View Full Version : Dimitrenko vs. Krasniqi II on Nov 28
k2fan
10-06-2009, 12:26 PM
Looks like these two are going to go again, I guess Dimitrenko needs a confidence builder. Krasniqi hasn't been retired since Sascha brutalized him a year ago. He should stay retired.
Hopefully Dimitrenko has regrouped and learned from his 1st loss. If he has, I'd expect another KO or Krasniqi to quit as he's known to do.
In any case, I think its a rematch that doesn't need to take place...but it's probably cheap for Universum to put together...but I'd much rather see Dimi face someone new, maybe Sosnowski. Beating up Krasniqi again isn't going to improve his skill level, which he desperately needs to do if he's going to make it.
Cachibatches
10-06-2009, 02:17 PM
What a waste of time.
I heard Brian Minot is big in Germany. Timur Ibragamov hights on the Euro circut. Sebatian Kober? Kretcheman needs a win too. How about Kretchman's conqueror, Bahtov? Lots of good, winnable fights out there.
Dimitrenko wouldn't fight a remotely tough opponent directly after his loss so it would be a tune up anyway. So instead of some random noname guy from Belarus or whatever who is probably more dangerous than Krasquitti they pull the infamous Albanian Quitter out of his grave, present it as a main event and earn a few Euros. Of course it's a waste of time for Dimitrenko careerwise but it make a bit of financial sense given the circumstances.
boxeo#1
10-06-2009, 06:12 PM
Krasniqi back:roll::huh hmmm. I assume that if he loses this one again he will really retire for good. Or take a farewell fight and go out with a win.
Rick G
10-07-2009, 04:26 AM
Dimitrenko wouldn't fight a remotely tough opponent directly after his loss so it would be a tune up anyway. So instead of some random noname guy from Belarus or whatever who is probably more dangerous than Krasquitti they pull the infamous Albanian Quitter out of his grave, present it as a main event and earn a few Euros. Of course it's a waste of time for Dimitrenko careerwise but it make a bit of financial sense given the circumstances.
:lol:
Maybe they have a contract which guarantees them fights - too bad nobody told them that they have to box the same never-has-beens again and again...
Most likely result: UD for the man who is more marketable from Universums point of view, Dimitrenko.
Both man want the cash (well, who doesn't?), but for me it's unclear whether both of them want to pursue a boxing career. Are they still hungry? I doubt it.
Krasniqi is too smart, too comfortable to risk his health in the ring. He will quit again as soon as he is in deep water (maybe this time he instructs his corner to throw the towel instead of him turning his back).
Dimitrenko wants to become a lawyer and his wife isn't really happy with his boxing career - and we all know you are in deep trouble if you don't follow your wife... :hail
Flurry
10-07-2009, 04:40 AM
both are damaged goods imo and despite the fact its going to be on free tv I doubt im gonna watch it. Krasniqi is over the hill - period, long over it - in fact, and Dimitrenko proved to everybody he can not take a shot, the way he turned sideways when getting hit to the body by that American fighter - forgot his name (new Klitschko mandatory challenger now) was hilarious, he looked like a girl begging not to be hit. this is a fight between two losers and another sign Universums has finally lost its grip, this is not intrigueing matchmaking, I bet you Dimitrenko will win the fight, very likely inside the distance but that won't tell us much
ramalinga
10-07-2009, 05:16 AM
Dimitrenkoe doesn't have the mentally to be a champ. He is not nearly as talented athletically as the Klitschkos and would ahve to make up for that by Holyfield - level will power. Against Chambers he would have needed to turn it into a physical war when the little guy outboxed him and couldn't do, it seemed like he didn't really want to be in the ring.
Luan always finds a way to lose when it counts...strange case, he was on his way to beat Brewster and Dimitrenko and got careless. His speech seems incoherent these days, I hope he doesn't get damaged.
Mazallan
10-07-2009, 07:17 AM
No one will ever defeat the great Krasniqi.
Artani
10-07-2009, 04:05 PM
I know that fight betwen Krasniqi and Dimitrenko will happen again. One year waiting for this rematch, I dont understund Krasniqi ....
