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LHL
10-04-2009, 08:33 PM
This could fall on its arse but i think there will be some interesting ones.

When i heard Jono hadn't won one i was really surprised any other big name domestic fighters that didn't win it..
LHL
10-04-2009, 08:38 PM
Would i be right in saying Witter doesn't own one :think
GazOC
10-04-2009, 09:13 PM
Charlie Magri, he was that much better than the other Flyweights that the BBBoC just gave him a belt.
kosaros
10-04-2009, 10:15 PM
Haye and Naz completely bypassed the British title.
GazOC
10-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Bruno.
ishy
10-05-2009, 03:59 AM
Did Lennox win one outright?
Funtime
10-05-2009, 04:07 AM
Audley, Danny regained the title after he inflicted the quickest beating he ever received.

Second the linage through prize-fighter.
Funtime
10-05-2009, 04:09 AM
Haye and Naz completely bypassed the British title.
Not 100% accurate, Hobson’s fault, remember.
bennie
10-05-2009, 04:25 AM
McGuigan, John Feeney...

Witter was awarded one by the Board.
turpinr
10-05-2009, 05:19 AM
i don't think peter kane ex world flyweight and european bantam king was ever british champion
robpalmer135
10-05-2009, 05:46 AM
when you say didnt win it you mean didnt win it outright (3 defences)???
Raashid
10-05-2009, 06:39 AM
Is there still a rule that you have to be 21 to fight for it? That would explain why Naz didn't fight for it, by that age he was way above that level.
DamonD
10-05-2009, 07:13 AM
Did Lennox win one outright?
Yep, won it when he beat Derek Williams for the Commonwealth Title too.

But like GazOC said Bruno didn't.
Bruno skipped the British title entirely.
robpalmer135
10-05-2009, 07:17 AM
there was a period in the lates 80's and early 90's where WBU titles were the rage for promoters.
Jack Dempsey
10-05-2009, 07:20 AM
Does Hatton own the British Title? he banged on about the WBU belt in his stand up act so much that I can't recall him ever mentioning the Lonsdale belt
Beeston Brawler
10-05-2009, 07:22 AM
Hatton bought one, but he never legitimately won a belt.
Losfer_Words
10-05-2009, 08:10 AM
JC and Hatton both never won the Lonsdle belt outright. JC was awarded one a few years ago by none other than Prince Charles himself, though:good. There's bound to be loads not mentioned but those are two off of the top of my head along with Haye and Naz.
Beeston Brawler
10-05-2009, 08:38 AM
Whilst it is a great prize, and I would love to win one - is it not a little overrated these days?

After all, winning the national championship means fuck all now in relation to potential European and World opportunities - the ranking systems aren't logical at all...... sometimes your career has to take precedence over parochial pride?

I guess it just depends on what opposition is available to you at the time I guess, but I wouldn't stick around waiting if I could move up faster. There isn't anything to stop a fighter doing it on the way down, after all.....
GazOC
10-05-2009, 08:41 AM
While it sounds good in theory, in practice even world class fighters find it very difficult to pick one up on the way down. By the time they've accepted they are domestic level again they are usually pretty much finished.
Losfer_Words
10-05-2009, 08:46 AM
Whilst it is a great prize, and I would love to win one - is it not a little overrated these days?

After all, winning the national championship means fuck all now in relation to potential European and World opportunities - the ranking systems aren't logical at all...... sometimes your career has to take precedence over parochial pride?

I guess it just depends on what opposition is available to you at the time I guess, but I wouldn't stick around waiting if I could move up faster. There isn't anything to stop a fighter doing it on the way down, after all.....

That said, it does settle the 'but is he the best in his own country?' debate. If you are in a fairly thin division, then I see no reason why a few defences of the Lonsdale belt can't be made at the start of someone's career rather than just fighting completely sub-standard opposition that are only turning up for a paycheck instead. If someone is in a stacked division, then it is a perfect gauge of just how good someone can be, IMO.

Our welters aren't too shoddy at the moment and that's why I have a huge amount of respect for Kel Brook- he said he wanted the title outright and went on and got it rather than face sub-standard oppo from around the world. The fact that he's taken a fight with Jennings also speaks volumes about the guy, IMO. How many others from this generation of instant gratification would have bypassed domestic tests and challenges for easier achievements elsewhere?
Beeston Brawler
10-05-2009, 08:46 AM
Yeah - you don't see guys challenging for British titles in between say losing the world title and getting another crack anymore.

Usually because you have one fight against a body to warm up on, then straight into an interim fight or eliminator.
bennie
10-05-2009, 01:05 PM
Hatton bought one, but he never legitimately won a belt.

I think he forked out for the belt of Tom Collins to be repaired, which was a class act.
xoborp
10-05-2009, 05:47 PM
Did Gary Mason get to win his outright?