Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam

[IntentionalButt]

How good is this kid?

He looked solid in every area in his prolonged thrashing of the shorter, slower, older Martirosyan. This is a good win, and he's got all the ingredients for star-power (except maybe a pronounceable name that rolls off the tongue) - an undefeated record, high ranking, good looks, clear stopping power - yet doesn't seem to be looking to capitalize on any of that by finally emerging from France and maybe fighting over here in the States (or even elsewhere in Europe) to raise his profile. He's fighting TBA this month in his backyard.

Is his management just unwilling to take risks or are they sitting around waiting to lure a big name into hostile territory?

How does he stack up against names like Sturm, Mundine, Macklin, Sylvester, etc?

[yal]

Hassan N'Dam is the most talented in his class, he is currently ranked # 3 WBA, its objective is "to face Felix Sturm in 2010. I think Sturm has abandoned the way as to face Hassan, Felix is going to believe a everyone that Hassan was not interested because he is unknown but the real reason is that they sesont already crossed gloves in training, believe me, Hassan gave him a good lesson. I'll try to soon also a 4 round between Hassan and Sylvester, Sebastien went to the canvas twice more he was non-existent. Hassan has been proposed to sign with the German (Universum, Sauerland) but that did not interrested because he knows that in Germany, he not put forward. if Hassan will face everyone (Sturm, Pavlik, Sylvester, Golovkin, Mundine, Pirog) even at home.

[TFFP]

Hassan N'Dam is the most talented in his class, he is currently ranked # 3 WBA, its objective is "to face Felix Sturm in 2010. I think Sturm has abandoned the way as to face Hassan, Felix is going to believe a everyone that Hassan was not interested because he is unknown but the real reason is that they sesont already crossed gloves in training, believe me, Hassan gave him a good lesson. I'll try to soon also a 4 round between Hassan and Sylvester, Sebastien went to the canvas twice more he was non-existent. Hassan has been proposed to sign with the German (Universum, Sauerland) but that did not interrested because he knows that in Germany, he not put forward. if Hassan will face everyone (Sturm, Pavlik, Sylvester, Golovkin, Mundine, Pirog) even at home.
You witnessed Hassan put Sylvester on the canvas twice in four rounds?

[yal]

You witnessed Hassan put Sylvester on the canvas twice in four rounds?

yes, He did the same thing with Haussler as he played with them 4 with one and four with another. I must say that Hasan has progressed since then I suppose you're a fan of Sylvetser saw your avatar.

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yes, He did the same thing with Haussler as he played with them 4 with one and four with another. I must say that Hasan has progressed since then I suppose you're a fan of Sylvetser saw your avatar.

Was this amateurs or sparring?

[Rock0052]

His biggest problem seems to be a bad case of "who needs him?" syndrome. I think pretty highly of him as a prospect going into the contender stage and believe he'd be ready for a title shot in 2010 or 2011, but the question is, can he get one?

[yal]

was in sparring for me is no wonder Sylvester will not receive because it was the mat and won the decision against the house means boxers as Franck Mezaache, Morrade Hakkar and Simone Rotolo. Hassan otherwise play beginning in 2010, a WBA eliminator or might even be a interim championship.

[yal]

His biggest problem seems to be a bad case of "who needs him?" syndrome. I think pretty highly of him as a prospect going into the contender stage and believe he'd be ready for a title shot in 2010 or 2011, but the question is, can he get one?
of course it peutr get a world championship, he is in agreement with Michel Acarie he already already received great fight for Mormeck, Tiozzo, Monshipour, Quatrey Wright ....... even if, not can not win the bids and cons Universum Sauerland but can easily save Hassan official challenger position, in addition to that the television channel Canal + is very interested in Hassan. I realize that in all the forums, talking about hassan, whereas before everyone said that Golovkin is the best prospect, people began to change opinion.

[IntentionalButt]

Could he be the best French middleweight since Cerdan, or is that overreaching?

[VHB]

Hassan would have already fought Sturm last week, but Sturm was too scared. Is that true?

Pavlik and Abraham were thinking about fighting Hassan togethet at the same time, but Hassan was too tough for even that.

Actually, I would suggest that Hassan should fight Kessler, so that Kessler is 168 and Hassan is 154. Then they would be evenly matched. Kessler would have a small chance.

[IntentionalButt]

Hassan would have already fought Sturm last week, but Sturm was too scared. Is that true?

Pavlik and Abraham were thinking about fighting Hassan togethet at the same time, but Hassan was too tough for even that.

Actually, I would suggest that Hassan should fight Kessler, so that Kessler is 168 and Hassan is 154. Then they would be evenly matched. Kessler would have a small chance.

:shock: what? :yep

His dance partner for the 24th appears to have been set - 19-9-1 Colombian slugger Oney Valdez, whose best opposition to date includes an early-career TKO loss to Berrio and a pair of fights with colorful countryman Dionisio Miranda (once to a six round draw, and one TKO3 victory).

[TFFP]

yes, He did the same thing with Haussler as he played with them 4 with one and four with another. I must say that Hasan has progressed since then I suppose you're a fan of Sylvetser saw your avatar.
:huh I'm not a fan of Sylvester. I was just curious, I take your word for it.

[yal]

:shock: what? :yep

His dance partner for the 24th appears to have been set - 19-9-1 Colombian slugger Oney Valdez, whose best opposition to date includes an early-career TKO loss to Berrio and a pair of fights with colorful countryman Dionisio Miranda (once to a six round draw, and one TKO3 victory).
this is not the fault Hassan is someone who wants the deal, its promoter was negotiating with k2 promotion for a fight against Avtandil Khurtsidze for WBA semifinal, beginning at the Klitschko brothers agree, but WAS they changed their minds, unfortunately, like with Noe Gonzalez Alcoba, the only top 15 WBA which was available to come to France 24 is Oney Valdez

[IntentionalButt]

this is not the fault Hassan is someone who wants the deal, its promoter was negotiating with k2 promotion for a fight against Avtandil Khurtsidze for WBA semifinal, beginning at the Klitschko brothers agree, but WAS they changed their minds, unfortunately, like with Noe Gonzalez Alcoba, the only top 15 WBA which was available to come to France 24 is Oney Valdez


I'm not blaming Hassan; it's cool that he's at least staying busy. :good

So is this going to be on French TV? Any chance some kind soul might upload some video highlights? :deal

[moneymatt]

he looks good. great movement, defense, and speed. i think he is one of the best middleweights out there right now.

[IntentionalButt]

Any updates? Substitute opponent looks to be Jeferson Luis Goncalo, 19-5-1 (10)

[IntentionalButt]

Apparently Hassan won by UD :happy

Here's a nearly two-year old KO victory that I just found. Great stuff!
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What a fast hook to the body he has! :p

And now I know how to properly pronounce his surname (at least going by what the French commentators used). It's like "Angie-cam". :good

[yal]

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[IntentionalButt]

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Oh wow, merci beaucoup! :ibutt

How did your boy look against Goncalo? Any chance we might see that one soon?

[yal]

Oh wow, merci beaucoup! :ibutt

How did your boy look against Goncalo? Any chance we might see that one soon?

Hassan goes back into the ring before the end of the year. I saw him yesterday with his trainer, normally if all goes well, his next fight is scheduled for the month of December, either in Paris or in Germany December 19. The promoter of Hassan wants a fight between Hassan (3 WBA) and Gennady Golovkin (2WBA) for WBA eliminator but the promoter Dietmar Poszwa do not want this fight. if its promoter is still in negotiation with k2 promotion for a fight against Avtandil Khurtsidze (4WBA).

[Odo]

Hassan goes back into the ring before the end of the year. I saw him yesterday with his trainer, normally if all goes well, his next fight is scheduled for the month of December, either in Paris or in Germany December 19. The promoter of Hassan wants a fight between Hassan (3 WBA) and Gennady Golovkin (2WBA) for WBA eliminator but the promoter Dietmar Poszwa do not want this fight. if its promoter is still in negotiation with k2 promotion for a fight against Avtandil Khurtsidze (4WBA).

A pity that Hassan fights on small fight cards in an insignificant market like France! He should try to get a contract with one of the big promoters in the states,Germany,or the UK.
France isnt the best place to be based when trying to conquer the middle weight division.Thats for sure!:-(

[IntentionalButt]

Sorry yal if my question was not clear, I know English is not your first language.

I was hoping you could tell how good N'jikam looked against Goncalo? Obviously he won a shut-out but any details you could give would be appreciated. None of us outside France had an opportunity to see it.

[yal]

The fight against Luis Gonçalo Hassan has done in a large room of 6000 people and was televised live on Canal + Sport (a string of large group Canal +). I do not know exactly how much hearing has Hassan but I can say that the media have talked a lot about him. Hassan is regarded in France as a future star if Hasan remained in France is not for nothing, he had proposed with Universum and Sauerland but he is aware that in Germany it's very hard to pass a boxer German even though he is more talented than them, I can say that Hassan is a thousand times more than known in France as in Germany Golovkin, Hassan is still headlining while Golovkin simply complete the cards. In any case I can assure you that Acarie believes in Hassan, he is already planning to make him compete for a championship WBA interim to get closer to a fight against Sturm in 2010. if I am the editor of [Only registered and activated users can see links] if the responsible eastsideboxing.com want an interview with Hassan, I can do when they want is also valid for all other boxers French.

[IntentionalButt]

Very good, yal! I think everybody would be interested in an interview any time. :good

[yal]

is very simple, if the moderator of this site will interview with Hassan as he has to contact me at the following address [Only registered and activated users can see links].

[Odo]

The fight against Luis Gonçalo Hassan has done in a large room of 6000 people and was televised live on Canal + Sport (a string of large group Canal +). I do not know exactly how much hearing has Hassan but I can say that the media have talked a lot about him. Hassan is regarded in France as a future star if Hasan remained in France is not for nothing, he had proposed with Universum and Sauerland but he is aware that in Germany it's very hard to pass a boxer German even though he is more talented than them, I can say that Hassan is a thousand times more than known in France as in Germany Golovkin, Hassan is still headlining while Golovkin simply complete the cards. In any case I can assure you that Acarie believes in Hassan, he is already planning to make him compete for a championship WBA interim to get closer to a fight against Sturm in 2010. if I am the editor of [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) if the responsible eastsideboxing.com want an interview with Hassan, I can do when they want is also valid for all other boxers French.

Interesting post,yal! Maybe I was wrong,but I didnt think that France was a fight market where you can make a name for yourself.
Seldom do we hear anything at all about French based fighters and French fight events.
Would never have thought that Hassan is that popular in France!:?:huh

[yal]

Interesting post,yal! Maybe I was wrong,but I didnt think that France was a fight market where you can make a name for yourself.
Seldom do we hear anything at all about French based fighters and French fight events.
Would never have thought that Hassan is that popular in France!:?:huh
Tiozzo, Mormeck WERE known world anyway, except for Hassan, it is not like them, but it is popular, one of the best known in France today. While in Germany boxing is much more developed, but better to be a star in France by the head of posters to supplement the shelf in Germany

[VHB]

but better to be a star in France by the head of posters to supplement the shelf in Germany Haha, really?

