Name some fighters who had/have ATG skill and potential, but never reached ATG status

[RAMPAGE0017]

See title.

[Stinky gloves]

Mike Tyson.

Tyson is ATG you moron. It gotta be Lewis ...

[sean]

loads of fighters with great abilty who were world champs but poor chins let them down from becoming atg.

mark breland / junior jones /charlie magri etc etc.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Tyson is ATG you moron. It gotta be Lewis ...


:huh

How can Tyson be an ATG and not Lewis?

[Stinky gloves]

:huh

How can Tyson be an ATG and not Lewis?

How can be Lewis and not a Tyson?

[RAMPAGE0017]

How can be Lewis and not a Tyson?


I don't think Tyson isn't an ATG, I'm just sayin.... I don't see how Lewis can't be considered an ATG.

[rendog67]

Tyson and Lewis dominated and unified the heavyweight division during their careers and i think that will be enough to grant them both ATG status in years to come.

[codeman99998]

I am HUGE Tyson detractor because I say that there are quite a few heavyweights that could have beaten a prime Tyson.

Nevertheless, youngest HW champ ever, completely and totally dominate throughout his whole career until he lost to Buster. Tyson is an ATG.

So is Lewis.

Vitali COULD have been an all time great but apparently it was not meant to be. Riddick Bowe could have been an all time great, possibly, but he had too many doughnuts.

[Stinky gloves]

Is Toney ATG?

[rendog67]

Is Toney ATG?

i would like to say yes but no he wouldn't he will be in the tier just below with a lot of other big names who would just miss the cut

[codeman99998]

I almost said Toney too, I really don't know if he is ATG.

[kg0208]

Donald Curry, Meldrick Taylor, Camacho, to name a few.

[codeman99998]

Carlos Maussa...

J/K! HE WILL BECOME AN ATG!

[hellblazer]

Zab Judah

[brooklyn1550]

Donald Curry
Tony Ayala, Jr.
Riddick Bowe

[Rakim]

How are your split ends?

[KayEpps]

Prince Naseem - he's the first guy to comes to mind.

[JCN]

Mads Larsen!!

Maybe not alltime great but a pretty good champ. His injuries and ego got in the way of a very promising career.

[halfamazin1]

James Toney

[faisal]

naz

[psychopath]

How about Vargas? :think

[JediPimp007]

as said previously, Prince Naseem Hamed is the obvious choice as if he'd been more professional he'd have been the best ever at his weight imo.

[Boro chris]

Naz
John Conteh maybe? Debateable that one I supose.:think
Barry Mcguigan-Unlike many on here I'd of given a 50-50 chance against Azumah if he'd stepped up to the plate. However he didn't so thats that.

Laszlo Pap (spelling?) Not really his fault however.
Possibly Calzaghe if Kessler duffs him up.

[jaycuban]

Disobely Hurtado... had whittaker beating until he got sloopy, I wouldnt say all time great, but if he had the hunger like other fighters out there, he would have been great, i dont think all time great.

[Boro chris]

Ken Buchannon who had the misfortune to run into run into Duran,Guts and Laguna twice.Kinda puts Calzaghe's reign into perspective.

I'm aware of my Euro bias so I give you Howard Davis.

[bladerunner]

Donald Curry
Stevie Johnston
Mark Johnson
Meldrick Taylor
Johny Tapia

[McGrain]

Prince Naseem Hamed
Joe Calzaghe (though there's time yet)
Jack Chase

[Stinky gloves]

How about Vargas? :think
He is on the cut of HOF, ATG is beyond his reach.

Is Oscar ATG?

[Thinman]

Esteban DeJesus.

[Boro chris]

He is on the cut of HOF, ATG is beyond his reach.

Is Oscar ATG?

Double post. Kinda.

[Fab2333]

Carlito's bff Antonio Margarito :nut :rofl :lol: :yep :hey

[Boro chris]

He is on the cut of HOF, ATG is beyond his reach.

Is Oscar ATG?

Yes if you believe he was ripped off by Trinidad and then Moseley in the 2nd fight. Funny thing is his contraversial victories over Sturm and Whitaker count against him in many peoples eyes.

[Asterion]

Meldrick Taylor.

[JETSKI]

The guy standing had the skills to be an ATG...

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But turned out to be one can short of a 6-pack.

He may still win a HW Title, but that will not bring him ATG status.

[Stinky gloves]

The guy standing had the skills to be an ATG...

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But turned out to be one can short of a 6-pack.

He may still win a HW Title, but that will not bring him ATG status.

