View Full Version : Would Prime Foreman Tko Or Ko Prime Mercer????
WOULD MERCER SURVIVE FOREMAN OF 73/74????? YOUR THOUGHTS.....I ACTUALLY THINK MERCERS PRIME WAS WHEN HE FOUGHT HOLY IN 95................BUT FOREMANS BIG JAB AND HEAVY BODY PUNCHES WOULD BE TOO MUCH FOR MERCER....IT WOULD LOOK A LOT LIKE FOREMAN/CHUVALO BUT I THINK MERCER WOULD GET STOPPED IN 7 RDS.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke
McGrain
09-19-2007, 08:13 PM
Nice question!
Yeah he would stop him. Under 1910's ruleset he would still stop him. There are only so many absolute bombs you can take.
Dr Gonzo
09-19-2007, 08:16 PM
TKO10 - Mercer has a great chin, obviously, but the accumulation of that many bombs would stop anyone IMO.
brooklyn1550
09-19-2007, 08:18 PM
I think George would TKO him....probably in the mid rounds
box03
09-19-2007, 08:24 PM
I think Mercer would win a decision with Foreman. I feel Mercer's chin would be strong to absorb Foremans bombs throughout the fight, in his prime he was able to knockout morrison and have close fights with both Lewis and Holyfield. I think Mercer would land alot on Foreman and win rounds easily, only chance Foreman would have is to catch Mercer with something big which I dont see happening.
kukoy
09-19-2007, 08:43 PM
KO period.
kg0208
09-19-2007, 09:08 PM
George could stop him. He wouldn't stop McCall or Chuvalo, but he could stop Mercer.
chimba
09-19-2007, 09:13 PM
I think Mercer would win a decision with Foreman. I feel Mercer's chin would be strong to absorb Foremans bombs throughout the fight, in his prime he was able to knockout morrison and have close fights with both Lewis and Holyfield. I think Mercer would land alot on Foreman and win rounds easily, only chance Foreman would have is to catch Mercer with something big which I dont see happening.
I kinda agree with you..I see Big George getting tagged with that porous peekabo of his.. Although he had a decent chin...Mercer is just faster...while George was always a plodding type.
Make no mistake though, George connects it nitey nite
Lostmykeys
09-19-2007, 09:19 PM
TKO most likely.
box03
09-19-2007, 09:28 PM
I kinda agree with you..I see Big George getting tagged with that porous peekabo of his.. Although he had a decent chin...Mercer is just faster...while George was always a plodding type.
Make no mistake though, George connects it nitey nite Its easy to say Foreman would destroy Mercer but Mercer is a pretty good boxer and at that time had a strong chin, the only time I remember him going down is when Holyfield caught on him on the button not really hurt though. Foreman can win but he would have to catch mercer early to win seeing that Foreman was a fast starter and used to throw alot of punches early then burn out as fight drew to the later rounds, but I think this is a fight Mercer could win as long as he dont try exchanging with big George which would be an obvious mistake.
MrMagic
09-20-2007, 12:36 PM
A prime Mercer? I don't think so, even Foreman himself said that "there's no way he's going to get knocked out" when Lewis "sat down" on his punches against Mercer. Mercer could take a punch, for real.
BewareofDawg
09-20-2007, 12:44 PM
I kinda agree with you..I see Big George getting tagged with that porous peekabo of his.. Although he had a decent chin...Mercer is just faster...while George was always a plodding type.
Make no mistake though, George connects it nitey nite
I don't think Foreman used that defense when he was in his prime :huh
MrMagic
09-20-2007, 12:46 PM
I don't think Foreman used that defense when he was in his prime :huh
He had a pretty bad defense, he had poor footwork.
And seriously, Ray Mercer is no push over, he's able to cause mayhem every now and then during the fight, but I see George winning a unanimous decision over 15 rounds.
The Kurgan
09-20-2007, 01:08 PM
To clarify, a prime Foreman predominatly used a pat-a-cake style (similar to what Rahman occasionally does, although nowhere near as stupidly) rather than a peek-a-boo style. A peek-a-boo style is something like Mike Tyson or Winky Wright's defense, with the palms of the glove facing oneself and the elbows running parallel to the ribcage.