Maybe Golovkin is a card-filler for now, but for how long? Not too long.

Filling cards is a young prospect´s role when he fights with a big promoter who has really popular stars.

Through that route, you can headline those big cards someday.

Your way of thinking is pretty short-termed.

I bet even card-fillers in Universum nights are payed better than headliners in France.

So, I disagree. I wuld rather sign with a promoter like Sauerland, and make it to their cards. Even if it would mean starting from the warm-up side.

[IntentionalButt]

I just want to see Hassan in the U.S. at some point!

[yal]

Haha, really?

Maybe Golovkin is a card-filler for now, but for how long? Not too long.

Filling cards is a young prospect´s role when he fights with a big promoter who has really popular stars.

Through that route, you can headline those big cards someday.

Your way of thinking is pretty short-termed.

I bet even card-fillers in Universum nights are payed better than headliners in France.

So, I disagree. I wuld rather sign with a promoter like Sauerland, and make it to their cards. Even if it would mean starting from the warm-up side.
you say is better complete the cards in Germany than being a star in France, you're wrong heavily, you do not know much about France, touched Asloum 900 000 euro in view no other challenger in boxing history in its class has reached half of this award. Monshipour touched grants well above Vasquez and Marquez. except for Hassan, he knows that with his name and skin color will never succeed in Germany, it is realistic. Awards for Hassan, I assure you it's corresct it touches, I can guarantee you that he earns more than Golovkin. I bet what you want Golovkin will never become a star in Germany. can take many examples of talented boxer who has difficulty in propelling Germany as Dzinziruk, Erdei, Kotelnik Sidorenko and yet they are or were all champions, by means cons of boxers like Brahmer or Zbik make headliners. germany, you are worth your nationality in France you are worth your talent

[TommyV]

Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam v Affif Belghecham
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Thankyou sir. I already have the Belghcham & Guarras fights, but I was really interested in seeing his fight with Martirosyan. Sparring videos are always a bonus aswell. :good

[TommyV]

What d'you make of this kid so far IB? How do you think he stacks up to the likes of Jacobs, Pirog and Golovkin at this stage?

[TFFP]

Thanks for the videos, yal. Been meaning to see his fight with Martiosyan.

[TommyV]

The final punch that knocked Gourras out was a beaut.

[TFFP]

Finished watching his fight against Martirosyan. I was impressed. Overall he schooled him and got the stoppage, can't ask for more.

A few small points however...

He might want to be careful with the way he pulls back with his hands down after landing his shots. I know its a natural style for him, but the Armenian landed at least one hard right hand and several others narrowly missed. You just have to be careful, against a better fighter it could be a costly flaw.

On a similar vein he also tends to jump in and go straight to the body without setting the shot up with even a jab. That's okay here because he had such a speed advantage and the Armenian couldn't set his feet to counter him but he gets quite square on and open. That means his balance is not perfect and he could get knocked down if not hurt.

There also seemed to be a period where he hit a lull, the he let the other guy get close to him in rounds 6, 7 and 8. Martirosyan wasn't that effective but I sensed he grew in confidence a little as N'dam took his foot off the pedal. Needs to keep focused for every round, its easy to let your standards slip against a less skilled foe.

Could have also taken advantage of the first knockdown a little better, he got wild and carried away. If he just fought like he had been he could have scored the KO there and then.

These are very minor critiques overall, I praise his jab which was very sharp and effective, his output is extremely good in quality and volume. Jab/right hand/body work/uppercut and his real power punch seems to be the left hook which is a beauty. He's also unpredictable, he can lead with any of these punches. His stamina seemed to never end. And really for me his defining quality is how light he is on his feet. He moves exceptionally well, he's a great athlete no doubt.

[TFFP]

As a further point I can also fully believe he gives a lot of German based fighters a world of trouble in sparring. It's not difficult to imagine because he's such a good mover, whereas some of those boys are quite static fighters.

[yal]

What d'you make of this kid so far IB? How do you think he stacks up to the likes of Jacobs, Pirog and Golovkin at this stage?

I do not understand what you meant, but I assure you that Hassan is ready to go to Germany to face Golovkin a WBA eliminator, but Dietmar Poszwa (Golovkin manager) refused. Pirog for Hassan has seen many of his struggle, he is convinced he would beat if they confront each other, Hassan is more diverse, more mobile, and Pirog has defensive lapses. for Jacobs, I gave Hassan has four of his fights, he thinks he has not even won his last fight against Ishe Smith (Golovkin next opponent).

[yal]

Thankyou sir. I already have the Belghcham & Guarras fights, but I was really interested in seeing his fight with Martirosyan. Sparring videos are always a bonus aswell. :good

I'll try to put a six-rounder between Hassan and Sturm and four between Hassan and Sylvester.

[TFFP]

I'll try to put a six-rounder between Hassan and Sturm and four between Hassan and Sylvester.
Yes, please. I'd love to see that. :good

[TommyV]

Yes, please. I'd love to see that. :good

You're not the only one.

[cubex]

After watching tape on him I must say he impressed me a lot and became my favorite between the MW prospects.
He has it all,speed(in hands,feet and body movement),power,natural ability,athleticism,great reflexes and is very entertaining.
I like that he is a offensive fighter but can also box on the backfot if needed.His left hook is a thing of beauty,the way he finished Martirosyan with it and especially Guarras reminded me of Mosley-Vargas II.
What I don't like is that he seems to lunge in alot and admire his work often times going in and straight out with his hands down and getting caught.His defensesive maneuvres thrive on his reflexes a lot.He seemes to have some defensive liabilities.
His finishing skills might also be in question since he had Guarras hurt badly in the ifrst and also Martirosyan in the 4th and didn't finsh either.
Also his chin must be checked,he was stunned in the 3rd by Guarras.
Overall he is a very fan friendly fghter and a deinite guy t owatch at MW,just based on style nad explosivness I think he would give Golovkin at least a fight since the Kazakh has nevr encountered adversity even though he foguht better opposition.
Must get a elite promoter,staying in France won't help conquering the MW division.

[TFFP]

After watching tape on him I must say he impressed me a lot and became my favorite between the MW prospects.
He has it all,speed(in hands,feet and body movement),power,natural ability,athleticism,great reflexes and is very entertaining.
I like that he is a offensive fighter but can also box on the backfot if needed.His left hook is a thing of beauty,the way he finished Martirosyan with it and especially Guarras reminded me of Mosley-Vargas II.
What I don't like is that he seems to lunge in alot and admire his work often times going in and straight out with his hands down and getting caught.His defensesive maneuvres thrive on his reflexes a lot.He seemes to have some defensive liabilities.
His finishing skills might also be in question since he had Guarras hurt badly in the ifrst and also Martirosyan in the 4th and didn't finsh either.
Also his chin must be checked,he was stunned in the 3rd by Guarras.
Overall he is a very fan friendly fghter and a deinite guy t owatch at MW,just based on style nad explosivness I think he would give Golovkin at least a fight since the Kazakh has nevr encountered adversity even though he foguht better opposition.
Must get a elite promoter,staying in France won't help conquering the MW division.
Agree with all that.

[IntentionalButt]

What d'you make of this kid so far IB? How do you think he stacks up to the likes of Jacobs, Pirog and Golovkin at this stage?

Before I was merely an interested party, but now - after yal's excellent and generous post - officially a fan. I love the look of this kid. That's meant literally as much as anything else. Everything from his sculpted physique to his fluid movement - he just fits the part of what you'd want and expect in an ideal boxer. He's almost like a video game character, it's kind of crazy and makes it easy to get carried away with enthusiasm about his prospects (and equally puzzling and frustrating when he does silly things...). He clearly invests the time in training and it shows. I'd be shocked if his routine were much different or less intensive than PBF's, for instance.

When he's in the ring, his command is the first thing that strikes me. Even if he gets caught with a punch, he generally shrugs it off knowing he'll land on his feet and be dancing circles around his foe and breaking their ankles like a slippery point guard. His supreme confidence definitely borders on cockiness when he gets into an offensive rhythm, and he'll probably need to learn the hard way (by hitting the deck a few times) that he can't get away with certain things against top shelf talent.

There isn't a punch in the book that he can't throw not only correctly (from a technical standpoint) but brilliantly. Again, he looks like a video game character at times.

I actually don't have a huge problem with him pulling straight back, oddly enough. He's one of those guys that has the balance and agility to nearly bend over backwards, while moving his feet. The combination of kicking off with his toes to glide away from danger, while bending back at the waist, while tilting his head back pretty much guarantees his safety unless someone's got a freakish wingpsan down to their knees and lightning fast handspeed, and chases after him. Plus, after this move he usually reverts to his almost playful lateral skipping, which no MW I can think of is nimble enough to catch up with and time.

What I don't like is when he drops his hands while still in range. That's when he gets in trouble. He needs to realize that while he's faster than most everybody, he can't assume a mindset that he's untouchable.

His hook is one of the sexiest I've seen. Particularly the leaping version. :yep Again - video game character.

I don't think there's any doubt he's the preeminent European middleweight prospect. He could easily clear the field.

[IntentionalButt]

Fly, Hassan - go to CDG airport, spread your metaphorical wings, and fly!

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[cubex]

Also the guy has charisma.

I mean the whole dance in the Martirosyan walk in on Thriller was funny and intersting.

The Grand Tournoi final ring entrance with him and Belghacham on that truck was cool also.
He has a cockyness you kinda like.You could see his antics got to Affif Belghecham when he pushed him at the end of a round.

[IntentionalButt]

Also the guy has charisma.

I mean the whole dance in the Martirosyan walk in on Thriller was funny and intersting.

The Grand Tournoi final ring entrance with him and Belghacham on that truck was cool also.
He has a cockyness you kinda like.You could see his antics got to Affif Belghecham when he pushed him at the end of a round.

Yeah, and he knows how to keep the crowd in it, even in a mismatch. He'll be tying a guy up in knots while circling and potshotting, then take those risks by falling in and popping a Pretty Boy style shoulder roll before (and after) taking his own shots.

Also, unearthed an interesting factoid: 77-4-3 amateur record (over 90% win rate, about level with Vernon Forrest's for perspective...) and had wins over Andy Lee (decision) and Juan Ubaldo (1st round stoppage). Ubaldo is undefeated but hasn't stepped up as a pro...prior to the loss to Hassan, though, he widely outpointed Jean Pascal. :think

[cubex]

Yeah but I wouldn't trust his record as being 100% real.

In Africa they change numbers all the time.

[TFFP]

Fly, Hassan - go to CDG airport, spread your metaphorical wings, and fly!

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:yep

I'd like to see him fight a well known figure. He's fought some okay guys in a European context but I'd like to see him take that next step. Leaving France would help.

[yal]

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[TFFP]

^^ Thanks yal. Nice pictures, was that from when Haye fought Mormeck?

