Vitally Klitschko vs David Tua [Archive]

ChrisPontius

10-09-2009, 04:42 PM

I think Klitschko would outbox Tua just like the lesser skilled and smaller Rahman and Maskaev did for many rounds .. however, unlike those, Vitali has an iron chin to see him through the moments that Tua does land his bombs. Also, landing the left hook is very hard for a 5'10 fighter against a 6'7 boxer who epitomizes "fighting tall". Just look how much trouble he had reaching Lennox Lewis, who is two inches shorter.

TheGreatA

10-09-2009, 04:44 PM

Vitali wins a decision.

PetethePrince

10-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Vitali probably decisions Tua, but Tua has a shot. He is a much better version of Arreola. More power, arguably a better chin, and some defense/head-movement. His combo punching isn't as good but his left hook and right hand are vicious. His foot-speed and pressure in his pace is tenfolds better than Arreola which was exactly WHY he really stood such a little chance against Vitali. I'm going to say it's a 70/30 fight for Vitali. But this would expose Vitali a lot more. This whole "barely losing rounds" and the fact that he fares far worse than Lewis did is going to expose himself as flawed, beatable, and make him seem a lot less great.

KTFO

10-09-2009, 05:11 PM

No matter what. Hard time for Louis. :yep

OBCboxer

10-09-2009, 08:12 PM

I am going to agree with Pete on this one. Vitali will outbox to win a comfortable decision but Tua will cause some problems for Vitali. Vitali doesn't like fighters that pressure him and Tua provides some heavy pressure.

fists of fury

10-09-2009, 08:25 PM

Can't really see Tua doing a whole lot here...he never did much to Lewis, and Vitali's dimensions and mobility would give him the same problems. Tua wasn't the hardest guy to outbox.
Tua's pretty much one-dimensional and once that dimension isn't working, his limitations become cruely exposed.

It'll become (once again) a case of Vitali dominating with the jab, and throwing the right occasionally to spice things up. Tua will offer very little resistance after a few rounds, and basically just go through the motions.

Vitali by easy decision.

Fighting Weight

10-09-2009, 08:52 PM

VITLAY doesn't have the power to discourage Tua like Lewis did though....I see this as a close one like Tua V Ike (who I would bet my life would beat VITLAY by the way)

Close VITLAY decision but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Tua shattered the Klitschko glass.

Polymath

10-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Bummy Davis

10-09-2009, 09:35 PM

:huh Vitali doesnt fight tall at all, he has the widest stance and gives up a lot of his height.

Vitali fight very tall, his legs are alway moving for angles but his upper torso is stiff for a guy 6"8 it would be hard for Tua to land solid and Vitali has a solid chin...Tua could give up on his stool or TKO'd or RSC but I think Vitali would be content out boxing David, using the jab and test David with his right hands and hook uppercuts for the UD....David may get hit with more than he has in the past

Polymath

10-09-2009, 09:37 PM

Vitali fight very tall, his legs are alway moving for angles

No they aren't, he's quite static. The last fight was the one hes moved most in.

Seamus

10-09-2009, 09:39 PM

Close VITLAY decision but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Tua shattered the Klitschko glass.

The guy has one of the best chin's in the division over the last couple decades. Where's the "glass" come in here?

rm36

10-09-2009, 09:47 PM

Vitali decisions Tua in a boring fight.

zadfrak

10-10-2009, 04:17 AM

No they aren't, he's quite static. The last fight was the one hes moved most in.

He uses angles in his other fights. Always. It might be at 11 or 1 o'clock or noon, but the guy uses angles and can punch while moving his feet. Depends on the opponent.

The guy with the piss poor footwork is Tua. He's got steinway piano legs as far as mobility and cutting off a ring goes. 1 or 2 steps and stop. Completely stop. He'd be 2 or 3 feet from Klitschko & he doesn't have the balance to throw a punch while moving his feet.

Melbourneborn

10-10-2009, 04:19 AM

VK will be regarded in boxing history as a far better fighter than Tua.

