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COULDHAVEBEEN
10-05-2009, 09:22 PM
Lovemore Ndou is considering a defense of his IBO welter title against former IBF lightweight champ Philip Holiday.

Holiday 39, who hasn't fought for about 6 1/2 years, lives & trains in Brisbane where he has a gym and trains fighters. Holiday is best known to Aussies as the man who beat Jeff Fenech by KO inside two rounds.

Apparently Ndou said he's very interested in giving Holiday a shot at his title.
LeonMcS
10-05-2009, 09:30 PM
Sigh.
COULDHAVEBEEN
10-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Sigh.

Slow newsday when that's all that's about!
HeavyT
10-05-2009, 11:24 PM
Not after "Magic" Matthew "Mad as a hatter" Hatton wins the title!
Farmboxer
10-06-2009, 01:17 AM
Holiday? I don't think that's such a good fight.
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 03:22 AM
LOL.

So Ndou wins the title against a guy who had two fights in five years. And may defend it against a guy who hasn't fought for seven years.

Coveted belt that one. Who's sanctioning it? :)
Marcus
10-06-2009, 03:44 AM
lovemore is fighting m hatton on friday the 13th november
ashley
10-06-2009, 03:52 AM
lovemore is fighting m hatton on friday the 13th november

Thats a good fight......I'm glad it got made...its been kicking round for a while now......should be a win for Lovemore :good....however MH is not a bad fighter
Marcus
10-06-2009, 03:58 AM
Thats a good fight......I'm glad it got made...its been kicking round for a while now......should be a win for Lovemore :good....however MH is not a bad fighter

I agree, good little fight.

50/50 fight imo.

Hatton is a decent boxer, training and sparring ricky must have been good for him
Francis75
10-06-2009, 04:31 AM
This news of a Holiday-N'Dou fight does not bode well for the credibility of the IBO welterweight belt.
Phil Austin
10-06-2009, 05:01 AM
Well Francis and PJ

How about you consider the fact that this fight would not be sanctioned? It's just Lovemore throwing out names as he has always done. He might as well say his next defence is against Barry Michael - it's as much chance of happening as Holiday
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 05:31 AM
Well Francis and PJ

How about you consider the fact that this fight would not be sanctioned? It's just Lovemore throwing out names as he has always done. He might as well say his next defence is against Barry Michael - it's as much chance of happening as Holiday


Ummm...why would I consider that?

Because Holiday has been inactive and isn't rated in the top 35?

Either was Philip Ndou but he got special dispensation to fight Lovemore for the belt. Why not Holiday?
Phil Austin
10-06-2009, 05:44 AM
See the problem is you are deliberately half smart or of limited intelligence that nothing ever gets through. I'm gunna try one more time -

Ndou had fought was rated in the division below and with the loss of points still made it to qualify. Holiday has not fought in years and has lost 25% of his points for every year he has not fought, it would take him a while to get inside the top-50 even. The Top-100 doesn't mean anything more then honestly stating where people are ranked, that's all none of this magically appearing in the top-15 crap when they sign for a title fight. But really - think what you want, you are always gunna but I'm sure I will see you at one of the IBO fights coming up in Sydney soon and we can sit down over coffee and talk about it then.
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 06:46 AM
See the problem is you are deliberately half smart or of limited intelligence that nothing ever gets through. I'm gunna try one more time -
Ndou had fought was rated in the division below and with the loss of points still made it to qualify. Holiday has not fought in years and has lost 25% of his points for every year he has not fought, it would take him a while to get inside the top-50 even. The Top-100 doesn't mean anything more then honestly stating where people are ranked, that's all none of this magically appearing in the top-15 crap when they sign for a title fight. But really - think what you want, you are always gunna but I'm sure I will see you at one of the IBO fights coming up in Sydney soon and we can sit down over coffee and talk about it then.

If pointing out the obvious is being half smart then thanks for the compliment.

Philip Ndou had one fight in five years Phil. Against unheralded Richard Drilzane. Not even arguing this "points awarded" system...are you seriously saying that THIS part of his career allowed him to rack up enough points to contest a world title? I just can't accept that. Plus I am confused. Do you lose points or carry over points when you change divisions?

Back to the "carry-over points'. See, this is equally as confusing/ridiculous. We have divisions for a reason. Being a good feather, doesn't mean a good lightweight etc etc. But jumping divisions means you jump the IBO ranking queue in a lot of cases. refer Green.

Problem is...the public will never know why fighter "A" is ranked so highly in a new division because your points awarded scheme is kept secret. So no one knows how many points each fighter has in the bank. Great for transparency huh? I know you did mention a reason that had something to do with manipulation by promoters, but is that any worse than a system that appears open to manipulation by the IBO itself ?

Because in effect...a fighter jumps a division and ends up with a rather high ranking. Now at this point, you have an in-built reason for it that can't be challenged i.e. "he had enough carry over points to warrant his ranking in the new division". I take it this is what has happened with Heriberto Ruiz's #17 ranking at featherweight. But here's the thing...Ruiz has had one fight at featherweight and that was against a guy who had 1w and 22 losses. That much we know for sure and certain. So one fight at featherweight against a tomato can (far worse record than my filos lol) meant that Ruiz is the #17 rated lightweight in the world??? Pllllease.

