View Full Version : Does anyone have any round by round punch stats for Oscar - Floyd?
China_hand_Joe
09-19-2007, 09:55 PM
I have seen the overall stats, where Mayweather heavilly outscores Oscar with both jabs and power puinches. I am in a tiny minority, possibly of one person who feels Oscar won a maximum of 2 or 3 rounds - and those sheerly based on going forward and throwing many barely effective punches.
I am curious to find some round by round stats as I feel they would somewhat legitimise my view some more. I can obviously see why many people were scoring Oscar rounds, based on aggression. However I liked Floyd in this one, he didn't run. He stood in front of Oscar, dodging, and countering with the more hurtful shots even. He was also landing in greater volume, even if Oscar caught a few with his gloves early on.
Also, are there any others out there, who scored the fight for Floyd so heavilly?
kg0208
09-19-2007, 10:00 PM
I have seen the overall stats, where Mayweather heavilly outscores Oscar with both jabs and power puinches. I am in a tiny minority, possibly of one person who feels Oscar won a maximum of 2 or 3 rounds - and those sheerly based on going forward and throwing many barely effective punches.
I am curious to find some round by round stats as I feel they would somewhat legitimise my view some more. I can obviously see why many people were scoring Oscar rounds, based on aggression. However I liked Floyd in this one, he didn't run. He stood in front of Oscar, dodging, and countering with the more hurtful shots even. He was also landing in greater volume, even if Oscar caught a few with his gloves early on.
Also, are there any others out there, who scored the fight for Floyd so heavilly?
I originally scored the fight 8-4, the last 2 times I scored it 8-3-1.
I don't feel that PBF ran and often was actually in front of DLH simply countering and moving but still within punching range.
DanePugilist
09-19-2007, 10:00 PM
Not me:oops: - However, I might have been biased when I saw it, and haven't seen it since. I even had Oscar edging it out.
Antwuan Maxx
09-19-2007, 10:03 PM
I originally scored the fight 8-4, the last 2 times I scored it 8-3-1.
I don't feel that PBF ran and often was actually in front of DLH simply countering and moving but still within punching range.
Completely agree. :good
brooklyn1550
09-19-2007, 10:04 PM
I searched, but no luck.
116-112 Mayweather
China_hand_Joe
09-19-2007, 10:07 PM
Oscars tactics were obviously effective, given the view the judges get from ringside. It probably looked really good from where they were sitting.
BigReg
09-19-2007, 10:10 PM
I have seen the overall stats, where Mayweather heavilly outscores Oscar with both jabs and power puinches. I am in a tiny minority, possibly of one person who feels Oscar won a maximum of 2 or 3 rounds - and those sheerly based on going forward and throwing many barely effective punches.
I am curious to find some round by round stats as I feel they would somewhat legitimise my view some more. I can obviously see why many people were scoring Oscar rounds, based on aggression. However I liked Floyd in this one, he didn't run. He stood in front of Oscar, dodging, and countering with the more hurtful shots even. He was also landing in greater volume, even if Oscar caught a few with his gloves early on.
Also, are there any others out there, who scored the fight for Floyd so heavilly?
I had it 9-3. There was one round that I thought was real close and gave it to Oscar(Oscar ended up landing one more punch in that round). So I can definately understand someone scoring it 10-2. Your analysis of the fight is spot on. Oscar landed very few clean shots the entire fight and they were pretty much, if not all, jabs. I have no idea how anyone could give Floyd less than 8 rounds in ths fight. Oscar wasn't demolished, but he landed hardly any clean shots while Floyd was picking him off with jabs, straight rights and hooks.
DanePugilist
09-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Then again, you are an admitted Oscarsexual. You probably gave the ninth to Oscar against Hops.Aren't you too old to act like a kid?
China_hand_Joe
09-19-2007, 10:35 PM
I had it 9-3. There was one round that I thought was real close and gave it to Oscar(Oscar ended up landing one more punch in that round). So I can definately understand someone scoring it 10-2. Your analysis of the fight is spot on. Oscar landed very few clean shots the entire fight and they were pretty much, if not all, jabs. I have no idea how anyone could give Floyd less than 8 rounds in ths fight. Oscar wasn't demolished, but he landed hardly any clean shots while Floyd was picking him off with jabs, straight rights and hooks.
Good to know there are others who saw it similarly. I was comtemplating whether I might be insane after the SD was announced and when many people where content with the verdict.
Lance_Uppercut
09-19-2007, 10:36 PM
It was about as legit a split D as in DLH v. Mosley I.
China_hand_Joe
09-19-2007, 10:37 PM
Not me:oops: - However, I might have been biased when I saw it, and haven't seen it since. I even had Oscar edging it out.
Your scoring system suits Calzaghe's volume in slaps, rather than Kessler's orthodox, solid punches.
BigReg
09-19-2007, 10:40 PM
Good to know there are others who saw it similarly. I was comtemplating whether I might be insane after the SD was announced and when many people where content with the verdict.
I think people were fooled by the announcers. They were dsgraceful. The whole fight they were trying to invent reasons for why Oscar was winning. Finally in the 11th Floyd was beating the hell out of De La Hoya, just picking him off with shots. Lampley and Co. finally started giving Floyd his props. All of sudden, after getting beat up for 2 1/2 minutes, Oscar lands a good straight shot flush on Floyd's face. Manny Stewart immediately says "It'll be interesting to see how this round is scored". Punchstats showed Floyd outlanded Oscar something like 26-7 in that round.
DanePugilist
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Your scoring system suits Calzaghe's volume in slaps, rather than Kessler's orthodox, solid punches.I do rate his slaps very highly, as much as his aggression. So I gather that you can't see Calzaghe beat Kessler?
WhataRock
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
It was closer and more competitve than I thought it would be, but no way did Oscar win that fight.
SteveO
09-19-2007, 10:43 PM
I had the fight a draw, I felt Oscar won the first four rounds and picked up another two later in the fight but frustratingly kept forgetting to use the jab which was winning him rounds.
Mayweather when he did win rounds, won them quite comfortably.
I had it the same way.
China_hand_Joe
09-19-2007, 10:44 PM
I think people were fooled by the announcers. They were dsgraceful. The whole fight they were trying to invent reasons for why Oscar was winning. Finally in the 11th Floyd was beating the hell out of De La Hoya, just picking him off with shots. Lampley and Co. finally started giving Floyd his props. All of sudden, after getting beat up for 2 1/2 minutes, Oscar lands a good straight shot flush on Floyd's face. Manny Stewart immediately says "It'll be interesting to see how this round is scored". Punchstats showed Floyd outlanded Oscar something like 26-7 in that round.
Oscars best round for me was when the refereee allowed Oscar to hold Floyd and landed a few 'nice looking' body shots.
But the big factor for me was Oscar being the only one getting hurt in their. He was definitely surprised a few times by the power. Maybe Hatton will be too, he is just so accurate he doesn't need to be heavy-handed.
BigReg
09-19-2007, 10:51 PM
Oscars best round for me was when the refereee allowed Oscar to hold Floyd and landed a few 'nice looking' body shots.
But the big factor for me was Oscar being the only one getting hurt in their. He was definitely surprised a few times by the power. Maybe Hatton will be too, he is just so accurate he doesn't need to be heavy-handed.
I think that was round 4. That was definately Oscar's best round. He really didn't do any damage that round. However, Floyd didn't land many punches either and Oscar was more aggressive. That's another thing people dodn't realize. You can only win a round on aggression alone if the other guy isn't landing.
Pimp C
09-19-2007, 10:56 PM
I had it 9-3. There was one round that I thought was real close and gave it to Oscar(Oscar ended up landing one more punch in that round). So I can definately understand someone scoring it 10-2. Your analysis of the fight is spot on. Oscar landed very few clean shots the entire fight and they were pretty much, if not all, jabs. I have no idea how anyone could give Floyd less than 8 rounds in ths fight. Oscar wasn't demolished, but he landed hardly any clean shots while Floyd was picking him off with jabs, straight rights and hooks.
I've watched the fight 4 times and two times I scored it 9-3 PBF and the other two 8-4 PBF. Anyone giving Oscar more than 5 rounds doesn't know how to score a fight. Oscar was the aggressor but was ineffective throwing shoeshine punches trying to steal rounds and the dumbasses in the crowd who wouldn't know a left hook to the body from a straight right hand went wild for it but I'm glad atleast two of the judges didn't fall for it.
I thought Floyd won 9 of the rounds also. Maybe 8. 7-5 is crazy. DLH wasn't being effective and the only time he won rounds was when Floyd simply didn't do much.
kg0208
09-19-2007, 11:13 PM
I really thought the SD was horrible.
KO Boxing
09-19-2007, 11:20 PM
It was about as legit a split D as in DLH v. Mosley I.
I said just as much after the fight, also. However, most people see the DLH v Mosely I fight as a CLEAR CUT Mosely win that should have been a UD, and I think in time, the Mayweather v DLH fight will be much the same.
KO Boxing
09-19-2007, 11:21 PM
By the way, I'm a little more generous to Oscar and had the fight 7-4-1 (116-113) Mayweather live... Scored the fight 8-4 or around about after a few (yes, a few) rewatches.
Marnoff
10-18-2007, 08:55 PM
I don't have my scorecard with me, but I recall a score of like 9-3 for Floyd. Clear win, the split decision was outrageous.
Marnoff
10-18-2007, 08:56 PM
I really thought the SD was horrible.
I was on edge while they finished announcing the winner. I couldn't believe someone actually gave Oscar more rounds.
Relentless
10-18-2007, 08:57 PM
I was on edge while they finished announcing the winner. I couldn't believe someone actually gave Oscar more rounds.
you should come out of floyds nuts and watching the fight.:good
edit: if the fight wasn't close why were you on the edge of your seat?
MrStayman
10-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Compubox numbers are very, very inaccurate. Surprisingly so. I wouldn't base anything off of them.
sues2nd
10-18-2007, 09:29 PM
I can never find these things....sucks when ya really need em.
C Money
10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
I really thought the SD was horrible.
I agree.:good
Yet, for the most part, the "Floyd only won one maybe two rounds" theory is OUTLANDISH.:yep
There's really no question it was Unanimous:nono Floyd lost rounds through inactivity, COMPUSNOTS or NO COMPUSNOTS. One judges had a thong and golden dildo.
kg0208
10-18-2007, 09:40 PM
you should come out of floyds nuts and watching the fight.:good
edit: if the fight wasn't close why were you on the edge of your seat?
Obviously he meant he was on the edge because it became obvious as they read the first score that it was going to be a SD (they never announce who the judge scored the fight for unless it is a SD or a draw).
bigtime9
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
I think people were fooled by the announcers. They were dsgraceful. The whole fight they were trying to invent reasons for why Oscar was winning. Finally in the 11th Floyd was beating the hell out of De La Hoya, just picking him off with shots. Lampley and Co. finally started giving Floyd his props. All of sudden, after getting beat up for 2 1/2 minutes, Oscar lands a good straight shot flush on Floyd's face. Manny Stewart immediately says "It'll be interesting to see how this round is scored". Punchstats showed Floyd outlanded Oscar something like 26-7 in that round.
that was hilarious, very funny stuff from steward.:rofl I had oscar winning (very narrowly) 2,4,7. I could see round 3 being even but floyd outlanded him and landed the harder shots in round 3 so I gave it to him.
floyd clearly won rounds 1, 5, 6,8,9,10,11,12 anyone who thinks oscar won any of these rounds please stand up because I do have the punchstats to prove oscar clearly lost.
bigtime9
10-18-2007, 09:56 PM
If you think punchstats are accurate and want to go by them then you must admit that Floyd DEFINITELY lost to Castillo
castillo did not outland floyd in the first 5 rounds..go check the hbo punchstats for the fight. castilo came on strong from 6-12, but lost 11, and 12 based on punchstats. I had it 7-5 for floyd and 8-4 floyd in the rematch.
bigtime9
10-18-2007, 10:01 PM
Based on these stats, Castillo clearly won. You rely on punchstats in the last thread but in this one you change them around to fit your argument. You made that last bit up for sure, as Castillo came on way stronger at the end of the fight than Floyd.
Castillo Mayweather
203 Thrown 157
506 Landed 448
40% Percentage 35%
Power Punching Stats:
Castillo Mayweather
173 Landed 66
377 Thrown 151
46% Percentage 44%
once again do a round by round punch stat:deal looking at totals is not going to give a you a clear picture:hat
kg0208
10-18-2007, 10:08 PM
castillo did not outland floyd in the first 5 rounds..go check the hbo punchstats for the fight. castilo came on strong from 6-12, but lost 11, and 12 based on punchstats. I had it 7-5 for floyd and 8-4 floyd in the rematch.
In round 11, Castillo was 35 out of 68 and PBF 20 out of 50. Don't know round 12....
Edit: Round 12 was Castillo 17 out of 60 and PBF 13 out of 40.
Ambition_Def
10-19-2007, 12:03 AM
I don't remember DLH winning many rounds either really. DLH does that flurry shit at the end of rounds to get all the Oscarsexuals cheering but it's ineffective.
It's pretty sad that you throw dozens of punches and don't land any on a stationary target.
And consider, this is coming from someone who ALWAYS praises pressure boxers.
the_what
10-19-2007, 01:55 AM
I had it 8-4 Mayweather. It was one sided and the fight was already decided going into the final 4 rounds.
kg0208
10-19-2007, 02:17 AM
I don't remember DLH winning many rounds either really. DLH does that flurry shit at the end of rounds to get all the Oscarsexuals cheering but it's ineffective.
It's pretty sad that you throw dozens of punches and don't land any on a stationary target.
And consider, this is coming from someone who ALWAYS praises pressure boxers.
I find myself agreeing with you more often than not these days. I must need more medication :hat J/K bro....good post.
maciek4
10-19-2007, 03:25 AM
once again do a round by round punch stat:deal looking at totals is not going to give a you a clear picture:hat
Castillo was clearly robbed in that fight. He deserved to win 8-4 maybe 7-5.
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