But this is closer than history would have you believe - purely because of Tua's characteristics. Tua was always good for 12 hard rounds, could punch like few can and has a chin like few do. VK won't stop him. But, VK has a warrior mentality and a good solid chin. VK by comfortable decision (10:2) with a few scary moments early.

If it goes beyond 4 and VK gets in a groove, he wins every time. If VK looses, he looses inside 4.

ChrisPontius

10-10-2009, 05:42 AM

:huh Vitali doesnt fight tall at all, he has the widest stance and gives up a lot of his height.

He has a wide stance every now and then, but always keeps distance between himself and his opponent, and move accordingly. For instance, against Peter he could move relatively slow because Peter is slow, so the gap stayed there and he was hitting him all night without much return fire. Arreola pressed harder, so he had to move backwards faster and make more use of angles, but he always kept his range and finished combo's with a left hand while stepping out.

punchy

10-10-2009, 06:42 AM

With a puncher like Tua anything can happen but Vitali would win four out of five I think.

Mendoza

10-10-2009, 08:39 AM

Polymath

10-10-2009, 08:45 AM

He has a wide stance every now and then, but always keeps distance between himself and his opponent, and move accordingly. For instance, against Peter he could move relatively slow because Peter is slow, so the gap stayed there and he was hitting him all night without much return fire. Arreola pressed harder, so he had to move backwards faster and make more use of angles, but he always kept his range and finished combo's with a left hand while stepping out.

None of that has anything to do with fighting tall.

ChrisPontius

10-10-2009, 09:28 AM

None of that has anything to do with fighting tall.

Ok.

Vitali doesn't fight tall, he constantly gives up his height by slugging with his opponent and not giving the opponent a reach gap to overcome at all.

Muchmoore

10-10-2009, 10:07 AM

None of that has anything to do with fighting tall.

There's different ways to fight tall. You don't have to be constantly completely standing upright and on the outside to be fighting tall.

Vitali leaning backward which results in the shorter fighters shots wizzing by his face is fighting tall. Just a different way than usual.

JohnThomas1

10-10-2009, 10:11 AM

None of that has anything to do with fighting tall.

Forget his legs, what about his upper body? Would you say he fights out of a crouch, constantly bobbing and weaving and staying low like Joe Frazier?

;)

PowerPuncher

10-10-2009, 10:43 AM

I'd give the Tua that faced Ibeaubuchi the chance of the KO. Vitali's defense consists of leaning back with his hands down and going back in straight lines, which is fine against a fighter that cant bob and weave and throw follow up punches but against Tua who'll chase his man down will see him getting tagged going backwards, ala Frazier-Ali. People will say Vitali's chin is proven, but against a prime Tua's hook and fast combinations he'd still go down especially if he was leaning back while take shots. Lennox's high guard is just better suited to take on a hooker like Tua

I ofcourse can see Vitali winning a wide decision or even winning a decision after having getting off the floor

PetethePrince

10-10-2009, 01:02 PM

Vitali wins this one easy. The question is, does Tua have the will to make it a fight throughout the distance, or will he opt of pressing the actions as he did vs. Lewis?

In fact I think Tua would have a better chance vs. Lewis. The toughest matches for Tua are big boxers who can hit hard, move, have stamina, and have a good chin.

For those who care Tua looked pretty good in his last outing. I'd like to see him fight a top ten guy and if he wins get a title shot before he calls it a career.

Crazy how you actually think Tua would have a better chance vs Lewis. Lewis has movement too, pretty fine stamina and hits harder. More importantly, he's superior technically and has superior defense, and is a much more fluid combination puncher.

If Vitali is going to be better it's because you think his awkwardness overcomes for him through a lot of the fight, and it won't. Vitali's movement won't look that good against Tua, either.

JohnThomas1

10-10-2009, 01:05 PM

Crazy how you actually think Tua would have a better chance than Lewis.

"vs" Lewis.