Krasniqi is old and unsure on himself. This time he saying that I will fight more rounds, not speaking that he can win or something else. He want to take some money and dont care about his carear, very bad desicion, the money taking here ....
Krasniqi soupose to fight some "B" level fighter and to retired like man ! It will be good to try to get fight with Holyfield and retired like hero. Albanians love him but lost respect for him ....
k2fan
10-08-2009, 03:48 AM
both are damaged goods imo and despite the fact its going to be on free tv I doubt im gonna watch it. Krasniqi is over the hill - period, long over it - in fact, and Dimitrenko proved to everybody he can not take a shot, the way he turned sideways when getting hit to the body by that American fighter - forgot his name (new Klitschko mandatory challenger now) was hilarious, he looked like a girl begging not to be hit. this is a fight between two losers and another sign Universums has finally lost its grip, this is not intrigueing matchmaking, I bet you Dimitrenko will win the fight, very likely inside the distance but that won't tell us much
Dimitrenko lost his 1st fight in his 8+ year career, not even by knockout and he's damaged goods??? I think that's extreme and unfair, by any standards. Chambers may have "exposed" his weaknesses on a big stage, but it wasn't a career ending loss. There's no reason he can't learn, improve and move on.
Observer
10-08-2009, 05:36 AM
My view is that Dimitrenko wasn't that bad in the Chambers fight. Chambers, on the other hand, was fantastic. The punches Dimitrenko was throwing would probably catch 95% of heavyweights out there, yet Chambers was slipping them. Bad matchup for Dimitrenko. I'd like to see Dimitrenko with someone big, like Ray Austin.
Flurry
10-08-2009, 06:03 AM
Dimitrenko lost his 1st fight in his 8+ year career, not even by knockout and he's damaged goods??? I think that's extreme and unfair, by any standards. Chambers may have "exposed" his weaknesses on a big stage, but it wasn't a career ending loss. There's no reason he can't learn, improve and move on.
He didn't lose by KO cos the other guy was not a puncher, had he been hed have knocked dimitrenko out in the middle rounds by the effortless way in which he was punishing him. The Guest was a technical fighter with fast stinging hands good footwork, but he had little power and still he managed to stun dimitrenko several times and alex seemed on rubbery legs i think in the 7th or 8th round, cant remember. I attended the fight btw, the American won pretty landslide, the MD was a joke, the judge who had it 8 rounds for the guestfighter was imo correct.
Dimitrenko in my opinion lost the bean fight way back though twas close and he was given the nod, apart from that you re right he held his unbeaten tag until the last time imo only because he was fed with easy fights like (an old) Francis, (an old) Hoffmann Pegues, hayes, (an over the hill) krasniqi neithrer of them was meant to beat him or had the tools stylewise. The 8 years span that you brought up which is correct mate reminds us he was touted the next Klitschko exactly 8 years ago (both Klitschkos were still universum promoted back then) and imo he has developed very little since then, if at all.
He should have imposed his jab on the guest who was several inches shorter but he was outjabbed. He has huge problems with guys rushing him and he imo can not take a punch. He was down versus an aussie fighter some time ago cant remember his name. He has for the most time fought fighters that had little punch themselves, maybe a reason why he hasnt been knocked out yet. Thats why I said damaged goods
Maybe damaged goods was too harsh an assessment to make, and for the european scene he still can sets his hopes high but he will fail at world level take my word for it. and as to development he's waht? 27 now and that should be a boxers best years. maybe theres more to come but i sincerely doubt it having watched the guy for years and seen very little progress.
Cachibatches
10-08-2009, 07:02 AM
You know I am changing my asnwer on this. Given that Dimi is 26, experienced, and willa lways have a degree of natural ability to build on due to his size maybe backtracking to get a confidence win agaisnt a former contender is not such a bad idea. I read where he said he has improved, and we all know that losses can educate guys better than wins. So let him have his figth, lets see how much he has improved, let him rebuild his confidence, asn we will go from there.
Mendoza
10-08-2009, 07:12 AM
Dimitrenko will win here. The question is can beat a top ten opponent.
Flurry
10-08-2009, 07:13 AM
Krasniqi shouldnt be allowed in a boxing ring anymore, how many times has he quitted? this fights not gonna be staged in a big arena cos Kohl knows he d not be able to fill it with this travesty of a match. Hell, he only fought him a year back and he got stopped in the third :patsch how idiotic do you have to be to pay for such a fight, except if the undercards appealing enough, havent heard anything about that so far
ramalinga
10-08-2009, 07:24 AM
Dimitrenko lost his 1st fight in his 8+ year career, not even by knockout and he's damaged goods??? I think that's extreme and unfair, by any standards. Chambers may have "exposed" his weaknesses on a big stage, but it wasn't a career ending loss. There's no reason he can't learn, improve and move on.
Dimitrenko has fought three recognized names, Hoffmann, Krasniqi and Chambers.
He fought a very old, very tired Hoffmann and struggled early in the fight, he basically won because of youth and conditioning. Not impressive
He lost round one and two to the quicker Krasniqi, unable to use his height and reach advantage. Won by a liver shot KO, which spectacular, but not a gameplan he can repeat. How many fights does a fighter win in his career with body shot KO's?
He fought Chambers and was just humiliated, completely unable to use his physical attributes, unwilling to turn it into a ring war when he saw that little Eddie would outbox him all night. No real will to win, he looked like he didn't want to be there.
Dimitrenko doesn't need boxing for a good life, he is educated, has plenty of options and has neither the talent level of the Klitschkos nor the burning desire in the ring to make up for his lack of talent.
Flurry
10-08-2009, 07:59 AM
He fought Chambers and was just humiliated, completely unable to use his physical attributes, unwilling to turn it into a ring war when he saw that little Eddie would outbox him all night. No real will to win, he looked like he didn't want to be there.
Dimitrenko doesn't need boxing for a good life, he is educated, has plenty of options and has neither the talent level of the Klitschkos nor the burning desire in the ring to make up for his lack of talent.
couldn't have said it better, good analysis, especially what Dimitrenkos motivation or possible lack of it is concerned :good
k2fan
10-08-2009, 01:50 PM
Dimitrenko has fought three recognized names, Hoffmann, Krasniqi and Chambers.
He fought a very old, very tired Hoffmann and struggled early in the fight, he basically won because of youth and conditioning. Not impressive
He lost round one and two to the quicker Krasniqi, unable to use his height and reach advantage. Won by a liver shot KO, which spectacular, but not a gameplan he can repeat. How many fights does a fighter win in his career with body shot KO's?
He fought Chambers and was just humiliated, completely unable to use his physical attributes, unwilling to turn it into a ring war when he saw that little Eddie would outbox him all night. No real will to win, he looked like he didn't want to be there.
Dimitrenko doesn't need boxing for a good life, he is educated, has plenty of options and has neither the talent level of the Klitschkos nor the burning desire in the ring to make up for his lack of talent.
The only fighters that have the talent level of the Klitschko's are the Klitschko's. I know everyone was figuring Dimi to be the 2nd coming of Wladimir, given his origins and physical attributes and his thought-to-be similar jab ability.....but he isn't. He is his himself as a boxer and finally people see that.
Yeah he has a weak resume for having gotten the WBO#1 ranking, but that's not his fault I'd say. Look at Klaus Peter Kohl for that. Keep in mind they pressed hard for a fight with Povetkin before the Chambers fight came off, and Povetkin/Sauerland wanted no part of Dimitrenko.
Sure you point out he struggled with an experienced Hoffman and lost 2 whole rounds to Krasniqi, but he won nonetheless. He did what was expected, he won. Were supposed to expect him to win every round of every fight like the Klitschko's seem to do lately?? I agree I don't expect him to gameplan that liver shot KO either, maybe this time he can retire Krasniqi with a good right hand to the head, just to mix things up. :lol:
I won't argue about the Chambers fight because I agree with what you had to say. That performance really put me off as a fan of his. That was his first real step-up fight I'd say and he didn't handle it well at all.
