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Sakura
10-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Rumours says that next victim to Helenius is Oleg Platov..
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Rumours says that next victim to Helenius is Oleg Platov..
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Far too early for Helenius to take on guys like Platov!
Lets not forget that he has fought opponents like Uysal and Cetinkaya up to now.Too huge a step to fight a dangerous foe like Platov at this stage of the promising young nordic fighter's career.
Even Dettweiler would have been too huge a step for him last saturday! Helenius is not ready yet for the more dangerous sharks out there!
By the way Dettweiler didnt show a very convincing performance against Brewster's conqueror Olougon on the undercard of AA vs Taylor.However,he did enought to win a point decision as the African had been too inactive in most of the rounds.
Cachibatches
10-20-2009, 08:11 PM
Far too early for Helenius to take on guys like Platov!
Lets not forget that he has fought opponents like Uysal and Cetinkaya up to now.Too huge a step to fight a dangerous foe like Platov at this stage of the promising young nordic fighter's career.
Even Dettweiler would have been too huge a step for him last saturday! Helenius is not ready yet for the more dangerous sharks out there!
By the way Dettweiler didnt show a very convincing performance against Brewster's conqueror Olougon on the undercard of AA vs Taylor.However,he did enought to win a point decision as the African had been too inactive in most of the rounds.
Didn't he beat Scott Gammer, though? Thats not a bad win.
Mendoza
10-20-2009, 08:28 PM
Far too early for Helenius to take on guys like Platov!
Lets not forget that he has fought opponents like Uysal and Cetinkaya up to now.Too huge a step to fight a dangerous foe like Platov at this stage of the promising young nordic fighter's career.
Even Dettweiler would have been too huge a step for him last saturday! Helenius is not ready yet for the more dangerous sharks out there!
By the way Dettweiler didnt show a very convincing performance against Brewster's conqueror Olougon on the undercard of AA vs Taylor.However,he did enought to win a point decision as the African had been too inactive in most of the rounds.
Agreed. Helenius needs a lot of work. At least another year before taking on someone as good as Platov is.
Didn't he beat Scott Gammer, though? Thats not a bad win.
Decent scalp,but Platov plays in a different league!
Even Dettweiler is too huge a step at this stage of Helenius' career in my opinion!
Cachibatches
10-27-2009, 01:01 AM
Decent scalp,but Platov plays in a different league!
Even Dettweiler is too huge a step at this stage of Helenius' career in my opinion!
Interesting. I thought he was coing to move up quickly now that his hand is better.
Sakura
10-27-2009, 06:47 AM
Rumours are chanced..Lamon Brewster 5. December:shock:
I can guess Odoīs next post.
"Far too early to take on Brewster! Helenius is not ready!"
You are basing this on nothing but his pro fight record.
Helenius has schooled Dettweiler and many other good guys in sparring.
Even if he would lose his next fight, he IS ready. He wonīt be that much readier next year.
Helenius seems to have really put his foot on the pedal the last few fights scoring impressive knockouts. I wasn't too impressed with him but maybe he is maturing into the pro game.
Mazallan
10-28-2009, 06:07 AM
Gammer is shite and a coward so do not read into that fight.
Antsu
10-28-2009, 11:50 AM
Rumours are chanced..Lamon Brewster 5. December:shock:
Really? :shock:
Victory against Brewster would raise him top-10 near top-10 in major organizations.
And I think he can do it against current version of Brewster.
Amazing news!:admin
According to the latest news Helenius will square off against Taras Bidenko on the undercard of Haye vs Valuev.In case he is victorious he will then take on Lamon Brewster on a fight card in decembre.
Damn! I will praise him as loudly as I do the beauty of my wife!
Bloody tough matchmaking:twisted: for the young fellow from Finnland!
Brewster is a lazy and inactive former shell of himself who relies on a single powershot now and then to knock his opponent out,but Bidenko is a tougher nut to crack IMO.
Helenius doesnt possess Boytsov's firepower. A ko isnt very likely -neither on Helenius' nor Bidenko's part.
Sakura
10-30-2009, 10:40 AM
Amazing news!:admin
According to the latest news Helenius will square off against Taras Bidenko on the undercard of Haye vs Valuev.In case he is victorious he will then take on Lamon Brewster on a fight card in decembre.
Damn! I will praise him as loudly as I do the beauty of my wife!
