My American friends: It is endearing, your excitement about SSM - Cotto.

[China_hand_Joe]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.

[jonesjrp4p1]

Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

:lol: :lol: ur the man :lol: :lol:



funniest poster on esb by far

[psychopath]

Sounds like someone's upset that Cotto-Mosley is gonna be a better fight than Calzaghe-Kessler :lol:

Forgive the guy buddy . . . he has 6 thousand plus posts . . . all about how great CALZAGHE is. :rofl

For this guy boxing is all about Calzaghe. :yep:D

:good

[MSTR]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.
Out of curiosity, would I fit your category of an americanised Aussie? I totally agree that Cotto will win, but Shane is still a good fighter, with wins over prime oscar, and is a very crafty veteran, who was sharp in his last fight. If guys like Malignaggi and Urkal can frustrate Cotto at times, Shane will surely do the same to an extent, although I think Cotto has the tools to defeat him.

[Lance_Uppercut]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.

:lol:

[H .]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

:lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Out of curiosity, would I fit your category of an americanised Aussie? I totally agree that Cotto will win, but Shane is still a good fighter, with wins over prime oscar, and is a very crafty veteran, who was sharp in his last fight. If guys like Malignaggi and Urkal can frustrate Cotto at times, Shane will surely do the same to an extent, although I think Cotto has the tools to defeat him.

How many episodes of Miami Vice have you watched?

Shane is good enough to frustrate him for a while no doubt. Cotto is very open to being frustrated for prolonged periods by vastly inferior fighters. But while Shane is frustrating him, Cotto will be dealing out damage. He gets them all in the end.

[MSTR]

How many episodes of Miami Vice have you watched?

Shane is good enough to frustrate him for a while no doubt. Cotto is very open to being frustrated for prolonged periods by vastly inferior fighters. But while Shane is frustrating him, Cotto will be dealing out damage. He gets them all in the end.
I was thinking you opinion would be based on my views of the p4p ratings system, and the way I analyise a fighters ability, more so then how many episodes of Miami Vice I have seen. But to answer your some what rhetorical question, ZERO. I agree with your analysis of the fight BTW, I think it is spot on.

[jonesjrp4p1]

Do you think he's actually funny, or do you just assume he'll be funny and laugh on instinct? Because you post this same stuff after all his posts. I think he's an annoying twat.


yea hes definitley annoying its funny bc he loves calzaghe so much and all his posts include him, and his little quote on his profile that says, "Sugar Ray Robinson fought very frequently, so I guess it would be hard for him to peak for each and every fight. This might be the reason Joe Calzaghe looks superior to him on tape."


hes an idiot just makes me laugh bc of how dumb he is

[KO Boxing]

:lol: :happy

[Dekkers]

Out of curiosity, would I fit your category of an americanised Aussie? I totally agree that Cotto will win, but Shane is still a good fighter, with wins over prime oscar, and is a very crafty veteran, who was sharp in his last fight. If guys like Malignaggi and Urkal can frustrate Cotto at times, Shane will surely do the same to an extent, although I think Cotto has the tools to defeat him.
:yep He'll probably say yes... once he realises how highly you rate the the current versions of Hops, Wright, not to mention the terrible Taylor (and how said fighters would do against Kessler, Calzaghe and Mundine :D). Though Taylor has a shot though in his next fight, Pavlik isn't as great as advertised, fought a very smart fight against Miranda, but then smart and skilled are two different things and Pavlik isn't exactly refined :think

[China_hand_Joe]

Do you think he's actually funny, or do you just assume he'll be funny and laugh on instinct? Because you post this same stuff after all his posts. I think he's an annoying twat.

Hello mate.

Do you just assume what I have posted is annoying tripe and critise me on instinct?

As you'll be giving the same negative feedback anyway, perhaps we could make it easier for you, do it the other way round. You could post the critisism before I even say anything, like so:

Sweatpea: You are an annoying moron China_hand_Joe

China_hand_Joe: Contrary to popular mythology, Joe Calzaghe is more evasive than Willie Pep was.

[MSTR]

Do you think he's actually funny, or do you just assume he'll be funny and laugh on instinct? Because you post this same stuff after all his posts. I think he's an annoying twat.
Some of his stuff is genuinelly well thought out and funny. Considering it is a boxing forum, and humour is rarely found, it is good sometimes to see a poster who can not take themselves so seriously. There are other times though were people DO NOT realise that he simply as very un conventional views on many boxing issues, and take it as a joke, when it is clearly not meant to be. I get frustrated seeing people misinterperate his posts as humour, or simply laugh becaue it is popular opinion that he is the resident comic genius on these boards. Still, that said, I like him as a poster, and think he brings diversity to the boards. If he were not here Pea, you would have never have had so many great discussions on boxing due to your conflicting views.

[kg0208]

Hello mate.

Do you just assume what I have posted is annoying tripe and critise me on instinct?

As you'll be giving the same negative feedback anyway, perhaps we could make it easier for you, do it the other way round. You could post the critisism before I even say anything, like so:

Sweatpea: You are an annoying moron China_hand_Joe

China_hand_Joe: Contrary to popular mythology, Joe Calzaghe is more evasive than Willie Pep was.

Now see that was funny:lol::lol::lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

China_Hand_Joe, Can you please explain how Cotto-Mosley is a pointless fight?

Not pointless from an entertainment point of view. But from the way we can almost assume the result. The same way we can justify Calzaghe's greatness with his assumed win over James Toney perhaps.

Fights just seem more meaningful when their is a real question about whom the winner will be.

[MSTR]

Hello mate.

Do you just assume what I have posted is annoying tripe and critise me on instinct?

As you'll be giving the same negative feedback anyway, perhaps we could make it easier for you, do it the other way round. You could post the critisism before I even say anything, like so:

Sweatpea: You are an annoying moron China_hand_Joe

China_hand_Joe: Contrary to popular mythology, Joe Calzaghe is more evasive than Willie Pep was.
You would need to first post a notification of your incoming post to allow this however.

[Dekkers]

I think Cintron would have a better chance of beating Cotto... Cottos' punch resistance seems to have improved with the move up in weight, but it's still not good enough to handle that sort of power :bbb

Edit; Don't take it so personally Sweet Pea, serious or not, it's done in good humour after all.

[China_hand_Joe]

I was thinking you opinion would be based on my views of the p4p ratings system, and the way I analyise a fighters ability, more so then how many episodes of Miami Vice I have seen. But to answer your some what rhetorical question, ZERO. I agree with your analysis of the fight BTW, I think it is spot on.Where people rank Hopkins is a useful indicator of how Americanised someone is in the context of being a boxing fan.

[kg0208]

I think Cintron would have a better chance of beating Cotto... Cottos' punch resistance seems to have improved with the move up in weight, but it's still not good enough to handle that sort of power :bbb

True, but Cintron got starched by Margarito, who probably has less overall power than Cotto. He may get starched first. Though with Steward in his corner, there is a chance he may have rectified that issue.

[Dekkers]

True, but Cintron got starched by Margarito, who probably has less overall power than Cotto. He may get starched first. Though with Steward in his corner, there is a chance he may have rectified that issue.

Margarito grinded out that win due to his toughness, Cotto won't be doing the same thing, it'll look more like a hot shoe shuffle followed by a brief siesta :yep

[China_hand_Joe]

Way to switch it around. No, I don't, you're just more annoying each time out, and what is even more annoying is how everyone seems to think you're so great.

MSTR, it's good to have a debate on things like old and modern fighters with you and Amsterdam(unless Joe's around, in which case Amsterdam is influenced) but Joe just makes a mockery out of everything, with no decent points.

I have no problem with you mate. Apart from your old school fighter bias, you are a solid poster. And I am honored to be able to educate you about the sport.

