Anti-European brainwashing in all seriousness is working very effectively in the US

[China_hand_Joe]

Ricky Hatton was back to his old self last night, stylistically. The same style with the aggression and quality which saw him develop into one of the superstars of British boxing.

With the fanbase he has deveoped and the glowing references from ex-pros and reporters he has recieved, it is fair to say that style is not at all boring. Ricky Hatton is exciting that is pretty much a fact (I am quite sure the British press haven't fooled me into thinking that.

Hatton puts in a great display last night. He destroys a name boxer, in a fight that was very good whilst it lasted - aggression, workrate, skill and most importantly punches were landing. It was entertainment.

Yet you come one here today and people are actually putting down the win. It is not the dismissive attitude many yanks have show, the "Castillo was shot" brigade. They are inevitable. What bothers me is the wa in which the Ruiz comparisons are continuing, the 'fans' insisting Hatton is a boring fighter.

They really bought into what they heard from their commentators about Hatton having an ugly, unentertaining, cheating style even when evidence to the contrary is on display right in front of their eyes. It wasn't a classic but it was very decent.

Are Americans really that ignorant, incapable of individual thought, are their brains made of putty? I am worried by these signs, the anti-European attitude. I might never be able to help them. I might never be able to bring them to realise Joe Calzaghe is the P4P number one fighter in the world, or that Ricky Hatton is a future ATG. I am close to giving up on them.

[Tony Harrison]

The general viewing public probably love watching Hatton fight.

It is weirdos who inhabit boxing forums who present these bizarre, faggotty little opinions as though they actually hold merit.

[brown bomber]

I'm giving up from today.....

[David UK]

Very very few are man enough to admit they were wrong. I've seen one or two, but that's it.

[dwilson]

They know boxing is dieing in theyre own country so are trying to make every one else feel bad too.

[China_hand_Joe]

The best thing about them is how they still rate Bernard Hopkins above Joe Calzaghe. They still rate him above Hatton, for beating Tarver. They'll deny Tarver's last fight even happened as that would completely and utterly devalue the performance. They'll use he was robbed against Taylor twice as an excuse (then put Taylor top 10 because he beat Hopkins twice). Half of them cannot accept at the age of 43 Hopkins amongst the top 5 fighters in the world. How do you break down these deep rooted beliefs?

[dwilson]

The best thing about them is how they still rate Bernard Hopkins above Joe Calzaghe. They still rate him above Hatton, for beating Tarver. They'll deny Tarver's last fight even happened as that would completely and utterly devalue the performance. They'll use he was robbed against Taylor twice as an excuse (then put Taylor top 10 because he beat Hopkins twice). Half of them cannot accept at the age of 43 Hopkins amongst the top 5 fighters in the world. How do you break down these deep rooted beliefs?

Hopkins the worlds greatest ever stay at home fighter.

Taylor is considered to be the belt holding boxer most beatable in the sport and tarver has been very poor for ages, even with his mighty performance in the rocky film coinciding with the hopkins fight. Yes Hopkins deserves his legacy because of this, i think not. No doubt he was good but great, nah.

[China_hand_Joe]

Hopkins, Taylor and Wright few close fights between them - all 3 praised and built up together because of it. A series of close fights between Europeans? They all get knocked down together for it.

[Max Molyneux]

Even If Calzaghe beat 80 Mexicans In one night he'd still not be p4p no 1.

[dwilson]

Hopkins, Taylor and Wright few close fights between them - all 3 praised and built up together because of it. A series of close fights between Europeans? They all get knocked down together for it.

Can you imagine what kes and joe would get if they were american?

entertaining and winners?

[China_hand_Joe]

They might both be top 5 P4P fighters.

[Max Molyneux]

The Anti European thing probably works with Brits too like on boxrec.

[buddynabuick]

Ricky Hatton was back to his old self last night, stylistically. The same style with the aggression and quality which saw him develop into one of the superstars of British boxing.

With the fanbase he has deveoped and the glowing references from ex-pros and reporters he has recieved, it is fair to say that style is not at all boring. Ricky Hatton is exciting that is pretty much a fact (I am quite sure the British press haven't fooled me into thinking that.

