Anyone seen Bobby Chacon v Cornelius Boza Edwards II ?

[Bill Butcher]

I 1st seen this fight about 7 or 8 months ago, Ive seen it several times on youtube & now own it on DVD (cheers Greg :good)... I used to only rank fights between elite ATGs as I dislike lack of technique but these guys were very good fighters & no mugs (not elite like an Arguello as their fights vs Alexis proved but world champ level fighters, just below Alexis)

If anyone hasnt seen this fight in full, you have to watch this, the more I watch it the more I like it... so much so that it has overtook Chacon-Limon 4 on my list (another wonderful fight that only falls short of the Boza fight because it has a clear winner & the Chacon-Boza fight does not + the exchanges are a bit more frequent in the Boza fight too)

My list of 3 best ever fights now looks like this....

Morales-Barrera I
Chacon-Boza Edwards II
Chacon-Limon IV

Ps. Chacon-Boza II would probably be no1 if it wasnt for the technical excellence of EM & MAB.

:good

[GPater11093]

snooze fest

hated watchng it

[bladerunner]

It ranks second in my list of best fights ive seen.

The first fight was very good too.

[MRBILL]

I taped it off regular TV back in '83 and I still own the tape...... Chacon needed a blood transfusion afterward............. Chacon beat Boza on heart alone........... Chacon was nearing the end at a mere age 31 by the time that fight occured.......

MR.BILL

[Bill Butcher]

snooze fest

hated watchng it

:lol:

Just as well I seen your original post... `the drama was immense` & `brilliant fight` I believe you said or something similar.

Very true :good

[Bill Butcher]

I taped it off regular TV back in '83 and I still own the tape...... Chacon needed a blood transfusion afterward............. Chacon beat Boza on heart alone........... Chacon was nearing the end at a mere age 31 by the time that fight occured.......

MR.BILL

I bet it never even won the vote for FOTY in 1983, those morons probably gave it to Hagler-Duran or some shit.

Ps. Your right about Bobby Chacon, he was PURE HEART, without doubt.

:good

[AlFrancis]

I bet it never even won the vote for FOTY in 1983, those morons probably gave it to Hagler-Duran or some shit.

Ps. Your right about Bobby Chacon, he was PURE HEART, without doubt.

:good


Yes, great fight. i remember being surprised at the time. I strongly fancied Boza to win this one.

[GPater11093]

:lol:

Just as well I seen your original post... `the drama was immense` & `brilliant fight` I believe you said or something similar.

Very true :good

yeh it was a great fight

non stop

[Bill Butcher]

Yes, great fight. i remember being surprised at the time. I strongly fancied Boza to win this one.

Well, I was only 4 at the time so I didnt know shit in 83.... but... Boza was bigger, stronger, younger & had won their 1st fight by TKO but it appears that you just could never count Chacon out, you would think that the heart & will he showed in overcoming Rafael Limon a year earlier in that 15 rd war would have been his last great effort - especially after all he`d been thru both inside & outside the ring - but he then goes to produce an even gutsier performance vs Boza if that was possible.

To be fair, I still dont know who won, the fight is so enjoyable I dont want to put the effort in to do a rd by rd, I just want to kick back & enjoy. It was dam close but if you finish as strongly in the last rd like Bobby did in a fight that was very close at that point, nobody can say he didnt deserve the decision even if they had Boza a winner, it was very very close.

Excellent fight :good

[bladerunner]

I bet it never even won the vote for FOTY in 1983, those morons probably gave it to Hagler-Duran or some shit.

Ps. Your right about Bobby Chacon, he was PURE HEART, without doubt.

:good
It was FOTY and and in his next fight Chacon was again involved in the FOTY in his fourth fight with Limon.

Ps i got it twisted his fourth fight with Limon was bfore the second Edwards fight.

[MRBILL]

I bet it never even won the vote for FOTY in 1983, those morons probably gave it to Hagler-Duran or some shit.

Ps. Your right about Bobby Chacon, he was PURE HEART, without doubt.

:good


It won the KO Mag. "Bloodbath In The Ring" award in '83........:D

MR.BILL

[Duodenum]

To really appreciate what Bobby did in this one, it helps to have previously seen their first bout. Schoolboy's championship career seemed to be truly finished after Corny stopped him almost exactly two years earlier.