JohnThomas1

10-10-2009, 01:06 PM

If i've read right.

AnthonyJ74

10-10-2009, 01:25 PM

They are both still in their primes........

I think Vitali beats Tua by lopsided decision. Tua, at 5'9", is too short.........

PetethePrince

10-10-2009, 01:44 PM

They are both still in their primes........

I think Vitali beats Tua by lopsided decision. Tua, at 5'9", is too short.........

Both in their primes? I don't think Vitali is, however he's much closer to it. Tua can't be in his prime anymore.

frankenfrank

10-11-2009, 05:51 AM

With the winner getting a shot at Joe Louis of course.

What would have happened if these two had met in their respective primes?

a repeat of lewis-tua of course. slight chance for a tua-savon.

let me fix you :

both come after two successive destructions of Joe Louis
What would have happened if these two had met in their respective primes?

Mr Butt

10-11-2009, 06:28 AM

tua has a chance but i think vitali wins a ud ,first half of this fight will be competative the second if this is not a motivated tua could be dull with tua content to last the distance

lefthook31

10-11-2009, 09:49 AM

:huh Vitali doesnt fight tall at all, he has the widest stance and gives up a lot of his height.
Vitali fights very tall. Tua would be outboxed very easily.

lefthook31

10-11-2009, 09:56 AM

None of that has anything to do with fighting tall.
He may have a wide distance at times, but overall he fights with his back arched and his head up high and back. He can compensate for a somewhat wide stance at times by being 6'7". His general motion when he punches is usually going backwards another trait of a fighter who fights tall.

Muchmoore

10-11-2009, 10:45 AM

Vitali is the worst opponent imaginable for Tua. Really, I think he has more of a shot against Lewis because there's at least the chance he gets careless and he can land the homerun shot.

If my life depended on picking someone to beat Tua, I would pick the Klitschko of 6-7 years ago. Just a terrible matchup.

PetethePrince

10-11-2009, 02:42 PM

"vs" Lewis.

err I wrote wrong.

chico g

10-12-2009, 06:49 AM

sam1222

10-12-2009, 07:43 PM

Vitali by decision probably

stf75

10-13-2009, 11:48 AM

Vitali by late stoppage. I don't think Tua's punch resistance is better than Arreola and Peter's, and i'm pretty confident he'll get caught alot more than the previous 2 brawler's due to his smaller stature...

This is probably the worst statement ever made, If Lewis couldnt knock Tua out ( Lewis was hitting him with his right hand all night, and combos), then I'm pretty sure Vitaly wouldnt. And for the record Tua has way more punch resistance than Arreola and Peter combined. There not even close to facing the oposition that Tua has. I think with all 3 of their styles being identicle the're all going to get hit regardless, you look at the height as being a disadvantage, but if you look at Peter who is 6'2-6'3 and Arreola who is 6'4 Vitaly hit both of them with relative ease. Tua who happens to be 5'9 IMO would be a lot tougher for Vitaly just because I dont think he's ever fought anyone that short and the angles of punches will be different for Vitaly to adjust to, (Im not saying he wouldnt) PLUS he would have to think about the angles Tua will be taking when he's loading up his Bombs! Vitaly will be alot worried fighting Tua then the other 2 brawlers mentioned because of his KO ability in any given round. Arreola is a balls to the wall type of guy his knockouts come from an accumilation of punches and Peter is a walking foul machine. He has a strong right hand, but bad feetwork and because he's so sloppy lands some of his punches in the back of his opponents head, which is illegal....lol!!!