Keep up the good work. We are all converted Hassan fans, we rely on you for information! Try and get those videos for us when possible.

[IntentionalButt]

Very nice.

Hassan vs. Felix, 2010 :happy

[cubex]

Nice pics.

Sturm is a cool guy too.I'd like t osee the mfight.

[TFFP]

Just watched the fight against Guarras. Hell of a fight!

His defence was poor in this fight. He got hit a few times by big shots and was buzzed. Also you wouldn't expect to be seeing him have such trouble at this stage, though Guarras was very game and made it a brawl. Hassan should have given himself a bit of space and picked this guy apart. He landed a great left hook to finish it, its that punch again.

Obviously he had 3 fights between this fight and the Martirosyan fight so perhaps he's matured, or perhaps the recklessness and chance taking of Guarras is what caused him trouble.

[cubex]

Part of the recklesness is IMO because he hurt Guarras early and put him down twice so he probably thought he could whatever with him.

[TFFP]

Possibly, it was just a bit sloppy compared to what I watched against Martirosyan where he in control throughout. The guy he fought was quite ambitious and game, I noticed it was part of the tournament which probably explains that, seems NDNJ got caught up in the excitement of it too.

Gonna have a look at the sparring with Balzsay now.

[IntentionalButt]

Possibly, it was just a bit sloppy compared to what I watched against Martirosyan where he in control throughout. The guy he fought was quite ambitious and game, I noticed it was part of the tournament which probably explains that, seems NDNJ got caught up in the excitement of it too.

Gonna have a look at the sparring with Balzsay now.

What did you think? HNN vs. Balzsay for real could actually be quite a stunner.

[paddymickey]

Yeah, and he knows how to keep the crowd in it, even in a mismatch. He'll be tying a guy up in knots while circling and potshotting, then take those risks by falling in and popping a Pretty Boy style shoulder roll before (and after) taking his own shots.

Also, unearthed an interesting factoid: 77-4-3 amateur record (over 90% win rate, about level with Vernon Forrest's for perspective...) and had wins over Andy Lee (decision) and Juan Ubaldo (1st round stoppage). Ubaldo is undefeated but hasn't stepped up as a pro...prior to the loss to Hassan, though, he widely outpointed Jean Pascal. :think
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he actually drew with Lee in Athens back in 2004 but when they did the count back they gave him the decision. would love to see a pro rematch though!

[IntentionalButt]

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he actually drew with Lee in Athens back in 2004 but when they did the count back they gave him the decision. would love to see a pro rematch though!

You've seen it? Don't suppose you have video you can share by any chance? :D

[paddymickey]

You've seen it? Don't suppose you have video you can share by any chance? :D


Sorry IntentionalHeadbutt, it appears the only highlights of the games in Athens are of GAmboa, Rigondeaux and Povetkin (surprise surpirse)! Lee was the only 1 who qualified from Ireland and N'ijkam was with Cameroon. I think the score was 27:27 before the countback. Anyway they both seem to be doing well and 1 or either of them could be on their way to a Euoropean title. Actually I can imagine Nijkam going after Sylvester. Macklin said he is willing to fight Lee and defend the EBU title!

[cubex]

N'Dam N'Jikam vs Barbosa

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Thank me later.

[Brickhaus]

I'd love to see Hassan against the guy in my avatar (Fernando Guerrero) - that would be an all out war. I suspect that Hassan is a little better than Guerrero in just about every way, but they're almost like mirror images of each other.

[BigEars]

You've seen it? Don't suppose you have video you can share by any chance? :D

I've seen it and Lee was robbed imo.
The vast majority of the scores N'Jikam got were from(what were clearly) slaps, you'd swear that the white part of the glove was just there for fun and didn't mean anything. Even if you do score the shots for N'Jikam which shouldn't have counted Lee still should of got it.

Thankfully from what I've see of the Cameroon fighter as a pro he's improved his technique drastically and doesn't seem to wing slaps like he did as an amateur. I was actually shocked when I first saw him fight pro, as I was expecting the wild frenzied slapper from his amateur days.

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N'Dam N'Jikam vs Barbosa

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Thank me later.


Thank you cubex! :D

Very nice work there. Patient, efficient, and entertaining approach to the stoppage. Usual gripes; had a few cocky moments where he took shots he oughtn't, but overall a grand performance. The third round here may be some of the best I've seen him look. His rapid-fire shovelhooks to the body are a thing of beauty, and it's a pleasure to watch the evolution of his jab as he grows more confident with it as a set-up tool from Le Grand Tournoi onward. That almost feline nimble spring in his step just seems innate, like he isn't capable of having an off night in terms of agility.

Based on just this and the Martirosyan rout, my girlfriend is now officially part of the N'dam fanclub. :yep

[bez]

cool

[paddymickey]

Be nice to see him fight outside France in my opinion!

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Be nice to see him fight outside France in my opinion!

Everybody except maybe the French is in agreement here! :lol:

Actually I'm sure even they'd like to see their local boy strike out on his own in the world and make good, even if it's at the expense of losing out on his razzle-dazzle performances at home.

[Odo]

Be nice to see him fight outside France in my opinion!


:goodmy thoughts,micky

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Just 7 weeks after his last win, Hassan is back in action this Thursday in Gay Paris against 17-2 (11) Sergio Jose Sanders. War HNN! :happy

[Brickhaus]

Just 7 weeks after his last win, Hassan is back in action this Thursday in Gay Paris against 17-2 (11) Sergio Jose Sanders. War HNN! :happy

As far as a nickname is concerned, how about H1N2?

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As far as a nickname is concerned, how about H1N2?

Love it. :rofl

He can have "NO CURE" on the back of his trunks. :ibutt

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And it's a 6th round stoppage! :happy

This aired on Canal+ Sport, wasn't able to find a way to watch live (not for lack of trying!) but hopefully some clips at least wind up on YT.

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Better than nothing...

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And this is from the fight a couple months back with Goncalo...
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Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam

[randeris]

Any word on this great prospects next fight?

[yal]

Any word on this great prospects next fight?
27 february, probably against Avtandil Khurthsidze

[cubex]

27 february, probably against Avtandil Khurthsidze

Where?

When will he step up a bit?Or is a title eliminator in the plans?I know a sanctioning body rates him at no 3.

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Where?

When will he step up a bit?Or is a title eliminator in the plans?I know a sanctioning body rates him at no 3.

Khurtsidze seems to constitute a minor step up at least from the last pair since Martirosyan. Stylistically he's like a bootleg, very poor man (welfare recipient's) LaMotta. HNN should handle him on speed alone, without even needing to dig deep or utilize much of his skill (in that sense not the most progressive opponent).

I'd very much like HNN to at least cross the Rhine and challenge Sturm on RTL, if not try to blaze a trail for himself in the U.S. (maybe learning from the failures of his countryman Mendy, and seeking out more than a small potatoes promoter).

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Back in action (along with Jean Paul Mendy and bantamweight prospect Jerome Arnould) on March 6th! :happy

[randeris]

Any word on the opponent?

I'm very high on this guy. Hope he steps it up soon. How about a WBO eliminator with Golovkin or Pirog? Winner facing Pavlik would be very interesting.

[ImElvis666]

This guy is a fantastic talent. He could beat any of the Middleweight champs imo. (well, Pavlik would be a toughie but I wouldn't rule him out)

A very well rounded able boxer. Great amateur record. Beat my man Andy Lee in the olympics :mad:. I hope he steps up sooner rather than later. He would take Sylvester to the cleaners.

[Kelly green]

Hassan ndam njikam will take on Elvin Ayala on the 6th of march for the vacant WBA international title.

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Hassan ndam njikam will take on Elvin Ayala on the 6th of march for the vacant WBA international title.

This is a step in the right direction! :thumbsup

[IntentionalButt]

Are there any French-language sportsbooks with odds up for N'dam N'Jikam vs. Ayala? None of the American or British ones have a line on it...but they do have the card's main event Arnould vs. McDonnell.

Thanks!

[ashley]

This is a step in the right direction! :thumbsup

Thats Mundines title.....I wonder why he vacated that?

Must be something interesting going on at the top end of the WBA 160 division :deal

[barry big balls]

Thats Mundines title.....I wonder why he vacated that?

Must be something interesting going on at the top end of the WBA 160 division :deal
Mundine most likely shit his pants at the thought of fighting a real livewire like hassan ndam njikam.

[ashley]

Mundine most likely shit his pants at the thought of fighting a real livewire like hassan ndam njikam.

Hassan is very good for sure....however Mundine has another fight he is targeting a bit higher up the list :good

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Hassan would knock Anthony back to his home continent the hard and more direct way, through every of layer crust, mantle, and core. :lol:

So yal, other French-speakers...no odds for the Ayala match, eh?

[ashley]

Hassan would knock Anthony back to his home continent the hard and more direct way, through every of layer crust, mantle, and core. :lol:

So yal, other French-speakers...no odds for the Ayala match, eh?

Sure he's a good fighter but who has Hassan faced that is on the same level as Mundine to make you think he would smash Mundine?

[Brickhaus]

Sure he's a good fighter but who has Hassan faced that is on the same level as Mundine to make you think he would smash Mundine?

Who has Mundine faced in the last few years who's on the same level as Hassan? Mundine is visibly on the slide since fighting Green, and frankly his opposition since then has been no better than who N'Jikam has been facing recently.

[ashley]

Who has Mundine faced in the last few years who's on the same level as Hassan? Mundine is visibly on the slide since fighting Green, and frankly his opposition since then has been no better than who N'Jikam has been facing recently.

Daniel Geale for a start 22-0 when Mundine beat him

Mundines not on the decline...he just finds it hard to "get up" for average fights.

He fought Rob Medley last out 27-2 only lost to World champs

Not saying Hassan will or wont win...my question was who has he faced on Mundines level?

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Daniel Geale for a start 22-0 when Mundine beat him

Mundines not on the decline...he just finds it hard to "get up" for average fights.

He fought Rob Medley last out 27-2 only lost to World champs

Not saying Hassan will or wont win...my question was who has he faced on Mundines level?

Ayala would have been a good answer...unfortunately it's not happening. :verysad

It will be N' Jikam vs. Ermis
Friday, March 19th, 2010

Finally, undefeated pugilist laid off in Hassan N' Dam N' Jikam (of Pantin, France - 26 years; 1,80 m; 22 wins, of which 15 before the border) will scrub itself to the German Mike Ermis (26 years; 1,76 m; 8 successes, among which expeditious 4, no 2, 8 defeats), on Saturday in Palestre, in Cannet-Côte of Azure (Alpes-Maritimes). " The fixed rate of the American Elvin Ayala is a huge tile, but Hassan will be on the poster tomorrow ", explained Sebastian Acariès, who does not like to penalize his boxer and the beneficial effects of set up preparation a little more than a month ago.

