Tony Quigley .::VS::. Paul Smith... who wins and how??...

[s23041983]

On Friday 30TH October, Tony quigley makes his first defence of the British Super Middleweight title against contender Paul Smith at the Echo arena, Liverpool.

Who will win this matchup between two Liverpool lads??:think

[Dan684]

Smith although i'd like Quigley to get the win.

You in the Army ???

[PaddyD1983]

Hate to say it... but it's Smith for me too. If Quigley boxes the same as he did against Dodson then he wont find Smith running in with his chin up and arms down.

Quigley has it in him to pull something special off when he wants to, I hope that that is the Tony that turns up.

[hit me HARDER]

Heart says Quigley, head says Smith.

If Smith on top form turns up, he has too much class, but Smith on top form very rarely turns up.

Plumbing for a Quigley UD, expecting a Smith UD.

[saturday_kid]

I think Smith will be too skilled for Quigley, Quilgey will battle hard show plenty of heart and not disgrace himself but will lose on points I reckon.

[BURNLEYBLUE]

Paul Smith wins this.Mid to late stoppage.
Can't understand everyone wanting a Quigley win. Smith seems a sound fella. And far more talented.

[Body Snatcher]

Paul Smith wins this.Mid to late stoppage.
Can't understand everyone wanting a Quigley win. Smith seems a sound fella. And far more talented.

Yeah i have thought that too. Both seem like decent blokes. Maybe people arent pulling for Smith as he has not being stepped up a level when it has seemed like he should be. He seems to have been buried on undercards quite a lot but i have a feeling this could be his coming out party at domestic level, i think Smith late stoppage after a brave Quigley effort.

[s23041983]

Paul Smith wins this.Mid to late stoppage.
Can't understand everyone wanting a Quigley win. Smith seems a sound fella. And far more talented.

yeah mate i know him.

hes one of the nicest fellas you will ever come accross, doesnt throw his weight around or nothin.

[s23041983]

Yeah i have thought that too. Both seem like decent blokes. Maybe people arent pulling for Smith as he has not being stepped up a level when it has seemed like he should be. He seems to have been buried on undercards quite a lot but i have a feeling this could be his coming out party at domestic level, i think Smith late stoppage after a brave Quigley effort.

the thing about paul is, hes a fighter who rises with the level of his opponent.

you give him a shit 6 rounder, he wont be too bothered but with this bein his own card, i know he will rise to the:bbb occasion.

im expecting a Smith early-mid stoppage because Quigley cant take the bodyshots!

[s23041983]

Smith although i'd like Quigley to get the win.

You in the Army ???

nah mate im not in the army, never have been... did ya think it was an army number in my name or somethin?? :yep

[GazOC]

the thing about paul is, hes a fighter who rises with the level of his opponent.

you give him a shit 6 rounder, he wont be too bothered but with this bein his own card, i know he will rise to the:bbb occasion.

im expecting a Smith early-mid stoppage because Quigley cant take the bodyshots!

maybe you're right, I've seen him put in a few dodgy performances. I'd never really considered that that may be the reason.

[PaddyD1983]

Paul Smith wins this.Mid to late stoppage.
Can't understand everyone wanting a Quigley win. Smith seems a sound fella. And far more talented.

Nothing to do with Smith, just that I've met Quigley a few times and he's sound. Never met Smith.

Nothing more to it than that.

[hit me HARDER]

Nothing to do with Smith, just that I've met Quigley a few times and he's sound. Never met Smith.

Nothing more to it than that.

Same with me mate, although I have met Smith too.

I wouldn't say anyone on this thread is being out of order wanting Quigley to win, he's just a good honest lad making the most of his abilities, whereas people may see Paul as squandering them somewhat at times.

