View Full Version : Everyone's a damn "prospect" in Britain
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 10:57 AM
Seriously, it seems every fucking time I watch boxing they're always talking about how so and so has so much potential and will be a big star in the future.
Khan
John Murray
Joe Murray
Kell Brook
De Gale
BJ Saunders
Tyson Fury
Cleverly
Gavin Reese
Frankie Gavin
You'd think that in the next few years Britain would have a production line of world champions the way the "experts" are banging on about every single young fighter in Britain that's undefeated. :roll:
I think Khan could go far but some of the praise the others get is ridiculous. Joe Murray has had how many fights? Already they reckon he'll be a huge success in the pro game:roll:
Tyson Fury is the next Larry Holmes? :patsch At least wait untill these guys have fought legitimate opponents before hyping them up as the next big thing.
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 11:00 AM
Seriously, it seems every fucking time I watch boxing they're always talking about how so and so has so much potential and will be a big star in the future.
Khan
John Murray
Joe Murray
Kell Brook
De Gale
BJ Saunders
Tyson Fury
Cleverly
Gavin Reese
Frankie Gavin
You'd think that in the next few years Britain would have a production line of world champions the way the "experts" are banging on about every single young fighter in Britain that's undefeated. :roll:
I think Khan could go far but some of the praise the others get is ridiculous. Joe Murray has had how many fights? Already they reckon he'll be a huge success in the pro game:roll:
Tyson Fury is the next Larry Holmes? :patsch At least wait untill these guys have fought legitimate opponents before hyping them up as the next big thing.Why don't you attempt to stretch your foreskin all the way over your head?
crespo21
10-04-2009, 11:00 AM
Gavin Reese.? I dont think anyone fell for that one.
Mr Butt
10-04-2009, 11:03 AM
all but reese and fury are prospects and in today's world of four or god knows how many world tittle's they all have a reasonable chance to win some sort of belt
i thought a prospect was anyone with potential to do well at least at domestic level.
trotter
10-04-2009, 11:08 AM
Gavin Reese.? I dont think anyone fell for that one.
lol
I'm not sure anyone has said Fury is the new Larry Holmes either, not without their tongue firmly in their cheek anyway
Most of the others ARE top class prospects, confusingly
I think he got out of the wrong side of bed this morning
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 11:09 AM
Why don't you attempt to stretch your foreskin all the way over your head?
Did you bet your house that in 5 years we'll have 10 world champions? Maybe it will happen:good
The only Fury-Holmes comparison has come from Fat Mick who claims Tyson's jab is as good as Larry's was :D.
However, apart from "Reese" the rest of the fighters on the list are good prospects.
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 11:15 AM
Did you bet your house that in 5 years we'll have 10 world champions? Maybe it will happen:goodNo, but negativity achieves nothing. Good list of fighters you've put forth there. Watch them fail/succeed and enjoy... lifes too short
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 11:17 AM
The only Fury-Holmes comparison has come from Fat Mick who claims Tyson's jab is as good as Larry's was :D.
However, apart from "Reese" the rest of the fighters on the list are good prospects.
The one who is most hyped on that list after Khan is De Gale. Now De Gale has had 2 or 3 fights against no one of note. The experts reckon he's the next big thing. A bit early to say no? that's all I'm saying.
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 11:31 AM
No, but negativity achieves nothing. Good list of fighters you've put forth there. Watch them fail/succeed and enjoy... lifes too short
I wish EVERY fighter nothing but the best. While everyone is saying "No you can't" I'm saying "Yes you can Audley". I'm not being negative but realistic enough to know that not every young undefeated fighter will become a world champion like the experts would have us believe. If that offends you enough to make an asshole comment so be it. I wish all fighters nothing but hapiness and success.
The one who is most hyped on that list after Khan is De Gale. Now De Gale has had 2 or 3 fights against no one of note. The experts reckon he's the next big thing. A bit early to say no? that's all I'm saying.