Sorry for the bad web translation. Here's the original text:

Vendredi 19 mars 2010

Ce sera N'Jikam vs. Ermis
Boxe professionnelle

Finalement, l’invaincu pugiliste licencié à Pantin Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam (26 ans ; 1,80 m ; 22 victoires, dont 15 avant la limite) se frottera à l’Allemand Mike Ermis (26 ans ; 1,76 m ; 8 succès, dont 4 expéditifs, 2 nuls, 8 défaites), samedi à La Palestre, au Cannet-Côte d'Azur (Alpes-Maritimes). « Le forfait de l'Américain Elvin Ayala est une énorme tuile, mais Hassan sera à l’affiche demain », a expliqué Sébastien Acariès, qui ne souhaite pas pénaliser son boxeur et les bienfaits de la préparation mise en place il y a un peu plus d’un mois.

So, what does that mean - Ayala asked the promoter for too much money on the eve of the fight?

[ashley]

Ayala would have been a good answer...unfortunately it's not happening. :verysad.........

So, what does that mean - Ayala asked the promoter for too much money on the eve of the fight?

Yes it would have been a good test and a very good answer....I was looking forward to seeing the outcome of this fight.

[IntentionalButt]

Well...on the bright side, the KO ratio goes up (with a guy who'd never been stopped, so that's nice), but this probably wasn't a great development opportunity.

yal, anything to report on how our boy looked?

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Hassan says on Facebook that he plans to fight Golovkin for the vacant WBA belt! :ibutt

[ashley]

Hassan says on Facebook that he plans to fight Golovkin for the vacant WBA belt! :ibutt

Great fight mate.....WAR

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Hassan says he's already in training for a June 5th date in Morocco.

[20a87]

What for, who against etc?

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What for, who against etc?

He says it'll be LaJuan Simon (who's apparently got a tune-up against TBA in a couple of weeks). :happy

That ain't bad at all! Even better than Ayala (especially since Simon's coming off a win over Elvin).

[20a87]

He says it'll be LaJuan Simon (who's apparently got a tune-up against TBA in a couple of weeks). :happy

That ain't bad at all! Even better than Ayala (especially since Simon's coming off a win over Elvin).

Thank you

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It looks like he's scheduled for his first-ever 12-rounder this Saturday.

The opponent is 40-9-3 Omar Gabriel Weis, who's been in with names such as Zab Judah[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Antonio Diaz, Emanuel Augustus, Ray Oliviera, and Hector Camacho Jr.

Hopefully the Golovkin clash still happens soon...maybe for a belt.

[ashley]

It looks like he's scheduled for his first-ever 12-rounder this Saturday.

The opponent is 40-9-3 Omar Gabriel Weis, who's been in with names such as Zab Judah[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Antonio Diaz, Emanuel Augustus, Ray Oliviera, and Hector Camacho Jr.

Hopefully the Golovkin clash still happens soon...maybe for a belt.

Yeah whats going on with Hassan and Golovkin for the WBA 160 strap?

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Yeah whats going on with Hassan and Golovkin for the WBA 160 strap?

That's the million dollar question.

Hassan just added an eighth round KO over Weis to his ledger.

Golovkin is supposedly lined up to duke it out with a woeful fringe contender in Milton Nunez.

They both need to improve their diets, even if they're not going to sink their teeth into each other any time soon!

[Fitir]

Golovkin fights a young light middle, Milton Nunez, for the WBA title. Winner (probably Golovkin of course...) has to fight Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam under 3 months. Difference is that Golovkin will obtain a better purse being the titleholder.

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Golovkin fights a young light middle, Milton Nunez, for the WBA title. Winner (probably Golovkin of course...) has to fight Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam under 3 months. Difference is that Golovkin will obtain a better purse being the titleholder.

Will it still be in Kazakhstan?

Supposedly that's the reason so many opponents turned down a date with Golovkin; his people insisted on it being held there and nobody trusted their chance to get a fair shake there.

[Fitir]

I don't know but according to netboxe it would be in the US or in Mexico on the end of july or on august.

[fast hands]

Golovkin V Nunez World ranking 240 should never have been sanctioned
as a title fight it's a joke.

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Well, Weis isn't all that much greater an opponent than Nunez but at least this wasn't a title fight. :yep

xdo7t2

Hassan showing speed, reflexes, and grace as usual...not to mention crowd-wooing charm.

[Escopeta]

I have no idea who that Nunez is to be honest but worse things have happened by the WBA. At least there is some hope that Golovkin has to do a mandatory defense within the next 4 month after he won the vacant belt against N´Dam as their rules say. Unlike Gamboa for example who got his belt gifted too and never had to fight anyone serious.
I´m pretty much sold on Golovkin and i feel its a good thing that he shows up on FSN instead of doing a fight in Kazakhstan.

[yal]

Ivaylo Gotzev, manager of the official WBA middleweight challenger Gennady Golovkin, has declared yesterday in an interview for *********** that the talentuous french-camerounese Hassan N'dam, also co-challenger for the vacant WBA title, is "unable" to fight Gennady on the 31st of July, as he fought Gabriel Weis on the 12th of June. Team N'Dam read the thereabove mentioned interview and wants to deny these allegations : Hassan is ready to fight Golovkin. N'Dam's mentor Mouss Ouicher wants to clarify the situation and bring further elements :

"By what right does M.Gotvez dare to declare that my fighter is not ready to fight Golovkin on the 31st of July ? Contrary to what he said, not only Hassan is ready to fight Golovkin but he is certain to win the fight. N'Dam is a conscientious professional boxer, training six days a week all year long. We had a six months preparation during which Hassan made more than 200 rounds of sparring in the last two months. The fight against Gabriel Weis was just a step for the world title. Golovkin and his team are reacting as if he was already champion, but he's just a co-challenger like Hassan. They say they won the bids and therefore have the rights to organize the bout, but theses bids only concerned Golovkin-Mundine, not Golovkin-Ndam. They want to use this as an excuse to determine the date and place of the fight, but if they offer us the same amount of money Mundine has been proposed, I would accept without hesitation, else the dice are loaded. It is true that we had an offer for a fight against Golovkin on the 24th of July in Kazakhstan, but the purse was ridiculous. They won the bids offering 1.2 million dollars which should logically be split equally between both boxers, but apparently they don't see things that way. This attitude does not deserve our sport, how could Golovkin say he is world champion if he beats Milton Numez, who has only fought in his country and is ranked 240th on boxrec ???

How is it credible ? How could Golovkin feel like true a champion ? Is there a single boxing fan who would accept this ? It is not too late, if they want a real world title fight worthy of the name, they just have to respect the rules. If so, Hassan will be happy to fight and beat Golovkin.

As a conclusion, we ask Team Golovkin to contact our promoters with a serious offer, and let our boxers fight to see who is the true champion. Enough of this boxing business where the first-ranked boxer chooses to fight the 15th and the second the 30th. I hope that after this reaction Mr, mendoza President of the WBA will not allow the regular world championship that I do not find credible between GOLOVKIN and NUNEZ. " declared Mouss Ouicher, trainer and manager of Hassan N'dam.


"I am physically ready. If the fight does not happen, it is just because of formalities caused by the Golovkin clan." entrusted Hassan N'Dam.


"Concerning the vacant WBO title, it is strange that Daniel Jacob was designated number 1 whereas a few weeks ago he was ranked behind N'Dam. Same for Gennady Martirosyan who is now ranked number 4 despite being badly beaten and KOed in the 10th round by N'Dam last year. How can you explain this ??? It clearly shows that we are victim of promoters' influence in order to put Hassan aside and avoid a fight against him. I am still waiting for an answer from the president of WBO about this question." declared Mouss Ouicher.

[Fitir]

A good example of a bad management. Imo Golovkin would be favoured to win against N'Dam and trying everything to avoid the fight is completely stupid. Of course Golovkin will obtain a better purse than N'Dam with this ?!? title fight against Nunez ! But imo it's a poor way to build a career. Golovkin has to obtain recognition to target the big purses. Another reason to make me think it's a bad move : N'Dam is not stupid, he understood Golovkin's team considers him as a threat and it will boost his confidence...

[Escopeta]

Golovkin vs Nunez is obviously a tune up fight
okay its for a vacant belt thats shit but Nunez at least seems to and can punch other than the opponents N´Dam takes on.
Golovkin has already fought soild competition in the pros and I thinks thats okay to do a tune up when you got a new trainer and all that
As I said I just hope Gena can generate some interest in the US so the fight with N´Dam can happen in the US or anywhere but Kazakhstan so that we can watch it.
I´m worried about Gotzev too who is a dickhead. I just hope he is not going to try to protect Golovkin from nothing and make him look like a fraud. that would be ridiculous bullshit.

[Fitir]

I completely disagree : Golovkin and N'Dam fought several better opponents than Nunez even if they never fought anyone really good at world level. For example N'Dam beat convicigly Martirosyan and Belghecham. You cannot compare those guys who are solid at euro level with Nunez.
Nunez is a complete nobody. He is 22, his record is padded and it seems he is not even a real MW. Nunez for the vacant title proves once again that the WBA is a joke. But the WBA is not the only one to blame : Golovkin's team makes a big mistake. N'Dam is ready, no excuse can be found for such an attitude.

[Escopeta]

I said its shit because its for the belt.
Do you think Nunez is worse than the fat powder punching welterweight from N´Dams last fight? Golovkin clearly fought the way better competition. Gardner, Khomitski, Dziarra, Makarov..

N´Dam team admitted in the letter above that they turned the offer down.
If they think N´Dam is a draw even close to what Mundine is in Australia and they can get about the same money for a fight with Golovkin in the middle of nowhere of Kazakhstan or on a mexican FSN card then they are ridiculous. Can N´Dam sell some millions ppv buys in France as Mundine can do in Australia? I guess no

So okay Golovkin gets the belt gifted, N´Dam is the mandatory challenger and he has to fight him within the next few month. If an agreement cant be reached it goes to a purse bid. I can live with that if it goes that way.

[Fitir]

And of course being the "champion" Golovkin will obtain the better purse. Golovkin is NOT the champion, currently he is just another challenger and it's not a fight against Nunez that will change something.

N'Dam turned down an offer to come to Kazakhstan for a ridiculous purse. His team said "You obtained the right to organize Golovkin vs Mundine for 1200000$. In the end it won't be Golovkin vs Mundine and it won't be 1200000$. Hence the purse bid you won does not count and the WBA has to organize another purse bid. The repartition of the purses have to be 50/50 of course."
Fair and square imo. At least far better than a joke fight against Nunez, the way you conquered your 1st title fight is very important in a career ! This joke fight would be the worst way to start a reign for Golovkin... I cannot see why you even try to argue in this case.

And I also read that Martirosyan obtained the 4th rank in the WBO rankings, a better ranking than N'Dam who dominated him with ease ?!? But I shouldn't be surprised. N'Dam should sign with a real promoter or he will be another "Jean-Paul Mendy" , he is talented enough and he has the style to be interesting. Staying with Acaries who is clearly past it as a promoter is a big mistake.