About the old-school - modern fighter thing. I may finally have found a statistic, a meaningful one that almost categorically proves me to be correct.

Now I haven't looked into the numbers yet, but I am assuming they will be there when I get round to the data mining. It is safe to say Bert Sugar will want me dead once I publish my findings.

[China_hand_Joe]

:thinkLook up mate.

[kg0208]

Margarito grinded out that win due to his toughness, Cotto won't be doing the same thing, it'll look more like a hot shoe shuffle followed by a brief siesta :yep

Margarito stopped him in 5. Not much of a grind there.

[Dekkers]

Margarito stopped him in 5. Not much of a grind there.

They traded and Marg won due to toughness, that's all i'm conveying... something Cotto won't be doing :p

[kg0208]

They traded and Marg won due to toughness, that's all i'm conveying... something Cotto won't be doing :p

I dunno, think it would be a good scrap. Not sure who would win. But I gather that Cotto might surprise you a bit.

[China_hand_Joe]

The assumed win over James Toney is a bad example. Is Calzaghe's resume of opponenets so bad that you have to actually use "Assumed" resumes? That is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. With Floyd Mayweathers "Assumed" record of him beating every welterweight and light middle weight he could be the greatest of all time. You can't Assume. I'm sure you know what you do when you assume.

My insight is strong enough to qualify me to make many assumptions, like the ones being discussed. Prime Calzaghe (80+-20% chance) vs Jones (20+-20% chance)is the only fight I need to actually witness, also the upcoming shot Calzaghe vs prime ATG Kessler. They are tricky to pick a winner in.

[kg0208]

My insight is strong enough to qualify me to make many assumptions, like the ones being discussed.

As long as you don't assume that win over Jones, we're even stevens:deal:bbb

[Dekkers]

I dunno, think it would be a good scrap. Not sure who would win. But I gather that Cotto might surprise you a bit.

Cotto can beat a lot of top guys (Mosely, Clottey, possibly Williams, tough match up though), he's a very good fighter and his resume is underrated imo, he doesn't get enough credit for beating someone like Abdullaev. It's just the way these two guys match up, Cintron is too murderous a puncher, and isn't wild or telegraphed enough to not land some shots, imo opinion it'll end to early for Cottos' better boxing, and bodywork to come into it.

[China_hand_Joe]

You can't accuratley assume though, you've never seen how Calzaghe's style works when put in with a tricky guy like Toney who has very great defense. Its impossible and down right wrong just to assume wins. Basically, Calzaghe has fought bad competition and his status as an ATG will suffer because of it.

Toney could be outboxed and would have trouble witrh Joe's speed. Toney would need a KO and Joe is too resiliant. Toney's defences is pointless when he is being outpointed regardless.

[MSTR]

Margarito stopped him in 5. Not much of a grind there.
Exactly. Cotto is superior in almost every facet of the game to Cintron. Anyone who picks a fight on a "punchers chance" is short sighted IMO. Still, this would always be a dangerous fight for Cotto because of his power. I would still pick Cotto to take it though.

[MSTR]

Cotto can beat a lot of top guys (Mosely, Clottey, possibly Williams, tough match up though), he's a very good fighter and his resume is underrated imo, he doesn't get enough credit for beating someone like Abdullaev. It's just the way these two guys match up, Cintron is too murderous a puncher, and isn't wild or telegraphed enough to not land some shots, imo opinion it'll end to early for Cottos' better boxing, and bodywork to come into it.
Fair Post. As per usual we don't agree, but I can see your logic here.

[kg0208]

You can't accuratley assume though, you've never seen how Calzaghe's style works when put in with a tricky guy like Toney who has very great defense. Its impossible and down right wrong just to assume wins. Basically, Calzaghe has fought bad competition and his status as an ATG will suffer because of it.

Trust me, let it go lol. He is not arguing logic, therefore logic cannot be imposed upon his argument. It's his way and therefore he makes the rules of his discussion. Better just to take it for what it is, lol, and move on.

[Dekkers]

Exactly. Cotto is superior in almost every facet of the game to Cintron. Anyone who picks a fight on a "punchers chance" is short sighted IMO. Still, this would always be a dangerous fight for Cotto because of his power. I would still pick Cotto to take it though.

Punchers chance would be the case if Cintron was a welterweight version of Peter, fortunately that's not the case :yep, and i'd be more than happy to avatar bet you if this fight came up, not with as much confidence as say, Kessler vs Taylor, but definitely with plenty of confidence.

[kg0208]

Cotto can beat a lot of top guys (Mosely, Clottey, possibly Williams, tough match up though), he's a very good fighter and his resume is underrated imo, he doesn't get enough credit for beating someone like Abdullaev. It's just the way these two guys match up, Cintron is too murderous a puncher, and isn't wild or telegraphed enough to not land some shots, imo opinion it'll end to early for Cottos' better boxing, and bodywork to come into it.

I understand where you're coming from, but I simply disagree. I can see Cotto stopping him on a body shot or even just plain KO when Cintron thought he had him hurt.

But Cintron is a murderous puncher....problem is, he hasn't stopped anyone of note yet IMO.

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm sorry but I need to know...do you realise how much you overrate Calzaghe?

I predicted Calzaghe would ruthlessly stop Manfredo in 4 rounds.

He did it in 3.

[Dekkers]

I understand where you're coming from, but I simply disagree. I can see Cotto stopping him on a body shot or even just plain KO when Cintron thought he had him hurt.

But Cintron is a murderous puncher....problem is, he hasn't stopped anyone of note yet IMO.

Nah, Cintrons body mechanics are all there, along with plenty of natural power, he's a better puncher from just a technical standpoint than Torres, so hopefully it'll happen.

[jonesjrp4p1]

I'm sorry but I need to know...do you realise how much you overrate Calzaghe?

he is gonna freak out on you:lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Yeah but it wasn't ruthless he barley landed any of the punches in the flurry.

But I was fully aware who the referee was. Terry O'Connor.

I clearly made a slightly off calculation, with a bias against Calzaghe.

[China_hand_Joe]

It is quite clear Calzaghe beats Sugar Ray Robinson mate.

You've just taken Robinson's name and forgot he was an amature featherweight, welterweight pro. It is a physical mismatch and that is before pointing out Robinson's short comings.

Don't be fooled by the name Robinson into making such outragous comments.

[Lance_Uppercut]

but Joe just makes a mockery out of everything, with no decent points.

He thinks being funny makes a point. Too bad he's neither funny nor does he make any real boxing related points. He's like a clown that little kid find humorous.

[China_hand_Joe]

Ah ok mate.

I realise Calzaghe can never match Robinson's greatness.

Thats what greatness is though, a subjective word (that arguably RING and ESPN love to use to keep American names at the top and fighters like Calzaghe down). I prefer a dictionary definition P4P list myself.

[Amsterdam]

He thinks being funny makes a point. Too bad he's neither funny nor does he make any real boxing related points. He's like a clown that little kid find humorous.

So says a poster who half the time does not even know what he is talking about in relation to boxing discussion.:smoke

[Lance_Uppercut]

So says a poster who half the time does not even know what he is talking about in relation to boxing discussion.:smoke

Says the poster who kissses CHJ's ass. A nuthugger to nuthuggers. About the most pathetic thing one can be on a message board. Your entry into boxing discussions lies solely on "What if" or hypothetical H2H matchups where you always "know" the winner and everyone else is wrong.

But it's cool. You two can pretend to KNOW exactly how fights will turn out, and use bullshit percentages and ridiculous P4P criteria (based on your assinine assumptions BTW) to come off as pseudo intellects and wannabe experts. You live in hypotheticals since they can be neither proven or disproved. Now, back to pretend time you go.:smoke

[kg0208]

Hey hey guys, can we save the animosity for someone who really deserves it?
We can start a hunting party and chase down Bigtime9 in his PBF pj's watching old PBF amateur fights with a gallon a vaseline slathered all over his body.