[bennie]

Tony Quigley defends his British super-middleweight title in a ‘natural’ all-Liverpool clash with Paul Smith in the city later this month (October 30), a bill that also features a cracking British welterweight title showdown between Kell Brook and Michael Jennings.
Quigley won the title earlier this year with a last-gasp stoppage of former champ Tony Dodson – another Liverpool man – but needs to overcome Smith as well to strut the docks with total self-pride. Not that Quigley really needs to prove himself after finally overwhelming Dodson in what will surely be a prime candidate for domestic fight of the year. Quigley, a stocky, strong-looking fellow in the mould of Rocky Marciano, took the fight at short notice (for the injured Brian Magee) and was dropping down from light-heavyweight after his only loss to the excellent Nathan Cleverly (five rounds, body shots) but showed he is as powerful and relentless as ever as he came from behind to stop the more experienced “Garston Warrior” in the 12th and last round. Trained by his father (Tony Senior) Quigley took his record to 13-1 (6). At 24 the Tower Hill strongman can only get better.
Smith, from Kirkdale, is a couple of years older and more experienced at 27-1 (15) but - despite once injuring Ricky Hatton in a sparring session - has beaten nobody like Dodson, unless you count overrated Americans Jonathan Reid and David Banks or Wolverhampton’s capable Conroy McIntosh, who floored and nearly beat him. He really went off the boil after a brief stint on Contender III in the States in 2007 (he was the first European ever to feature on the show) and dropped a shock 10-round decision to Coventry’s grizzled old Steve Bendall last year, losing his unbeaten record into the bargain.
Nevertheless, Smith has won four on the spin since, including a vital warm-up for this against Czech Michal Bilak in July on points over eight rounds. The champion, on the other hand, has not fought since Dodson last March.
Like Quigley, Smith looks more suited to super-middlweight than his previous division of middleweight, where he lost to Bendall. One of three boxing brothers (Liam and Stephen), Paul is a former amateur star who dropped an 18-16 verdict to gifted Canadian Jean Pascal in the light-middleweight final of the 2002 Commonwealth Games and edged out talented Scot Craig McEwan in the semis (20-19). As a pro, at super-middleweight, he represents a real threat to anyone at domestic level with his strength, power and particularly his body punching, when you consider how Cleverly dismantled Quigley downstairs.
“Smigga” has stopped 15 of his 27 victims, 11 inside four rounds.
Both former England internationals, Smith went further than Quigley by winning an ABA title and that silver in the Commonwealth Games, which possibly gives him the edge.
This will be undoubtedly tough and competitive in the early rounds, bruising and bloody even. Neither is particularly quick or defensive-minded, and Smith does mark up, but one can envisage Smith’s strength, better boxing and those body shots ultimately proving the difference.

[PaddyD1983]

Good article Bennie.

Only thing I disagree with is you giving Smith the edge due to his amateur exploits. Smith's style was much more suited to the am's than Quigley's was. I dont really think it gives either an advantage.

The body work is interesting though. Lets see what shape Quigley come in at. I know the Dodson fight was short notice, but if Quigley's in that shape again then Smith could really do a number. Hopefully he'll be fit as f*ck though and we'll get another barnstormer!

[bennie]

Good article Bennie.

Only thing I disagree with is you giving Smith the edge due to his amateur exploits. Smith's style was much more suited to the am's than Quigley's was. I dont really think it gives either an advantage.

The body work is interesting though. Lets see what shape Quigley come in at. I know the Dodson fight was short notice, but if Quigley's in that shape again then Smith could really do a number. Hopefully he'll be fit as f*ck though and we'll get another barnstormer!


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[safc1990]

Anyone know if Smith is still trained by Buddy McGirt?

[nicofly]

This is what Paul Smith (smigga) needs, a fight to get pumped up for. Now he is fighting for a Lonsdale he will use this as a platform to go onto better things.

He is fighting at his ideal weight and is in a division where he could be in a position to be fighting for World honours at some point in the not so distant.

He has his best years ahead of him and come 30th October I think he will take Quigley apart quite easily. 4-7th round.

[PaddyD1983]

This is what Paul Smith (smigga) needs, a fight to get pumped up for. Now he is fighting for a Lonsdale he will use this as a platform to go onto better things.

He is fighting at his ideal weight and is in a division where he could be in a position to be fighting for World honours at some point in the not so distant.