I've often wondered what kind of record Chacon might have mustered had he combined the conditioning of Limon IV and Boza Edwards II with the talent of his youth. It seems crazy to realize that Mancini was Boom Boom's final victory while Bobby went undefeated over the remaining four years and seven matches of his boxing saga.

Ferdie Pacheco really earned his "Fright Doctor" moniker in this one, and I was delighted to see Schoolboy go on to make him eat his words. The day after, several viewers I spoke with were arguing forcefully that he should have been stopped on cuts. I didn't buy it when Pacheco was bellyaching live for it to end, and I certainly don't buy it now.

[la-califa]

I 1st seen this fight about 7 or 8 months ago, Ive seen it several times on youtube & now own it on DVD (cheers Greg :good)... I used to only rank fights between elite ATGs as I dislike lack of technique but these guys were very good fighters & no mugs (not elite like an Arguello as their fights vs Alexis proved but world champ level fighters, just below Alexis)

If anyone hasnt seen this fight in full, you have to watch this, the more I watch it the more I like it... so much so that it has overtook Chacon-Limon 4 on my list (another wonderful fight that only falls short of the Boza fight because it has a clear winner & the Chacon-Boza fight does not + the exchanges are a bit more frequent in the Boza fight too)

My list of 3 best ever fights now looks like this....

Morales-Barrera I
Chacon-Boza Edwards II
Chacon-Limon IV

Ps. Chacon-Boza II would probably be no1 if it wasnt for the technical excellence of EM & MAB.

:good
Chacon-Boza-Edwards I, was also a war. As well as Boza-Edwards title winning effort against Rafael Limon. Well worth checking out.:deal

[bladerunner]

To really appreciate what Bobby did in this one, it helps to have previously seen their first bout. Schoolboy's championship career seemed to be truly finished after Corny stopped him almost exactly two years earlier.

I've often wondered what kind of record Chacon might have mustered had he combined the conditioning of Limon IV and Boza Edwards II with the talent of his youth. It seems crazy to realize that Mancini was Boom Boom's final victory while Bobby went undefeated over the remaining four years and seven matches of his boxing saga.

Ferdie Pacheco really earned his "Fright Doctor" moniker in this one, and I was delighted to see Schoolboy go on to make him eat his words. The day after, several viewers I spoke with were arguing forcefully that he should have been stopped on cuts. I didn't buy it when Pacheco was bellyaching live for it to end, and I certainly don't buy it now.
Pacheco can fuck off he almost ruined the fight for me with all his "this fight should be stopped" BS.

Sometimes when i rewatched the fight i do it with no sound so i dont get to hear that dumbass.

[Bill Butcher]

It was FOTY and and in his next fight Chacon was again involved in the FOTY in his fourth fight with Limon.

Ps i got it twisted his fourth fight with Limon was bfore the second Edwards fight.

Thats good to know, both fights deserved the award.

I heard the Limon fight won the award in 82 but I also heard Arguello-Pryor got it so thanks for clearing that up... I think Chacon-Limon edged out AA-Pryor myself.

[Bill Butcher]

It won the KO Mag. "Bloodbath In The Ring" award in '83........:D

MR.BILL

As above, good to know & cheers for the info :good

[Bill Butcher]

Chacon-Boza-Edwards I, was also a war. As well as Boza-Edwards title winning effort against Rafael Limon. Well worth checking out.:deal

Will do, the styles of those 3 dont leave much room to produce a bad fight it seems + all 3 have huge hearts & love a scrap.

[bladerunner]

Thats good to know, both fights deserved the award.

I heard the Limon fight won the award in 82 but I also heard Arguello-Pryor got it so thanks for clearing that up... I think Chacon-Limon edged out AA-Pryor myself.

Yup its a little confusing i remember that the Ring named the Pryor-Arguello the best fight of the 80's despite not naming it the fOTY in 82.

[Bill Butcher]

Pacheco can fuck off he almost ruined the fight for me with all his "this fight should be stopped" BS.

Sometimes when i rewatched the fight i do it with no sound so i dont get to hear that dumbass.

I noticed that old cunt saying that shit, it was as if he personally didnt want the fight to continue... I thought to myself, `you stupid old fuck, Chacon looks in reasonable condition, why do you want this great fight to end with question marks surrounding it because of a little cut ?` :twisted:

[Bill Butcher]

To really appreciate what Bobby did in this one, it helps to have previously seen their first bout. Schoolboy's championship career seemed to be truly finished after Corny stopped him almost exactly two years earlier.