We could set him on fire and roast marshmellows or something. :deal

[China_hand_Joe]

Says the poster who kissses CHJ's ass. A nuthugger to nuthuggers. About the most pathetic thing one can be on a message board. Your entry into boxing discussions lies solely on "What if" or hypothetical H2H matchups where you always "know" the winner and everyone else is wrong.

But it's cool. You two can pretend to KNOW exactly how fights will turn out, and use bullshit percentages and ridiculous P4P criteria (based on your assinine assumptions BTW) to come off as pseudo intellects and wannabe experts. You live in hypotheticals since they can be neither proven or disproved. Now, back to pretend time you go.:smokeFeel free to critique my views on Cotto - Mosley mate.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Hey hey guys, can we save the animosity for someone who really deserves it?
We can start a hunting party and chase down Bigtime9 in his PBF pj's watching old PBF amateur fights with a gallon a vaseline slathered all over his body.

We could set him on fire and roast marshmellows or something. :deal

Point taken. :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Feel free to critique my views on Cotto - Mosley mate.
You mean this?

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.
It's your opinion, nothing more. You can say Shane was only 50-50 against elite, but you make the assumption ALL elites are the same. Does Cotto do anything similar to Forrest or Winky, the only two guys who beat him? That was rhetorical, no need to answer, as we both know that's an astounding NO. Cotto has neither the stiff jab of Forrest nor does he possess Winky's size and defensive capabilites. You seem to think you make these great points, but they are things people who don't know boxing would say and think make them sound smart.

[China_hand_Joe]

I pointed out Cotto is a pressure fight, which presents no real advantages to Shane.

Combined that with the primes argument and came to the simple conclusion Cotto wins.

And Cotto has a stiff jab, when leading with his power arm. Cotto is going to just walk him down, keep landing a few punches. Cotto's power with increasingly take its toll as the fight goes on.


I cannot see an equaliser Mosley possesses. He has lost some speed and is not particularly fleet footed. All he has is a very nice reach advantage. I don't believe he will make that count, Cotto will be close. Cotto survived Judah's attempted onslaught, I don't see Mosley finishing him.

All in all, it appears a very safe bet.

[Scar]

Typical boring crap.

[DanePugilist]

I also see Cotto win this one - no one has found an successful counter to Cottos mauling ability. However, I do think that the fight holds merit. Mosley is not down yet...

[MSTR]

I pointed out Cotto is a pressure fight, which presents no real advantages to Shane.

Combined that with the primes argument and came to the simple conclusion Cotto wins.

And Cotto has a stiff jab, when leading with his power arm. Cotto is going to just walk him down, keep landing a few punches. Cotto's power with increasingly take its toll as the fight goes on.


I cannot see an equaliser Mosley possesses. He has lost some speed and is not particularly fleet footed. All he has is a very nice reach advantage. I don't believe he will make that count, Cotto will be close. Cotto survived Judah's attempted onslaught, I don't see Mosley finishing him.

All in all, it appears a very safe bet.
Exactly the way I see this fight playing out.

[Scar]

Can't blame this idiot for going crazy about a big Calzaghe fight, the last big fight he had was Lacy and nothing before or after that till Kessler decided to pick up his 2 belts and go to fight Joe or this fight wouldn't have happened.(Same scenario for Lacy)

[nervousxtian]

Why is this racist twat still allowed to post on here?

[Dekkers]

Why is this racist twat still allowed to post on here?

Why is he rascist?

[nervousxtian]

Says the poster who kissses CHJ's ass. A nuthugger to nuthuggers. About the most pathetic thing one can be on a message board. Your entry into boxing discussions lies solely on "What if" or hypothetical H2H matchups where you always "know" the winner and everyone else is wrong.

But it's cool. You two can pretend to KNOW exactly how fights will turn out, and use bullshit percentages and ridiculous P4P criteria (based on your assinine assumptions BTW) to come off as pseudo intellects and wannabe experts. You live in hypotheticals since they can be neither proven or disproved. Now, back to pretend time you go.:smoke

That's the sound of someone just getting OWNED.

[Scar]

Why is this racist twat still allowed to post on here?

How is he racist?, I know he's a complete wacko but I never noticed anything racist about his posts.

[nervousxtian]

Why is he rascist?

He's anti-American too the extreme. Damn there every post the guy makes is talking shit about American fighters and dissing on Americans.

ESB letting racist bigots post freely on their message boards does nothing but make ESB look less credible in the boxing world.

[Scar]

He's anti-American too the extreme. Damn there every post the guy makes is talking shit about American fighters and dissing on Americans.

ESB letting racist bigots post freely on their message boards does nothing but make ESB look less credible in the boxing world.

He disses anyone that's not Calzaghe, chill, it's not just Americans that are affected here.

[nervousxtian]

Nah, he singles out Americans. He disses American fans, Americans, and American fighters.

Go ahead and ride Calzaghe's cock all he wants, but his anti-American shit takes it too far at times.

[Amsterdam]

Nah, he singles out Americans. He disses American fans, Americans, and American fighters.

Go ahead and ride Calzaghe's cock all he wants, but his anti-American shit takes it too far at times.

Americans are a race?:lol:

Do you mean to say that he carries an 'insulting nationalistic bias'?

:patsch

[Scar]

Nah, he singles out Americans. He disses American fans, Americans, and American fighters.

Go ahead and ride Calzaghe's cock all he wants, but his anti-American shit takes it too far at times.

Looking into it.

[Dekkers]

He's anti-American too the extreme. Damn there every post the guy makes is talking shit about American fighters and dissing on Americans.

ESB letting racist bigots post freely on their message boards does nothing but make ESB look less credible in the boxing world.
That not racism though, a country (particularly the U.S) isn't necessarily a race. It's no biggie either, plenty of ultra nationalist Americans out there, it's nice to have someone that counterbalances that. Besides, you can't ban someone because his opinion grates you, what kind of piss weak attitude is that? Put him on your ignore list if you dislike him so much.

[nervousxtian]

Check the legal definition of racism dipshit. Ethnicity, nationality and or skin color can all be forms of racism.

Singling out groups of people because of their national origin fits the UN definition of racial discrimination.

[Amsterdam]

Check the legal definition of racism dipshit. Ethnicity, nationality and or skin color can all be forms of racism.

Singling out groups of people because of their national origin fits the UN definition of racial discrimination.

Racism is only ethnic bias. An 'American' is not defined as a 'race', there are many 'races' that are 'Americans'.

He is nationalistically biased, to an insane degree, but he has never exhibited 'racism'.

Go back to bed, it's late.

[nervousxtian]

Like I said, the legal definition of racial discrimination includes national origin.

Doesn't always have to be based on skin color, but you can't tell me how being nationalistically biased to the extreme is any different than being racist.

Saying I hate all Brits is no different than saying I hate all blacks. Go ahead and be proud of your home country, nothing wrong with that, but when you go out of your way to talk shit about another country and make broad generalizations about said country you are no better than a racist bigot.

[DanePugilist]

Check the legal definition of racism dipshit. Ethnicity, nationality and or skin color can all be forms of racism.

Singling out groups of people because of their national origin fits the UN definition of racial discrimination.Blocky hates danes, but not ie swedes, norwegians, nor germans. They all belong to the same race; its nationalitic hatred on his part.

[brooklyn1550]

Enough of this bullshit...Cotto v. Mosley is going to be a hell of a fight with a lot of significance.

[Dekkers]

Like I said, the legal definition of racial discrimination includes national origin.

