The Zakman Chin Test

[Superheavyweight]

Although I find you an intelligent person I feel that you’re so called chin checking abilities are slightly overrated.

You put fighters in either the glass jaw or rock chinned category, there’s no in between for you, and you seem to pick the only ‘accomplished’ or the obvious for your rock chinned category and lump everybody else in the glass jaw one, there doesn’t seem to be any real skill involved.

So my question is which up and coming fights do you predict a knockout i.e. in your opinion they must have a glass jaw because they’ve suffered a KO.

I propose the Zakman chin test.

So… starting with a new slate, no using your so called previous predictions, which of the scheduled fights will end in a stoppage/KO?

Knockdowns won’t count as constituting to having a glass jaw you have to be KO’d, using your logic anyway i.e. you think Lennox had a glass jaw.

If you really are the master chin man that you obviously think you are then you should pass this easy test with flying colours.

I’ll give some examples to get you going.

Oleg Maskaev ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Samuel Peter ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

David Haye ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Jean-Marc Mormeck ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Audley Harrison ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Michael Sprott ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) II

Amir Khan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Scott Lawton ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

I’ve highlighted the fighters that are no doubt going to be in your “going to be KO’d in their next fight” category.

Good luck.

[andyZOR]

Boo this man!


:lol:

[.trunzx]

Just because those fighters have glass chins doesn't mean they are going to lose by knock out in that particular fight.

And for the record all those fighters in bold have shaky chins. :deal

[DanePugilist]

If you think his chin-checking abilities are off-beat - why don't you correct the ones he have done. If you have - care to put the corrections in this thread?

[barneyrub]

If you think his chin-checking abilities are off-beat - why don't you correct the ones he have done. If you have - care to put the corrections in this thread?flotsam and jetsam :good

[Zakman]

I’ll give some examples to get you going.

Oleg Maskaev ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Samuel Peter ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

David Haye ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Jean-Marc Mormeck ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Audley Harrison ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Michael Sprott ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) II

Amir Khan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vs. Scott Lawton ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

I’ve highlighted the fighters that are no doubt going to be in your “going to be KO’d in their next fight” category.

Good luck.

Maskaev, Taylor and Fraudley are all going to be starched in those fights. I think Mormeck is somewhat past it, so I am not sure that he will be able to take advantage of Haye's questionable whiskers - that may have to wait until he faces Ding or moves up to heavy. Lawton is like virtually all of Khan's opponents - carefully selected PRECISELY because he doesn't hit hard, so it is unlikely, although not impossible, that he will be the one to expose Khan's glass jaw.

So for the record, here are my predictions:

Peter by KO in 5 or less (probably 1st round, frankly)

Pavlik KO 5

Haye by late stoppage (again, Mormeck is past it)

Sprott by EARLY KO

Khan TKO 7

[Zakman]

Maskaev HAD a weak chin for an extended period but in his last few years as a fighter since he got on the winning streak, weak chin no more.

Like I said, you only go for the conventional weak chins, you have no fucking clue what so ever about chins unless someone already indicates it's weak - such as Audley Harrison, who people know to have a weak chin

You put Taylor in the weak chin list, despite him taking countless punches from Winky and Hopkins in his fights, whilst Winky isn't the strongest puncher, Hopkins isn't a weak ass and power is the last thing to leave a puncher.

You talk about Haye by late stoppage because Mormeck is past yet, yet Mormeck just won a war against O'Neil Bell, showing the same qualities as always - stamina, relentless chin and ability to fight back under pressure.

Quite simply, most of your chin predictions are as stupid as Hamsterdam's.

Bullshit. I was calling Fraudley's glass chin TWO YEARS before ANYONE around here. The only guys that backed me up were Amsterdam and YouOutSucka. Everybody else was saying shit like "what are you talking about, he's never even been knocked down."

And I have been early on Taylor shaky chin too - mark my words, he WILL get starched. And those of you saying he took so many punches or whatever ever bullshit you're peddling will be proven wrong - AGAIN.

And while many agree that Oleg does indeed have a glass jaw, there is also a sizeable contingent of delusional boxing fans like yourself, who assert - in complete contravention of EVERYTHING we know about the aging process in boxing - that Maskaev's chin has gotten BETTER with age. Yeah, sure. :nut

I am ESB's Chinchecker. When both Maskaev and Taylor get KTFO you better apologize for questioning me!:yep

[iceman]

Maskaev, Taylor and Fraudley are all going to be starched in those fights. I think Mormeck is somewhat past it, so I am not sure that he will be able to take advantage of Haye's questionable whiskers - that may have to wait until he faces Ding or moves up to heavy. Lawton is like virtually all of Khan's opponents - carefully selected PRECISELY because he doesn't hit hard, so it is unlikely, although not impossible, that he will be the one to expose Khan's glass jaw.