I can really see Mercer winning this. Mercer not only had a great chin in his time, but he wasn't easy to hit; he didn't just lunge in, but worked in behind a jab. Even Larry Holmes didn't tag him that often in their fight. Lewis, who could punch about as hard as Foreman and do so for far more rounds, didn't even seriously stagger Mercer. It helped that Mercer didn't just have an iron chin, but he tucked his chin right into his chest, making it hard to tag him there cleanly.
The big question for Mercer in this fight is stamina. Who tires first? Oddly enough, I think Foreman after the second Frazier fight (after which he became a bit more conservative) would be best equipped to win this one. If he fought Mercer like he fought Young- jabbing and waiting for an opportunity to present itself rather than throwing like a demented wildman- he would likely lose the first 5 rounds or so, before starting to come on in the second half. This would be a rare case of Foreman winning a fight in the second half!
On the other hand, I think a prime (or specifically peak) Foreman would swing away and get frustrated in the early rounds, gas in the middle rounds, and be stopped in the later rounds. So, prime for prime, I pick Mercer, but post-prime for prime, I pick Foreman. :huh
PATSYS
09-20-2007, 01:08 PM
WOULD MERCER SURVIVE FOREMAN OF 73/74????? YOUR THOUGHTS.....I ACTUALLY THINK MERCERS PRIME WAS WHEN HE FOUGHT HOLY IN 95................BUT FOREMANS BIG JAB AND HEAVY BODY PUNCHES WOULD BE TOO MUCH FOR MERCER....IT WOULD LOOK A LOT LIKE FOREMAN/CHUVALO BUT I THINK MERCER WOULD GET STOPPED IN 7 RDS.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke
Mercer's weakness is in his body and Foreman is not a great body puncher.
Foreman might beat Mercer by close UD.
A prime Mercer is very tough, great chin and great jabs.
George could stop him. He wouldn't stop McCall or Chuvalo, but he could stop Mercer.
Foreman did stop Chuvalo. Not a KO, but a TKO caused by accumulation.
razor
09-20-2007, 01:14 PM
LOL , no way.
razor
09-20-2007, 01:14 PM
An in-shape Mercer easily KOs Foreman.
The Kurgan
09-20-2007, 01:23 PM
Mercer's weakness is in his body and Foreman is not a great body puncher.
:think
Good point. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense- it was Lewis's bodypunches, for instance, which cause Mercer to gas in their fight and allowed Lewis to pick up the last four rounds or so.
Foreman was effective to the body. As soon as he got a guy on the ropes he swung like crazy at their ribs.
I see that going like the George Chuvalo or Luis Pires fight. Foreman would connect with a few hard head shots, Mercer, like Pires and Chuvalo, would cover up on the ropes, and then punished severely to the body. However, Mercer couldn't take the punishments.
Foreman by TKO in 4.
Mercer would have chance to beat a prime Foreman. Mercer is better than Ron Lyle, and he hit harder too. It would have been great fight to watch.
George could stop him. He wouldn't stop McCall or Chuvalo, but he could stop Mercer.
FOREMAN DID STOP CHUVALO
Toopretty
09-20-2007, 08:50 PM
Did that guy just say lewis hit has hard as foreman ........................................... Im done..the heavyweight overzealous guys have done another #
Mind Reader
09-20-2007, 08:52 PM
I think George stops him.
MrMagic
09-20-2007, 08:53 PM
Did that guy just say lewis hit has hard as foreman ........................................... Im done..the heavyweight overzealous guys have done another #
Are you pointing at me mate?
I never said that Lewis hits as hard, I only said Foreman made a very credible comment, and Lewis is just a level under Foreman. There's really not that big difference, really....