Doesn't always have to be based on skin color, but you can't tell me how being nationalistically biased to the extreme is any different than being racist.

Saying I hate all Brits is just the same as saying I hate all blacks. Go ahead and be proud of your home country, nothing wrong with that, but when you go out of your way to talk shit about another country and make broad generalizations about said country you are no better than a racist bigot.
I don't think anybody agrees that nationalistic bias is as bad as racism, so I don't think any of this really matters at the end of the day :think

It's not like CHJ is an arse like Arran either, so you won't get him banned, you may as well forget about it.

[nervousxtian]

Blocky hates danes, but not ie swedes, norwegians, nor germans. They all belong to the same race; its nationalitic hatred on his part.

Racism is a catch-all term to imply prejudice against another group of people based solely upon where they are from or how they look, it doesn't have to be just skin color, but that's the most common use of the term. It can also include country of origin, ethnicity, etc.

[nervousxtian]

I don't think anybody agrees that nationalistic bias is as bad as racism, so I don't think any of this really matters at the end of the day :think

Completely untrue.

Hatred is hatred, prejudice is prejudice.

[charlievint]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.

How sad....& you are really trying. Your post is just entertaining at best but ultimately lacks any validity at all. You have a warped view of the fighters you mentioned.
The simple fact that you would even think Joe is somehow superior to Shane is comical. The only one area Joe has over Shane is Joe is undefeated. Shane wipes his ass with Joe when comparing every other category that one can possibly imagine pertaining to this sport.

Comp, skills, AM credentials, titles, Money..... That's only scratching the surface. & I like Joe. I honestly do. I'm just not walking around with a hard on for the guy like some people. *China* Lets be real. Joe is a waste of talent. He could have been something a lot more relevant in the history books of boxing when joe hangs them up. Kessler won't do jack for Joe's legacy. Just like all the other guys that were fed to Joe to get to that really pretty undefeated record that he is sporting. Kessler is the best available opposition to Joe's crown but lets be honest. Kessler isn't Joe.
Kesslers not even a Cotto & that's not knocking either of the younger champions....They just aren't on the talent, skill or experience level that BOTH Shane & Joe are sitting on, even in their advanced age. Although you will get the correct pick in the Joe C vs Kessler match up, it won't be credited to your abundant knowledge & understanding of the sweet science....No, unfortunately for you its just because you are one of the many "nut huggers" that frequent this message board. So I do understand why you come off borderline retarded. That may be a bit harsh so please know I meant that the nicest why possible. With that said,you'd pick Joe over a fish in a contest of who could hold their breathe longer.

Joe vs Kessler is a pretty easy one to pick but Shane will also come out with a "W" over the younger lion. Cotto, I believe offers the stiffer challenge when comparing the younger combatants in the two fights, but what's new? Joe made his entire career fighting competition who never really posed a viable threat to his WBO title. Kessler is however a step in the right direction.

I know this maybe bit too much for you to register in your limited mental capacity but you've got a lot to learn & by the looks of what you posted it doesn't look at all promising for you sonny.
Don't give up though. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world & I'd never try to push someone away from enjoying it, but you do need ALOT ......I mean A LOT of brushing up to do.....Fuck it, start from scratch! You need to be re-programmed if that is somehow possible. But good luck China hand joe....that's a great name by the way. You're gonna need it.

[Scar]

How sad....& you are really trying. Your post is just entertaining at best but ultimately lacks any validity at all. You have a warped view of the fighters you mentioned.
The simple fact that you would even think Joe is somehow superior to Shane is comical. The only one area Joe has over Shane is Joe is undefeated. Shane wipes his ass with Joe when comparing every other category that one can possibly imagine pertaining to this sport.

Comp, skills, AM credentials, titles, Money..... That's only scratching the surface. & I like Joe. I honestly do. I'm just not walking around with a hard on for the guy like some people. *China* Lets be real. Joe is a waste of talent. He could have been something a lot more relevant in the history books of boxing when joe hangs them up. Kessler won't do jack for Joe's legacy. Just like all the other guys that were fed to Joe to get to that really pretty undefeated record that he is sporting. Kessler is the best available opposition to Joe's crown but lets be honest. Kessler isn't Joe.
Kesslers not even a Cotto & that's not knocking either of the younger champions....They just aren't on the talent, skill or experience level that BOTH Shane & Joe are sitting on, even in their advanced age. Although you will get the correct pick in the Joe C vs Kessler match up, it won't be credited to your abundant knowledge & understanding of the sweet science....No, unfortunately for you its just because you are one of the many "nut huggers" that frequent this message board. So I do understand why you come off borderline retarded. That may be a bit harsh so please know I meant that the nicest why possible. With that said,you'd pick Joe over a fish in a contest of who could hold their breathe longer.

Joe vs Kessler is a pretty easy one to pick but Shane will also come out with a "W" over the younger lion. Cotto, I believe offers the stiffer challenge when comparing the younger combatants in the two fights, but what's new? Joe made his entire career fighting competition who never really posed a viable threat to his WBO title. Kessler is however a step in the right direction.

I know this maybe bit too much for you to register in your limited mental capacity but you've got a lot to learn & by the looks of what you posted it doesn't look at all promising for you sonny.
Don't give up though. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world & I'd never try to push someone away from enjoying it, but you do need ALOT ......I mean A LOT of brushing up to do.....Fuck it, start from scratch! You need to be re-programmed if that is somehow possible. But good luck China hand joe....that's a great name by the way. You're gonna need it.

Nice post and all but don't expect a fool like that to read it nor understand anything you're saying, this fool is just a flamer and got his final warning already.

[Dekkers]

Completely untrue.

Hatred is hatred, prejudice is prejudice.

Meh, well i'm not arguing it any further, don't think people here feel the same way, i'll leave it at that :good

[DanePugilist]

Racism is a catch-all term to imply prejudice against another group of people based solely upon where they are from or how they look, it doesn't have to be just skin color, but that's the most common use of the term. It can also include country of origin, ethnicity, etc.I disagree there. Racism is when you hate a race, regardless where they are born. Its pretty much in the word; Racism. So if it was racism, they would hate all from the same race, not just some nations or one nation of that race.

America consists of many races...

[DanePugilist]

How sad....& you are really trying. Your post is just entertaining at best but ultimately lacks any validity at all. You have a warped view of the fighters you mentioned.
The simple fact that you would even think Joe is somehow superior to Shane is comical. The only one area Joe has over Shane is Joe is undefeated. Shane wipes his ass with Joe when comparing every other category that one can possibly imagine pertaining to this sport.

Comp, skills, AM credentials, titles, Money..... That's only scratching the surface. & I like Joe. I honestly do. I'm just not walking around with a hard on for the guy like some people. *China* Lets be real. Joe is a waste of talent. He could have been something a lot more relevant in the history books of boxing when joe hangs them up. Kessler won't do jack for Joe's legacy. Just like all the other guys that were fed to Joe to get to that really pretty undefeated record that he is sporting. Kessler is the best available opposition to Joe's crown but lets be honest. Kessler isn't Joe.
Kesslers not even a Cotto & that's not knocking either of the younger champions....They just aren't on the talent, skill or experience level that BOTH Shane & Joe are sitting on, even in their advanced age. Although you will get the correct pick in the Joe C vs Kessler match up, it won't be credited to your abundant knowledge & understanding of the sweet science....No, unfortunately for you its just because you are one of the many "nut huggers" that frequent this message board. So I do understand why you come off borderline retarded. That may be a bit harsh so please know I meant that the nicest why possible. With that said,you'd pick Joe over a fish in a contest of who could hold their breathe longer.

Joe vs Kessler is a pretty easy one to pick but Shane will also come out with a "W" over the younger lion. Cotto, I believe offers the stiffer challenge when comparing the younger combatants in the two fights, but what's new? Joe made his entire career fighting competition who never really posed a viable threat to his WBO title. Kessler is however a step in the right direction.

I know this maybe bit too much for you to register in your limited mental capacity but you've got a lot to learn & by the looks of what you posted it doesn't look at all promising for you sonny.
Don't give up though. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world & I'd never try to push someone away from enjoying it, but you do need ALOT ......I mean A LOT of brushing up to do.....Fuck it, start from scratch! You need to be re-programmed if that is somehow possible. But good luck China hand joe....that's a great name by the way. You're gonna need it.No one has had Calzaghe's number. Comp means shit, if you acknowledge skill. The money thing is just a laughable point - come on - wtf is that? I really like Shane, I really do. They are both skilled elites, but how do you think that Shane would ever beat a SMW?

I am not really caring about going into your assesment on Kessler. I just acknowledge that Cotto is also an elite, even if he is no more proven than Kessler. And that is FACT.

[hmi]

Back to the Cotto-SSM fight. I think Cotto will destroy SSM. After that, he will go up in weight to destroy Calzaghe. :!:

[charlievint]

Where people rank Hopkins is a useful indicator of how Americanised someone is in the context of being a boxing fan.

LOL! Ah yes......the "americanized view". The person or boxing fan that holds Joe C with higher regards in the context of boxing career is probaly suffering from one of the most serious cases of mental retardation & should think about assisted suicide.

"assisted" only bc you probably would get that right either in you prsent state. jk......don't go trying to find some one to take you out no matter how tempting the thought.

[nervousxtian]

I disagree there. Racism is when you hate a race, regardless where they are born. Its pretty much in the word; Racism. So if it was racism, they would hate all from the same race, not just some nations or one nation of that race.

America consists of many races...

Go ahead and not read my posts, it's okay. I'm not going to quote the legal definition of racial discrimination again... it's just not worth it, if you're not going to listen.

[charlievint]

No one has had Calzaghe's number. Comp means shit, if you acknowledge skill. The money thing is just a laughable point - come on - wtf is that? I really like Shane, I really do. They are both skilled elites, but how do you think that Shane would ever beat a SMW?

I am not really caring about going into your assesment on Kessler. I just acknowledge that Cotto is also an elite, even if he is no more proven than Kessler. And that is FACT.

Calm down there fella. I was merely listing a few random categories that came to mind that Shane has over Joe. You are right. Comp does mean Jack if one acknowledges skill. But we can only gauge a fighters greatness based on whom they faught and how the preformed. Joe shows flashes of boxing brillance & that's why trrue boxing fans know his potential......when you don't test you talent & when you don't test your skill you never know if you are a GREAT FIGHTER! You may know that Joe has Great skill & A great boxer but his "Greatness" is in question bc he never tried to fight the fighters that would pose risk. Shane there is no questioning his greatness bc he's preformed & put himself in there with all the best fighters in his era....hence some of the "L's" on his record. Just bc Joe has 0 losses doesn't mean shit & hardcore boxing fans know this.

Oh yeah......I wasn't even going to entertain your one comment about thinking about how Shane would beat a SMW, But whatdafuxup with that? Why would such a thought cross your mind? I mean......why would shane fight at such a high weight when 154 was too big for his frame.

[charlievint]

Nice post and all but don't expect a fool like that to read it nor understand anything you're saying, this fool is just a flamer and got his final warning already.

I know but I had to at least try to enlighten the guy....Its clear he needs some kind of help. Tough love & kicking the loon out might be the only option.....I wouldn't be mad atch Scar. do what you have to.

[Lance_Uppercut]

No one has had Calzaghe's number. Comp means shit, if you acknowledge skill. The money thing is just a laughable point - come on - wtf is that? I really like Shane, I really do. They are both skilled elites, but how do you think that Shane would ever beat a SMW?

I am not really caring about going into your assesment on Kessler. I just acknowledge that Cotto is also an elite, even if he is no more proven than Kessler. And that is FACT.
YOu have that backwards. Skill is shit if it's wasted on sub-par comp.

[China_hand_Joe]

Nobody has any reason to critique the analysis.

A simple one is all that is needed.

1. Mosely struggled with the elite in his prime.
2. He is past his prime.
3. Cotto is elite and in his prime.
4. Neither fighter is up against a style they particularly struggle or do well against.

Cotto wins.


Then people come in disputing this. They ignore Mosley's current state after getting carried away about the Collazo fight. Their main argument is what about Shane's resume! How is his resume from 5 years ago going to help him now, against Cotto -questionmark-


It will be an entertaining fight, but just like Oscar - Floyd the result is a given (I am aware that was a SD, but the scores shoulds have been 10-2, 9-3 to Mayweather). Oscar had less chance than Mosely has now to win then. Though was still good enough to make it interesting for a little while (like Mosley can now). Mayweather outlanded him nearly 2-1.

[1lehudson]

But it is an utterly pointless fight. Let me be the first to pre-emptively congratulate Cotto on his win.

Sure American Sugar Shane can make it interesting, but he won't win. That is a silly idea. He is an old man who lost rounds to a shot Vargas. Do Americans really think Shane went swimming in the fountain of youth before the Collazo fight?

Shanes record, against the elite, in his hey-day was 50/50ish (or worse). Now Cotto is elite, and Shane a decrepit old man now. Shane, stylistically is up against a come forward pressure fighter, not particularly good news either.

Most important of all. Shane is not Joe Calzaghe. Only legendary legends like Calzaghe have a chance against elite, talented, undefeated, prime fighters like Cotto and Kessler.

Shane is basically doomed. The fact I have made this prediction practically seals that. Only Americans and Americanised-Europeans/Asians/Africans/Aussies would disagree.Well, I would guess that some would say that 50/50 vs ELITE fighters is a shitload better then that O/O that your hero Calzaghe is sporting:hi:

[China_hand_Joe]

Well, I would guess that some would say that 50/50 vs ELITE fighters is a shitload better then that O/O that your hero Calzaghe is sporting:hi:It also highlights Shane's limitations.

[1lehudson]

It also highlights Shane's limitations.Yeah its really sad that his limit is fighing guys that started at weights that were three weight classes above the one that he started in. Its sad that a great little fighters lost to a great bigger fighter and a very good bigger fighter. However its really impressive that Cazlghe has fought absolutely NO ONE of note it damn near 50 fights.

[China_hand_Joe]

Cotto will beat Mosley, barring some kind of injury mate. I always get these predictions right.

This one is nearly as simple as Peter vs Toney II.

[MrMagic]

Nobody has any reason to critique the analysis.

A simple one is all that is needed.

1. Mosely struggled with the elite in his prime.


Let's see who Mosley fought that gave him problems, as you said:

Vernon Forrest (prime version) underrated, he was a genuinely awesome ww.
Winky Wright (prime version) Mosley started at LW and jumped all the way to Light MW to take on Winky Wright who was considered ducked and dangerous!
ODLH (beat him twice, the prime version of ODLH)

Yeah he lost rounds to Fernando Vargas, but look at Vargas face and tell me who really won the fight, please.

Now lets look at someone that has never struggled with an elite opponent, in Joe Calzaghe:

Ok there ain't none elite in his resume, but lets take out some decent opponents.

Jeff Lacy
Robin Reid
Chris Eubank (over the hill)
Saiko Bika (laughable)
Mario Veit (hehe, we know he's done nothing after his first loss to your man)
Peter Manfredo (lol......)