Be serious, when Golota wins the title he will automatically knock to ATG doors.

[Brickhaus]

In the last decade or so - Riddick Bowe, Ike Ibeabuchi, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Wlad (had he only learned his limitations sooner in his career), Tiger Michalczewski

IMO, Calzaghe's too brittle to have ever become an ATG, even if he had fought all comers. At some point, he would have gotten hurt in a few fights which would have kept him one tier below.

I can't claim to be enough of a historian to go back much further than that.

[lefthook31]

Riddick Bowe
James Douglas
Ike Ibeabuchi

[sues2nd]

Donald Curry, Meldrick Taylor, Camacho, to name a few.

Totally agree with the first two, tho I believe Camacho accomplished too much to be lumped into a discussion like this.

If we are talking pure skill tho....ya cant make a list like this without adding in Zab Judah.

[sues2nd]

Riddick Bowe
James Douglas
Ike Ibeabuchi

The other two yes...Bowe, I consider ATG. Unified, dominant, good-great resume (ignore the "comeback" please)...tho he could have accomplished more, so I guess I have no point...LOL!

[PR Boxing Lore]

Donald Curry, Meldrick Taylor, Camacho, to name a few.
The first two yeah, Camacho:think

[kg0208]

The first two yeah, Camacho:think

Camacho isn't going to be considered an ATG by most. He accomplished alot, but I have never seen him grace anyone's ATG list. Perhaps he is looked over.

He certainly had ATG talent, especially in his natural weight class of 130.

[ripcity]

Mark Brelend and Donald Cury

[Boro chris]

The other two yes...Bowe, I consider ATG. Unified, dominant, good-great resume (ignore the "comeback" please)...tho he could have accomplished more, so I guess I have no point...LOL!

Riddick Bowe an atg? Really? What did he do to allow you to come to that conclusion?

[sues2nd]

Riddick Bowe an atg? Really? What did he do to allow you to come to that conclusion?

Undisputed Champion.
Only loss coming against an ATG in Holyfield.
Very, Very good resume.
Head to head how many would you favor over him?
Defense, Chin, Power, Inside fighting, etc...the man more skilled then most.
I have him top 20/25 HW all time.

Again, as I said, if he didnt go a little nuts, he wouldve accomplished FAR more....so I guess he does belong up here...but he is a borderline ATG at HW at least.

[TIGEREDGE]

naz

always though that naz would fall short of greatness. very good at best. Naz was a ATG to watch. PROVIDED SOME GREAT ENTERTAINMENT

Here are some that had the look of greatness to me but never fulfilled it:

Ike ibeabuchi
Junior Jones
Vargas
David reid
Riddick Bowe

[TIGEREDGE]

In the last decade or so - Riddick Bowe, Ike Ibeabuchi, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Wlad (had he only learned his limitations sooner in his career), Tiger Michalczewski

IMO, Calzaghe's too brittle to have ever become an ATG, even if he had fought all comers. At some point, he would have gotten hurt in a few fights which would have kept him one tier below.

I can't claim to be enough of a historian to go back much further than that.

Johnny Tapia ACHIEVED greatness at the end of his careers. we never saw his prime though because of his problems

[Thread Stealer]

Hector Camacho Sr

[TIGEREDGE]

Ken Buchannon who had the misfortune to run into run into Duran,Guts and Laguna twice.Kinda puts Calzaghe's reign into perspective.

I'm aware of my Euro bias so I give you Howard Davis.

i think ken achieved ATG status in his time. his win over laguna in the terrific heat was the stuff of greatness. How many boxers have been able to perform so great in that heat. also we are taliking about the days of 15 round bouts

barry mcguigan had ATG potential

[TIGEREDGE]

Mark Brelend and Donald Cury

You could argue that curry achieved greatnes in his 4 years as welter champ and short light middle title stint

I heard that Thomas Hearns couldn't put a hand on breland when they sparred before the hitmans demo of DURAN. Mark was more interested in films than boxingf

[David B]

Quartey
Junior Jones
Tommy Morrison

[Mike T]

Donald Curry
Mark Breland
Meldrick Taylor
Gerald McClellan

[KhanB]

I disagree with some saying Judah couldve been an ATG. This title of ATG shouldnt be used lightly. Judah would be lucky to be a HOF so ATG is out of his grasp IMO. I agree that NAZ is a HOF but not at ATG. Same with Bowe and D L Hoya IMHO.

[TIGEREDGE]

Donald curry did beat some very good fighters in starling and mccrory

[Thread Stealer]

Donald Curry was a hell of a fighter during a 3-4 year period, but we're talking about ATG status.