I just think 1 loss is too soon to write him off as not having the drive, the talent, just because he has other options available to him. Wladimir Klitschko was in the exact same situation I'd say after the Brewster loss. People said he was done, damaged goods, no heart, no chin, no stamina....he has PhD and popularity in Germany and Ukraine so he could pursue other things. Well look how he turned out, he came back and now he's set the bar in the division. I'm not suggesting Dimitrenko can or will pull off the same success, but he certainly can improve and learn if he's motivated to do so. I don't think he'll get beyond the Euro/Intercontinenetal belt level again.
I think Fritz Sdunek may not be the right trainer for him IMO, I'd like to see him get someone else though it's not likely as long as he's with Universum.
Farmboxer
10-11-2009, 03:03 AM
I don't think Dimitrenko can become a world champion. I give him zero chance against Vitali or Vlad, would be knockout early, total mismatch.
I know everyone was figuring Dimi to be the 2nd coming of Wladimir, given his origins and physical attributes and his thought-to-be similar jab ability.....but he isn't. He is his himself as a boxer and finally people see that.
Everone was? I think it's time to pat my own back, people should just listen too me. :lol:
This was 2007 after he fought Timo Hoffmann:
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Actually, quite a lot of people were predicting that he wouldn't get far once he steps up in class, just take a look at the old threads from two years ago.
With Fritz Sdunek Dimitrenko never will be a good fighter.
Cachibatches
10-11-2009, 06:11 AM
Everone was? I think it's time to pat my own back, people should just listen too me. :lol:
This was 2007 after he fought Timo Hoffmann:
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Actually, quite a lot of people were predicting that he wouldn't get far once he steps up in class, just take a look at the old threads from two years ago.
If you want a pat on the back, I wil be the first to give it. I was much higher on Dimi, and will be the first to admit it.
But I still don't write he man off. He is still 6'7 and under 30 years old, with a good amatuer career and good wins over Rossi, Bean, Hoffman, Tann, Bachelder, Zumbrun Sidon and a couple of others.
He ain't a Klitscho, but then again, he doesn't really have to be to be an impact on this division, does he? If he learns to acutally utilize his jab, I believe he can get back into it.
k2fan
10-11-2009, 06:53 AM
Everone was? I think it's time to pat my own back, people should just listen too me. :lol:
This was 2007 after he fought Timo Hoffmann:
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Actually, quite a lot of people were predicting that he wouldn't get far once he steps up in class, just take a look at the old threads from two years ago.
Wow you really need the attention that you have to dig up your own posts from years ago?:lol: Fine you said it. You and Unitas (if that qualifies as "quite a lot of people"). Good job sport. Of course the bulk of your post was trying to equate Dimitrenko to Wlad, which proves my point.
k2fan
10-11-2009, 07:00 AM
With Fritz Sdunek Dimitrenko never will be a good fighter.
Care to give any real reasons why that is? Some analysis? Or is that only your standard "I hate Fritz Sdunek" stance that you felt the need to post yet again?
Care to give any real reasons why that is? Some analysis? Or is that only your standard "I hate Fritz Sdunek" stance that you felt the need to post yet again?
The reason? The loss to Chambers. Dimitrenko did not know to use his height, his legs. All the things Wlad learned with Emanuel Steward.
Oh i forget it is not the false from Sdunek, all his young fighters are not hard enough :patsch:patsch
cubex
10-11-2009, 10:20 AM
Theere is no point in this fight.Same thing will happen.
There were plenty of people instead of Krasniqi that could have been a soft comeback for Dimitrenko.
Will be sad for Luan to go out like this.
Kampioni
10-11-2009, 06:16 PM
If the main even is gonna suck they should atleast put Firat Arslan in the undercard or some other decent fighters in the Universum Stable
stephen
10-11-2009, 07:12 PM
i dont see the point in Dimitrenko talking a step back and fighting a fighter he has already knocked out and the result will be the same the 2d time i know he got out classed by chambers but there is lots of fighters he can fight
Artani
10-11-2009, 07:33 PM
With Fritz Sdunek Dimitrenko never will be a good fighter.