Please, don't pretend as though Calzaghe has faced better opponents then Shane Mosley, or in fact have ever been close to fighting anyone with the skills of ODLH/Winky/Forrest.
Your fighter faced less than elite in Robin Reid and got away with a split decision, fought Saiko Bika the crude clubfighter and struggled!, and yet you're here saying "The only one that can deal with ELITEs at this point is Joe"
Your entire post makes me laugh, if you want to bash on a fighter, take the ones that has done less then your man Joe, because you look like a fool.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe - Kessler is 50-50 mate.

How on earth will Calzaghe's resume help Mosley beat Cotto -questionmark-


It will soon be apparrent, based on his talent and abiility (not resume), Calzaghe is the better fighter though.

[Alo2006]

Forgive the guy buddy . . . he has 6 thousand plus posts . . . all about how great CALZAGHE is. :rofl

For this guy boxing is all about Calzaghe. :yep:D

:good

This boy is a joke :lol: CEO of Bullshit! :yep

[Caper]

CHJ I'm just impressed by the mere fact you started a thread that only referenced JC once in the opening post. :yep :good

[charlievint]

Nobody has any reason to critique the analysis.

A simple one is all that is needed.

1. Mosely struggled with the elite in his prime.
2. He is past his prime.
3. Cotto is elite and in his prime.
4. Neither fighter is up against a style they particularly struggle or do well against.

Cotto wins.


Then people come in disputing this. They ignore Mosley's current state after getting carried away about the Collazo fight. Their main argument is what about Shane's resume! How is his resume from 5 years ago going to help him now, against Cotto -questionmark-


It will be an entertaining fight, but just like Oscar - Floyd the result is a given (I am aware that was a SD, but the scores shoulds have been 10-2, 9-3 to Mayweather). Oscar had less chance than Mosely has now to win then. Though was still good enough to make it interesting for a little while (like Mosley can now). Mayweather outlanded him nearly 2-1.

No need to spew utter garbage any longer which is all that you seem to be able to contribute. Well.....even though you are not trying to be entertaining and funny....you are.:lol: I'm having a hard time figuring out if I should feel sorry for you and try to educate you or just laugh b/c why waste time with someone who has almost no chance at actually providing something with validity...:rofl Good luck my good man.....good luck.

[charlievint]

Cotto will beat Mosley, barring some kind of injury mate. I always get these predictions right.

This one is nearly as simple as Peter vs Toney II.

:-( What a sad, sad little man you are. Im sure you get some predication right.....like all of Joe's fights, but I find it extremely hard to believe that you actually get predictions correct off of being a knowledgable boxing fan....Maybe you are great at guessing, but But it seems boxing and it's essense eludes you very well.

[Astola]

Calzaghe - Kessler is 50-50 mate.

How on earth will Calzaghe's resume help Mosley beat Cotto -questionmark-


It will soon be apparrent, based on his talent and abiility (not resume), Calzaghe is the better fighter though.


WOW CHJ :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

This time you actually seem serious? You usually assume Joe will thrash MK.

:huh

[DanePugilist]

Go ahead and not read my posts, it's okay. I'm not going to quote the legal definition of racial discrimination again... it's just not worth it, if you're not going to listen.They are related but is not the same thing; an apple is a fruit, but a fruit is not an apple. Things are categorized within different labels for a reason, and it is good form to use the correct ones.

[Boro chris]

And how some people rank Calzaghe as the greatest boxer of all time is au seful indicator of how retarded non-american boxing fans can be when someone from their side of the ocean gets big.

He has some deluded nutjobs on his side no doubt, but I dont beleive even CHJ would have JC at no1 p4p.





Would he?:admin

[DanePugilist]

Calm down there fella. I was merely listing a few random categories that came to mind that Shane has over Joe. You are right. Comp does mean Jack if one acknowledges skill. But we can only gauge a fighters greatness based on whom they faught and how the preformed. Joe shows flashes of boxing brillance & that's why trrue boxing fans know his potential......when you don't test you talent & when you don't test your skill you never know if you are a GREAT FIGHTER! You may know that Joe has Great skill & A great boxer but his "Greatness" is in question bc he never tried to fight the fighters that would pose risk. Shane there is no questioning his greatness bc he's preformed & put himself in there with all the best fighters in his era....hence some of the "L's" on his record. Just bc Joe has 0 losses doesn't mean shit & hardcore boxing fans know this.

Oh yeah......I wasn't even going to entertain your one comment about thinking about how Shane would beat a SMW, But whatdafuxup with that? Why would such a thought cross your mind? I mean......why would shane fight at such a high weight when 154 was too big for his frame.You are correct, it is the best way to adress a boxers brilliance, when going up against elites. However, you don't have to beat an elite to showcase that you are an elite. In example: Cotto. Some fighters are ducked. Other fighters are overrated simply, because they are recognisable names. As sports fans, we are the ones, who should be able to decifre shit from snot.

I agree zeros doesn't mean everything - however, since they are unbeaten, and havent shown any signs of weaknesses, it's fairly hard to say what it would take to bring them down, or how far they can take their skills and talents. In the case of Calzaghe, you acknowledge that he is talented, you just find it wasted. That may be - but nothing I have seen indicates that anyone in the p4p lists could beat him, nor anyone from 160-175, maybe except Kessler - which we shall soon find out.

Concerning the Shane thing - maybe I just read your post wrong - it was rather late for me(6-7 am). However, alot of Shane's legacy and greatness is reflected on whom he has met, and those people have been elites that are no longer prime, some even shades(Vargas), which means that their current label is not as valid as before.

So strip that away, we can only go by what he can do in the ring, and there I don't see him any greater than Calzaghe.

Just my 2 cents.

[DanePugilist]

WOW CHJ :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

This time you actually seem serious? You usually assume Joe will thrash MK.

:huhI think you missed the time, where CHJ had sleepless nights out of concern for this match.

[Astola]

I think you missed the time, where CHJ had sleepless nights out of concern for this match.


Maybe I did... Ive been in London the last couple of days and work is seriously killing time at the moment.

I understand his sleepless nights. I'll go search for it.

[charlievint]

You are correct, it is the best way to adress a boxers brilliance, when going up against elites. However, you don't have to beat an elite to showcase that you are an elite. In example: Cotto. Some fighters are ducked. Other fighters are overrated simply, because they are recognisable names. As sports fans, we are the ones, who should be able to decifre shit from snot.

I agree zeros doesn't mean everything - however, since they are unbeaten, and havent shown any signs of weaknesses, it's fairly hard to say what it would take to bring them down, or how far they can take their skills and talents. In the case of Calzaghe, you acknowledge that he is talented, you just find it wasted. That may be - but nothing I have seen indicates that anyone in the p4p lists could beat him, nor anyone from 160-175, maybe except Kessler - which we shall soon find out.

Concerning the Shane thing - maybe I just read your post wrong - it was rather late for me(6-7 am). However, alot of Shane's legacy and greatness is reflected on whom he has met, and those people have been elites that are no longer prime, some even shades(Vargas), which means that their current label is not as valid as before.

So strip that away, we can only go by what he can do in the ring, and there I don't see him any greater than Calzaghe.

Just my 2 cents.

I respect that....I don't agree with everything but I do see your angle. One thing I will comment on is The undefeated fighters CAN be undefeated and still show signs of weakness...whether its mentally, in their offense, Defense, Preparation or heart. With Joe I think he is very skill, very talented and very smart.....but I question his "Champions Heart" I know he has heart b/c he has been down and came back to win, but it was a flash KD at the hands of an old and over matched Mitchell who never should have landed that blow....Anyways...I think Joe wasted much of his BEST years by being complacent and settling for the WBO title and fighting weak to decent oppostion to keep that "0"...which again, doesnt' mean all that much.

[Ramshall1]

to top WW's who come to fight every time, Shane is a probable future HOF'er and Cotto is on the cusp - great crossroads fight.