Unless you make your confusing points system available for public consumption, the credibility of the fights you sanction is open to question. Their is nothing logical or progressive with your rankings as far as what I or anyone else can see in the public domain. All your explanations come from calculations that occur behind closed doors.

Flat white half a sugar. Your shout.
LeonMcS
10-06-2009, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by perfect jet
Flat white half a sugar.

Poof.
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 07:25 AM
Poof.

Oh alright. Make it a full teaspoon. Geez....
flamengo
10-06-2009, 08:15 AM
Tell Ndou to tackle Cliff Samardin. The 35 year old Samardin has been out of boxing for a long while now.... yet a message from Ndou could very quickly entice a return. Why the hell Ndou is throwing around the name of Phillip Holiday is anyones business and without any bloody reason.
fast hands
10-06-2009, 06:14 PM
Would make about as much sense as the Fenech V Nelson rematch in 2008.
Phil Austin
10-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Have a fucking cappacino and be a man. I'll go through it with you all then, hopefully then you will understand it and stop driving me fucking nuts! LOL
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 06:54 PM
Have a fucking cappacino and be a man. I'll go through it with you all then, hopefully then you will understand it and stop driving me fucking nuts! LOL

Ok. But it sounds like we'l need a jug of cappucino. Do they sell them at Parramatta Leagues Club? :lol:

I think they might. The new board at that club reads like the set of The Sopranos.

Asiku v Ruiz is a great fight all the same. I do like the fight. I remember Ruiz now...he fought Bautista on the same card Oganov fought Dirrell?????? Might be wrong, but I did see Ruiz v Bautista.

I think Asiku will pull it off.
Phil Austin
10-06-2009, 07:10 PM
wouldn't be many of the board members left then, they'd killed most of them off by the end of the show.....
perfect jet
10-06-2009, 07:47 PM
Just off the phone to Eddy Levine. Ndou v Matt Hatton in November.

Trent, England is the venue. So Holiday is about as relevant as a packet of cigarettes. :)

edit: I didn't really call Eddy. :)
Phil Austin
10-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Certainly not if you called him "Eddy"! :p
Contendo
10-07-2009, 05:10 AM
Just off the phone to Eddy Levine. Ndou v Matt Hatton in November.

Trent, England is the venue. So Holiday is about as relevant as a packet of cigarettes. :)

edit: I didn't really call Eddy. :)


Seems to be across various sites that this fight is off due to Lovemore getting a cut over his eye in training requiring stitches. Ray Wheatley is the one who's broke the story.
perfect jet
10-07-2009, 05:57 AM
Disappointing for Lovemore. Hope they can reschedule it soon.
perfect jet
10-08-2009, 08:57 PM
It's back on. Ndou has been cleared to fight. Nov 13.
Phil Austin
10-08-2009, 09:58 PM
Hooray! Thanks Perfect Jet, Steve Marshall will be a happy man....
goodnight
10-08-2009, 10:12 PM
Poof.


lmfao :lol:
Contendo
10-08-2009, 10:26 PM
It's back on. Ndou has been cleared to fight. Nov 13.


That's great news for Lovemore. Cut or no cut, Lovemore schools Matthew Hatton and wins by KO!!!

Go Lovemore!
ashley
10-08-2009, 10:35 PM
That's great news for Lovemore. Cut or no cut, Lovemore schools Matthew Hatton and wins by KO!!!

Go Lovemore!

Great news.....some good fights up soon and this is another one :good
perfect jet
10-09-2009, 12:10 AM
That's great news for Lovemore. Cut or no cut, Lovemore schools Matthew Hatton and wins by KO!!!

Go Lovemore!

I can see Hatton winning this one.
Phil Austin
10-09-2009, 12:11 AM
Have to agree with PJ here (God help me! LOL) I think a case can be made for Hatton here and it shouldn't be just a given for a Lovemore victory...
ashley
10-09-2009, 12:19 AM
Have to agree with PJ here (God help me! LOL) I think a case can be made for Hatton here and it shouldn't be just a given for a Lovemore victory...

I think its a close fight and if Lovemore wins it would be his best win...however hes had some close loses on his record that maybe better....if you know what I mean :huh
Phil Austin
10-09-2009, 12:48 AM
Second Malinaggi fight for one
ashley
10-09-2009, 12:54 AM
Second Malinaggi fight for one

Yeah I like the panther and I thought the Mitchell and Cotto fights were quite close and only 1 or 2 round in it each way...but I thought he beat Witter and then Paulie the second time round.
Phil Austin
10-09-2009, 12:56 AM
He didn't beat Witter IMO as for the second Paullie fight...
ashley
10-09-2009, 12:59 AM
He didn't beat Witter IMO.......

So you say but a one-eyed supporter on the piss sees things differently :yep
Contendo
10-09-2009, 01:04 AM
The quality of fighters Lovemore has gone up against as oppossed to Matthew Hatton are just light years apart.

Please, anyone predicting Hatton to win requires serious medical assessment!!!
Contendo
10-09-2009, 01:07 AM
Have to agree with PJ here (God help me! LOL) I think a case can be made for Hatton here and it shouldn't be just a given for a Lovemore victory...


Phil, you are saying this so you keep the IBO British/European boys, as well as the promoters (namely Matthew's brother Richard!) happy and not upset their promotion.


Geezer, you are a more learned boxing individual than this and this 'a case can be made for Hatton' tripe is just pure drivel!!!!!
ashley
10-09-2009, 01:11 AM
Phil, you are saying this so you keep the IBO British/European boys, as well as the promoters (namely Matthew's brother Richard!) happy and not upset their promotion.


Geezer, you are a more learned boxing individual than this and this 'a case can be made for Hatton' tripe is just pure drivel!!!!!

Dont hold back mate....give it to him....oh wait on....you just did :rofl
Contendo
10-09-2009, 01:16 AM
Dont hold back mate....give it to him....oh wait on....you just did :rofl


Ahh it's ok Ash, my old mate Phil know's I'm winding him up, but point still stands. Hatton's a spastic and has no hope against the experience of Lovemore. Mr Austin is just being polite!!!

Go Lovemore go!!! :bbb
Rodin
10-09-2009, 02:01 AM
What ever happens the 28 year old is in for a long night against the "old" war horse
Phil Austin
10-09-2009, 02:37 AM
spastic is a bit harsh isn't it???
Contendo
10-09-2009, 05:45 AM
spastic is a bit harsh isn't it???


Fair cop - Seriously ability challenged then!!!!
flamengo
10-12-2009, 08:59 AM
Fair cop - Seriously ability challenged then!!!!

'Austined' would suffice. :D
julian
10-13-2009, 12:59 AM
It's a bit early I know but does anyone know if this will be a ppv at all?
perfect jet
10-13-2009, 01:18 AM
I'd doubt that mate. Stream might be your best bet.
Contendo
10-13-2009, 01:27 AM
It's a bit early I know but does anyone know if this will be a ppv at all?



Doubt...
Francis75
10-13-2009, 02:24 AM
Matthew Hatton is just a huge pile of shit. He is hopeless. Surely Lovemore N'dou will still have enough left to beat him.
Contendo
10-13-2009, 06:10 AM
Matthew Hatton is just a huge pile of shit. He is hopeless.



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: - Don't be shy, tell us how you really feel!!!!
perfect jet
10-13-2009, 06:14 AM
I think he is being underestimated here. Ndou deserves to be favorite. No arguments there. But I don't even know if Ndou has a full time trainer now. Sparring Ariel Omongos in prep? Probably just getting some rds under his belt, but at his age...father time will catch up to him one day.

I just think Hatton will be hungry and Ndou might be overlooking him.
flamengo
10-13-2009, 06:19 AM
I think he is being underestimated here. Ndou deserves to be favorite. No arguments there. But I don't even know if Ndou has a full time trainer now. Sparring Ariel Omongos in prep? Probably just getting some rds under his belt, but at his age...father time will catch up to him one day.

I just think Hatton will be hungry and Ndou might be overlooking him.

Asked Lovemore on Saturday night if he'd like to erase the loss to Cliff Samardin from his record by having a return bout. His response was a BIG YES!!!

I think father time has caught up with him, and he knows it.
perfect jet
10-13-2009, 06:58 AM
Asked Lovemore on Saturday night if he'd like to erase the loss to Cliff Samardin from his record by having a return bout. His response was a BIG YES!!!

I think father time has caught up with him, and he knows it.

Then after that he can revenge Mosquera. :lol:

He seems to be a fighting freelancer. Maybe I'm wrong there but I just get the impression that this stage of his career is a cash out.

Thing is...he turns up in shape and is a hard out for anybody. So he might be just too much for Hatton.

But I'm prepared to risk him and tip Hatton :hat
flamengo
10-13-2009, 07:10 AM
Then after that he can revenge Mosquera. :lol:

He seems to be a fighting freelancer. Maybe I'm wrong there but I just get the impression that this stage of his career is a cash out.

Thing is...he turns up in shape and is a hard out for anybody. So he might be just too much for Hatton.

But I'm prepared to risk him and tip Hatton :hat


Just makes a person wonder what is going through his head, especially with HIS initial phone call to Phillip Holiday to begin with.
Marcus
10-13-2009, 07:40 AM
Hatton is paying well on sportsbet @ $3.60 for the win. I want to get on him but its too far away atm.
RyDogg123
10-16-2009, 07:40 PM
No No matthew hatton is awful isnt top five domestically so dont call this guy a decent fighter cos hes far from it believe me i went the same gym altho 10 years after and kno people who have sparred him, hes a mug!
fast hands
10-17-2009, 03:05 AM
It's a bit early I know but does anyone know if this will be a ppv at all?

Got a feeling you're taking the piss Julian.

I'm hearing it could take place in the car park of the Cleveland Sands Hotel.
sallywinder
10-17-2009, 04:51 AM
i vaguely remember posting something on this.......



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