[Escopeta]

Golovkin had to wait long time for his shot and after Mundine has bitched out they allowed him to choose anyone from their rankings. N´Dam has never been named as an official challenger so he cant demand anything. Thats a decision by the WBA no one can blame Glovkin for. The belt isnt a big deal either since its only the 2nd spot and Sturm who ducked Golovkin was upgraded to super champion. Despite that they offered N´Dam a fight. Neither of them is yet a draw and so none can expect any big money for a fight being held in Kazakhstan.
There are some other good prospects in the WBA 160lbs rankings. If Golovkin had fought the likes of Korobov or Lemieux instead of N´Dam N´Dam would have been out and none had complaint. but Golovkin is going to fight a potential bum and N´Dam is just crying around and does nothing. N´Dam cant expect to get any credit because Golovkin fights a bum. By his own choice he has nothing to do with that.

but if they offer us the same amount of money Mundine has been proposed, I would accept without hesitationthats a quite clear statement about what they feel is a ridiculous purse and what is not imo. so they turned the fight down bc the money didnt suit them. fine but they shouldnt cry then afterwards. boxing has never been fair you have to fight for your rights.

Martirosyan owns some WBO-Euro belt so he pays his fees and gets up in their ranking.
not surprising. sure its ridiculous but thats how it works with those alphabet organizations.

[yal]

I hope you laugh Escopette the Team Golovkin have no right to use the scholarship offer that won against Mundine, they want the validity of the offer he gave half to Hassan, the question is not knowing if Hassan is popular or not, there is a rule to follow, the two challengers must take each 50% of the award given after we should not split hairs, the Team has simply Golovkin Hassan afraid I know very well the two boxers, I'll bet anything that I would fight N'Dam Golovkin they confront, frankly Hassan is a friend, I can assure you it is ready to go Mexico to face Golovkin, after he takes a modicum of dignity, just behind the classification Golovkin, logically it is co-challenger for the vacant title, bids must be again if the Team does not give Golovkin 50 % to Hassan and is quite logic.

[Escopeta]

N´Dam isnt a co-challenger
Mundine wanted no part of Golovkin
WBA failded to get him an opponent since "the man" bitched out
face the reality. Golovkin has already got the belt gifted
All he has to do is a an optional-defense-like fight against any WBA ranked fighter.
After that he hopefully has to fight N´Dam in a mandatory defense.
also i somehow have difficulties to understand you language. :huh

How do you know that it wasnt a fair offer?
A fight on a FSN undercard in Mexcio or in Kazakhstan draws next to nothing.
Golovkin isnt getting any big money from that either
crying for any money even close to Mundine vs Golovkin is just ridiculous that not in for that fight. There is no reason why any businessman should accept such ridiculous demands. In case they offered him the half of that Mundine money that would be more than fair. If it goes to purse bid for the mandatory defense there will be a 75-25 split in favor of Golovkin.

[Fitir]

Problem is that N'Dam is too talented for his promoter (it seems Golovkin is in the same situation...) I am sure those guys want to fight each other. N'Dam has dominated clearly the French boxing scene and he has been ready to step up for several years.

I have to be fair with Acaries who is (was ?) very good to manage the career of guys who can be at best limited titleholders ala Bruno Girard. But it's not a good way to manage/keep talented boxers. People are fed up with fake world championships. The Asloum era was a disaster for Acaries and the French boxing scene and Canal+, the historical channel, left them !

With Acaries Hassan could end like Mendy or at best like Tiozzo. If only he could sign with Orange Sport and team Mormeck. A channel with €€€ and a young promoter : the only hopes for the French pro boxing scene imo.

[yal]

When a title is free both logically ranked competing for the vacant title that is how it happens, then Mundine withdrew Hassan take his place, even if the official challenger Golovkin, it absolutely must confront Hassan and he wants his Affre be valid it gives Hassan what he would have given Mundine, who demonstrated that Mundine Golovkin and not just to buy the film rights battle? if not for the validity of the auction, I give a similar example, when Murat had abandoned his EBU title, the scholarship offers were made between feedback and Dimitri Sartison Mad as Sartison and withdrew from the lute to compete for the title WBA Maguee replaced him and bids were invalid because the team did not pall given Maguee Sartison that would have won, that's exactly the same thing on the supply Golovkin gave Hassan I know the exact amount, and I can tell you it's a pittance, just to say that I gave an offer to Hassan but he refused, it is a shame to offer such a sum. Hassan insists face Golovkin, he's convinced he would beat him, even his home in Kazakhstan, is Golovkin who does everything to avoid Hassan.

[yal]

Problem is that N'Dam is too talented for his promoter (it seems Golovkin is in the same situation...) I am sure those guys want to fight each other. N'Dam has dominated clearly the French boxing scene and he has been ready to step up for several years.

I have to be fair with Acaries who is (was ?) very good to manage the career of guys who can be at best limited titleholders ala Bruno Girard. But it's not a good way to manage/keep talented boxers. People are fed up with fake world championships. The Asloum era was a disaster for Acaries and the French boxing scene and Canal+, the historical channel, left them !

With Acaries Hassan could end like Mendy or at best like Tiozzo. If only he could sign with Orange Sport and team Mormeck. A channel with €€€ and a young promoter : the only hopes for the French pro boxing scene imo.
Salut Fitir, je n'arrive pas à savoir qui vous êtes mais je suis sur que on se connait :p

[Escopeta]

When a title is free both logically ranked competing for the vacant title that is how it happens, then Mundine withdrew Hassan take his place, even if the official challenger Golovkin, it absolutely must confront Hassan and he wants his Affre be valid it gives Hassan what he would have given Mundine, who demonstrated that Mundine Golovkin and not just to buy the film rights battle? if not for the validity of the auction, I give a similar example, when Murat had abandoned his EBU title, the scholarship offers were made between feedback and Dimitri Sartison Mad as Sartison and withdrew from the lute to compete for the title WBA Maguee replaced him and bids were invalid because the team did not pall given Maguee Sartison that would have won, that's exactly the same thing on the supply Golovkin gave Hassan I know the exact amount, and I can tell you it's a pittance, just to say that I gave an offer to Hassan but he refused, it is a shame to offer such a sum. Hassan insists face Golovkin, he's convinced he would beat him, even his home in Kazakhstan, is Golovkin who does everything to avoid Hassan.


Golovkin is their mandatory challenger for ages
Sturm who even declared by court that he wont fight him and would rather vacant his belt ducked him and after that Mundine from whose team not even anyone attended to the purse bid ducked him too
N´Dam would have only been the replacements replacement.
They have tried to get him a fight for the belt for more than six month.
that has been a never ending story and Golovkin is 28 years of age.
For how long do you think that an outstandiger fighter like Gena should be forced to stay inactive? N´Dam got an 6-digit offer and bitched around and did a fight with another journeymen instead while Nunez was the only ranked boxer who was willing to take that fight so the WBA approved Golovkin vs Nunez rather than wasting any more time though none can be pleased with that situation. N´Dam will hopefully be named as the mandatory challenger next. So they can put a huge offer together win the purse bid and get the fight heading to france or more likely they´ll use the time to find another proper bullshit excuse in order to duck Golovkin.:D

[Fitir]

Smells like a troll.
If you are happy with the way Golovkin team and the WBA manage to turn a joke into a title fight I cannot do anything for you.
Worst is that it was simple to do the things right in this case :
- a new purse bid for N'Dam vs Golovkin
- a REAL fight
- a deserving titleholder ready for bigger fights and unifications
Instead :
- a fight with 0 interest : Golovkin vs the only cab driver who agreed to fight in those conditions
- a talented boxer, Golovkin, who will be widely considered as a paper champ...
Wake up. Golovkin is talented but he is unknown. Beginning a reign as an interim WBA champion who obtained his title against a ?!? LMW won't help him.

[yal]

I took you seriously, but cy is, you proved is that you updated of anything, the scholarship was awarded to face Hassan Golovkin and 5 figures and I can guarantee you it is much closer to 10,000 than 99,999. how do you think Hassan accepts this? Golovkin has supposedly won the right to organize with a bid of 1.2 million dollars.

[Escopeta]

Smells like a troll.
If you are happy with the way Golovkin team and the WBA manage to turn a joke into a title fight I cannot do anything for you.
Worst is that it was simple to do the things right in this case :
- a new purse bid for N'Dam vs Golovkin
- a REAL fight
- a deserving titleholder ready for bigger fights and unifications
Instead :
- a fight with 0 interest : Golovkin vs the only cab driver who agreed to fight in those conditions
- a talented boxer, Golovkin, who will be widely considered as a paper champ...
Wake up. Golovkin is talented but he is unknown. Beginning a reign as an interim WBA champion who obtained his title against a ?!? LMW won't help him.

never said anything like that but said..
its for a vacant belt thats shit
none can be pleased with that situation
N´Dam got an 6-digit offer and bitched around
Sturm and Mundine ducked him and Gena has already been waiting for ages
Golovkin has got the belt gifted
The belt isnt a big deal

Gena hasnt fought since last November. He needs to stay acitve at this stage of his career. He cant wait until N´Dam grows the balls to face him in case he will get that far once at all and just sit around meanwhile. At least Golovkin has a fight set and he gets TV appearance in the US and Mexico.
that WBA regular belt cant be unified other than with the WBA super champ what wont happen anyway.


I took you seriously, but cy is, you proved is that you updated of anything, the scholarship was awarded to face Hassan Golovkin and 5 figures and I can guarantee you it is much closer to 10,000 than 99,999. how do you think Hassan accepts this? Golovkin has supposedly won the right to organize with a bid of 1.2 million dollars.


there wasnt such a low offer around 10k or something now thats bullshit.
maybe there is a difference between what Golovkins promoter offered N´Dams manager and to what he offered N´Dam.
As pointed out various times N´Dam is not Mundine.
Do you honestly think anyone can gain $1.2 millions out of an Gena vs N´Dam clash in Kazakhstan or even for an co-featured FSN fight held in Mexico. get serious man.
Such an FSN Card as a whole has a next to nothing budget including Segura fight, Golovkin vs Nunez as well as the other undercard fights.
And N´Dam demands 600k so he will step in
Thats nothing but a bitchmove they cant afford that plain and simple.
that purse bid has not the slightest effect anymore since their is no Golovkin vs Mundine fight its like that purse bid had never took place. It was just a waste of time.
Golovkin has been the mandatory challenger for the WBA major belt since the past year. Sturm just refused to fight him.
The outcome was Gena was sent back and only allowed to challenge for their minor belt.
Mundine wanted no part of him. after some more month of wasted time he just refused to sign the contract after the purse bid.
Then another two month later N´Dam turned their offer down.
And Golovkin ends up fighting a potential bum for a worthless belt gets no credit doesnt make any noticeable money and has to pay the sanction fees. Can it get any worse than that?
He is already one of the most avoided men in todays boxing.

[Fitir]

I see you are still with your "Grow some balls" and other jokes. Please keep that for the general forum. Only naive fans believe boxing negotiations have something to do with courage. N'Dam is 26, he is good, he has no belt and his promoter only works with the WBA : he has 0 reason to duck Golovkin... It's just a question of business here.