[Axe]

My insight is strong enough to qualify me to make many assumptions, like the ones being discussed. Prime Calzaghe (80+-20% chance) vs Jones (20+-20% chance)is the only fight I need to actually witness, also the upcoming shot Calzaghe vs prime ATG Kessler. They are tricky to pick a winner in.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:patsch

[Ramshall1]

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Kessler looks bigger than Cal, any other pics?

[Shane_Erich]

Are we going to have to continue to see posts like this after Kessler knocks the shit out of Calzaghe?

[China_hand_Joe]

He has some deluded nutjobs on his side no doubt, but I dont beleive even CHJ would have JC at no1 p4p.





Would he?:admin

I had Cazaghe as my P4P number one from around 00/01 up until 2006.

He is past prime now however, I beleive he has recently lost the number one spot due to age.

[China_hand_Joe]

:-( What a sad, sad little man you are. Im sure you get some predication right.....like all of Joe's fights, but I find it extremely hard to believe that you actually get predictions correct off of being a knowledgable boxing fan....Maybe you are great at guessing, but But it seems boxing and it's essense eludes you very well.

I don't make a prediction for every fight. I only do so if I feel I am qualified to do so. This has led to my 100% record.

I have picked the correct winner in every WBO super middleweight title fight of the last decade for starters.

Gomez over Gatti, Baldomir over Gatti, Peter over Toney, Lynes over Muttley and now Cotto over Mosley. I am very selective about the fights I pick. I only do so when fully confident. I am never wrong.

My logic is impecible.

[MrMagic]

I don't make a prediction for every fight. I only do so if I feel I am qualified to do so. This has led to my 100% record.

I have picked the correct winner in every WBO super middleweight title fight of the last decade for starters.

Gomez over Gatti, Baldomir over Gatti, Peter over Toney, Lynes over Muttley and now Cotto over Mosley. I am very selective about the fights I pick. I only do so when fully confident. I am never wrong.

My logic is impecible.

I'm glad you understand that Kessler's got a real shot at taking the unified SMW title. If he wins will you give him full credit, as in: he beat Joe Calzaghe and not a shot Joe Calzaghe?

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm glad you understand that Kessler's got a real shot at taking the unified SMW title. If he wins will you give him full credit, as in: he beat Joe Calzaghe and not a shot Joe Calzaghe?

I hope you understand I am potentially too biased to make an accurate, objective prediction on that particular fight.

[MrMagic]

I hope you understand I am potentially too biased to make an accurate, objective prediction on that particular fight.
I do enjoy your recent unbiased predictions, you've been accurate.. sure most fights have been predictable, but you've made a good job.
Still, the question stands.. will you give Kessler full credit IF he beats Joe Calzaghe, perhaps even convincingly?
Like I said, if anyone goes down in this fight, he will go down swinging, aint nothing wrong with that.. may the best fighter win.
And yes, I agree that Bernard have overlooked Joe Calzaghe for the past few years.

[DanePugilist]

I respect that....I don't agree with everything but I do see your angle. One thing I will comment on is The undefeated fighters CAN be undefeated and still show signs of weakness...whether its mentally, in their offense, Defense, Preparation or heart. With Joe I think he is very skill, very talented and very smart.....but I question his "Champions Heart" I know he has heart b/c he has been down and came back to win, but it was a flash KD at the hands of an old and over matched Mitchell who never should have landed that blow....Anyways...I think Joe wasted much of his BEST years by being complacent and settling for the WBO title and fighting weak to decent oppostion to keep that "0"...which again, doesnt' mean all that much.Yes, undefeated fighters can show weaknesses, ie Taylor. I was talking about IF they hadn't shown any weaknesses, such as Calzaghe.

Mitchell had alot of power. An offensive fighter such as Calzaghe will get hit every once in a while - as you correctly say, he came back up, and that shows he has the chin and willpower to succeed with his style.

I can't defend Calzaghe for not going abroad more - but offers have been sent to Hopkins, Johnson and Taylors way - all for naught. Calzaghe has simply been in the category of too much risk - too little reward. Even the complete dismantlement of Lacy - still doesn't make anyone throw offers at him - except Kessler. If Taylor fights everyone, why didn't he take it? European promotors do not have the power to enforce big fights like the US do. Thats the name of the game till now - maybe it will change eventually.

I do think he has taken some fights he shouldn't have, and shouldn't have agreed with ie Manfredo nor Bika(unless it was a tune-up for something bigger). Saying all this - there is no doubt that his skills would spell trouble for all major key players in the game around his division.

Maybe Kessler will succeed more...

[China_hand_Joe]

I do enjoy your recent unbiased predictions, you've been accurate.. sure most fights have been predictable, but you've made a good job.
Still, the question stands.. will you give Kessler full credit IF he beats Joe Calzaghe, perhaps even convincingly?
Like I said, if anyone goes down in this fight, he will go down swinging, aint nothing wrong with that.. may the best fighter win.
And yes, I agree that Bernard have overlooked Joe Calzaghe for the past few years.

I would give Mikkel infinite credit for defeating even the most shot Calzaghe imaginable.

[McGrain]

I would give Mikkel infinite credit for defeating even the most shot Calzaghe imaginable.

The most shot Calzaghe imaginable would be something in the region of the Armstrong that Robinson beat - incapable of victory, a fighter straining for old memories.

[Mind Reader]

Im looking forward to this fight.... I think it will be great.

[China_hand_Joe]

Im looking forward to this fight.... I think it will be great.

It can be entertaining no doubt. It just loses a certain edge for me when I can vividally and accurately see into the future though.

[MrMagic]

It can be entertaining no doubt. It just loses a certain edge for me when I can vividally and accurately see into the future though. What can you see then? :hey (in kessler - calzaghe)

[DanePugilist]

What can you see then? :heyDarkness...

[China_hand_Joe]

Mogens Palle looks surprised.

[cuchulain]

China_Hand_Joe,

First, I have to admit that that while I don't ALWAYS agree with your points, they always do conform to your own internal system of logic, and usually there is SOMETHING to be learned from reading your posts.

I understand where you're alleged anti-American boxer bias originates
(What with all of the posters on ESB who openly disparage fighters who come from distant shores, and who believe that, because the US is the commercial centre of boxing with the largest single fan-base, fighters from elsewhere MUST go there and prove themselves; otherwise they are bums, regardless of their records.)

For the record, six of my twelve favourite current boxers are American, and the six most naturally talented boxers of the past half century, IMO, were all American.

That said, I believe you write off Sugar Shane too hastily. Aside from the fact that ANYTHING can happen in a seemingly predictable fight (Lewis/Rahman, Tyson/Douglas...), this is almost a pick'em fight. The styles are sufficiently different to make things interesting , and I would lean ever so slightly towards Shane in this one.

Of course, you could be right and your prediction rate might stay at 100%.

I still lean significantly towards Calzaghe in that fixture, but again Joe could suddenly grow old. He is past prime.

BTW, did you read the little lyric I composed in honour of the fight FINALLY being made?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Whatever the outcomes of both these fights, I'm certain they will be worth watching. In conjunction with Pavlik/Taylor, Floyd/Ricky and oldtimers Roy/Tito, there are going to be quite a few good evenings in the next few months.

Finally, what would your pick be if this was Cotto/Delahoya?

[Blacc Jesus]

I'm a China_hand_Joe fan.

[China_hand_Joe]

China_Hand_Joe,

First, I have to admit that that while I don't ALWAYS agree with your points, they always do conform to your own internal system of logic, and usually there is SOMETHING to be learned from reading your posts.

