10-05-2009, 05:55 AM
I think he's good enough to beat Romanov. Ask yourself this would he have beaten a peak Grahm Earl. I'd say 100% yes and the thing is we've not seen the best of him yet. He seems to have way more in the tank. I was impressed with him. He looks potential world class to me.
I would like to see Murray against Amir Khan. I think Murray can take Khan.
rumour24tiger
10-05-2009, 06:15 AM
He beat a figher that should have been consigned to the knackers yard before the fight.
Thaxton is clearly shot to peices and he wobbled when any shot connected.
Therefore last night told me nothing about Murray, and he will need to fight someone who can take a punch and then I will judge.
I do believe from watching his previous fights that he does have the ability to deliver at European level and win a title there.
I will be fully supporting him then.Romanov wobbled him loads of times, Thaxton looked off in that fight, yet came back to KO Melero, the Spaniard who had almost beaten Romanov. Thaxton has made a few impressive comebacks, so he deserved his shot last Sat, as opposed to being left in the knackers yard.
Surely the way in which he handled a southpaw, at the very least, would tell you something about Murray. And Thaxton's wobbles may have had something to do with Murray's accuracy and sharpness.
rumour24tiger
10-05-2009, 06:21 AM
both were average fighters. he could have won but he isn't sharp any more. Jono is a good fighter so it is a good win but his reflexes and timing are way off in every fight.
mezaache should have never came so close to the the EBU title but Jono was continously off.
Again, a good win for Murray cos he was tenacious but in an intelligent way.well, mezaache is now one of the top fighters in europe, thanks to back to back wins over thaxton and kudriavtsev. what a difference spitting that gumshield out made.
but like i say, if thaxton had KO'd mezaache in 1, he would have looked upward to some big(ish) reward fight, not downward, to a slip up fight like murray. hence, i believe, when thaxton was outside looking in, it was the only time he was likely to face murray. murray got hold of the only version of thaxton he was ever going to be allowed to face, IMO, and delivered.
i remmeber talking to joe gallagher after romanov beat thaxton. he was furious, and told me he believed murray would've done something like that, to thaxton. (and then they wanted to be there, rather than mezaache, when murray v thaxton would have had the most reward ie british champ v euro champ.) it's not like team murray waited.
in many ways, i feel fro jon thaxton. a hard luck career, but this is what makes his successes all the more impressive. a cracking pro, a warrior, and british boxing will miss him. can he resist one more british title fight, to have a lonsdale belt for keeps, once murray moves to the next level?
whatcouldabeen
10-05-2009, 06:33 AM
i was very impressed with how calm he was
icemax
10-05-2009, 06:41 AM
Very good little fighter.
If only he moved a little more swiftly. Can't help feeling he's going to look a right plodder against a good boxer/mover.
Oh and his guard is weird, there is a big hole straight down the middle.
What this bloke says^^^Murray looks so one dimensional he could be a cardboard cutout at times...shuffle forward, hands up doesn't cut it at world level.
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