You get that with every fighter who was a good amateur mate. Even the Yanks do it. I know what you're saying but it's the job of the media and promoters to hype these guys.
icemax
10-04-2009, 11:37 AM
I wish EVERY fighter nothing but the best. While everyone is saying "No you can't" I'm saying "Yes you can Audley". I'm not being negative but realistic enough to know that not every young undefeated fighter will become a world champion like the experts would have us believe. If that offends you enough to make an asshole comment so be it. I wish all fighters nothing but hapiness and success.
You obviously misunderstand the word "prospect"
brown bomber
10-04-2009, 12:18 PM
You obviously misunderstand the word "prospect"
Yep, that seems to be your problem mate.... Some 'prospects' will never be anything more then british title class... their still prospects.... its nothing to get emotional about :D
rumour24tiger
10-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Seriously, it seems every fucking time I watch boxing they're always talking about how so and so has so much potential and will be a big star in the future.
Khan
John Murray
Joe Murray
Kell Brook
De Gale
BJ Saunders
Tyson Fury
Cleverly
Gavin Reese
Frankie Gavin
You'd think that in the next few years Britain would have a production line of world champions the way the "experts" are banging on about every single young fighter in Britain that's undefeated. :roll:
I think Khan could go far but some of the praise the others get is ridiculous. Joe Murray has had how many fights? Already they reckon he'll be a huge success in the pro game:roll:
Tyson Fury is the next Larry Holmes? :patsch At least wait untill these guys have fought legitimate opponents before hyping them up as the next big thing.
some will make it, some have made it, and some won't.
joe murray was a world class amateur, a medallist at the world amateurs, so of course he will be treated as a prospect.
it is up to promoters and the TV companies they have deals with, to convince viewers that what they are seeing is shit hot. it's part of the business.
what pisses me off is watching gavin, saunders, degale in 4 rounders as nearly the chief support to a PPV main event. that fvcks me off, big time - cos you're paying to see novices, basically.
trotter
10-04-2009, 01:07 PM
The one who is most hyped on that list after Khan is De Gale. Now De Gale has had 2 or 3 fights against no one of note. The experts reckon he's the next big thing. A bit early to say no? that's all I'm saying.
He won Olympic gold mate, jesus, you set a high bar don't you?!
Who are 'prospects' in your book? Pacquiao? Ali?
G.A.V.
10-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Why don't you attempt to stretch your foreskin all the way over your head?
lol
achillesthegreat
10-04-2009, 01:28 PM
Our prospects are so shit. 99% of the time they are british and euro level. murray, brook and cleverly are our next prospects to step up and attempt to be world class.
For me...there is so much press on European fighters that hails them as the next this or that... rarely do they pan out on the world scene..for such a small nation British fighters do well but it is hard to get so excited once u see them fight other contenders outside of the domestic scene....
trotter
10-04-2009, 02:32 PM
For me...there is so much press on European fighters that hails them as the next this or that... rarely do they pan out on the world scene..for such a small nation British fighters do well but it is hard to get so excited once u see them fight other contenders outside of the domestic scene....
Like Jeff Lacy you mean ?
Like Jeff Lacy you mean ?
You'd think Europe has a monopoly on press.
In America they managed to build up Cris Arreola as a serious opponent for Klitschko.
Jeff Lacy sure turned out to be a bust..but it seems to me that every time I hear of a Europen fighter such as Fury, Audley, Dunne who did do well for a fight Jennings at welter..and many others they just seem to fail... maybe it is the articles on the websites that make them seem so much better than their rela talents.. but it just seems that the European title is more likely the ceiling for a lot of guys who get the press that says ..they are going to win a WBC ,IBF etc.. title...so when a European actually does make it to world stage and makes good...usually Im their biggest fan... i love the Russian fighters and still thought Hamed was great though his attitude sucked... loved Eubank and Benn Jirov.. so it is just based on observations and records... i cant get excited about 25-0 records until some of these guys fight other prospects that are not domestic fighters
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 05:40 PM
He won Olympic gold mate, jesus, you set a high bar don't you?!