He has his best years ahead of him and come 30th October I think he will take Quigley apart quite easily. 4-7th round.

Disagree with this. Smigger, like Quigley, is a good domestic. Potentially Euro level, but SMW is stacked beyond that.

[hit me HARDER]

I think both lads are a tad fleshy at Super, I don't think Middle would kill either of them.

[PaddyD1983]

I think both lads are a tad fleshy at Super, I don't think Middle would kill either of them.

With you on that mate.

[derry boxer]

Anyone know if Smith is still trained by Buddy McGirt?
hes not mate hes trained by george an danny vaughan in liverpool and is in the best shape of his life , carnt wait for fight night to see smigga lift that lonsdale belt just what the camp needs one of the best camps in england with no belt ,,, good luck smigga bro x

[My dinner with Conteh]

Paul Smith wins this.Mid to late stoppage.
Can't understand everyone wanting a Quigley win. Smith seems a sound fella. And far more talented.


I'm going the fight next week and rooting for Smith. :good

[Blueboy]

Got my tickets for this a while back, can't wait for what should be a brilliant night of boxing.
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I'll be supporting Smigga and there's no reason not to believe he'll win this one. Quigley pulled it out of the bag against Dodson, and I can't see Smith running out of steam like Dodson did that night. Hopefully a shot at the Lonsdale belt will really bring the best out of Smith, and I think it'll be a late stoppage or wide points decision in his favour

C'mon Smigga!

[nufc16]

Smith should win. he is the more skilled, more durable fighter. both, as has been said, shouldnt be fighting at this weight. If smith has rededicated himself to boxing then i cant see him not winning. most likely smith by late stoppage.

[s23041983]

hes not mate hes trained by george an danny vaughan in liverpool and is in the best shape of his life , carnt wait for fight night to see smigga lift that lonsdale belt just what the camp needs one of the best camps in england with no belt ,,, good luck smigga bro x
good shout :good

[avidlemon]

This is what Paul Smith (smigga) needs, a fight to get pumped up for. Now he is fighting for a Lonsdale he will use this as a platform to go onto better things.

He is fighting at his ideal weight and is in a division where he could be in a position to be fighting for World honours at some point in the not so distant.

He has his best years ahead of him and come 30th October I think he will take Quigley apart quite easily. 4-7th round.
This is pretty much how i see the fight panning out.

I think Quigley, although he got a good stoppage against Dodson, lacked something in the fight against him, and if he is popped by someone like smith who has a bang on him, he will go.

Smigga just needs a higher profile fight and level to raise his game. Now he has this, we will see the best of him. I think as has been mentioned, body shots are the key for him. Quigley wont win this on heart alone, and i dont think he has got much else in his locker
Smigga 8th tko

[stephen]

i say smith has the edge in experience and power Quigley looked good in his last fight but the only other time he has stepped up he got knocked out and i think smith will win by ud or by late knock out

[Macca L20]

Why is everyone in the papers calling this a grudge match?
Is it bullshit or don't they get on or something?

[JCB123]

Will everyone realise that Smith has not fulfilled his potential & never will!!

Stagnent fighter under FW and the way i see this is that he will under perform yet again & Quiqley beats him!!!

Yes they apparently have a bit of history but maybe someone else will give more light on this.

........... & as for Smith at #4 in WBO rankings what a load of absolute shite!!!!!!!!
Who has he fought?
What has he done?
****** & his shit plastic organisations!!
Smith would struggle to make British #4 at SM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GazOC]

Why is everyone in the papers calling this a grudge match?
Is it bullshit or don't they get on or something?


I think just a way of selling the fight.

[LP_1985]

think if smith brings his a game he shud make fairly easy work of this

[avidlemon]

Will everyone realise that Smith has not fulfilled his potential & never will!!

Stagnent fighter under FW and the way i see this is that he will under perform yet again & Quiqley beats him!!!

Yes they apparently have a bit of history but maybe someone else will give more light on this.