Hatton puts in a great display last night. He destroys a name boxer, in a fight that was very good whilst it lasted - aggression, workrate, skill and most importantly punches were landing. It was entertainment.

Yet you come one here today and people are actually putting down the win. It is not the dismissive attitude many yanks have show, the "Castillo was shot" brigade. They are inevitable. What bothers me is the wa in which the Ruiz comparisons are continuing, the 'fans' insisting Hatton is a boring fighter.

They really bought into what they heard from their commentators about Hatton having an ugly, unentertaining, cheating style even when evidence to the contrary is on display right in front of their eyes. It wasn't a classic but it was very decent.

Are Americans really that ignorant, incapable of individual thought, are their brains made of putty? I am worried by these signs, the anti-European attitude. I might never be able to help them. I might never be able to bring them to realise Joe Calzaghe is the P4P number one fighter in the world, or that Ricky Hatton is a future ATG. I am close to giving up on them.


Many (most?) Americans have their heads so far up-their-asses they think the rest of the world still lives in the dark ages:nono!

[The Hitman]

What people seemed to have missed, and I've made this point over and over, is that Castillo was actually clinching Ricky the other night. You could tell it was frustrating Ricky. I admit Ricky held excessively in the two fights preceding the Castillo fight but he was back in his best nick on Saturday and didn't try and maul.

[sean]

i have seen just as many americans on this forum actually congratulate hatton as diss him.

years ago i posted on boxing .com the biggest boxing site on the net and it was 98% american and if you think hatton takes flak now then hatton would never have beaten any top 20 fighter, let alone get in the same ring as the likes of judah and tszyu.

IMO esb is much more open to european fighters than any other site, where by and large they dont get a look in.

mind you many americans on this site who have only been here a few years do not realise eastside boxing is set up initially as a pro european boxer site.

[China_hand_Joe]

i have seen just as many americans on this forum actually congratulate hatton as diss him.

years ago i posted on boxing .com the biggest boxing site on the net and it was 98% american and if you think hatton takes flak now then hatton would never have beaten any top 20 fighter, let alone get in the same ring as the likes of judah and tszyu.

IMO esb is much more open to european fighters than any other site, where by and large they dont get a look in.

mind you many americans on this site who have only been here a few years do not realise eastside boxing is set up initially as a pro european boxer site.There are definitely worse sites, I agree.

[brown bomber]

Hm, the us-boys dissing ya and wou´re whining because of it. Funny to see :D ?

[China_hand_Joe]

Hm, the us-boys dissing ya and wou´re whining because of it. Funny to see :DWhat is funny about it mate? This is serious stuff as they are mentally ill.

[Vantage_West]

It's not anti-European at all, it's anti-Britishno it isnt it's anti earopean
the u.s only takes in boxer from urkraine,danemark,germany,poland,russia,turkey,albania,ireland and crete........it's a bit interesting:?.......nah:roll:.....no actaully:blood...... :shock: HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE most the eu is in there

it is anti british

[Vantage_West]

There are definitely worse sites, I agree.boxrec forums :rofl funniest shiznit i have ever heard

[Club Fighter]

You Brits are way too self-absorbed.:patsch

[Vantage_West]

You Brits are way too self-absorbed.:patschyeah well we have are own forum beat that:blurp

[ChuckYoungblood]

Two things:
Of course people are first and foremost interested in boxers they may actually see fight. In sports people can be nationalistic and it's ok.

And peoples opinions come directly from the press and if you've heard something enough times, then you start believing it. The US journalist hypes the US boxers, and vice versa. The only difference is US is a bigger country.

You've got a point though, I think european boxers have a longer way to the absolute top, but that's not going to change.

[Boro chris]

You Brits are way too self-absorbed.:patsch


Coming from an american I find that rather amusing.:lol:

[Mendoza]

It's not anti-European at all, it's anti-British

A British fighter needs to beat a top American to get respect in America. Calzaghe did this vs Lacy. Hatton as not beat a top American opponent yet. If Hatton fights Mayweather and wins, then the respect will come.