There are facts :
- Sturm didn't want to fight Golovkin : high risk/low reward
- WBA found a solution, Golovkin will fight for the normal title
- Golovkin's team won the right to organize Golovkin vs Mundine for 1 200 000$.
- Mundine is not interested.

Hence a new purse bid has to be organized for Golovkin vs "some deserving challenger" it's as simple as that. No matter the figures how did they decide the amount of the purses ? What is the repartition ?
Only a tomato can could agree to fight Golovkin for a few bucks under his conditions and that's exactly what happened. They found Nunez, a perfect no hoper. Even a hardcore Golovkin fan can't be satisfied with such a joke. And it's for a "world championship"... Poor sport and poor guys who will pay to see that...

[Escopeta]

Are you saying there is no protecting system in boxing and no fights couldnt get done just bc either the promoter manager or boxer isnt willing to take the risk? Well a smart boxer should even know about his limits. If N´Dam was smart he knew that he wouldnt stand the slightest chance in a fights Golovkin so maybe it will be a wise business decision to keep the zero avoid Golovkin and move on by fighting the next powder punching washed up and out of shape welterweight journeymen until he gets a big payday.
I stated around 100 times that its shit that the fight is for the belt and that none can be pleased with that situation getting tired of that.
But a fight is still better than no fight at all.

The facts are that two fights couldnt get done
That put N´Dam in the picture since he is the next ranked contender
He turned an offer down and the negotiations felt apart.
So if the WBA had ordered another pursebid who would have assured that N´Dam had singed the contract and really had taken the fight if the winning bid had been much lower than 1.2 millions for example or if he got an proper offer to fight someone else or whatever.
Where should that lead into? Next pursebid with the next contender and next and next... and Golovkin ends up as the likes of Guillermo Jones.
Thats bullshit. Golovkin can do his fight and after that they can try to reach a fight with N´Dam within the next four month in case N´Dam is willing to fight. The WBA decision to approve Golovkin vs Nunez is still less worse than their decision to upgrade Sturm to super champion but thats all just business their goal is to get their fees paid.
I doubt Nunez can be worse than Koji Sato.
N´Dam isnt even at a disadvantage compared to the status he had before. he just wont benefit from the Sturm and Mundine duck jobs.

There are Martinez, Sturm, Sylvester, Zbik, Chavez jr, Pirog vs Jacobs winner and Golovkin if he gets his job done.
seven beltholders in one division.

[Fitir]

If N´Dam was smart he knew that he wouldnt stand the slightest chance in a fights Golovkin
Not a slightest chance ? OK now I am sure you are a troll.
Golovkin has turned into some new Robinson recently ? He was very successful as an amateur, he did some good performances as a pro but nothing fantastic yet. I had studied him against Bouadla and it was good but far to be so impressive.
He seems more classic, more serious, more powerful than N'Dam but also a bit slower. N'Dam is very very fast. Golovkin is favored to win OK but writing that N'Dam "wouldn't stand the slightest chance" is ridiculous...

[IntentionalButt]

Most objective observers agree it would be a very even match. Some favor Hassan and some favor Gennady but to act like one does not belong in the ring with the other or wouldn't stand a slight chance is ridiculous.

[Fitir]

I would slightly favor Golovkin. N'Dam has lacked quality opposition because of his promoter. How would he react if he was in real trouble for the 1st time ? Of course it's nearly the same situation for Golovkin but he is a bit more classic as a boxer. I would be more confident about his capacity to follow a match plan. It's clear N'Dam would have to use his superior speed to dictate the rythm but against Golovkin who is really skilled it's not easy to do that for 12 rounds. An interesting fight...but anyway instead we will have this ?!? Nunez !

[Escopeta]

If the fight comes off N´Dam will be Genas best win so far.
Its a legit fight. Golovkin has to start somewhere. I never said anything like they dont belong in the same ring.
But style make fights and N´Dam is an easy target and widely open for Golovkin
He is neither slick nor has he any tools to keep Gena off him.
No upper body movements no reflexes and his uncoordinated dancing will be exposed as a joke when Gena cuts him off.
His only serious weapon in that fight could be his righthook. but he barely uses it mostly throws it straight. His lefthook is actally better but wont work against Golovkin since he is wide open whe he throws it and Gena will just step in while N´Dam is jumping around and counter him clean.
That will turn out as a Pacquiao vs Hatton style mismatch.
Golovkin will slow him down with bodywork early on while N´Dam wont be effective working to the body due to Genas much proper defense and then Gena will finish him off.
Golovkin will get under N´Dams jab and blast him away on the infight.
Golovkin isnt any slow. especially his power punches are very explosive and come across from difficult angels. Golovkin will easily benefit from all the flaws N´Dam makes. N´Dam wont see it comming.
I really have no idea what you guys see in N´Dam. Sure hes decent and a good prospect but he isnt even close to Golovkins level.
The only scenario N´Dam could win this is when he turnes out as an huge iron chin and Golovkin who never went 12 rounds yet gasses out in the championship rounds and goes down after the air draft of a midge connected to him. Other than that Golovkin will dominate and stop N´Dam.

[dfh85]

N'dam N'jikam has great reflexes and upper body movement.

Agree about his style being unsuited to Golovkin, who will fire off straight shots right through N'dam's guard.

But listen - this is all speculation. We can talk all night about each fighter style. Anything can happen in the ring, and the little subtleties which, as spectators, we don't always see - will dictate which way this fight would go.

[Fitir]

According to Netboxe team N'Dam obtained what they asked in the end.
Golovkin vs Nunez will only be for the "interim" WBA title, not for the regular title. The winner of this joke has to fight N'Dam under 3 months and this time it will be for the regular WBA title. Golovkin will not be considered as the WBA champion against N'Dam and of course it's different in terms of purses.

[Escopeta]

wise decision
that increases the chance that N´Dam is actually going to take the fight.
what is he supposed to do in the meantime?
rematch Gabriel Weis? :hey

[Fitir]

Forget that. Golovkin has pushed the limits and the sport has entered another dimension. Weis has become too good for a tune up fight ! Since Golovkin vs Nunez is for a world "interim" title N'Dam vs Weis would be at least for the super title, maybe even for the undisputed title.
Seriously Golovkin can be happy that at least one serious guy wants to fight him... You need to have a decent opponent to prove you are potentially great. Nobody will be interested in him if he fights guys like Nunez.

[Escopeta]

Why has N´Dam ended up fighting Weis instead of Rigoberto Alvarez who was advertised by the transmitting channel?

[Brickhaus]

I see you are still with your "Grow some balls" and other jokes. Please keep that for the general forum. Only naive fans believe boxing negotiations have something to do with courage. N'Dam is 26, he is good, he has no belt and his promoter only works with the WBA : he has 0 reason to duck Golovkin... It's just a question of business here.

There are facts :
- Sturm didn't want to fight Golovkin : high risk/low reward
- WBA found a solution, Golovkin will fight for the normal title
- Golovkin's team won the right to organize Golovkin vs Mundine for 1 200 000$.
- Mundine is not interested.

Hence a new purse bid has to be organized for Golovkin vs "some deserving challenger" it's as simple as that. No matter the figures how did they decide the amount of the purses ? What is the repartition ?
Only a tomato can could agree to fight Golovkin for a few bucks under his conditions and that's exactly what happened. They found Nunez, a perfect no hoper. Even a hardcore Golovkin fan can't be satisfied with such a joke. And it's for a "world championship"... Poor sport and poor guys who will pay to see that...

You seem to be completely forgetting about the contract dispute between Sturm (and Golovkin for a while) and Universum, which was BY FAR the single biggest reason Sturm-Golovkin didn't happen.

[Escopeta]

Golovkin is still in dispute with Universum
they have a court date the next month
Sturm wanted no part of him neither when they were stablemates nor after that.

[Fitir]

Why has N´Dam ended up fighting Weis instead of Rigoberto Alvarez who was advertised by the transmitting channel? In the end Alvarez declined, instead he fought in Mexico. He can't be blamed, the purse was probably not very interesting anyway. Acaries was not ready to give €€€, after all it was a free show !

[ashley]

According to Netboxe team N'Dam obtained what they asked in the end.
Golovkin vs Nunez will only be for the "interim" WBA title, not for the regular title. The winner of this joke has to fight N'Dam under 3 months and this time it will be for the regular WBA title. Golovkin will not be considered as the WBA champion against N'Dam and of course it's different in terms of purses.


The purse for Mundine v Golovkin was 50% each....if Golovkin wins the interim title and it goes to purse bid again I wonder what the split will be v Hassen?

IMO more in Golovkins favor as he holds the interim belt 60/40?

I hope that wont stuff up the deal as 50% each for Golovkin v Hassen is fair.

[badlefthook84]

The purse for Mundine v Golovkin was 50% each....if Golovkin wins the interim title and it goes to purse bid again I wonder what the split will be v Hassen?

IMO more in Golovkins favor as he holds the interim belt 60/40?

I hope that wont stuff up the deal as 50% each for Golovkin v Hassen is fair.
I'd be surprised if Golovkin doesn't stop N'Jikam inside 8-9 round when they eventually meet. Golovkin just has a far superior boxing brain and one punch ko power also. N'Jikam has relied to much on his athletic ability against lesser opponents,martirosyan was made for him. He will need much more about him to beat golovkin.

[TommyV]

He is neither slick nor has he any tools to keep Gena off him.
No upper body movements no reflexes and his uncoordinated dancing

Be honest here, have you actually ever seen him fight?

[Escopeta]

I cant remember having seen him slipping a punch using refelexes, upper body movements when he fought a non slomo opponent. Hes even quite stiff and there to be hit for a technically sound skilled and strong boxer puncher like Golovkin is. thats what i was on about in that post.

[Nonameboy]

Good fighter.

[paddymickey]

Hassan V Pirog as Pirog's next challenge. Now that I'd like to see.

[Chillman]

The WBA has ordered him to fight Golovkin within 90 days. Very good fight, someone's O has got to go.

[IntentionalButt]

The WBA has ordered him to fight Golovkin within 90 days. Very good fight, someone's O has got to go.

Unfortunately that isn't happening, unless he fights twice in a fortnight.

His next scheduled date is October 30th in Paris with Avantil Khurtsidze, possible for a version of the WBA title.

Hopefully the next one after that will be an intra-organizational unification with Golovkin in early 2011.