........... & as for Smith at #4 in WBO rankings what a load of absolute shite!!!!!!!!
Who has he fought?
What has he done?
****** & his shit plastic organisations!!
Smith would struggle to make British #4 at SM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


cock flaps

Maybe a bit premature at #4 wbo, but apart from froch, he is the number 2 smw in brtain, and he will prove it on the 30th

[JCB123]

Cock flaps???????

#2 smw in Britain c'mon???

Who has he fought to ******t this label???

[avidlemon]

Cock flaps???????

#2 smw in Britain c'mon???

Who has he fought to ******t this label???

i do hope you are not another one of these divs who is going to start telling me the kenny anderson is the next big thing at smw.
Look, i am not about to say that he has beaten many fighters that would be considered top guys. But who in the smw british scene has? Smith has been taking on guys with winning records, and has gone on record stating he wants to fight the "names" such as any of the top guys like barker, or elcock when he was fighting out of the mw division.
He is not a dodger, and is maybe suffering because frank ****** does tend to err on the side of caution.
The thing is that it is all about opinion. I have seen plenty of smith, and whilst i would be the first to admit that sometimes it hasn't all come together, when it does, he looks different class.
I guarantee that when it matter, like next friday, he will bring it, and quilgye will be out of his depth

Cock flaps???? I made that up all by myself!

[JCB123]

I'll tell you now lad i'm not a div as you say, but Smith has not done enough at SMW for you to be callin him the best in this country behind Froch.

You state there that he has been takin on guys with winning records???? Please tell me who you are talkin about because i fail to see these guys on Smith's record!!! Am i missing somethin????

Also how many fights has Smith had at SMW?? He never fulfilled potential at MW so how can you call him #2 at SMW i don't know.

I said in an earler post that he has become stagnent under FW ......... would you agree with that statement??? The lad has had 28 fights now & been a pro for somethin like 7 years & FW is still yet to put him in there with real opposition!!

Its ok sayin he has gone on record callin people out but sort it with your promotional team 1st & try and make these fights happen.

I have seen quite a bit of Smith myself but feel he has done nothin in my opinion for people to still be goin on about him that he's gunna do this and that ......... maybe 5 years go i would have agreed with it but not now. He is no longer a 'prospect' but now a fighter with 28 fights and 1 loss and in my opinion not fought that many noteable opponents.

I agree that its all about opinion, and that is my opinion

[avidlemon]

I'll tell you now lad i'm not a div as you say, but Smith has not done enough at SMW for you to be callin him the best in this country behind Froch.

You state there that he has been takin on guys with winning records???? Please tell me who you are talkin about because i fail to see these guys on Smith's record!!! Am i missing somethin????

Also how many fights has Smith had at SMW?? He never fulfilled potential at MW so how can you call him #2 at SMW i don't know.

I said in an earler post that he has become stagnent under FW ......... would you agree with that statement??? The lad has had 28 fights now & been a pro for somethin like 7 years & FW is still yet to put him in there with real opposition!!

Its ok sayin he has gone on record callin people out but sort it with your promotional team 1st & try and make these fights happen.

I have seen quite a bit of Smith myself but feel he has done nothin in my opinion for people to still be goin on about him that he's gunna do this and that ......... maybe 5 years go i would have agreed with it but not now. He is no longer a 'prospect' but now a fighter with 28 fights and 1 loss and in my opinion not fought that many noteable opponents.

I agree that its all about opinion, and that is my opinion
And i respect your opinion, and there are certain parts of it that i can't argue with, and that i would have agreed with before this debate, such as him maybe becoming stagnant under frank ******, and not being matched as cometitivley as he is capable of being matched
The thing is that Paul himself is critical of his performances, and that on certain occasions he has not made the best of opportunities.
Opponents with winning records. Where shall is start. Jonathan reid, cello renda, danny thornton, rashid matumla, michael bilak, francis cheka, alenxander polizzi, ryan walls, dean walker, he ended the carrer of rob burton. Ok, if you look at the start of his pro record, a lot of them were journeymen, and tune up fights. But most prospects have these same names on their early record.
Also look at it from this point of view. These guys that he has beaten, especially the ones who have the winning records, couldn't beat him. And when he lost, it was to Bendall, and widely regarded as the most ludicrous decision of 2008. He is a man to beat currently.
Is it his fault that his promotor and match maker have matched him like they have, no. Could he have gone to another promotor and got his opportunity earlier, yes probably. But he has his opportunity now, and it is put up or shut up time.
By the way, how many fights did Khan have at light welter, before he became wba champion?

