Favorite fighters greatest weaknesses

[Maxmomer]

What are some of your favorite fighters greatest or notable weaknesses. Whether it's a weakness to a certain punch, style, physical asset or mentality. It can be something inherent to your fighter (a sub-par chin, bad stamina) or something that troubled them greatly when they were faced with it in an opponent. Ali and Dempsey were often troubled by left hooks and right hands respectively. Frazier could be caught and hurt by awkward sluggers. That's all I've got right now. You go.

[thejokerswild]

tysons choice in women

[TBooze]

Roberto Duran: Fame

Julio Cesar Chavez: Booze

Tommy Hearns: Legs

Muhammad Ali: Believing in his own immortality

[Addie]

Marco Antonio Barrera's greatness weakness in my estimation would have been his temperament. I always classified the man as a complete fighter in the later stages of his career. He could fight on the outside (Tapia, Hamed), the inside (Morales I, Mckinney), off the ropes (Magana, Fernandez), and his defense improved to a point where he didn't get hit on a regular basis, and let's not forget his impressive combination punching ability. His ability as a fighter aside, he would often lash out at his opponent. Slamming Hamed's head into the turnbuckle, hitting Marquez whilst he was down, and hitting on the break countless times. It's lead to a lot of fans resenting him.

[The Kurgan]

Frank Bruno: survival skills

Nigel Benn: self-control

Ronald Wright: charisma

[he grant]

Duran: weight and conditioning

Dempsey: Inactivity

Langford: Talent. Too much ability.

[thejokerswild]

how does too much ability work against you? heh

[safc1990]

Morales- too willing to get drawn into a brawl

[KTFO]

tysons choice in women



:rofl:good

[redrooster]

My favorite fighter Hagler, he had none. Iron chin, lethal power that could snap an opponent's head off, first rate footwork and all around defense, and the heart of a lion.

Duran's weakness is fighting past his prime and not being properly conditioned, taking too many fights he wasnt physically or mentally prepared for. Similar to Lamotta

Julio Cesar Chavez-taking too many easy fights against people that didnt belong with him

Leonard-lacking in chin and heart. couldnt deal with fast hitters, movers. only capable of fighting in spurts.

Tommy Hearns: stood too straight up which became a problem for him when he became flatfooted.

Muhammad Ali-lack of body punching. stood too still for too long. he did this even in his prime with Chuvalo

[flamengo]

Lionel Rose.... Saunas, Cutting finger nails, hair and spitting into buckets to make Bantam limit.

[The Kurgan]

Leonard-lacking in chin and heart. couldnt deal with fast hitters, movers. only capable of fighting in spurts.


Heart and pacing, absolutely; chin- I wouldn't say so. Leonard's biggest weakness was that he couldn't fight a 3 minute round if his life depended on it, but he didn't have a bad chin by any realistic standard. One thing is for certain: when he lost, it wasn't due to his chin.

Also, I'm pretty certain you wake up every morning and throw a dart in the face of a Leonard poster. This is about favourite fighters.

[Mantequilla]

Sibbo...T-rex arms.

[MrMarvel]

Ali. Susceptibility to the left hook. He never solved this problem. This fault is countered by his tremendous chin. But he never had to take those shots. He also neglected the body. Life could have been easier for the greatest.

Duran. Disinterestedness. Sometimes he just didn't have the fire burning.

Hearns. Discipline. He let emotion get the best of him and got dragged into punch outs. Also, too much road work left him wobbly late.

Foreman. Stamina. As he said, nervous energy got the best of him. He needed a sports psychologist first time around.

Two of my favorite fighters had no weakenesses: Hagler and Chavez. They just got old too soon. Nothing one can do about that.

[MrMarvel]

Also, I'm pretty certain you wake up every morning and throw a dart in the face of a Leonard poster. This is about favourite fighters.

I was wondering why Leonard showed up in his post. Maybe he misunderstood the thread.

[red cobra]

Marco Antonio Barrera's greatness weakness in my estimation would have been his temperament. I always classified the man as a complete fighter in the later stages of his career. He could fight on the outside (Tapia, Hamed), the inside (Morales I, Mckinney), off the ropes (Magana, Fernandez), and his defense improved to a point where he didn't get hit on a regular basis, and let's not forget his impressive combination punching ability. His ability as a fighter aside, he would often lash out at his opponent. Slamming Hamed's head into the turnbuckle, hitting Marquez whilst he was down, and hitting on the break countless times. It's lead to a lot of fans resenting him.
I love MAB for the Hamed/turnbuckle thing!!