[Escopeta]

so N´Dam won the WBA interim strap yesterday against Khurtsidze.
It was an exciting fight and both proved they r tough nuts. I´ll give N´Dam credit for. He couldnt deal with Khurtsidzes pressure too well though who cut him off and N´Dam often could not get away from the ropes or got cornered. Khurtsidze has quite a solid reach for a guy of his size and had the better handspeed until he paid tribute to his pace in the late rounds. He often countered N´Dam while moving forward and butted in N´Dams attemps to keep him off. I really underestimated that guy even though ive seen him twice before. For N´Dam it was a new experience to fight someone whos actually punching back, he was too much protected in the past but to his credit he didnt fell completely apart like other prospects often do in situations like this but also was a bit lucky that Khurtsidze may not be the hardest puncher in the sport. I think he can only grow from this more then from his 24 fights before together. As i´ve pointed out in that thread before his defense game was just overrated and his inside game is mess for guys who can brawl. His prima ballerina dancing or jumping from one foot to the other doesnt really help him much its only a waste of energy. If it comes to a rematch i think N´Dam will do better.
I only feel sad for Khurtsidze who i had up by two rounds. He made N´Dam to fight his fight and therefore edged several close rounds due to his ring generalship on my card. I dont think its really debatable that he actually won the fight even though N´Dam went away with a giftdecision.

[bodhi]

Hm, interesting. Do you think there is a chance for a rematch?

[Fitir]

I like what Khurtsidze did in the ring. True warrior, his pressure was effective and he dictated the pace of the fight. Hassan showed some class but it was clear for me that he was unable to keep the smaller opponent at bay. Hassan's defense is bad but since he is fast Khurtsidze was rarely able to fully connect even if he gave the best punches of the fight in most of the rounds. Hassan's plan was to dance and control with the jab to become the aggressor later in the fight. It partially worked but Khurtidze was never out of his match plan and he was a bit in trouble only once. The early cuts had an important role imo.
I scored the fight 116-113 for Khurtsidze but I am often biased cause I like pressure fighers. I had scored Mormeck-Oquendo for Mormeck, I scored Khurtsidze-N'Dam for Khurtsidze...
I have no problem against the 2 X 115-114 for Hassan but the 117-111 is ridiculous imo.
It's a good experience for Hassan who confirmed he is mentally OK and that he has a great potential but he has still much work to do.
I still think Golovkin will be favored to win but the lack of good opposition could also be a problem for him.

[Escopeta]

i dont know whether a rematch is realistic or not but i think Khurtsidze deserves it and N´Dam kinda deserves the opportunity to show that can grow from that experience and can do better too. Since it was a great fight a rematch should sell well. I dont know what else is there for him. N´Dam got the nood so he could move on to challenge Golovkin but his handlers backed out of that fight several times already and choose Khurtsidze as an easier opponent. Golovkin is a guy who can brawl and counterpunch on another level than Khurtsidze and has one punch ko power in both of his hands. Of course Golovkin had not to undergo big tests himself up to now and had no real fight since about forver but he is set to fight Tapia in December a wild punching guy whos not easy to deal with at least and if Golovkin makes his way as expected i dont really see N´Dams handlers pushing for that fight in near future for obvious reason.

[IntentionalButt]

Part of me wishes that Hassan had met Avtandil Khurtsidze one of the two previous times they were tentatively scheduled to meet (a year ago, in October 2009 or then in February of this year).

This was a huge learning experience for N'Dam N'Jikam and gave him an opportunity to overcome adversity and deal with intense sustained pressure for the first time. If it had come earlier, like 2-3 fights ago, he'd be that much closer already to stepping up to world class.

I doubt he would have gone on from a Khurtsidze fight to regress to the likes of Ermis and Weis. He's now "graduated" from the domestic/European borderline where he's been and is ready for stiffer challenges (as long as he's really learned something from this tough battle and goes back to the drawing board at the gym and watches video to pick up on his mistakes and the areas where the Georgian was successful against him).

It's not all doom and gloom. A lot of people seeing Hassan for the first time thought "Uh oh, he's not as good as advertised - there are defensive holes and questions about his chin". Those of us who've followed him for a while know that neither of those are new issues. He actually showed ability to grit it out when these issues were exploited. The defense can be strengthened, and his chin obviously isn't so bad that anybody's going to lay him flat with one punch. He just isn't Jake LaMotta and can't get too careless.

[Tommy O C]

To be honest im kind of surprised people think its a gift decision. I thought it was close but Ndam was a winner. I had it 116-113 which was the closest of anyone in the brit forum. I was impressed with the georgian, he shipped what looked like powerful punches and never stopped coming forward. One thing I noticed for the first time last night was Ndams habit of, when leaning on the ropes, cocking his chin up in the air. He puts his upper half outside the ring and leaves himself very exposed. As everyone pretty much knows, he needs better head movement when his hands are at his waist. His feet can only get him out of so much trouble. I just wonder if he gets stuck in corners like he did last night against an accurate puncher like Golovkin will he get out of there so easily

[Fitir]

Of course it's not a robbery and anyway after this war N'Dam didn't deserve to be booed as he was. But there was clearly a home advantage. It was after this strange 117-111 that people booed. If you consider the classic criteria of the judging system I don't see how it's possible to obtain 117-111 or even 116-113 for N'Dam (and I support French boxers...) .
Khurtsidze dominated most of the rounds in terms of pressure/aggression, punches and even defense. Of course many rounds were close, N'Dam was never in big trouble and he moves well. He's more brilliant and in terms of ring generalship he had the edge but is that really enough ? Who "won" the fight ?
50% of the work is done by the promoter and Acaries has still influence on the WBA. To beat Golovkin in France Hassan will only need to survive and to win at least 4 rounds out of 12. Currently it's not evident. Even Ouicher (the good N'Dam's trainer) admitted it was very difficult and he gave a few explanations/excuses about the performance (lack of quality sparring). He wants to change things completely to prepare for Golovkin but even if he found a channel Acaries has not the financial power to really build a career for N'Dam. French-speaking boxers with some talent should perhaps try to work more with promoters from Quebec who seem more powerful and more serious.

[Tommy O C]

Team Khurtsidze File a Protest: N’Jikam Loss, Anti-Doping
Posted by: Alexey Sukachev on 11-04-2010.



A recent contest for the vacant WBA interim middleweight belt (WBA super champion is German Felix Sturm, WBA regular titleholder is Kazakh Gennady Golovkin) turned out to be an instant classic and one of the worthiest (yet obscure at the same time) candidates for a Fight of the Year prize in 2010. Battling in front of a partisan home crowd at Palais des Sports Porte de Versailles in Paris, France, local Cameroonian Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam (25-0, 17 KOs) squeaked out with a controversial unanimous decision over rugged Georgian brawler Avtandil Khurtsidze (22-2-2, 13 KOs). Scores were 115-114 (Pierluigi Poppi and Erkki Meronen) and 117-111 (Mikael Hook) – all for N’Jikam – and were notably and severely booed even by pro-N’Jikam fans.

That wasn’t an end of controversy, however, as “Elite Boxing Promotions”, a Kiev-based boxing company, which handles the stocky (5’4’’) Georgian, filed a protest immediately after the fight.

Aside several tiny violations during the fight, Team Khurtsidze insists that the official drug test for banned substances was never carried out after the contest as per the rules of the World Boxing Association. A corresponding deed was formed and signed by the supervisor of the contest.

“Due to a highly controversial nature of the final decision and a missed drug test, which has never been performed, Team Khurtsidze will appeal to the WBA for a cancellation of the result and an immediate rematch between two respected contenders”, says the “Elite Boxing” memorandum.

Former Khurtsidze’s promoter Vadim Bukhkalov was also pissed off with the decision and subsequent events.

“An entire battle between two fascinating boxers was marvelous. Unfortunately, it has been marred with a dubious decision afterwards: simply put, Avtandil was robbed in this fight big time. This is another black eye to our beloved sport and this is also the reason why talks about a deep crisis in modern boxing will continue their flow. N’Jikam won five rounds at best. But five out of twelve isn’t a victory, that’s a loss. 117-111 as was rendered by one of the judges is a complete lack of any restraint. People kept coming afterwards praising our effort and saying “Avto” was the real winner. Fans’ reaction, when they booed the outcome, tells it all”.

“After the fight, a flagrant violation of the WBA rules had taken its place. We had been waiting for medics to perform drug tests for more than two hours. They never came. It looked like it had been preplanned well before”, continued Bukhkalov.

Comment: With or without the truth to the aforementioned claim of the drug-test violation, the final outcome of the contest alone can be a reason for an immediate rematch. Watching the fight afterwards, the first of your reporters saw it as 114-115 – for Khurtsidze. While a close nature of the contest was obvious for a majority of both local and worldwide fans, Khurtsidze on this reporter’s mind had done enough at least to escape a loss.

A rematch can be the best solution for yet another reason. A blood-filled, gutsy and grueling affair between two born fighters was a real blessing for fans in attendance and the TV audience. It was a classic competition between Tysonesque little brawler with immense physical power and sheer aggression in Khurtsidze and much bigger and presumably better technician in N’Jikam. Two-way action all the time and a standard formula “brawler vs boxer” produced one of the finest performances this year has yet to offer us. An “instant replay” could be the best way to deliver fans yet another major and thrilling action between two gifted and skilled boxers.

[MagicMan91]

To be honest im kind of surprised people think its a gift decision. I thought it was close but Ndam was a winner. I had it 116-113 which was the closest of anyone in the brit forum. I was impressed with the georgian, he shipped what looked like powerful punches and never stopped coming forward. One thing I noticed for the first time last night was Ndams habit of, when leaning on the ropes, cocking his chin up in the air. He puts his upper half outside the ring and leaves himself very exposed. As everyone pretty much knows, he needs better head movement when his hands are at his waist. His feet can only get him out of so much trouble. I just wonder if he gets stuck in corners like he did last night against an accurate puncher like Golovkin will he get out of there so easily

I feel the same. I was very surprised to hear the booing and to see the Georgian's team protesting about it.

[Escopeta]

N´Dam did not edge anything in terms of ring generalship. Khurtsidze was the boss in the ring his style overwhelmed N´Dams. N´Dam left most opportunities when he step out Khurtsidze was wide open but N´Dam just went away etc. Khurtsidze pressed the action and was more effective. N´Dam was badly inaccurate hit Khurtsidze´s shoulders nearly more than anything etc yeah many rounds were remotely close but a decision in favor of N´Dam aint justifiable. of course worse things have happend in boxing.
N´Dam didnt get booed. After the fight there were standing ovations for both men. But the crowd booed the decision and N´Dam was no judge. It was one of the best fights this year and it ended with a bs decision so thats quite sad. I hope Khurtsidze gets his rematch or at least a crack at some other belt anytime soon.

[IntentionalButt]

Just over 24 hours until the Giovanni Lorenzo invades France and tries to claim Hassan's piece of the WBA title for Dominica.

Does anybody know what the TV coverage situation is? Direct8 again? Start time?

Merci. :good

[Havik]

Does anybody know what the TV coverage situation is? Direct8 again? Start time?

Merci. :good

Direct 8 again, 22h45 CET start time, ends at midnight so I guess they're only showing the N'Jikam fight .

[yal]

Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam vs Giovanni Lorenzo
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[ImElvis666]

Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam vs Giovanni Lorenzo
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Excellent. Thanks a lot bud. :thumbsup

[sportofkings]

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[sportofkings]

How did the fight go, i didnt see it yet?

[IntentionalButt]

How did the fight go, i didnt see it yet?