He's no ATG although he had great skills and abilities.

[TIGEREDGE]

Donald Curry was a hell of a fighter during a 3-4 year period, but we're talking about ATG status.

He's no ATG although he had great skills and abilities.

not an ATG by the highest standards but a great HOF definitly

[DoumB]

Ike quartey had a lot of talent, camacho sr too, hamed, bowe, Vitaly if didnt had such a fragile body coulda

[sues2nd]

I disagree with some saying Judah couldve been an ATG. This title of ATG shouldnt be used lightly. Judah would be lucky to be a HOF so ATG is out of his grasp IMO. I agree that NAZ is a HOF but not at ATG. Same with Bowe and D L Hoya IMHO.

WHOA.....I am no Zab fan, but lets be serious. I have been watching boxing for 20+ years now and I can honestly tell you, I can count the number of people that I saw that were better from a pure talent/skill standpoint on one hand (and all except maybe RJJ would be arguable...).

Speed was amazing. Power was amazing. Fundamentals were amazing. He looked to have it all....until we found out he didnt have neither the chin nor the mental makeup to become what his godgiven talent could have made him.

Trust me, just going by the question posed by the original poster....Zab Judah is the clear cut, perfect answer to this.

[Fab2333]

WHOA.....I am no Zab fan, but lets be serious. I have been watching boxing for 20+ years now and I can honestly tell you, I can count the number of people that I saw that were better from a pure talent/skill standpoint on one hand (and all except maybe RJJ would be arguable...).

Speed was amazing. Power was amazing. Fundamentals were amazing. He looked to have it all....until we found out he didnt have neither the chin nor the mental makeup to become what his godgiven talent could have made him.

Trust me, just going by the question posed by the original poster....Zab Judah is the clear cut, perfect answer to this.:deal

[samson_323]

Jm Marquez Hasnt Been Mentioned

[sues2nd]

Jm Marquez Hasnt Been Mentioned

Well JMM has, in my opinion, maxed out his potential. He isnt that fast and he doesnt have much in the way of power, but his timing and fundamentals are off the charts.

[o_money]

Meldric Taylor......reason = chavez

[o_money]

The guy standing had the skills to be an ATG...

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But turned out to be one can short of a 6-pack.

He may still win a HW Title, but that will not bring him ATG status.

i disagree golata never had the skills to be an ATG.

[Toopretty]

Golota is one eastern euro that had more then the 1,2 robot style..the crazy ass had skills.

[Danny Ocean]

i think livinstone bramble could have been

[Toopretty]

Zab. Has all the physical gifts but his brain is like a go cart in a nascar race.

[Minotauro]

Meldrick Taylor
Hector Camacho
Aaron Pryor some may regard him as an all time great but I don't reallly think he is and he could have achieved a lot more.

[KhanB]

WHOA.....I am no Zab fan, but lets be serious. I have been watching boxing for 20+ years now and I can honestly tell you, I can count the number of people that I saw that were better from a pure talent/skill standpoint on one hand (and all except maybe RJJ would be arguable...).

Speed was amazing. Power was amazing. Fundamentals were amazing. He looked to have it all....until we found out he didnt have neither the chin nor the mental makeup to become what his godgiven talent could have made him.

Trust me, just going by the question posed by the original poster....Zab Judah is the clear cut, perfect answer to this.

Damn, i shouldve replied to this earlier. Lets gets this right. In your opinon Judah is already a HOF and came short of being an ATG bcuz he was super talented. More like wasted talent. WTF did Judah do to be a HOF? HOF comes first before ATG. Tyson did more with his talent before he got distracted.

[sues2nd]

Damn, i shouldve replied to this earlier. Lets gets this right. In your opinon Judah is already a HOF and came short of being an ATG bcuz he was super talented. More like wasted talent. WTF did Judah do to be a HOF? HOF comes first before ATG. Tyson did more with his talent before he got distracted.

WHO IN THE HELL SAID ANNNNNNYTHING ABOUT ZAB BEING IN THE HOF?

The original question was and I quote...

Name some fighters who had/have ATG skill and potential, but never reached ATG status

Said nothing about HOFers who were never ATGs.

Zab is more skilled than 99% of the fighters I have seen in my lifetime. AND, AS I SAID, skill and talent wise he had it all, but chin and mental makeup he did not.

When did HOF ever enter into anything I said???