[Boro chris]

I was wondering why Leonard showed up in his post. Maybe he misunderstood the thread.


Probably not. He dosen't seem to have an interest in boxing unless its slagging off Leonard or hugging Terry Norris. Odd guy.:huh

[redrooster]

Heart and pacing, absolutely; chin- I wouldn't say so. Leonard's biggest weakness was that he couldn't fight a 3 minute round if his life depended on it, but he didn't have a bad chin by any realistic standard. One thing is for certain: when he lost, it wasn't due to his chin.

Also, I'm pretty certain you wake up every morning and throw a dart in the face of a Leonard poster. This is about favourite fighters.

I dont have a leonard poster but I have several of his fights including amateur. it is correct to say that Ray cannot fight a full 3 minutes. That's ONE problem. The other is that when struck clean by a sharp blow, any sharp blow, he gets wobbly. It can be from Geraldo, from Duran, Lalonde, howard, Norris, Camacho, or even the slow motion blows coming from a worn out Hagler. it doesnt matter.

Hurt him and most times you own him

[redrooster]

Sibbo...T-rex arms.

How then was Sibbo able to outjab Don Lee, a 6-2 middleweight? Only when Don turned lefty was the outcome affected.

[Mantequilla]

Don't question me, red.

[jaffay]

Joe Frazier - taking to many shots to land one

Carlos Monzon - throwing people out of window

Andrew Golota - mental strength in his physical prime

Sonny Liston - gambling and booze

Sam Langford - skin color

[The Wanderer]

I'm going to go against the grain here in some flaws:

Halger: One of my favorite fighters, one of the best all around fighters ever, but he frequently went into the ring with the wrong strategy or using the wrong tactics. For example trying to outbox and outjab Leonard early, letting up on Antuofermo late, showing too much respect to Duran, etc. Also, a little more speed would have only made him better.

Chavez: Hated training, partied too much, had troubles with speed, but only from the very fast guys who were top notch fighters as well. (In his prime, at least).

Ali: refused to listen to anyone else, which was sometimes good, sometimes not. Underestimated opponents, sometimes believed his own hype, especially when it came to talking down about guys like Frazier and how easily he's beat them...

[smitty_son408]

Wilfred Benitez: Inactivenesses and Work ethic- often just didn't work enough. Was evident in his bout with Leonard in rounds where I could count on my fingers the punches he threw. Hardly ever trained until the 2nd half of his career. With some dedication he could been much more sharper.

Pernell Whitaker- Well, we all know what his problem was.

Floyd Mayweather - Retreats in straight lines when feinted and pressured:nono. Also, when it comes time to just dig down and fight, he is very reluctant to do so (which is why I miss his 130 lb days).

[Bill Butcher]

Muhammad Ali never proved he could be a great infighter & he rarely went to the body - I loved his style tho, look at how good he was without using those skills.

Erik Morales didnt stay at long range enough & neglected his underrated defence all too often - those things made him Morales the entertainer tho, the warrior respected by all except morons.

[thejokerswild]

Was a big fan of Zab Judah. His weakness is his environment and more importantly his discipline.

[booradley]

Little Red: balance issues, lacked hand speed

Arguello: not enough foot or hand speed. Not that he was slow, but try to imagine Arguello with really fast hands and feet.

Wanderer already said the exact things I was going to say about Haglar.

Currently: Pavlik was very slick as an amatuer, and still an excellent boxer when he first turned pro. Now days he is to much in love with his power and head hunts way to much.

[GPater11093]

Arguello: obiously lack of footspeed quite planted to the ground. Also his weakness in him endeared me to him as he was the perfect gentleman but normal like the rest of us and struggled with his demons but overcame most of them and found himself in the ring and i can relate to that.

Pep: Not many weaknesses perhaps reluctance to set his feet and punch hard

Hagler: again tactical deficits

Marquez: Not many!

Mayweather: lack of challenging himself

[janitor]

Langford: Talent. Too much ability.

That always did hold his career back.

[GPater11093]

Lionel Rose.... Saunas, Cutting finger nails, hair and spitting into buckets to make Bantam limit.

:lol::lol:

That always did hold his career back.