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[sportofkings]

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[ImElvis666]

So I'm just after getting round to watching N'Jikam v Lorenzo. Decent enough fight, nothing to write home about.

10-9 N'Jikam (barely scraped it)
10-9 N'Jikam (fairly dominant)
10-9 N'Jikam (fairly dominant, nice body shots)
10-9 N'Jikam (not landing any major punches but much busier)
10-8 Lorenzo (N'Jikam badly hurt, in survival mode for much of the round)
10-10 (even round, could go either way)
10-9 Lorenzo (little landed by either, N'Jikam on his bike)
10-9 N'Jikam (laying a beat down on him in the last minute)
10-9 N'Jikam (landing the cleaner shots)
10-9 N'Jikam (another close round)
10-9 N'Jikam (N'Jikam dominates)
10-9 N'Jikam (N'Jikam on his bike but lands enough counters to take the round)

After watching this fight it has solidified my believe that N'Jikam will be knocked out by a top pressure fighter like Lemieux or Golovkin. He tends to lean into his shots too much and his does not have the physical traits or the ability to fight on the inside with great effect. He neglects his jab and favours leaning in and throwing a left hook. It would benefit his game greatly if he fought more upright and jabbed more often, it would really improve his ring generalship.

Having said that, he showed some of his class in the fight also, his 1-2 combos are sick, and his right hand is very dangerous.

I think his style would match up well with the defensive minded counter puncher Pirog and I give him every chance against Sturm, who likes to fight at range. These styles suit N'Jikam, big hitting pressure fighters who time their big shots spell trouble for N'Jikam though because he showed in this fight he can be hurt.

I look forward to him facing either Golovkin or Sturm.

[Armo_Ruski]

im still gonna continue to say sturm ko's this cat! :good:deal:thumbsup

[IntentionalButt]

Any news?

I've read some rumors surfacing recently that after the defense against Lajuan Simon on October 15th, Gennady Golovkin will actually come to Paris to deliver the MW dream match. Supposedly it will still be in 2011. That would mean Golovkin will meet N'Dam N'Jikam within ten weeks of his last bout.

On the other end of the spectrum, N'Dam N'Jikam has been inactive since April. If the rumors are false, and nothing else comes up - he could wind up having fought just once all year. That would be very disappointing.

[Zacker]

Those rumours are old I believe. Golovkin wants to box in new york in december the last I heard

[Carl dilks]

Any news when ndam is next out?

[IntentionalButt]

So, after beating Lorenzo he actually left his good-for-nothing promoter. That's the good news, kind of. As a "free agent" it then took him eight months to get something scheduled (Kassim Ouma on February 24th in Equatorial Guinea, an African nation adjacent to his native Cameroon...I'm not sure if they've ever even held a boxing event before). The plan is now to appear in the ring four times in 18 months to make up for that inactivity. :shock:

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[IntentionalButt]

On the other end of the spectrum, N'Dam N'Jikam has been inactive since April. If the rumors are false, and nothing else comes up - he could wind up having fought just once all year. That would be very disappointing.

:pc

[ImElvis666]

So, after beating Lorenzo he actually left his good-for-nothing promoter. That's the good news, kind of. As a "free agent" it then took him eight months to get something scheduled (Kassim Ouma on February 24th in Equatorial Guinea, an African nation adjacent to his native Cameroon...I'm not sure if they've ever even held a boxing event before). The plan is now to appear in the ring four times in 18 months to make up for that inactivity. :shock:

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Doesn't sound like he has any intention of fighting Golovkin, which is a real shame. Will be nice to see him active, I have reservations of the quality of opponents though.

These middleweights are pretty disgraceful. Shit loads of quality fighters yet they are all happy to play it safe and avoid each other until a big pay day comes along.

[IntentionalButt]

Doesn't sound like he has any intention of fighting Golovkin, which is a real shame. Will be nice to see him active, I have reservations of the quality of opponents though.

These middleweights are pretty disgraceful. Shit loads of quality fighters yet they are all happy to play it safe and avoid each other until a big pay day comes along.

Well, I still wouldn't scoff at Ouma as an opponent. He did give Golovkin hell. If the quality tails off after that then yeah, the spurt in activity will be hardly better than the shelf-warming.

[ImElvis666]

Well, I still wouldn't scoff at Ouma as an opponent. He did give Golovkin hell. If the quality tails off after that then yeah, the spurt in activity will be hardly better than the shelf-warming.

Ouma will give any middleweight trouble. He has been in with a shit load of quality boxers and has won or given them all a hard nights work. But at the end of the day, he almost always falls short. It wasn't specifically directed towards N'Jikam but the group of middleweight contenders.

N"Jikam - Lorenzo
Pirog - Maciel/Martirosyan
Barker - Spada
Macklin - Varon
Chavez Jr - Zbik/Manfredo
Lee - Bunema/Vera
Golovkin - Ouma/Simon

I could go on.

These guys have been on each others radar for a long time now and look at some of their recent opponents. It's not like they are prospects, they are fully fledged mature contenders. We should have seen fights between some of them by now. But such is the nature of the game, these fights will probably not happen.

[Joe_MacKenzie]

Ouma will give any middleweight trouble. He has been in with a shit load of quality boxers and has won or given them all a hard nights work. But at the end of the day, he almost always falls short. It wasn't specifically directed towards N'Jikam but the group of middleweight contenders.

N"Jikam - Lorenzo
Pirog - Maciel/Martirosyan
Barker - Spada
Macklin - Varon
Chavez Jr - Zbik/Manfredo
Lee - Bunema/Vera
Golovkin - Ouma/Simon

I could go on.

These guys have been on each others radar for a long time now and look at some of their recent opponents. It's not like they are prospects, they are fully fledged mature contenders. We should have seen fights between some of them by now. But such is the nature of the game, these fights will probably not happen.


They need to step it up this year and fight each other.

If he's a free agent now, there's nothing stopping N'Jikam from fighting Golovkin on the March 3 Klitschko-Mormeck card.

The Klitschkos are trying to persuade the WBA to force Sturm to fight Golovkin, but no way will Sturm fight a top middleweight and lose his belt. So as an alternative to a Sturm fight, Golovkin will next appear on the Klitschko-Mormeck card against TBA.

N'Jikam would be the logical opponent for Gennady if he's willing. He's also French like Mormeck, and the card is in a part of Germany not far from the border with France.

[Nosbor]

Ouma will give any middleweight trouble. He has been in with a shit load of quality boxers and has won or given them all a hard nights work. But at the end of the day, he almost always falls short. It wasn't specifically directed towards N'Jikam but the group of middleweight contenders.

N"Jikam - Lorenzo
Pirog - Maciel/Martirosyan
Barker - Spada
Macklin - Varon
Chavez Jr - Zbik/Manfredo
Lee - Bunema/Vera
Golovkin - Ouma/Simon

I could go on.

These guys have been on each others radar for a long time now and look at some of their recent opponents. It's not like they are prospects, they are fully fledged mature contenders. We should have seen fights between some of them by now. But such is the nature of the game, these fights will probably not happen.

Holy shit! This post really puts things in perspective. Nice work...

[Nosbor]

On a side note Ouma hardly gave Golovkin Hell. It was basically even through six but Golovkin really put the pressure on him the last few rounds, leading up to the stoppage. Ouma wound up in the hospital for a while if I recall.

Ouma sounds like the right type of opponent(safe) for N'Jikam.

[IntentionalButt]

On a side note Ouma hardly gave Golovkin Hell. It was basically even through six but Golovkin really put the pressure on him the last few rounds, leading up to the stoppage. Ouma wound up in the hospital for a while if I recall.

Ouma sounds like the right type of opponent(safe) for N'Jikam.

:lol:

Golovkin vs. Ouma was WAY too close for comfort for GGG fans until those last couple of rounds. :deal

[Nosbor]

:lol:

Golovkin vs. Ouma was WAY too close for comfort for GGG fans until those last couple of rounds. :deal

I remember your RBR for that one. You score fights well and I usually am in lock step with you for the most part but that was an odd one. I believe you had it 6-3 Ouma at the stoppage but some other posters (Stenalized) had it 6-3 for Golovkin, which was more in line with my scoring.

Regardless; Ouma did present some issues for Golovkin. I just thought that giving him Hell was a bit overboard.

[Eastcoast]

I remember your RBR for that one. You score fights well and I usually am in lock step with you for the most part but that was an odd one. I believe you had it 6-3 Ouma at the stoppage but some other posters (Stenalized) had it 6-3 for Golovkin, which was more in line with my scoring.

Regardless; Ouma did present some issues for Golovkin. I just thought that giving him Hell was a bit overboard.

I agree that Ouma didn't exactly give Golovkin 'Hell'. He outworked Golovkin early, but Gena fought Ouma in a way I haven't really seen many guys fight him successfully. He walked Ouma down rather than fight off the back foot. If I recall, as Golovkin was walking to the ring there was some kind of issue which resulted in a lengthy delay (I think Ouma may have already been in the ring warming up?), that may have played a role in Golovkin's cold start?

N'Jikam should beat any recent version of Ouma easily with his style, but I'm not too impressed with N'Jikam's fights with Khurtsidze and Lorenzo and doubt we'll see N'Jikam-Golovkin any time soon. I'd like to see N'Jikam relocate to Montreal, I think he could become a bigger name.

[IntentionalButt]

Surely you'll both agree at least that it was Gennady's hardest-earned professional victory?

[Zacker]

The Ouma fight was very hard, I would agree. On the other hand I don't remember anyone looking particularly good against Ouma.
Golovkins match against Ian Gardner was pretty difficult, too, IIRC. But of course not nearly as "hard-earned".

[IntentionalButt]

Of course, when the Superfight finally happens Ouma will be relegated to Golovkin's second hardest victory :D (and that's assuming he beats HNN, which is no sure thing despite him most likely and correctly being a prohibitive favorite)

[Zacker]

So, after beating Lorenzo he actually left his good-for-nothing promoter. That's the good news, kind of. As a "free agent" it then took him eight months to get something scheduled (Kassim Ouma on February 24th in Equatorial Guinea, an African nation adjacent to his native Cameroon...I'm not sure if they've ever even held a boxing event before). The plan is now to appear in the ring four times in 18 months to make up for that inactivity. :shock:

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Just read that N'jikam signed an 18 months, four fight deal with the very same promoter.

Related: Interweb claims Golovkin and Hassan are talking about fighting again. April it said. I think we'll get Maweather - Paquiao first, though.

[Zacker]

Just read that N'jikam signed an 18 months, four fight deal with the very same promoter.

Related: Interweb claims Golovkin and Hassan are talking about fighting again. April it said. I think we'll get Maweather - Paquiao first, though.

And his new old promoter keeps up the good work. N'Jikam has vacated his interim title.

[Nonito Smoak]

N'Jikam withdrew from the purse bid with Golovkin today, I believe it was. On the place that has news on fights.

I just came in to pay respects to N'Jikam. A solid top 10 middleweight. I'd like to see him vs. Martin Murray or Proksa.