[Club Fighter]

What is funny about it mate? This is serious stuff as they are mentally ill.
Dude, you're such a drama queen. I'm not even fully certain that you're even a man with your groundless and constant whining and complaining. The US is not "anti-European" or "anti-Brit." We're anti-overhyped fighters, anti-untested fighters, anti-fighters who employ jab-n-grab tactics, anti-fighters whose mouths are bigger than their accomplishments. It just so happens that recently the UK has been producing fighters with these traits . . . but wait, wait, wait, so has the US and we dislike those guys too (the Shannon Briggs', the John Ruiz', the Jason Litzaus . . .) Does that make us anti-American? No. Does that make us anti-Brit? No. Does that make us anti-European? No. Do your propaganda-laden posts make me anti-China_Hand_Joe? Yes. Does that make me anti-every other European poster on ESB? No.

Most Americans agree that Lennox Lewis is the greatest heavyweight champion of recent times (as do I). He was actually my favorite. We don't discount him because he's British. I want Vitali to come back to clean up the heavyweight division (even though he's old and chronically injured) and he's European.

So please stop all of your incessant erroneous clamoring. All you're doing is reaffirming your candidacy as ESB's lead intercontinental idiot. With all the whining you do, if you even are a man, you must be a queer which would speak volumes in terms of your choice of avatars. So quit polluting ESB with your baseless accusations. Nobody's interested. We all know you're just trying to stir up the pot. :stir

And a very good day to you, sir.

[achillesthegreat]

Bunch of cocks the lot of em. Hatton deserves his due. He's beaten an all time top 10 140 pounder and an all time top 30 135 pounder. Now if they give him his dues that is tantamount to saying he is a great fighter.

They all act like Hatton has changed, they all loved his style but said he was shit and would fail. When he raped great fighters they all hate on his style now.

Tszyu and Castillo were exciting performances.

[Smith]

This thread should be moved to the General forum, so some of the yanks can see how foolish there views are

[China_hand_Joe]

Dude, you're such a drama queen. I'm not even fully certain that you're even a man with your groundless and constant whining and complaining. The US is not "anti-European" or "anti-Brit." We're anti-overhyped fighters, anti-untested fighters, anti-fighters who employ jab-n-grab tactics, anti-fighters whose mouths are bigger than their accomplishments. It just so happens that recently the UK has been producing fighters with these traits . . . but wait, wait, wait, so has the US and we dislike those guys too (the Shannon Briggs', the John Ruiz', the Jason Litzaus . . .) Does that make us anti-American? No. Does that make us anti-Brit? No. Does that make us anti-European? No. Do your propaganda-laden posts make me anti-China_Hand_Joe? Yes. Does that make me anti-every other European poster on ESB? No.

Most Americans agree that Lennox Lewis is the greatest heavyweight champion of recent times (as do I). He was actually my favorite. We don't discount him because he's British. I want Vitali to come back to clean up the heavyweight division (even though he's old and chronically injured) and he's European.



Zab Judah seems to enjoy great sucess in America and recvieves a laughable amount of respect. As do the fighters that beat him (except Tszyu because he lost the first round!).


Lennox barely gets his dues, he is left out of every top 50 ATG list, whilst Holyfield makes the cut.





To deny there is bias in a America is a bit strange mate. There is bias in every country, England, Australia, Denmark but never anything like that in America where any European fighter is simply dismissed. How many euros make the top 100 ATG listings? Point proven.

[Smith]

Zab Judah seems to enjoy great sucess in America and recvieves a laughable amount of respect.


Lennox barely gets his dues, he is left out of every top 50 ATG list, whilst Holyfield makes the cut.





To deny there is bias in a America is a bit strange mate. There is bias in every country, England, Australia, Denmark but never anything like that in America where any European fighter is simply dismissed. How many euros make the top 100 ATG listings?

:good

They also can't really handle south americans taking any limelight, for example Monzon being placed so low on the espn 50, yet you can be damn sure if he was a born and bred american the most dominant middleweight in history would be shotuing for the top 10.