So for the record, here are my predictions:

Peter by KO in 5 or less (probably 1st round, frankly)

Pavlik KO 5

Haye by late stoppage (again, Mormeck is past it)

Sprott by EARLY KO

Khan TKO 7

I mostly agree.Pavlik and Peter will take 7 or 8 rnds to KO their opponents.Unfortunately and i hate to say it i think Fraudley will beat Sprott this time around setting up another mouthwatering encounter:verysad

[brooklyn1550]

Maskaev HAD a weak chin for an extended period but in his last few years as a fighter since he got on the winning streak, weak chin no more.

I think it has more to do with Maskaev's improved mental toughness and his improved defense over the past few years.

[DanePugilist]

flotsam and jetsam :goodYou got it:good

[DanePugilist]

I think it has more to do with Maskaev's improved mental toughness and his improved defense over the past few years.At least I have never heard of anyone improving chin over age. There is no hope at all for Jaidon Codrington.

[Decker]

Bullshit. I was calling Fraudley's glass chin TWO YEARS before ANYONE around here. The only guys that backed me up were Amsterdam and YouOutSucka. Everybody else was saying shit like "what are you talking about, he's never even been knocked down."

And I have been early on Taylor shaky chin too - mark my words, he WILL get starched. And those of you saying he took so many punches or whatever ever bullshit you're peddling will be proven wrong - AGAIN.

And while many agree that Oleg does indeed have a glass jaw, there is also a sizeable contingent of delusional boxing fans like yourself, who assert - in complete contravention of EVERYTHING we know about the aging process in boxing - that Maskaev's chin has gotten BETTER with age. Yeah, sure. :nut

I am ESB's Chinchecker. When both Maskaev and Taylor get KTFO you better apologize for questioning me!:yep Zak, I won't dispute your status as a premier Chinchecker. Your predictions above may turn out to be accurate. My criticism of your analysis is that you over weight the chin aspect of a fighters overall ability, which includes hand & foot speed, punching power, stamina, "grit & heart". It's like the chin characteristic is 50+% for you and everything else combined is less than 50% :huh

This is the only way you can rank LL as the 3rd best 90s HW, with Holy & Tyson above him - fighters LL handled rather easily ! If Lewis had such a bad chin, then why didn't these 2 at least seriously shake him up? Oh, they weren't in thier prime argument :roll: As if these 3 fighters are so different in age :-( All three are in the same age bracket.

Holy, with some enhancements, accomplished much for his size - more than Tyson. But LL - however you rate his chin - was the best 1990s HW.

[Fighting Weight]

Bullshit. I was calling Fraudley's glass chin TWO YEARS before ANYONE around here.

Now that's bullshit for a start, a lot of people could spot Audleys chin problem from the very off, same thing with Khan.

[skier47]

[quote=Superheavyweight]Although I find you an intelligent person I feel that you’re so called chin checking abilities are slightly overrated.

You put fighters in either the glass jaw or rock chinned category, there’s no in between for you, and you seem to pick the only ‘accomplished’ or the obvious for your rock chinned category and lump everybody else in the glass jaw one, there doesn’t seem to be any real skill involved.

Total rubbish. Everybody was blabbering about Wlad's china chin for
months even after one great victory after another. Zakman consistently stated that Wlad's chin was neither "rock" hard nor
"glass" but in fact about average. I believe that to be accurate.
Sure Wlad goes down from powershots from time to time but
also manages to get back up most of the time and continue to fight.
This Taylor, Pavlik fight should be interesting. I like Taylor to win
this based on his superior experience and awesome jab along with
Steward in his corner but if Pavlik exposes Taylor's chin as Zakman
has boldly predicted then the rest of us posters are not worthy.
I hope we are all man enough to give him credit if that happens
but somehow I doubt it.

[0-1]

Audley will beat Sprott. He got starched due to a stupid error on his own part, of complacently leaving his chin out to dry for half an hour for Sprott to wind up on it. Audley is a better fighter, although he unfortunately hasn't accomplished as much as a professional...

[PIRA]

Now that's bullshit for a start, a lot of people could spot Audleys chin problem from the very off, same thing with Khan.

That's true. Fan's in the UK were calling fraudley suspect years ago - well before Zakman. Khan same thing - there are posters in the Brit forum who have called this since the Olympic trials.

[Toopretty]

How Did I Miss This Thread

[Toopretty]

Well you have to realize that Zakman's mind set is chin over all other abilities will give you an advantage in a fight..but only if you get punched a lot and have no defense to fall back on. There are a lot of little mini Zakman out there that put chins on a pedestal. Zakman uses every single term for chin his post as he is the ESB chin expert. Fraudley got caught with a punch he did not see. As did a lot of fighters like Lennox and others. I think anyone who fights in a style when they try not to get hit and they get caught with something they dont see they are going down..other lesser fights fight in a style where they are braced for a hit majority of the time b/c they have no defense or movement. They anticipate the punches. This little tidbit does not float around in the minds of Zakman and the little Zakmen of ESB.