:rofl:rofl

I know poor guy too much talent :lol:

[MrMarvel]

Hagler didn't so much let up on Antuofermo as Antuofermo hit the afterburner button. Antuofermo, realizing it was slipping away, really stepped it up. It was impressive the way he worked himself back into that fight. But Hagler came on strong in the end and twice had Antuofermo hurt in the 15th round. It was an impressive win against a very tough fighter.

Hagler's problem wasn't choosing to box Leonard. Hagler was the superior boxer and would have boxed Leonard's ears off in 1984, worse than he did Duran (who was a better boxer than Leonard, too). Hagler's last fight was an obvious case of a fighter at the end of career.

[The Kurgan]

I dont have a leonard poster but I have several of his fights including amateur. it is correct to say that Ray cannot fight a full 3 minutes. That's ONE problem. The other is that when struck clean by a sharp blow, any sharp blow, he gets wobbly. It can be from Geraldo, from Duran, Lalonde, howard, Norris, Camacho, or even the slow motion blows coming from a worn out Hagler. it doesnt matter.

Hurt him and most times you own him

So most of the times he got hit with a sharp blow, he lost?

[Xplosive]

Tyson - outside the ring distractions, mental toughness.

Jones - Didnt have any IMO. I think that only father time beat him.

Ali - lack of fundamental skills

Pryor - defense, cocaine

Benitez - inconsistent, somewhat shaky chin.

Julian Jackson - defense, and chin

[heehoo]

Bobby Chacon - Too willing to take punches
Duran - Training - he hated it
Patterson - chin
Ali - believed in himself to the point that it was hazardous for his health

[Cruiser1]

I'm talking about a prime (or near prime) Evander Holyfield and not the shell of the fighter we see today

1. All too willing to slug it out when boxing would have served him better.
2. Fought down to the oppsition (Czyz and Bean to name two instances).
3. Very hittable, the glove positioned up by the face did him no favors and this is somewhat related to #1 in the sense that he'd take shots to land his own.

[anarci]

Duran was my all time favorite,his weakneses have already been noted. Delahoyas mental lapses(last 3 rounds against Tito) Stamina problems at times Mosley,and Not utilizing his best weapon (the Jab) if he did he would have beaten Mayweather,sometimes to tentative,especially as he moved up in weight. SANCHEZ- sometimes he fought down to the level of his competetion,even though Castillo,Cowdell,Ford were excellent fighters those fights were close,closer than they would have been had he fought the way he did against Gomez,Lopez he even cruised against a young Nelson but he picked it up when had to and stopped him. Also Bobby Chacon was an excellent boxer/puncher when he was a featherweight,but his partying got in the way of some big fights. Then when he moved up to junior lightweigt he seemed to abandon his excellent boxing skills in favor of Exciting brawling style.

[Addie]

Michael Spinks - Was a slow starter. That's about all I can think of because in the middle rounds he just destroyed opposition. Fast combination's, a really awkward style which made it hard for the opponents to counter and block his punches. One of the truly great fighters of the last 50 years in my opinion, but he was a very slow starter. He'd also kind of lead with his uppercut, which made him susceptible to a counter hook. I guess.

[mcvey]

What are some of your favorite fighters greatest or notable weaknesses. Whether it's a weakness to a certain punch, style, physical asset or mentality. It can be something inherent to your fighter (a sub-par chin, bad stamina) or something that troubled them greatly when they were faced with it in an opponent. Ali and Dempsey were often troubled by left hooks and right hands respectively. Frazier could be caught and hurt by awkward sluggers. That's all I've got right now. You go.

Jack Johnson .
Vulnerable to head punches .
Susceptible to body shots.
Suspect defence.
Lacking in courage.
These are his defects ,according to Mendoza.

[lefthook89]

tua- a little to one dimensional, had the tools to destroy everyone including lennox lewis

tyson- mentally unstable

julian jackson- relied a little too much on his power

tommy morrison- glass chin

donovan ruddock- could've been SOOO much more than what he was, had all the physical tools but was a shitty boxer

[lefthook89]

Jack Johnson .
Lacking in courage.


its funny, johnsons critics said this about him as well, kinda paints a clear picture about mendoza huh??

[bigtime-skills]

Evander Holyfield:
1. Always willing to engage in slugfests even when it wasn't in his best interest. 2. Very stubborn; and
3. Sometimes fought down to his opposition (Bobby Czyz, Ray Mercer, etc.)

Tito Trinidad
1. Always wished he would've focued on being a little cuter at times, meaning focusing on defense, almost lulling a guy as opposed to his seek and destroy tactics (worked for me though, lol)
2. wished he had more footspeed, and better lateral movement. with that he could've been the next Duran:-(

Alexis Aruguello
Just footspeed....He was the "perfect" figther for my taste.

[fists of fury]

Joe Louis:

Inside the ring: Not much. Crafty boxers could make him look bad.

Outside the ring: Women, gambling, reckless with money

Bert Cooper:

Inside the ring: Hittable, wasn't sure if he was a hw or cruiser, lacked focus and at times determination.

Outside the ring: Drugs

Rocky Marciano:

Inside the ring: Cut-prone later in career, too wild at times.

Outside the ring: Not much; Totally dedicated athlete. Maybe loved a dollar too much?

Some of my other favourites like Hagler, Hearns, Barrera, Tyson etc. have already been done, so no need to do them again.

[thejokerswild]

Tyson - Lack of fundamental personal and social upbringing. His potential greatness was never to be reached as he was open to manipulation/exploitation and be stuck in personal disorder. this is also why i like him aswell. the tragedy and fascination that goes with it..

Evander Holyfield - Vulnerable defensively, unfocused boxing strategy and mental willingness to battle(this is also why I love him but its still a weakness). I mean you see him with a beauty of a stance/power physique and just general athletic ability then it goes to waste because of the 2 mentioned.

Floyd Mayweather Jr - His weakness in fighting character and personal development have hindered his public perception and legendary status. His opponant choice (although still impressive) will always be a debatable mark against his name.

Oscar De La Hoya - His overwelming public popularity and his lack of concentration on whats most important has ultimately ended up his biggest weakness as a legend.

[dee-z-r]

Bernard Hopkins - Difficulties dealing with speeed

[DDA365]

Toney - Burger King, Footwork

[THEHAMMER321]

I know shavers was not a great fighter but my favorite fighter he was,his weaknesses were he didn't have good stamina or a real good chin, but oh could he hit,with 1 punch nobody ever hit any harder

[Sweet Pea]

Whitaker's carelessness at times, which often lead to lackadaisical footwork and balance issues because of it.

[Muchmoore]

My favorite fighter Hagler, he had none. Iron chin, lethal power that could snap an opponent's head off, first rate footwork and all around defense, and the heart of a lion.


:lol::lol::lol:

[MAG1965]

Tommy Hearns-tendency to brawl when he could have easily won a fight boxing.

[johnmaff36]

My favorite fighter Hagler, he had none. Iron chin, lethal power that could snap an opponent's head off, first rate footwork and all around defense, and the heart of a lion.

Duran's weakness is fighting past his prime and not being properly conditioned, taking too many fights he wasnt physically or mentally prepared for. Similar to Lamotta

Julio Cesar Chavez-taking too many easy fights against people that didnt belong with him

Leonard-lacking in chin and heart. couldnt deal with fast hitters, movers. only capable of fighting in spurts.

Tommy Hearns: stood too straight up which became a problem for him when he became flatfooted.

Muhammad Ali-lack of body punching. stood too still for too long. he did this even in his prime with Chuvalo
Dont know where your getting that from. Leonard lacking chin and heart? You must be kidding.
as for Ali standing still against Chuvalo-He deliberatley did this to prove a point and offered chuvalo his body to punch at. Its well documented.

[The Wanderer]

Dont know where your getting that from. Leonard lacking chin and heart? You must be kidding.

Don't mind him there new guy, that's Rooster. He has an deep seated hatred for everything about Ray Leonard. Anyone Leonard beat was a bum, a bad decision, or a premature stoppage by a corrupt referee. Everything Leonard ever did in the ring shows that he was a coward and a bum. Anyone who beat Leonard did so while Leonard was in his prime, even Macho Camacho. (A bout which came 20 years after Leonard first went pro and 6 years after his last bout.)

Oh, and the fact that Norris and Camacho beat Leonard is proof that they're both legends, despite Leonard being a complete paper champion in Rooster's eyes. Just ignore what Rooster has to say on Leonard if you want to save some brain cells. (And I'm not even a Leonard fan, I think he was a very good fighter who knew how to play the media game and turn himself into America's darling while being annoying, manipulative, and opportunistic.)

By the way, welcome to the board. :good

[TommyV]

'Smokin Joe:

No right hand & no left eye. :lol:

:smoke

[KTFO]

I know poor guy too much talent :lol:



A black man with talent was on the hit list like rhinos because of their horn in that era. :deal