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Addie
10-11-2009, 04:46 PM
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson
Alexis Arguello
Eusebio Pedroza
Vicente Saldivar
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales

I can't think of the others. Would Juan Manuel Marquez make the list? How about Hamed, who although getting beaten decisively by Barrera, did go 10-1 and unified at that weight? Discuss. Try and order them too.

1. Salvador Sanchez
2. Eusebio Pedroza
3. Vicente Saldivar
4. Azumah Nelson
5. Alexis Arguello
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
7. Erik Morales

Help me out.

Bill Butcher
10-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson
Alexis Arguello
Eusebio Pedroza
Vicente Saldivar
Marco Antonio Barrera

I can't think of the others. Would Juan Manuel Marquez make the list? How about Hamed, who although getting beaten decisively by Barrera, did go 10-1 and unified at that weight? Discuss. Try and order them too.

1. Salvador Sanchez
2. Eusebio Pedroza
3. Vicente Saldivar
4. Azumah Nelson
5. Alexis Arguello
6. Marco Antonio Barrera

Help me out.

Morales for a start

Addie
10-11-2009, 05:01 PM
Morales for a start

Agreed.

I think Hamed should be on the list above Morales, but I'm not sure if Marquez should be on the list. The best thing he ever did at 126lbs was draw with Manny Pacquiao - who had three fights at the weight himself.

Beeston Brawler
10-11-2009, 05:38 PM
I'd put Marquez on the list.

IMO he doesn't get the credit he deserves, perhaps because he isn't the stereotypical Mexican fighter.....

Bill Butcher
10-11-2009, 05:39 PM
Agreed.

I think Hamed should be on the list above Morales, but I'm not sure if Marquez should be on the list. The best thing he ever did at 126lbs was draw with Manny Pacquiao - who had three fights at the weight himself.

By the time Morales warmed to 126 lbs he was a far better 126 lber than Naseem ever was.... in fact its actually a myth that he wasnt that good at 126, sure, he was better at 122 but I thought he was good in every FWT fight except for the 2nd half of the Espadas fight, the Chi performance was criticised at the time but we didnt know Chi at the time & he never lost to any other fighter in his prime except Morales & went on to prove he was a good fighter & Erik did still win clearly.

He probably had his 126 lb peak vs Ayala, brilliant performance, as good as any of his performances at 122 probably.

Addie
10-11-2009, 05:41 PM
I'd put Marquez on the list.

IMO he doesn't get the credit he deserves, perhaps because he isn't the stereotypical Mexican fighter.....

Probably because he didn't fight many great fighters at 126lbs.

Addie
10-11-2009, 05:42 PM
By the time Morales warmed to 126 lbs he was a far better 126 lber than Naseem ever was.... in fact its actually a myth that he wasnt that good at 126, sure, he was better at 122 but I thought he was good in every FWT fight except for the 2nd half of the Espadas fight, the Chi performance was criticised at the time but we didnt know Chi at the time & he never lost to any other fighter in his prime except Morales & went on to prove he was a good fighter & Erik did still win clearly.

He probably had his 126 lb peak vs Ayala, brilliant performance, as good as any of his performances at 122 probably.

Currently going on a Morales trip, downloading his fights with Chavez, In Jin Chi, and Ayala. :good

Mantequilla
10-11-2009, 05:45 PM
Davey Moore
Sugar Ramos
Vicente Saldivar
Mitsuneri Seki
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Jose Legra
Eder Jofre
Antonio Gomez
Shozo Saijo
Ernesto Marcel
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Danny Lopez
Poison Kotey
Ruben Castillo
Eusebio Pedroza
Sal Sanchez
JUan Laporte
Rocky Lockridge
Barry McGuigan
Antonio Esparragoza
MArcos Villasana
Paul Hodgkinson
Tom Johnson
Kevin Kelley
Wilfredo Vazquez
Luisito Espinosa
Naseem Hamed
MAB
Erik Morales
Pac
JMM


Some of those early-mid nineties guys maybe shouldn't be there, but off the top of my head i'd say that's most of the notable champions and a few of the better contenders.No doubt i've forgotten a few.

Man, the sixties\early seventies was incredibly deep at this weightclass.

Drew101
10-11-2009, 05:45 PM
Essentially from 1960 on?

Aside from the first five choices ( i.e. Sanchez, Pedroza, Arguello, Nelson, Saldivar), cases could be made for any of these fighters making the Top 10

Barerra
Morales
Jofre
Olivares
Lopez
Esperragoza
Hamed
Pacquiao

Marquez and John also warrant mention.

Tin_Ribs
10-11-2009, 05:46 PM
Saldivar is the greatest, that much I do know. I'll chuck Winstone, Marcel and Little Red into the mix. Marcel is particularly underrated IMO.