Bloody tough matchmaking:twisted: for the young fellow from Finnland!
Brewster is a lazy and inactive former shell of himself who relies on a single powershot now and then to knock his opponent out,but Bidenko is a tougher nut to crack IMO.
Helenius doesnt possess Boytsov's firepower. A ko isnt very likely -neither on Helenius' nor Bidenko's part.
In my opinion Helenius will go far and seems that Sauerland team also believe that.
He will TKO both Bidenko and Brewster later rounds..:deal
Mendoza
11-02-2009, 07:12 AM
In my opinion Helenius will go far and seems that Sauerland team also believe that.
He will TKO both Bidenko and Brewster later rounds..:deal
I don't know about that. It seems to me that Helenius is the type of guy who losses focus. He regressed as an amateur, and doesn't always look to be in shape. Sauerland is more aggressive in match making in comparison to Universum, but matching a guy with little pro experience vs a guy like Brewster, or a tricky boxer like Bidenko is too agressive...even if Helenius wins, he needs time to develop.
According to the news Platov vs Coc is scheduled to take place on the undercard of Huck vs Olafobi.
Helenius would have too much on his plate with either Coc or Platov at this point of time IMO.Of course I may be wrong again.
Helenius did beat Bidenko( their fight was stopped due to a cut,but Helenius showed a convincing performance and seemed to be on his way to win a one-sided point decision).
Nevertheless,I still think that there is no need to rush Helenius into big fights.He is a young fellow and for sure still has to learn one or two things before he can mix it up with the bigger sharks out there.
Adnan Serin or Richel Hersisia are the types of opponents he should fight at this stage of his career.
Platov is too dangerous for him at this point of his career,and so is Brewster.
Anyway! Sauerland truly matches his young guns Helenius and Pulev very toughly and aggressively.
Platov too dangerous? You overrate him! At least in comparison with Robert!
Platov is nothing special, and would struggle to make a mark at Heleniusī face.
Brewster is more or less shot.
If Helenius fights like he did against Gammer and Bidenko, it doesnīt matter how tough these guys are. They just canīt get to him.
rapidfire
11-30-2009, 07:33 AM
Platov too dangerous? You overrate him! At least in comparison with Robert!
Platov is nothing special, and would struggle to make a mark at Heleniusī face.
Brewster is more or less shot.
If Helenius fights like he did against Gammer and Bidenko, it doesnīt matter how tough these guys are. They just canīt get to him.
And what is that special about Helenius ? The footage iīve seen of him does not convince me that he is the next big thing. I have to admit that i have seen only the Bidenko and Gammer fights. He looked OK there, but i didnīt see anything special. I think Pulev is the better prospect in the Sauerland-stable.
Platov too dangerous? You overrate him! At least in comparison with Robert!
Platov is nothing special, and would struggle to make a mark at Heleniusī face.
Brewster is more or less shot.
If Helenius fights like he did against Gammer and Bidenko, it doesnīt matter how tough these guys are. They just canīt get to him.
VHB, I somehow think that you tend to overrate Helenius:D
Helenius is a promising young gun who still has to learn one or two things before he can mix it up with the meaner wolves out there.
He is a green rookie in the pro game who wasnt a force to be reckon with at the amateurs.
Admittingly,he showed a quite impressive performance against Bidenko up to the time their fight was stopped due to a bad cut over the Ukranian's right eye.
Bidenko is a fighter without a stable ,a fighter who had gotten a really bad beating in the fight with Boytsov -before he faced Helenius.
Nah! Props to Helenius for that victory over Bidenko! Honour where honour is due! However,Bidenko is probably past his prime.
Platov is a very tough nut to crack for a young rookie.There is no need to rush Helenius into big fights!!!
No need at all! Helenius isnt in a race against time nor is a highly decorated former amateur star who can be matched toughly due to his vast experience at the amateurs.
Helenius isnt Povetkin's twin or brother,VHB:nono
He needs time,time,and time! The pro game is a very tough and brutal one! An early -unecessary- loss can ruin your entire further career in the paid ranks.
Brewster is shot? Probably! But he can still punch!
I for one think that Helenius has more potential than Pianeta,but at this stage of the careers Pianeta should be the one who fights opponents like Brewster or Platov and not Helenius
You are probably right in saying that Helenius needs more time and build-up.
However, Sauerland Event either disagrees with you, or then doesnīt care that deeply about Robertīs development. They obviously want to test him to the max, regarding his pro experience.
Honestly, I get the impression that Helenius could dominate Brewster and Platov the same night, and you would just say the same.
It was the same thing before Gammer and Bidenko fights. "Tough test for the Finn at this point, poor matchmaking". And Helenius defeated those guys EASILY. So please give him a break.
You are probably right in saying that Helenius needs more time and build-up.
However, Sauerland Event either disagrees with you, or then doesnīt care that deeply about Robertīs development. They obviously want to test him to the max, regarding his pro experience.
Honestly, I get the impression that Helenius could dominate Brewster and Platov the same night, and you would just say the same.
It was the same thing before Gammer and Bidenko fights. "Tough test for the Finn at this point, poor matchmaking". And Helenius defeated those guys EASILY. So please give him a break.
You dont get it,vhb! It doesnt matter whether Helenius would be able to dominate Brewster and Platov the way he did Bidenko or not. Matchmaking,good matchmaking,is an incredibly important factor in the pro game.
Why the hell do you think that someone like Johnson gets a shot at Vitaly's title? Because he has faced outstandingly tough opposition? Nah!
If you take a high risk you must be sure to get a high reward,too.Whats the point in taking on someone like Platov at this point of Helenius' career?
It would be a truly stupid move to overmatch him!!!!
I still think that it was pure madness to match Solis with Mazikin in the Cuban's second outing to a pro ring irrespective of the actual outcome of their encounter which was............quite fishy.
Cachibatches
12-05-2009, 03:55 AM
You dont get it,vhb! It doesnt matter whether Helenius would be able to dominate Brewster and Platov the way he did Bidenko or not. Matchmaking,good matchmaking,is an incredibly important factor in the pro game.
Why the hell do you think that someone like Johnson gets a shot at Vitaly's title? Because he has faced outstandingly tough opposition? Nah!
If you take a high risk you must be sure to get a high reward,too.Whats the point in taking on someone like Platov at this point of Helenius' career?
It would be a truly stupid move to overmatch him!!!!
I still think that it was pure madness to match Solis with Mazikin in the Cuban's second outing to a pro ring irrespective of the actual outcome of their encounter which was............quite fishy.
I hate to call a fight fixed, but the Solis-Mazakin fight was easily the most bizarre thing I have ever seen in the sport. Mazakin hit the ground for seemingly no reason, and as soon as it was done, popped right back up as if to announce that he was never hurt.
Butch Coolidge
12-05-2009, 07:35 AM
I am confused. I thought Helenius was known as a power puncher in the amateur ranks.
If he's looking for fights he could go after Ty Fields and David Rodriguez who are both very large, have very nice looking records and in many respects inexperienced too. It would look better if he fought opponents who had good win-loss ratios albeit against handpicked opposition. Plus, Fields and Rodriguez would attempt to win instead of just giving the old journeyman act of staying upright until catching a couple of serious punches.
Cachibatches
12-05-2009, 02:06 PM
I am confused. I thought Helenius was known as a power puncher in the amateur ranks.
If he's looking for fights he could go after Ty Fields and David Rodriguez who are both very large, have very nice looking records and in many respects inexperienced too. It would look better if he fought opponents who had good win-loss ratios albeit against handpicked opposition. Plus, Fields and Rodriguez would attempt to win instead of just giving the old journeyman act of staying upright until catching a couple of serious punches.
He was scheduled to fight Brewster, and got injured.
Anyone seen Zack Page vs Pulev on the undercard of Huck vs Ola???
According to the news Pulev had some trouble with his mobile opponent in the first 2 rounds but took command of the fight in round 3 and cruised to a unanimous point decision.
Butch Coolidge
12-29-2009, 02:12 PM
I watched Helenius' fights on youtube. My verdict; he has some talent but his technical skills still have a few flaws in them. At times his jab looks superlative, as good as anyone's, and that right hand to the body speaks for itself. I think the theory is if Lyakovich can smack Lamon Brewster's ribcage consistently, then Robert Helenius should be able to stop him with body shots. It's impressive seeing a guy that tall hammer an opponent's body, most tall fighters don't like to go to the body, but a body shot stoppage seems to impress the hell out of people. If Helenius developed his left hook to the body to the same point his right hook to the body is then he definitely would be formidable for anybody.
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