You are funny Jisi .. Sdunek is bad trainer ? hehehhe .... I dont understund you. Sdunek is one of the best world trainer ever. He won world titles with Vitali, Wladimir, Juan Carlos Gomes, Erdei, and lot of them.
Think before you talk ....
You are funny Jisi .. Sdunek is bad trainer ? hehehhe .... I dont understund you. Sdunek is one of the best world trainer ever. He won world titles with Vitali, Wladimir, Juan Carlos Gomes, Erdei, and lot of them.
Think before you talk ....
Sdunek ruined Wlad. And Steward helped him to become world champion again. Sdunek did nothing comparable to that to his boxers. Think before you talk.
A lot of his fighters lost at the same way. He is a worst trainer and worst human beiing. Only Vitali is sucsessful with Sdunek but Vitali has his own style.
Sdunek can train boxers for UBP-World-Title fights but if his boxers where in real fights, they lost!
Erdei is not a world champion, he is a paper champion!
rapidfire
10-12-2009, 05:23 AM
Sdunek ruined Wlad. And Steward helped him to become world champion again. Sdunek did nothing comparable to that to his boxers. Think before you talk.
A lot of his fighters lost at the same way. He is a worst trainer and worst human beiing. Only Vitali is sucsessful with Sdunek but Vitali has his own style.
Sdunek can train boxers for UBP-World-Title fights but if his boxers where in real fights, they lost!
Erdei is not a world champion, he is a paper champion!
Itīs not Sduneks fault that Wlad canīt hold his own in a real fight. He just can run and jab and for that kind of boxing off course Stewart is the better teacher. Nevertheless Sdunek is a good trainer and from what iīve heard, he is a very nice person. To say he is the worst human being is just very poor. Itīs not Sduneks fault that Wlad canīt take a punch. Your fanatism is really frightening.
Wlad can take a punch and Sdunek is a shit trainer!
Wlad won olympic gold and Sdunek changes his style and he ruins Wlad. Sdunek ruins other fighters but always say, they are not hard enough.
I am very happy that Wlad stays with Emanuel Steward and let this ashole go, late ins his career but not too late. Wlad tried to work with american coaches earlier in his career but Sdunek works against this and Wlad let this trainers go. But since 2004 he stays with Emanuel Steward and he helped him to become a more complete and better fighter.
I had my opinion and i will not change. You can write whatever you want, i will never change my opion about this man.
Serenata
10-12-2009, 07:25 AM
Sorry to say but itīs useless to discuss with Jisi about either Wlad, Vitali and/or Sdunek.
Cool2008
10-12-2009, 08:31 AM
Wlad can take a punch and Sdunek is a shit trainer!
That's why he runs, clinches all the time and never ever engages, even after 10 lopsided rounds ...
rapidfire
10-12-2009, 08:57 AM
Yep, heīs a chicken. Not a fighter. His brother would beat him 10 out of 10.
k2fan
10-12-2009, 09:47 AM
I had my opinion and i will not change. You can write whatever you want, i will never change my opion about this man.
I really pity your ignorance.
Flurry
10-12-2009, 10:16 AM
I don't believe the reason for Dimitrenko stagnating somewhat is his coach. Sdunek has produced so many world champs and Euro champs in his career his qualities as coach are beyond dispute, imo, which is not to say he doesn't make mistakes like any of us does. Dimitrenko simply can't live up to the expectations set in him, he's not a bad fighter but seeing Universum run short of high profile fighters hope was he might fill the gap and in the meantime I've become pretty convinced he won't at least not on world level. I'd be happy if he proved me wrong
Artani
10-12-2009, 10:24 AM
Sdunek ruined Wlad. And Steward helped him to become world champion again. Sdunek did nothing comparable to that to his boxers. Think before you talk.
A lot of his fighters lost at the same way. He is a worst trainer and worst human beiing. Only Vitali is sucsessful with Sdunek but Vitali has his own style.
Sdunek can train boxers for UBP-World-Title fights but if his boxers where in real fights, they lost!
Erdei is not a world champion, he is a paper champion!
This can be your opinion but Im saying again you are notbody to compare Sdunek or somebody else .
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