I've often wondered what kind of record Chacon might have mustered had he combined the conditioning of Limon IV and Boza Edwards II with the talent of his youth. It seems crazy to realize that Mancini was Boom Boom's final victory while Bobby went undefeated over the remaining four years and seven matches of his boxing saga.

Ferdie Pacheco really earned his "Fright Doctor" moniker in this one, and I was delighted to see Schoolboy go on to make him eat his words. The day after, several viewers I spoke with were arguing forcefully that he should have been stopped on cuts. I didn't buy it when Pacheco was bellyaching live for it to end, and I certainly don't buy it now.

I think its safe to say that if a man goes on to win on points & doesnt die or faint afterwards then it was 1000% right to NOT stop the fuckin fight, wtf is wrong with these people ? they must have had big money on Boza - I hope they did have tbh :D

[Duodenum]

I noticed that old cunt saying that shit, it was as if he personally didnt want the fight to continue... I thought to myself, `you stupid old fuck, Chacon looks in reasonable condition, why do you want this great fight to end with question marks surrounding it because of a little cut ?` :twisted:Fraidy Pacheco:scaredas: will forever be known in boxing history as the "Fright Doctor," he is fully aware that he'll always have that label stuck on him, and richly deserves the stigma of that moniker. (In conversations about boxing, I haven't heard anybody refer to him by anything other than that nickname in over a quarter century.)

[quintonjacksonfan]

Great fight. How many times did Dr. Flip give Chacon one more round?

[Mantequilla]

I thought Boza won this clearly.

[MRBILL]

Chacon was indeed lucky the fight was not stopped.......... I like Chacon, but I thought Chacon was getting hit and cut-up real bad by Boza in '83....... In fact, Boza actually out-punched Chacon throughout the fight, but the fact that Boza had weak legs and kept being dropped (I think 3 X) by Chacon, killed Boza on the cards.....

MR.BILL

[MRBILL]

Dr. Ferdie Pacheco was NOT senile in the 1980s while calling the fights with Marv Albert on NBC............ Ferdie became senile while working for Showtime in the early 1990s... By the mid-90s, Ferdie Pacheco was fully blowing it on the air...... Thank Christ he willingly stepped down...... F.P. has been outta the pocket for 10 yrs now..... Time flies....

MR.BILL

P.S.

Anyone remember when Ferdie Pacheco interviewed Riddick Bowe after his 1991 KO over Rodolfo Marin on the undercard of "Tyson-Ruddock 2" on PPV, and Ferdie called Riddick Bowe by the name of "Ruddock Buttock?" That killed me.......
:lol::patsch

MR.BILL:bbb

[natonic]

Anyone remember when Ferdie Pacheco interviewed Riddick Bowe after his 1991 KO over Rodolfo Marin on the undercard of "Tyson-Ruddock 2" on PPV, and Ferdie called Riddick Bowe by the name of "Ruddock Buttock?" That killed me.......
:lol::patsch

MR.BILL:bbb

Yes!! LMAO

[Bill Butcher]

I thought Boza won this clearly.

Havent did a round by round score as of yet but as a whole, it looked like a fight were neither man could have complained had the verdict gone against him.

Boza looked to dominate more rds but Chacon won enough himself + as MR.BILL says, scored those 3 KDs... thats just as good on the cards as an extra 3 rds.

The weird thing was, Chacon was all smiles & looked really confident before they announced the verdict, his smile remained almost the same when they said his name.... where as Boza looked a bit down before they announced the winner & even gave a small clap of the hands when Bobby was announced the winner. BOTH men should have been worried awaiting the decision IMO.

[MRBILL]

Havent did a round by round score as of yet but as a whole, it looked like a fight were neither man could have complained had the verdict gone against him.

Boza looked to dominate more rds but Chacon won enough himself + as MR.BILL says, scored those 3 KDs... thats just as good on the cards as an extra 3 rds.

The weird thing was, Chacon was all smiles & looked really confident before they announced the verdict, his smile remained almost the same when they said his name.... where as Boza looked a bit down before they announced the winner & even gave a small clap of the hands when Bobby was announced the winner. BOTH men should have been worried awaiting the decision IMO.

The fight game is a bidness........... Chacon and company knew Bobby was hot in 1983 and that he was good for bidness........... Chacon knew that if hung tuff with Boza and finished the fight he'd get the nod from the judges......... I think Chacon was out-pointed, but them knockdowns he scored and his cutman saved his ass............

MR.BILL:bbb

[turpinr]

Anyone remember when Ferdie Pacheco interviewed Riddick Bowe after his 1991 KO over Rodolfo Marin on the undercard of "Tyson-Ruddock 2" on PPV, and Ferdie called Riddick Bowe by the name of "Ruddock Buttock?" That killed me.......
:lol::patsch

MR.BILL:bbb
ruddock buttock:patsch:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[turpinr]

one of the best fights i've seen is boza-edwards versus john elizondo.
i think every one of boza's head shots landed and while elizondo finished the fight i wouldn't have given much for his long term future

[he grant]

Amazing fight ...!

[Bill Butcher]

The fight game is a bidness........... Chacon and company knew Bobby was hot in 1983 and that he was good for bidness........... Chacon knew that if hung tuff with Boza and finished the fight he'd get the nod from the judges......... I think Chacon was out-pointed, but them knockdowns he scored and his cutman saved his ass............

MR.BILL:bbb

Im glad it did go all the way tho, every rd was great.

Also... Chacon dominated that last rd even without the KD, he was full of adrenaline & Boza was spent, Chacon was fighting with his hands by his side, making Boza miss badly & nailing him with combinations, its hard to say didnt deserve it with a finish like that - a bit like DLH-Quartey, a lot feel Quartey won but the grand stand finish like a true champion put in by DLH/Chacon makes it hard to say it wasnt deserved even if the other guy also did enough to win - if that makes sense.

:good

[MRBILL]

I taped it off NBC back in '83 and it is a great fight.... No doubt.... But it is also very hard to score........... Chacon gutted it out over 12 rds, but he needed a blood transfusion in the end...... I do think that Boza-Edwards scored more points overall, but I was not upset when Chacon got the nod......... The scores of 115-113; 115-112 & 117-111 all for Chacon was BULLSHIT! I had it MUCH TIGHTER than that........ Cheers.....

MR.BILL:deal:hat

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

I watched yesterday.....amazing !!

[MRBILL]

I bet it never even won the vote for FOTY in 1983, those morons probably gave it to Hagler-Duran or some shit.

Ps. Your right about Bobby Chacon, he was PURE HEART, without doubt.

:good

It did win the KO / Ring award for "Bloodbath" fight of the 1983 year......:deal

MR.BILL:hat

[boza81]

I'm a gig Boza fan as you can see from my moniker. This fight got me to become a real 'boxing fan. Before this fight, I was a casual fan. I scored it round by round and came up with Boza winning 114-112. Remember, Boza also scored a knockdown.
Also, one of Chacon's knockdowns was closer to a slip. You can fault Pacheco but Chacon had like 60 stitches after the fight and the ring doctor gave him one more round more than once. It almost appeared like they told the ring doctor not to stop the fight no matter what concerning the bleeding. Usually, when a guy is cut like that they give him one more round, then stop it - Even in those days. Another interesting fact that surrounded this fight concerned boxing politics. This was believe it or not officially a non-title fight because the WBC, which was in Don King's pocket, wouldn't sanction it, even though Boza was the #1 contender, and had been for over six months. King held options on Chacon, and wanted him to fight Camacho, but Chacon opted to fight Boza for promoter Don Chagrin - for way more money. Boxing was just as politically crooked back then as today, if not moreso.

[MRBILL]

I have my tape rolling along in round 2 right now... Boza has Bobby backed against the ropes / corner....... Bobby eating leather and now is cut... Bobby counters and drops Boza.... A great round 2.......

MR.BILL

Ferdie Pacheco and Marv Albert calling the heat.....

[TheGreatA]

Chacon put incredible effort into his back-to-back fights with Limon and Boza-Edwards, sheer heart.

[MRBILL]

I knew when the papers were signed that Ray Mancini at age 22 and 135 pounds of muscle was gonna walk-thru the 32 year old, 133 pound Chacon on HBO in 1984...... Well, it happened....

Mancini grossed 1.1 million bucks to Chacon's $575,000 dollar purse...... Now, here in 2010, Chacon is broke and suffering from dementia, while Mancini is set financially and in good shape...

MR.BILL

[boza81]

Boza made far less $ than Chacon, but as far as I know he is okay finanically. They showed his pad in Vegas before the Terrence Ali Fight in '86, and it was modest, but had a pool. Boza seemed very level headed in the interview. He didn't make as much as some of his contemporaries, but held on to what he had. I know he sent one of his daughters to Brown University.