[avidlemon]

Anyway, to go back to the point, how is it you see him losing to Quigley? What has he got in his locker to damage and trouble paul?

[JCB123]

Don't start with Khan mate, we all know why he got a shot .......... FW politics!!!!!
Same reason Smith is #4 in WBO rankings

Anyway i think the fight will be very very close & competative, and i'm really lookin forward to it. I just think Quigley may be that little bit more determined (i know you will disagree as you will say its Smith's shot at bigtime), just feel that Smith's performances of late have not impressed me at all.

On paper Smith should be the fav, more experience ..... according to you better opponents, supposedly better KO power. But as i've mentioned i think Smith will yet again underperform, and if Quigley performs like he did against Dodson i see him winning.

Incidentally i think Dodson would be a good test for Smith and i thing Smith would struggle aginst him too!

[avidlemon]

Don't start with Khan mate, we all know why he got a shot .......... FW politics!!!!!
Same reason Smith is #4 in WBO rankings

Anyway i think the fight will be very very close & competative, and i'm really lookin forward to it. I just think Quigley may be that little bit more determined (i know you will disagree as you will say its Smith's shot at bigtime), just feel that Smith's performances of late have not impressed me at all.

On paper Smith should be the fav, more experience ..... according to you better opponents, supposedly better KO power. But as i've mentioned i think Smith will yet again underperform, and if Quigley performs like he did against Dodson i see him winning.

Incidentally i think Dodson would be a good test for Smith and i thing Smith would struggle aginst him too!

Don't get me wrong, on paper, paul should be doing much better than he has done, and there is always that niggling worry that he will underperform for me. What would be good, is if he was put in against a couple of "names" so that he can see and we can see if he has got it or not.
See i thought dodson would have scrapped a points win against quigley. Maybe quigley had more fire in his belly than dodson, but i just dont see that being enough to see him through.
However you are quite right, it will be an amazing match up, and explosive. let's talk again after it, as we will klnow the score after.
By the way are you going?

[JCB123]

Yer i'm goin like, so we will see come fight night.

Really lookin forward to it & at least FW has put a decent bill together.

... at risk of harpin on Smith should have fought for a british title sooner than in his 29th fight!

[avidlemon]

Yer i'm goin like, so we will see come fight night.

Really lookin forward to it & at least FW has put a decent bill together.

... at risk of harpin on Smith should have fought for a british title sooner than in his 29th fight!
Probably should have, but, he has got it now, so it's step up to the plate time, nowhere to hide!
smigga 8 round tko is my prediction

[s23041983]

Why is everyone in the papers calling this a grudge match?
Is it bullshit or don't they get on or something?
its bullshit mate.
quigley never wanted this fight so whenever ppl in the media asked him about a possible bout with paul smith, he said no because theres bad blood, but smigga told me mate he hasnt got a clue what quigleys on about.

so quigley made up excuses why not to fight paul smith but the british boxing board stepped in and told him that if he didnt fight smigga within 90 days, he would be stripped of his title and smigga and mcgee would possibly fight for the vacant title.

its aaaaaaaaaaaaall bullshit mate!!! quigleys scared!!!:scaredas:

[s23041983]

How do you think the bodyshots will effect quigley?

We all know how they affected him against nathan cleverley, will this be pauls main threat?

[avidlemon]

How do you think the bodyshots will effect quigley?

We all know how they affected him against nathan cleverley, will this be pauls main threat?

Paul throws a lovely left hook to the body, and i don't think there is a great deal that quigley is going to be able to do to stop them. If one connects, then it is good night.
I think it could be the main threat for quigley. If Paul switches from head to body quickly enough, he will drop him with the left hook.

[beecho1988]

Smith UD