TheGreatA

10-13-2009, 12:15 PM

This is probably the worst statement ever made, If Lewis couldnt knock Tua out ( Lewis was hitting him with his right hand all night, and combos), then I'm pretty sure Vitaly wouldnt. And for the record Tua has way more punch resistance than Arreola and Peter combined. There not even close to facing the oposition that Tua has. I think with all 3 of their styles being identicle the're all going to get hit regardless, you look at the height as being a disadvantage, but if you look at Peter who is 6'2-6'3 and Arreola who is 6'4 Vitaly hit both of them with relative ease. Tua who happens to be 5'9 IMO would be a lot tougher for Vitaly just because I dont think he's ever fought anyone that short and the angles of punches will be different for Vitaly to adjust to, (Im not saying he wouldnt) PLUS he would have to think about the angles Tua will be taking when he's loading up his Bombs! Vitaly will be alot worried fighting Tua then the other 2 brawlers mentioned because of his KO ability in any given round. Arreola is a balls to the wall type of guy his knockouts come from an accumilation of punches and Peter is a walking foul machine. He has a strong right hand, but bad feetwork and because he's so sloppy lands some of his punches in the back of his opponents head, which is illegal....lol!!!

Agreed.

I can't see Jameel McCline or Travis Walker flooring a prime David Tua.

TheUnstoppable

10-13-2009, 12:28 PM

Vitali by late stoppage. I don't think Tua's punch resistance is better than Arreola and Peter's, and i'm pretty confident he'll get caught alot more than the previous 2 brawler's due to his smaller stature...

Tua's chin FAR surpasses Arreola's and Peters, and his movemtn is much better. He won't (initially at least) plod about, he'll come in low using head and upper body movement to get inside.

Something people seem to be missing here is that the height difference could actualyl work against Vitali; it'll be incredibly awkward punch down at that angle, and anything that lands will come off Tua's shoulders or crown. Once/if Tua gets inside Vitalis body presents a MASSIVE target. We all know how good Vitali's chin is, but can he take flush Tua hooks to the flank and straight rights to the solar plexus and ribs?

Don't get me wrong, this fight totally favours VK but a dedicated smart Tua could really do some horrible, horrible damage to him.

Boilermaker

10-13-2009, 05:07 PM

Tua's chin FAR surpasses Arreola's and Peters, and his movemtn is much better. He won't (initially at least) plod about, he'll come in low using head and upper body movement to get inside.

Something people seem to be missing here is that the height difference could actualyl work against Vitali; it'll be incredibly awkward punch down at that angle, and anything that lands will come off Tua's shoulders or crown. Once/if Tua gets inside Vitalis body presents a MASSIVE target. We all know how good Vitali's chin is, but can he take flush Tua hooks to the flank and straight rights to the solar plexus and ribs?

Don't get me wrong, this fight totally favours VK but a dedicated smart Tua could really do some horrible, horrible damage to him.

Vitali doesnt really hav to punch down, he carries his hands in a low guard, which means his left will always be on the up. His low right is the same. Plus, because he arm punches so much, i think that this will have little effect on his punches.

stf75

10-13-2009, 05:27 PM

Vitali doesnt really hav to punch down, he carries his hands in a low guard, which means his left will always be on the up. His low right is the same. Plus, because he arm punches so much, i think that this will have little effect on his punches.

Good point Boilermaker, I still think that it would be a massive adjustment on Vitaly's part....His fight with Arreola, Vitaly was hitting Arreola from every direction possible, however when you compare Vitaly who is 6'7 and Tua who is 5'9 I have to question the efectiveness of the angles and the punches landed compared to if he was fighting a guy 6'4. None the less this fight would be an interesting one!

chico g

10-14-2009, 05:29 AM

The problem is Stf75, the fight probably won't materialise, because Vitali will more likely retire after the Johnson fight. It's all speculation for now...

round15

10-14-2009, 04:53 PM

If Vitaly keeps him outside, using his long jab and footwork, he likely wins a 12 round UD perhaps losing three maybe four of the rounds the entire fight.

I wouldn't right off Tua, concluding this is an easy win for Vitally because Tua definitely has the power to hurt him and make this fight very interesting

What's forgotten is the fact that Vitaly provides Tua with a very big target to the body. If Tua is successful early in the fight, landing significant body shots, he could surprise Vitaly and may have him down. Overall, I'd favour Vitaly to win this matchup.