Who are 'prospects' in your book? Pacquiao? Ali?
So did Audley.
For a young fighter being called a future world champion is a lot of pressure and lot to live up to after just a handful of 4 rounders. Even Khan who I think has the most potential of the list I gave was on PPV way too early into his career. Maybe it's just good promotion, I dunno, whatever.Just what I think, that's all.
trotter
10-04-2009, 05:51 PM
So did Audley.
For a young fighter being called a future world champion is a lot of pressure and lot to live up to after just a handful of 4 rounders. Even Khan who I think has the most potential of the list I gave was on PPV way too early into his career. Maybe it's just good promotion, I dunno, whatever.Just what I think, that's all.
Yes but a prospect is not a guaranteed success
No disrespect, you are really struggling with the concept of a 'prospect'
ero-sennin
10-04-2009, 05:59 PM
Yes but a prospect is not a guaranteed success
No disrespect, you are really struggling with the concept of a 'prospect'
Ok point taken, prospect is probably not the right word to use, but a lot of these fighters are overhyped and too much expectation placed on them too early. Then once they lose, these same people will kick them when they're down.
Dan684
10-04-2009, 06:07 PM
What on earth is this thread about :-(
Prospect means someone with 'potential' to do well in their given sport, hobbie or career
Doesn't mean that they WILL suceed, neither does it state what you base success on ! If I was a boxer then I would class myself as a success if I was to become the English Champ, others base there's on world honours, others would base there's on earning a living out of the sport.
How about we just wait and see where they go and be grateful that we are in for some good fights down the line, and whether they make it or not they deserve our respect
Who the fuck has said that Fury is the next Larry Holmes ?? Nobody delivers a dropkick like Larry :deal NOBODY !!!!!
HeavyT
10-04-2009, 06:27 PM
:lol: this thread.
There all prospects, doesn't mean they will all be multi-division, multi-weight world champions, or world champions at all.
HeavyT
10-04-2009, 06:27 PM
What on earth is this thread about :-(
Prospect means someone with 'potential' to do well in their given sport, hobbie or career
Doesn't mean that they WILL suceed, neither does it state what you base success on ! If I was a boxer then I would class myself as a success if I was to become the English Champ, others base there's on world honours, others would base there's on earning a living out of the sport.
How about we just wait and see where they go and be grateful that we are in for some good fights down the line, and whether they make it or not they deserve our respect
Who the fuck has said that Fury is the next Larry Holmes ?? Nobody delivers a dropkick like Larry :deal NOBODY !!!!!
:yep:deal
MIK1000
10-04-2009, 06:43 PM
Yep, that seems to be your problem mate.... Some 'prospects' will never be anything more then british title class... their still prospects.... its nothing to get emotional about :D
exactly, anyone who looks to be capable of winning a british title at some point in their career should be considered a prospect.
People should never underestimate how hard it is to do that. You need to consider that of all the kids that go down to the local boxing club, usually only the ones who have shown some natural ability will be keen enough to stick it out and actually begin to have some amateur fights. On top of that only the half decent amateurs usually are going to go pro. Then you have to take into account that alot of them will not even have the punch resistance to get through there first few fights without a headguard. Then you have to be able to work your way up just to even be considered for an area title. That should give people a good idea of how hard it is to win a British title, and how much it means to fighters.
It's not like football where most kids, even if they don't show much talent for it, they will stick at it for a few years at least. In boxing, only usually the kids who have shown a bit of natural talent will make it through the past the first few weeks, especially when you consider the amount of kids that you see at the gym who just don't have it in them to not cower away when someone is hitting them.
icemax
10-04-2009, 08:38 PM
Yep, that seems to be your problem mate.... Some 'prospects' will never be anything more then british title class... their still prospects.... its nothing to get emotional about :D
:good I would have given my right arm to have been British Champ and had hold of a Lonsdale belt...these days it seems that you are shit unless you are at least Euro champ
Pug1list
10-04-2009, 08:47 PM
Prospects are just the best of the current bunch, not future world champs.
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