I understand where you're alleged anti-American boxer bias originates
(What with all of the posters on ESB who openly disparage fighters who come from distant shores, and who believe that, because the US is the commercial centre of boxing with the largest single fan-base, fighters from elsewhere MUST go there and prove themselves; otherwise they are bums, regardless of their records.)

For the record, six of my twelve favourite current boxers are American, and the six most naturally talented boxers of the past half century, IMO, were all American.

That said, I believe you write off Sugar Shane too hastily. Aside from the fact that ANYTHING can happen in a seemingly predictable fight (Lewis/Rahman, Tyson/Douglas...), this is almost a pick'em fight. The styles are sufficiently different to make things interesting , and I would lean ever so slightly towards Shane in this one.

Of course, you could be right and your prediction rate might stay at 100%.

I still lean significantly towards Calzaghe in that fixture, but again Joe could suddenly grow old. He is past prime.

BTW, did you read the little lyric I composed in honour of the fight FINALLY being made?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Whatever the outcomes of both these fights, I'm certain they will be worth watching. In conjunction with Pavlik/Taylor, Floyd/Ricky and oldtimers Roy/Tito, there are going to be quite a few good evenings in the next few months.

Finally, what would your pick be if this was Cotto/Delahoya?

I don't in anyway to dismiss Shane, just in my mind has declined a little too much. Cotto can be hurt of course, but is harder to stop. Judah is a great finisher, he didn't manage it though.

I don't quite see what tools Shane has to win this. His handspeed is non as exceptional as it once was. His power isn't really brutalising either. The bigggest worry might be the current state of his footspeed. Cotto should be able to stay at medium-close range for most of the fight.

I don't anticipate a Lewis muck-up as Cotto should be fully focused.


Cotto - Oscar...could the weight play a part? But unless Oscar lead hook got back to what is once was, I'd again have to favor Cotto. I don't believe Oscar would enjoy the amount of work required with Cotto constantly coming at him. I feel Oscar would have a greater chance at hurting Cotto than Shane though.



I have no issues withe American fighters themselves. Just the media and promoters. I highly rate many American fighters and consider the likes of Jones amongst the 10 best fighters ever.



Your poetry was an upper-end effort no doubt. Solid structure and a vivid interpretation of how the fight might unfold. Though I do not believe Dekker's fine effort on one of the first few pages will ever be surpassed.

[DanePugilist]

Mogens Palle looks surprised.:rofl:rofl - perfectly cryptic.

[cross_trainer]

Hello mate.

Do you just assume what I have posted is annoying tripe and critise me on instinct?

As you'll be giving the same negative feedback anyway, perhaps we could make it easier for you, do it the other way round. You could post the critisism before I even say anything, like so:

Sweatpea: You are an annoying moron China_hand_Joe

China_hand_Joe: Contrary to popular mythology, Joe Calzaghe is more evasive than Willie Pep was.

Perhaps he can work out an insult investment system with you. Interest will accrue with each insult, saving him valuable time. Like so:


Sweetpea: You are an annoying moron, China_hand_Joe

(1 month later): You are an annoying inbred moron, China_hand_Joe.

(2 months later): You are an annoying inbred moron who should be euthanized and forced to watch Willie Pep's Greatest Fights DVD, China_hand_Joe.


...and so on. After the initial insult, the interest will keep you insulted without Sweet_Pea having to invest any more time or effort.

[China_hand_Joe]

Way to switch it around. No, I don't, you're just more annoying each time out, and what is even more annoying is how everyone seems to think you're so great.


Sweet Pea and I reminds me of a Simpsons episode...

The one where Homer infuriates a character called Frank Grimes, by being loved by the masses for his moronic behaviour.

"
To expose Homer’s stupidity, Frank tricks him into entering a children’s contest to design a nuclear power plant. While Homer works on his model at home, Marge tells Lisa, “He says it’s really high-tech stuff that we wouldn’t understand.” Homer appears in the kitchen and asks, “Marge, do we have any elbow macaroni and glue-on sparkles?” His final entry is a duplicate model for the existing power plant, with a racing stripe down the side and paper wings taped on. Despite the fact that he is obviously a grown man participating in a children’s contest, Homer is awarded first prize. Frank is livid. He attempts to draw his fellow employees’ attention to Homer’s stupidity, but he is ignored. In the final moments of the episode, Frank finally goes mad and runs around the plant imitating Homer: “I’m peeing on the seat. Give me a raise! Now I’m returning to work without washing my hands. But it doesn’t matter, because I’m Homer Simpson! I don’t need to do my work, ‘cause someone else will do it for me. D’oh! D’oh! D’oh!” Frank is then electrocuted when, as Homer, he grabs some wires marked “High Voltage” with his bare hands. The final scene is Frank’s funeral. As the reverend eulogizes him, Homer is heard audibly snoring, sound asleep and drooling in his chair. No one wakes him; instead, everyone laughs and says, “That’s our Homer!” "

[DanePugilist]

Sweet Pea and I reminds me of a Simpsons episode...

The one where Homer infuriates a character called Frank Grimes, by being loved by the masses for his moronic behaviour.

"
To expose Homer’s stupidity, Frank tricks him into entering a children’s contest to design a nuclear power plant. While Homer works on his model at home, Marge tells Lisa, “He says it’s really high-tech stuff that we wouldn’t understand.” Homer appears in the kitchen and asks, “Marge, do we have any elbow macaroni and glue-on sparkles?” His final entry is a duplicate model for the existing power plant, with a racing stripe down the side and paper wings taped on. Despite the fact that he is obviously a grown man participating in a children’s contest, Homer is awarded first prize. Frank is livid. He attempts to draw his fellow employees’ attention to Homer’s stupidity, but he is ignored. In the final moments of the episode, Frank finally goes mad and runs around the plant imitating Homer: “I’m peeing on the seat. Give me a raise! Now I’m returning to work without washing my hands. But it doesn’t matter, because I’m Homer Simpson! I don’t need to do my work, ‘cause someone else will do it for me. D’oh! D’oh! D’oh!” Frank is then electrocuted when, as Homer, he grabs some wires marked “High Voltage” with his bare hands. The final scene is Frank’s funeral. As the reverend eulogizes him, Homer is heard audibly snoring, sound asleep and drooling in his chair. No one wakes him; instead, everyone laughs and says, “That’s our Homer!” ":rofl - Spot on.

[MSTR]

Sweet Pea and I reminds me of a Simpsons episode...

The one where Homer infuriates a character called Frank Grimes, by being loved by the masses for his moronic behaviour.

"
To expose Homer’s stupidity, Frank tricks him into entering a children’s contest to design a nuclear power plant. While Homer works on his model at home, Marge tells Lisa, “He says it’s really high-tech stuff that we wouldn’t understand.” Homer appears in the kitchen and asks, “Marge, do we have any elbow macaroni and glue-on sparkles?” His final entry is a duplicate model for the existing power plant, with a racing stripe down the side and paper wings taped on. Despite the fact that he is obviously a grown man participating in a children’s contest, Homer is awarded first prize. Frank is livid. He attempts to draw his fellow employees’ attention to Homer’s stupidity, but he is ignored. In the final moments of the episode, Frank finally goes mad and runs around the plant imitating Homer: “I’m peeing on the seat. Give me a raise! Now I’m returning to work without washing my hands. But it doesn’t matter, because I’m Homer Simpson! I don’t need to do my work, ‘cause someone else will do it for me. D’oh! D’oh! D’oh!” Frank is then electrocuted when, as Homer, he grabs some wires marked “High Voltage” with his bare hands. The final scene is Frank’s funeral. As the reverend eulogizes him, Homer is heard audibly snoring, sound asleep and drooling in his chair. No one wakes him; instead, everyone laughs and says, “That’s our Homer!” "
ROFL. I love that scene. CLassic analogy. Fits perfectly.