[KhanB]

My bad then. I assumed for a fighter to even be considered ATG they had to at least be a certified HOFer or future HOFer like Hopkins, Barrera, DLH etc.

[sues2nd]

My bad then. I assumed for a fighter to even be considered ATG they had to at least be a certified HOFer or future HOFer like Hopkins, Barrera, DLH etc.

Well of course....I think we all agree there.

But if we are looking at pure skill and potential, can you really think of 5 other fighters that were MORE skilled and accomplished less than Zab.

I mean, Im not a fan of his....but his natural ability is tremendous...off the charts.

[KhanB]

Well of course....I think we all agree there.

But if we are looking at pure skill and potential, can you really think of 5 other fighters that were MORE skilled and accomplished less than Zab.

I mean, Im not a fan of his....but his natural ability is tremendous...off the charts.

Let me try. Jones, Toney, Mayweather, Whitaker, Naz, Camacho Sr, Taylor. Its arguable that Judah has more talent than these guys but they all acomplished more than him IMO.

[Thread Stealer]

Meldrick Taylor
Hector Camacho
Aaron Pryor some may regard him as an all time great but I don't reallly think he is and he could have achieved a lot more.

I agree with these choices.

Pryor is one of the top 140 lb. fighters ever, but he does tend to often get overrated.

[Guru_Too_You]

I agree with these choices.

Pryor is one of the top 140 lb. fighters ever, but he does tend to often get overrated.

Definitely good choices. I'd like to add Ibeabuchi to the mix. Micheal Nunn may or may not be an all-time great in the eyes of the sports followers, but he definitely had all the goods. McCallum was also another fighter of pretty much the same era that is often shafted on the all time great scale.

[Thread Stealer]

Definitely good choices. I'd like to add Ibeabuchi to the mix. Micheal Nunn may or may not be an all-time great in the eyes of the sports followers, but he definitely had all the goods. McCallum was also another fighter of pretty much the same era that is often shafted on the all time great scale.

I forgot about Nunn.

Another waste of talent.

I actually think at his peak at MW, he'd give most MWs in history tough fights. His height, southpaw style, speed, awkwardness, unpredictably would give a lot of guys fits.

When people talk about impressive KOs, I think Nunn's KO over Kalambay was extremely impressive. One punch KO over a very good and durable fighter.

[Fedor Em]

Ike Ikebuchi
Elmer Ray
Meldrick Taylor
Hector Camacho
Naseem Hamed

[Toopretty]

Let me try. Jones, Toney, Mayweather, Whitaker, Naz, Camacho Sr, Taylor. Its arguable that Judah has more talent than these guys but they all acomplished more than him IMO.

I just had a movement looking at your avatar...damn...like Paris Hilton or pissy Kim K would say.."thats hot" I love girl on girl when they both look like girls..:good

[sues2nd]

I just had a movement looking at your avatar...damn...like Paris Hilton or pissy Kim K would say.."thats hot" I love girl on girl when they both look like girls..:good

I LOVE LESBIANS!!!

BYYYYAAAAAHHHH!!!!

I WATCH THE L WORD ON SHOWTIME!!!!

BYYYYYYAHHHHHH!!!!

:good

[Andre]

Floyd Mayweather


:lol: :lol: :lol:


Anyways, Vargas and Hamed were first to come to mind.

[Toopretty]

I LOVE LESBIANS!!!

BYYYYAAAAAHHHH!!!!

I WATCH THE L WORD ON SHOWTIME!!!!

BYYYYYYAHHHHHH!!!!

:good

Not all Lesbians..I can do without the Doms.. a world full of Fems..is a world I want to live in. Dont mind me..Ill just watch..If I was the last man on earth and a bunch of hot lesbians I would be happy. They would need me to reproduce so they cant just toss me. They may treat me like a machine I dont give a shit. I will demand 4 at time as a standard. Having a Manage with two str8 girls is wack...two BI girls....:deal:blurp:admin

[C Money]

Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan(though the tragedy wasnt his fault).

[Titan1]

Super Greg Page
Howard Davis Jr.
Dwight Davidson
Donald Curry
Bernard Taylor
Alex Ramos.

[standing 8]

Danny Romero

[Outboxer]

Naseem Hamed is most likely the best example possible, here.

Hector Camacho should be mentioned, too.

[Asterion]

Meldrick Taylor

[Stickandmove]

Herol Graham
Michael Nunn
Riddick Bowe

[Boro chris]

Kirkland Laing. Anyone ever seen this guy fight?
1981 he outpoints a distracted but still dangerous Roberto Duran. Now he's an alchoholic in London.