Boxfanman
09-20-2007, 10:35 PM
Man, this is something to think about for sure. I see Foreman being a better fighter in his comeback. There are big differences between a younger Foreman and the older, more wise Foreman. The one thing that didn't change is his ability to hit. I realize that Mercer had a great chin, but Foreman could take a punch too. I don't see Mercer running from Foreman. That is where the mistake would happen....just as it did for Smokin Joe...who isn't given due credit for his boxing ability. Joe had a good chin too....it just didn't look that way against Foreman. He actually stood up to a lot from Foreman. Back to Mercer/Foreman. Enough would be enough. The fight would be stopped to save Mercer from severe damage.
PATSYS
09-21-2007, 12:11 AM
Anybody who thinks it is a joke to compare Lewis' punching power to Foreman's is a joke himself.
Lewis is a much bigger guy compared to Foreman. And I am not talking about Valuev, or Austin like what I anticipate some morons would point out. I am talking about the proven puncher Lennox Lewis, not just another 250 lbs journeyman.
To put inot perspective, Lewis weighed 256 lbs against Vitali, and he still look ripped. Foreman of the 90s weighed 256 lbs and looked awfully fat. The point here is that Lewis is naturally bigger guy than Foreman and with that weight put behind a well placed and leveraged punch, Lewis could very well hit just as hard as Foreman.
holmes
09-21-2007, 12:13 AM
Foreman KO 5....
box03
09-21-2007, 12:23 AM
Anybody who thinks it is a joke to compare Lewis' punching power to Foreman's is a joke himself.
Lewis is a much bigger guy compared to Foreman. And I am not talking about Valuev, or Austin like what I anticipate some morons would point out. I am talking about the proven puncher Lennox Lewis, not just another 250 lbs journeyman.
To put inot perspective, Lewis weighed 256 lbs against Vitali, and he still look ripped. Foreman of the 90s weighed 256 lbs and looked awfully fat. The point here is that Lewis is naturally bigger guy than Foreman and with that weight put behind a well placed and leveraged punch, Lewis could very well hit just as hard as Foreman. Foreman is naturally Heavyhanded, Lewis was shown how to punch hard through lots of practice. While I think Lewis is up there Power wise with Foreman, but when you look at Foremans ko ratio its one of best at what like 88%. Lewis I dont think has the one punch knockout power of big George, close but not as powerful .
lefthook31
09-21-2007, 08:45 AM
Mercer the same lazy piece of crap that lost to Jesse Ferguson and an old Larry Holmes, beating Foreman? No way. Foreman pounds him to a UD. Mercer could take a big shot in his prime, but he was never that great. His power was overated with the destruction of Tommy glass chinned Morrison, but other than that not alot of kO's on his record. George by easy UD.
lefthook31
09-21-2007, 08:47 AM
Did that guy just say lewis hit has hard as foreman ........................................... Im done..the heavyweight overzealous guys have done another #
Lennox Lewis definitely hit as hard as Foreman, if not harder.
Zakman
09-21-2007, 09:31 AM
Mercer makes it to the final bell, but Foreman pounds out a clear UD
PATSYS
09-21-2007, 12:59 PM
Foreman is naturally Heavyhanded, Lewis was shown how to punch hard through lots of practice. While I think Lewis is up there Power wise with Foreman, but when you look at Foremans ko ratio its one of best at what like 88%. Lewis I dont think has the one punch knockout power of big George, close but not as powerful .
Most of Goerge's KO victims are bums, he koed what 20+ straignt bums from 1987-1990?
Taking about 1-punch KO power, I can not recall Foreman scoring a 1 punch KO. I might be wrong, pls point out to me which fight?
On the other hand, Lewis has several 1-punch kos, Botha, Rahman.
Don't get me wrong, I think Foreman is one of the hardest hitters in the sport, but Lewis is certainly somewhere up there with him.
hooligan
09-21-2007, 01:31 PM
Most of Goerge's KO victims are bums, he koed what 20+ straignt bums from 1987-1990?
Taking about 1-punch KO power, I can not recall Foreman scoring a 1 punch KO. I might be wrong, pls point out to me which fight?
On the other hand, Lewis has several 1-punch kos, Botha, Rahman.
Don't get me wrong, I think Foreman is one of the hardest hitters in the sport, but Lewis is certainly somewhere up there with him.
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