Addie
10-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Davey Moore
Sugar Ramos
Vicente Saldivar
Mitsuneri Seki
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Jose Legra
Eder Jofre
Antonio Gomez
Shozo Saijo
Ernesto Marcel
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Danny Lopez
Poison Kotey
Ruben Castillo
Eusebio Pedroza
Sal Sanchez
JUan Laporte
Rocky Lockridge
Barry McGuigan
Antonio Esparragoza
MArcos Villasana
Paul Hodgkinson
Tom Johnson
Kevin Kelley
Wilfredo Vazquez
Luisito Espinosa
Naseem Hamed
MAB
Erik Morales
Pac
JMM


Probably my picks, but I could never be certain. Thanks for the contribution.

sweet_scientist
10-12-2009, 07:03 AM
If we're talking head to head ability, it's pretty hard to narrow it down to ten. There's a handful of essentials (Marcel, Saldivar, Sanchez, Nelson and Arguello) but then there's about 10 guys that are all roughly on the same level right underneath them.

asero
10-12-2009, 08:33 AM
pacquiao is the greatest FW since nelson

Addie
10-12-2009, 09:50 AM
pacquiao is the greatest FW since nelson

:lol: Pactard, go to the General...NOW!

Ezzard
10-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Duran's win over Marcel, who then went on to beat Arguello, shows that even at such a raw age he could have hung with the best here.

Addie
10-12-2009, 10:34 AM
Duran's win over Marcel, who then went on to beat Arguello, shows that even at such a raw age he could have hung with the best here.

Duran is a complete non factor here as far as I'm concerned.

Bill Butcher
10-12-2009, 02:50 PM
Currently going on a Morales trip, downloading his fights with Chavez, In Jin Chi, and Ayala. :good

Prepare to have a new favourite fighter by the time you`ve completed your trip :D :good

Bill Butcher
10-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Duran is a complete non factor here as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed, its laughable to mention Duran as a FWT.

Bill Butcher
10-12-2009, 02:53 PM
pacquiao is the greatest FW since nelson

World class comedy, Asero :good

sugarsean
10-12-2009, 06:19 PM
1. Salvador Sanchez
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Azumah Nelson
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Erik Morales

MrMarvel
10-12-2009, 11:38 PM
If it weren't for Sanchez and Nelson, Gomez may have become recognized as one of the best.

anarci
10-13-2009, 12:08 AM
1. Sanchez 2. Arguello 3.Nelson 4.Pedroza 5. Saldivar 6.Pacman 7.Barrera 8.Morales -Marquez 10.Lopez I think Fenech could have been on here if he just had more fights at feather,Jofre too.

Leonard
10-13-2009, 05:15 AM
Currently going on a Morales trip, downloading his fights with Chavez, In Jin Chi, and Ayala. :good

Hey Addie, where do you get these great fights?

Addie
10-13-2009, 08:05 AM
Hey Addie, where do you get these great fights?

PM Me and I can hook you up. You'll be surprised at what fights you can find on the Internet and in good quality. :good

The dude who put Pacquiao above Barrera - comedy gold. :good

Flea Man
10-13-2009, 08:06 AM
No place for Morales IMO. Naz at no.10, Ernesto Marcel should be in there too.

asero
10-13-2009, 09:34 AM
there is no way MAB and EM could be ranked higher than PAC

unless you ranked joppy over trinidad at 160

Bill Butcher
10-13-2009, 10:57 AM
there is no way MAB and EM could be ranked higher than PAC

unless you ranked joppy over trinidad at 160

Career wise, Pacquiao`s weight jumping achievements will have him ranked higher than Morales & Barrera more so than the 2-1 & 2-0 h2h fights between them, the new overthrows the old, thats the way it has always been & boxing experts usually take this on board.

Pac had one great fight of note at FWT, vs MAB, he did practically nothing else except throw away what should have been a guarateed victory over JMM by letting his reckless ass get out boxed after a brilliant 1st round.

Pacquiao would never have beat any version of Morales pre Raheem, never mind the 126 lb version that was sharper than the 130 version that did beat Pac. I also dont think any FWT version of Pac would beat the Barrera that beat Naseem.

Morales & Barrera were better FWTs than Pacquiao.

GDG
10-13-2009, 11:18 AM
there is no way MAB and EM could be ranked higher than PAC

unless you ranked joppy over trinidad at 160


Are you simple??

I'm guessing you rank Leonard over Hagler at MW??
Berbick over Ali at HW??
Spinks over Holmes at HW??

Also...by your logic Pac is only as good as Sanchez at SBW as they drew???

What a stupid comment!!!

Addie
10-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Career wise, Pacquiao`s weight jumping achievements will have him ranked higher than Morales & Barrera more so than the 2-1 & 2-0 h2h fights between them, the new overthrows the old, thats the way it has always been & boxing experts usually take this on board.

Pac had one great fight of note at FWT, vs MAB, he did practically nothing else except throw away what should have been a guarateed victory over JMM by letting his reckless ass get out boxed after a brilliant 1st round.

Pacquiao would never have beat any version of Morales pre Raheem, never mind the 126 lb version that was sharper than the 130 version that did beat Pac. I also dont think any FWT version of Pac would beat the Barrera that beat Naseem.

Morales & Barrera were better FWTs than Pacquiao.

All that needs to be said.

By Asero's logic, which is completely absurd, Pacquiao would also rate higher than Hatton at 140lbs. Not how Boxing works, not at all. If Pacquiao was to stick at 140lbs and dominate for a number of years there, he'd have a case otherwise you don't rank as the best Junior Welterweight of the last decade with a victory over Hatton, who himself wasn't even the best JWW of the last decade.

HyperBone
10-13-2009, 10:52 PM
pacquiao is the greatest FW since nelson

:lol: