HATTON BASHING american arrogance

[mikepx]

Looking at all the threads and posts since the fight I find myself laughing but not surprised at the usual abuse aimed at hatton.To all my american neighbours who give credit where credit is due and are embarrassed by their fellow brothers comments pour yourself a dram o the finest malt whiskey (im fae scotland) and have a toast to yourself this opion is not aimed towards you.
How dare other countries have better sportsmen than the good old USA this attitude is rife throughout the country,It was the same brigade who thought lacy was just going to have to turn up and fight Joe who?He's a bum never heard of him lacy easy within 6 :patsch :yep :yep :yep .
Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.
I know its a rant and Im going to piss off a load of people who cant handle the truth that is not my aim I love watching american fights and fighters it is where the scene is at.I cant stand PBF as a person all his trash talk and shit the guy really has no class outside the ring but you cant question his skills and speed which are awesome but not to keen on his style but it works for him.Now why can't a load of the USA fanbase not manage an un biased opion of a fighter who hasn't ducked anyone fought the best and won irrespective of their personal allegiance's towards another fighter.comment please

[acb]

Hatton deserves credit man, for beating a completely shot fighter in Castillo who took a dive because he wanted to collect another check before he retired.




































































:smoke

Just fucking with you man. We Americans are ignorant asses sometimes, you will have to forgive us.

[kg0208]

Looking at all the threads and posts since the fight I find myself laughing but not surprised at the usual abuse aimed at hatton.To all my american neighbours who give credit where credit is due and are embarrassed by their fellow brothers comments pour yourself a dram o the finest malt whiskey (im fae scotland) and have a toast to yourself this opion is not aimed towards you.
How dare other countries have better sportsmen than the good old USA this attitude is rife throughout the country,It was the same brigade who thought lacy was just going to have to turn up and fight Joe who?He's a bum never heard of him lacy easy within 6 :patsch :yep :yep :yep .
Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.
I know its a rant and Im going to piss off a load of people who cant handle the truth that is not my aim I love watching american fights and fighters it is where the scene is at.I cant stand PBF as a person all his trash talk and shit the guy really has no class outside the ring but you cant question his skills and speed which are awesome but not to keen on his style but it works for him.Now why can't a load of the USA fanbase not manage an un biased opion of a fighter who hasn't ducked anyone fought the best and won irrespective of their personal allegiance's towards another fighter.comment please
Here's a comment. You yourself have a pretty narrowminded view.

When you say UNBIASED opinion, what you really mean is praise of a fighter who you like. American fighters are bashed here all the time, so I guess by that same token, you are just as bad as us filthy Americans right?

Every country has IGNORANT sports fans. Look how badly other countries talk about American Football.

[mikepx]

forgiven ,us scot's are known to be moaning face bastards now and then so you'll have to forgive us too:good:good

[Fighting Weight]

Looking at all the threads and posts since the fight I find myself laughing but not surprised at the usual abuse aimed at hatton.To all my american neighbours who give credit where credit is due and are embarrassed by their fellow brothers comments pour yourself a dram o the finest malt whiskey (im fae scotland) and have a toast to yourself this opion is not aimed towards you.
How dare other countries have better sportsmen than the good old USA this attitude is rife throughout the country,It was the same brigade who thought lacy was just going to have to turn up and fight Joe who?He's a bum never heard of him lacy easy within 6 :patsch :yep :yep :yep .
Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.
I know its a rant and Im going to piss off a load of people who cant handle the truth that is not my aim I love watching american fights and fighters it is where the scene is at.I cant stand PBF as a person all his trash talk and shit the guy really has no class outside the ring but you cant question his skills and speed which are awesome but not to keen on his style but it works for him.Now why can't a load of the USA fanbase not manage an un biased opion of a fighter who hasn't ducked anyone fought the best and won irrespective of their personal allegiance's towards another fighter.comment please

So 1 waitress you met was dumb, therefore the entire country is :huh :huh :huh :huh

How many graduates do you have waiting tables up there in Scotland? Seriously, you need to get a grip of yourself.

As for Hatton ducking nobody, well he's ducked Junior Witter his entire career, and Mayweather TWICE so far. And this is coming from a Brit.

[Fighting Weight]

Hatton deserves credit man, for beating a completely shot fighter in Castillo who took a dive because he wanted to collect another check before he retired.




































































:smoke

Just fucking with you man. We Americans are ignorant asses sometimes, you will have to forgive us.

Don't apologise to him, he's a fucking idiot.

[Butch Coolidge]

The fact Castillo is Mexican should be taken into consideration.:think

[DoumB]

Here's a comment. You yourself have a pretty narrowminded view.

When you say UNBIASED opinion, what you really mean is praise of a fighter who you like. American fighters are bashed here all the time, so I guess by that same token, you are just as bad as us filthy Americans right?

Every country has IGNORANT sports fans. Look how badly other countries talk about American Football.

KG ur a credible poster in here but on this the guy is right, Hatton, Calz, Kessler etc get a LOT more critizism from america then americans fighter get from europe public, Americans are simply too proud sometime to admit theyre not the best out there

[acb]

Don't apologise to him, he's a fucking idiot.

Im not really, but its true that Americans can be ignorant, like someone said above there are ignorant people in every culture. To be honest, I did not read the entire post. :oops:

[CHATABOX]

Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.


No, poor example. Im not American, but I know that American's aren't the only ones who react like this!:good

If you are American then obviously you are goig to root for your country man aren't you, Just like a Scot would root for his.

[acb]

KG ur a credible poster in here but on this the guy is right, Hatton, Calz, Kessler etc get a LOT more critizism from america then americans fighter get from europe public, Americans are simply too proud sometime to admit theyre not the best out there

I think Hatton takes a shlacking here at ESB, at least since the Collazo fight. Calzaghe gets criticism based on who people he percieves to be ducking. Kessler, I dont know, I think he gets a lot more hype than criticism here.

[Butch Coolidge]

You also have to understand that most Americans are more familiar with Castillo than Hatton. Most of the time we only have a vague idea of a European based fighter's abilities. And of course, a lot of boxing writers won't give a milkfaced pug any propers anyway.

[Lampley]

KG ur a credible poster in here but on this the guy is right, Hatton, Calz, Kessler etc get a LOT more critizism from america then americans fighter get from europe public, Americans are simply too proud sometime to admit theyre not the best out there

This is BS. The American fans here are less patriotic about their fighters than those of any other country, from what I see. Lots of American fans dislike Mayweather, and virtually everyone here hates on Spinks. Can't find many Jermain Taylor fans (such as myself) owning up these days, either. Boxing is a fringe sport in the United States, the media don't support it, so the fighters here typically stand for anything more important the way Pacquiao does and all the Mexicans, Hatton, et al.

[KillerInstinct]

Shit man, maybe I don't like Hatton because of his grab and punch type style. Maybe it has nothing to do with him being British? Nope, you are right, I don't like Hatton's style cause I'm an American...that makes complete sense.

Hatton had a good win and he obviously has a lot of talent, but boy he was stupid last night. He didn't even need to grab JLC, he was most effective when he was fighting on the inside and throwing punches. He really does neglect his footwork and handspeed when he does all this grabbing crap. Anyway, I'm not a fan of the guy's style..it's a better version of a "prime" Ruiz.

[the_what]

Castillo is Mexican, idiot. Do you even know how Americans treat Mexicans in this country?

If anybody is bashing Hatton, its Mexican fans. And the occasional Mayweather fans.

[Butch Coolidge]

I don't like Hatton because MAN UNITED RULES!













Just kidding.

[Club Fighter]

Dude, it's as simple as this. If the waitress says Normandy's in Scotland, than Normandy's in Scotland. And if Normandy isn't in Scotland than, by God, by the time we're done with it, it will be.

On a serious note. Some people may view my posts and claim that I do Hatton bashing. This is not so. I merely tell it like it is regarding him. If that makes me guilty of bashing then so be it. I must also be guilty of bashing Jermain Taylor, Shannon Briggs, Acelino Freitas, Jason Litzau, O'Neil Bell, Cory Spinks, etc. Apparently you do not take exception to this because you don't cry when this occurs. To put it succinctly, you UK'ers are amounting to nothing more than whiners with tunnel vision. :| Nobody likes a crybaby. :boohoo :crybby :crybaby

[fatcity]

Hook and hold.Hook and hold.Hatton's act is getting old and he is building his rep on old diminished half shot fighters with a reputation.Let him fight somebody(anybody) who is in their prime-not past it.:-(

[kg0208]

KG ur a credible poster in here but on this the guy is right, Hatton, Calz, Kessler etc get a LOT more critizism from america then americans fighter get from europe public, Americans are simply too proud sometime to admit theyre not the best out there

Americans bash there elite fighters FAR more than anyone else does. PBF, Jones, Taylor, DLH, etc. We bash our fighters much more than any other country bashes their own fighters IMO.

Hatton and Calzaghe get bashed for very credible reasons. Hatton between the KT and Castillo fights by his own admission looked horrible. Combine that with the fact that Brits were pushing enormously hard after the KT fight that he could beat PBF (then he turned him down) it certainly left him open to bashing. Calzaghe needs no explanation.

Kessler? Kessler isn't bashed by Americans. He is bashed by Calzaghe fans. I don't recall many Americans saying anything about Kessler.

I feel that Americans are often targeted because we are the easy target. We no more overrate our fighters then any other country IMO. The whole source of this is that other countries want us to rate their fighters as high as they do....whilst they continue to bash our fighters (who really aren't that good as a whole anymore) at the same time. Two way street.

[maracho]

So 1 waitress you met was dumb, therefore the entire country is :huh :huh :huh :huh

How many graduates do you have waiting tables up there in Scotland? Seriously, you need to get a grip of yourself.

As for Hatton ducking nobody, well he's ducked Junior Witter his entire career, and Mayweather TWICE so far. And this is coming from a Brit.

Perfect post!

[Lacyace]

I like how when someone not american gets bashed it's american arrogance when the most hated fighters ARE american. PBF, Spinks, Tarver, Shannon Briggs, Rahman, and now Jermain Taylor.....The list goes on.

[psychopath]

I like how when someone not american gets bashed it's american arrogance when the most hated fighters ARE american. PBF, Spinks, Tarver, Shannon Briggs, Rahman, and now Jermain Taylor.....The list goes on.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hit the nail right on the head. :yep

The thread starter maybe getting blinded by his uncompromising love to "the hugman" Hatton. :hey

[maracho]

Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.

Waitresses deserve repect but why would anyone use them as an example of worldly wisdom. Should we Americans also believe that all Brits are soft-n-pasty like the Manchester hooligans we saw last night?:rofl

[Boinko]

In defense of the Americans on this board (even though I'm not one of them), Hatton is by no means the only fighter on this board to get bashed after winning a fight.
Just look at the abuse Mayweather gets on a daily basis.

In my experience stupidity is not defined by borders. There are dumb people everywhere.
And smart ones too!

[psychopath]

Looking at all the threads and posts since the fight I find myself laughing but not surprised at the usual abuse aimed at hatton.To all my american neighbours who give credit where credit is due and are embarrassed by their fellow brothers comments pour yourself a dram o the finest malt whiskey (im fae scotland) and have a toast to yourself this opion is not aimed towards you.
How dare other countries have better sportsmen than the good old USA this attitude is rife throughout the country,It was the same brigade who thought lacy was just going to have to turn up and fight Joe who?He's a bum never heard of him lacy easy within 6 :patsch :yep :yep :yep .
Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.
I know its a rant and Im going to piss off a load of people who cant handle the truth that is not my aim I love watching american fights and fighters it is where the scene is at.I cant stand PBF as a person all his trash talk and shit the guy really has no class outside the ring but you cant question his skills and speed which are awesome but not to keen on his style but it works for him.Now why can't a load of the USA fanbase not manage an un biased opion of a fighter who hasn't ducked anyone fought the best and won irrespective of their personal allegiance's towards another fighter.comment please


Comment? Why don't you just quit this site and post in an all Euro boxing forum. :think

Stop crying and whinning like a little bitch! :|

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[Expert]

Hook and hold.Hook and hold.Hatton's act is getting old and he is building his rep on old diminished half shot fighters with a reputation.Let him fight somebody(anybody) who is in their prime-not past it.:-(


i dont think we'll ever see Hatton taking on somebody who is in there prime.

[Jason997]

Hatton is solid. Can't wait to see him fight again, but as an arrogant American I would prefer that his fans be banned from the premises in any Hatton fight on U.S. soil. ;)

[Farmboxer]

Hatton's shot to the liver was awesome!

[Cachibatches]

Here is one AMerican who gives Hatton a lot of credit.

He beat an all time great fighter for his title, jumped up and picked up another, and just beat another near great. Yeah, the fighters in question could have been younger, but Hatton is openly calling out the generally recognized PFP best figher in the sport.

Balls like a brass monkey, if you ask me.

[smokey]

Hatton beat Castillo, like I and most serious fans and analysts predicted he would. Castillo looked shot in his last two weak wins against mediocre opposition. My main question was if Hatton's lifestyle was catching up to him. Apparently it's not.

However, I'm not going to say that this win over an over an aging veteran who saw his best days at 135, pushing around smaller guys, is a career defining win. I'm sure Hatton wouldn't WANT this to be a career defining fight, because that would mean that he defined his career by beating up smaller, older veterans. Out of respect I should say this win is more than I said it would be before the fight? If Castillo won that fight, I would have been VERY surprised.

I also would like to see Hatton go against a genuine threat in their prime... but at 140 who is there? Witter? Vivian Harris? I don't think he'll EVER fight Witter, and Harris has shown how defeatable he is to anyone who can take him late in the fight numerous times. At 147, there are some seriously big Welters that I don't think Hatton should even be in the ring with. Margo and Cotto are the types of fighters that will put career altering hurt on Hatton. Mayweather will NEVER fight him, because he's a bitch.

[Carlos Primera]

Comment? Why don't you just quit this site and post in an all Euro boxing forum. :think

Stop crying and whinning like a little bitch! :|

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:
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[Expert]

Hatton beat Castillo, like I and most serious fans and analysts predicted he would. Castillo looked shot in his last two weak wins against mediocre opposition. My main question was if Hatton's lifestyle was catching up to him. Apparently it's not.

However, I'm not going to say that this win over an over an aging veteran who saw his best days at 135, pushing around smaller guys, is a career defining win. I'm sure Hatton wouldn't WANT this to be a career defining fight, because that would mean that he defined his career by beating up smaller, older veterans. Out of respect I should say this win is more than I said it would be before the fight? If Castillo won that fight, I would have been VERY surprised.

I also would like to see Hatton go against a genuine threat in their prime... but at 140 who is there? Witter? Vivian Harris? I don't think he'll EVER fight Witter, and Harris has shown how defeatable he is to anyone who can take him late in the fight numerous times. At 147, there are some seriously big Welters that I don't think Hatton should even be in the ring with. Margo and Cotto are the types of fighters that will put career altering hurt on Hatton. Mayweather will NEVER fight him, because he's a bitch.

this is true, who is in there prime at 140?

who?

cos Hatton wont fight at 147 again.

[grayggr]

So 1 waitress you met was dumb, therefore the entire country is :huh :huh :huh :huh

How many graduates do you have waiting tables up there in Scotland? Seriously, you need to get a grip of yourself.

As for Hatton ducking nobody, well he's ducked Junior Witter his entire career, and Mayweather TWICE so far. And this is coming from a Brit.

Ducked Junior Witter??

Man that point of view is seriously lame. Hatton would murder Witter, Witter is not in Hatton's league. He doesn't need to fight and has never needed to fight Witter to prove anything. Why would a man who beat one of the best ever 140lb fighters and a world class ex 135lber need Junior Witter on their resume????

Junior Witter is a disrespectul B class fighter at best. For too long he has ridden on the Hatton's coat tail. I imagine when he's in his 70's he'll still be calling out Hatton.

I for one wish the fight would be made just to see him knocked out in the mid rounds. Although Witter is probably shot now and past his prime of course

[smokey]

this is true, who is in there prime at 140?

who?

cos Hatton wont fight at 147 again.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are good young fighters floating around at 140, but right now I don't see anyone who's built the reputation to be an impressive win for Hatton. It's not his fault that there just aren't that many 140 pounders with an impressive resume. His best fights are probably taking more 135 pounders moving up.... but there's the problem. There are more money fights at 135 than 140. 140 is just a bad weight to be at right now.

If Hatton wants to really make a legacy kind of mark, it's going to in a superfight at 147. If he takes one of the big welters and loses, most fans aren't going to give the guy who beat him a lot of credit due to how weak he looked in his single 147 fight. So what welter would want to risk it when they can aim for other established 147 opponents?

I think a fight with Mosley would be good. Mosley is a small 147.

[BOOKA]

I think Hatton takes a shlacking here at ESB, at least since the Collazo fight. Calzaghe gets criticism based on who people he percieves to be ducking. Kessler, I dont know, I think he gets a lot more hype than criticism here.

It makes me laugh the amount of people on here tho who seem to know 100% that someone ' ducked ' anotehr fighter, like they personally know thefighter lol

making fights is not always a simple process

hatton beat castillo fair and square, anyone who bitches amount clinching and holding needs to find another sport and realise boxing is not a tickling match.

and hatton was the first person to make castillo take a 10 count

and whatever you say, they aren't many other in the bracket who wouldve have done castillo in 4, certainly not mayweather.

[maracho]

good thread. yanks are like little birds.....all mouth and full of shit!

Hmm Fenech, Mundine.....is that all ya got down under there?:huh :lol:

[Triplesod]

Waitresses deserve repect but why would anyone use them as an example of worldly wisdom. Should we Americans also believe that all Brits are soft-n-pasty like the Manchester hooligans we saw last night?:rofl

Why the fuck were they hoolis? Did they batter the Mexicans? Did it go off anywhere inside or outside the stadium? Any fights arranged pre-Hatton fight?

No! They just sung a bit and they didn't even sing the abusive or violent songs you hear at football matches.

Fucking hooligans! You haven't got a clue!

[David UK]

Hatton is solid. Can't wait to see him fight again, but as an arrogant American I would prefer that his fans be banned from the premises in any Hatton fight on U.S. soil. ;)

Next time Hatton fights in America you can guarantee there will be even MORE Hatton fans:D

[China_hand_Joe]

Why the fuck were they hoolis? Did they batter the Mexicans? Did it go off anywhere inside or outside the stadium? Any fights arranged pre-Hatton fight?

No! They just sung a bit and they didn't even sing the abusive or violent songs you hear at football matches.

Fucking hooligans! You haven't got a clue!Perfect post. Hatton fans are happy drunks not violent, butter, skinhead drunks that Ricky would dis-own.

[Korn_06]

Looking at all the threads and posts since the fight I find myself laughing but not surprised at the usual abuse aimed at hatton.To all my american neighbours who give credit where credit is due and are embarrassed by their fellow brothers comments pour yourself a dram o the finest malt whiskey (im fae scotland) and have a toast to yourself this opion is not aimed towards you.
How dare other countries have better sportsmen than the good old USA this attitude is rife throughout the country,It was the same brigade who thought lacy was just going to have to turn up and fight Joe who?He's a bum never heard of him lacy easy within 6 :patsch :yep :yep :yep .
Its is typical american arrogance they dont want to know what is outside the USA cause its the centre of the fucking universe and they are always right.example I was sitting in a restaurant in florida the waitress hears my scottish voice."Oh my father loved scotland he still has a whisky every night before he goes to sleep he was based there just after ww2""OHH really where was he based?" "In Normandy?" "Ah sorry you must be mistaken Normandy is in FRANCE" "NO NO Normandy is in Scotland" "No i live in Scotland and honest Normandy is France" "Well your WRONG I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NORMANDY IS SCOTLAND!" at this point she was getting rather pissed off so I just left it.I just thought perfect example of USA narrow vision.
I know its a rant and Im going to piss off a load of people who cant handle the truth that is not my aim I love watching american fights and fighters it is where the scene is at.I cant stand PBF as a person all his trash talk and shit the guy really has no class outside the ring but you cant question his skills and speed which are awesome but not to keen on his style but it works for him.Now why can't a load of the USA fanbase not manage an un biased opion of a fighter who hasn't ducked anyone fought the best and won irrespective of their personal allegiance's towards another fighter.comment please

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[Boro chris]

Why the fuck were they hoolis? Did they batter the Mexicans? Did it go off anywhere inside or outside the stadium? Any fights arranged pre-Hatton fight?

No! They just sung a bit and they didn't even sing the abusive or violent songs you hear at football matches.

Fucking hooligans! You haven't got a clue!

Your first ever post and its in furious response to somone who pissed you off.
Welcome to life at ESB! Now try the Lounge forum.:smoke

[K0NPHL1C7]

Why does it always come down to "American Arrogance"? We're not allowed to critique a European fighter without being deemed "arrogant", but you Britts are allowed to have blind love for fighters based solely on National Pride to the point where you refuse to admit the fighter might not be the best. Face it, regardless of where he is from Hatton is a dirty fighter who uses excessive clinching and wrestling to force his opponents into submission.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Floyd uses excessive running, he would be better off on the track, why dont you blaze the guy for it? Fact is, a British fighter has to do more than an American/Mexican/P-Rican fighter to get the same props from the US media.

Not at all, Hatton is more loved by the US Media than Floyd, and noone more loved than Oscar...

And Defensive fighting, avoiding blows, stick and move, THATS FUCKING BOXING, grappling, wrestling, throwing oponants and headbutting, THATS NOT.

Do you shit on Ruiz at all? He's an American fighter who get's "blazed" by just about everyone for his clinching, yet in his last 4 fights he's initiated almost no grabs, whereas Hatton hasn't thrown a shot without a clinch.

[cableguy]

Personally i dont see how any of us posters have the right to hate on any fighters. Yes you may not like a boxers style, his attitude or his level of competition, but bottom line is everyone of these guys puts their lives on the line everytime they step through the ropes....and its all done for OUR VIEWING PLEASURE.

If you dont like watching a fighter then switch the fucking tv off!

[K0NPHL1C7]

Hatton ties you up against the ropes then throws and throws, which is better than punch punch run, punch punch run which PBF adopts

No it is not. Stick and move, that's the key to the sport. You're watching the worng sport man, UFC is on Spike TV now.

[madpup]

Check out the British forum....there are plenty of people bashing Hatton and Calzaghe there. Why bring nationality into it?

Boxing is a sport where hater and nuthugger fans thrive, thats how it always been and that how it always will be.

[Triplesod]

Your first ever post and its in furious response to somone who pissed you off.
Welcome to life at ESB! Now try the Lounge forum.:smoke
Hehe. Thankyou for your welcome.

I apologise if my post came across as me being furious, that wasn't the intention I just think it is completely unfair to label these great British Hatton followers as hooligans. I understand that American has never seen any real kind of sports hooliganism before, so I will give the poster the benefit of the doubt but hooliganism is really not happy and friendly but load and rawcus support! Hooliganism is vicious and terrifying mass violence, all out fighting between 2 groups of support, large scale street fighting where people absolutely get the shite kicked out of them, stabbed or slashed, bricked, etc etc, occasionally killed. To compare Hattons support with those low life scum is unfair and disrespectful...

But talking about disrespect, I did not mean to be disrespectful to the poster I quoted, I apologise that my post came across with such vitriol. I was annoyed by the post but I should understand the posters ignorance.

Hattons support, great as it was, was typical. It is the British culture and it was undertaken in a polite, respectful way. Atmosphere is all in sport and when you see a football game in Britain, Italy, Argentina, etc etc you can see just how important that support is and just how beautiful and almost physical the atmosphere feels.

Thanks again for the (possibly somewhat sarcastic or facetious) welcome;):good

P.s. I should maybe leave this for another thread but seeing as I am posting I will add it here. I am from Hyde, the same town as Rick (infact he lives just down my road). Hyde is quite a poor town with a lot of crime (Most Americans think Britain is a happy, bouncy, Mary Poppins esque fairy tale country, with no crime only polite, sexuelly repressed people squeeking out upper class accents but that could not be further from the truth. Britain has the highest crime rates in the developed world - which the American media and news programs took great pride in detailing when the crime stats were released:-) -, much higher than America in everything from violent crime to burglary. American does have worse murder and rape rates though) and drugs but Ricky remains here, in the town he has grown up in, with his friends and family. He really is as down to earth as a person could possibly get. I know him reasonably well and I can tell you with complete honesty he is a really lovely guy! A friendlier person you would struggle to find. He hasn't changed one bit since he first started boxing. If you could know about James, the little lad he has looked after since he met him, throughout his illness (which was terminal), after his mother died... I dunno, he is just a very very special person and we should all (Britain, America and elsewhere) feel very proud and glad we have him!

[Bazooka]

So not liking hattons style makes us ignorant now? please this thread is the ignorance

[Triplesod]

And we, the canadian, are we cool :D

Cool as your climate!

[Triplesod]

So not liking hattons style makes us ignorant now? please this thread is the ignorance

To be fair mate, he said it was arrogance, not ignorance.

[mikepx]

This should suit your cause

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Cheers:good :good :good my sides are sore with laughing you know exactly what im on about.Have a beer on me :happy :happy

[Expert]

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are good young fighters floating around at 140, but right now I don't see anyone who's built the reputation to be an impressive win for Hatton. It's not his fault that there just aren't that many 140 pounders with an impressive resume. His best fights are probably taking more 135 pounders moving up.... but there's the problem. There are more money fights at 135 than 140. 140 is just a bad weight to be at right now.

If Hatton wants to really make a legacy kind of mark, it's going to in a superfight at 147. If he takes one of the big welters and loses, most fans aren't going to give the guy who beat him a lot of credit due to how weak he looked in his single 147 fight. So what welter would want to risk it when they can aim for other established 147 opponents?

I think a fight with Mosley would be good. Mosley is a small 147.


Hatton taking on Mosley at 147??????

Lets be honest, I just don't see Hatton moving up to take on someone like Mosley at 147 (it wont happen), but it's true, Mosley is a small 147.

[Fighting Weight]

Ducked Junior Witter??

Man that point of view is seriously lame. Hatton would murder Witter, Witter is not in Hatton's league. He doesn't need to fight and has never needed to fight Witter to prove anything. Why would a man who beat one of the best ever 140lb fighters and a world class ex 135lber need Junior Witter on their resume????

Junior Witter is a disrespectul B class fighter at best. For too long he has ridden on the Hatton's coat tail. I imagine when he's in his 70's he'll still be calling out Hatton.

I for one wish the fight would be made just to see him knocked out in the mid rounds. Although Witter is probably shot now and past his prime of course

No Witter is not shot and past his prime - but you can rest assured that's exactly what Hattons waiting for :deal

Hatton would murder Witter, Hatton would knock him out in the mid-rounds, etc etc etc. Same shit you get from the Calslappy fans - coulda, woulda, shoulda.

[Fighting Weight]

Hatton taking on Mosley at 147??????

Lets be honest, I just don't see Hatton moving up to take on someone like Mosley at 147 (it wont happen), but it's true, Mosley is a small 147.

He's also exactly the right age too :yep

[maracho]

Why the fuck were they hoolis? Did they batter the Mexicans? Did it go off anywhere inside or outside the stadium? Any fights arranged pre-Hatton fight?

No! They just sung a bit and they didn't even sing the abusive or violent songs you hear at football matches.

Fucking hooligans! You haven't got a clue!

Well your judging us by our waitresses is more clueless than calling those chanters hooligans. If you cant take it dont start it.

Maybe your OP shoulda took his scottish accent and nostalgia down to the pier or better yet to Miami's Liberty city in order to get a more unbiased opinion of our country.

[maracho]

Cheers:good :good :good my sides are sore with laughing you know exactly what im on about.Have a beer on me :happy :happy

Yeah but he only interviewed left wing liberals and the Floyd and Oscar type groupies

[maracho]

Not at all, Hatton is more loved by the US Media than Floyd, and noone more loved than Oscar...

And Defensive fighting, avoiding blows, stick and move, THATS FUCKING BOXING, grappling, wrestling, throwing oponants and headbutting, THATS NOT.

Do you shit on Ruiz at all? He's an American fighter who get's "blazed" by just about everyone for his clinching, yet in his last 4 fights he's initiated almost no grabs, whereas Hatton hasn't thrown a shot without a clinch.

Thats right, the average fan loves Hatton but the boxing fanatic often sees things more constructively.

But any American boxer no matter how good will get booed to death in Manchester.

[Lance_Uppercut]

90% of the Hatton bashing are by ignorant Mayweather fans....they don't represent all American fans.

[Expert]

He's also exactly the right age too :yep

a bit old and past his prime, rite?

[pipe wrenched]

Don't generalize me. I came in here after cheering for a Mexican fighter and said Congratulations to Hatton and his fans for a great victory.

[Silver]

90% of the Hatton bashing are by ignorant Mayweather fans....they don't represent all American fans.you sure its that many? some just dont like his style. to each their own.

[nervousxtian]

Shit, who the hell things Floyd is well loved by Americans? I'd say he's one of the, if not the most, hated fighters out there today.

The only guy who get's anywhere near the same venom that Floyd get's would be John Ruiz.

The only arrogance I see is from the damn Brits who can't take criticism about one of their fighters.

Most Americans don't dislike Euro's just because they are Euro's, we just don't know them, because they get no airplay on American TV. Your fights start at like 1pm on the West Coast for christ sakes...

We tend to root for Mexicans, Candadians, and Americans.. because that's whats shown, that's who fights here, it's who we are exposed too.

[Fighting Weight]

a bit old and past his prime, rite?

Yep by at least 5 years, just like Kostya and Castillo :deal

[Expert]

Yep by at least 5 years, just like Kostya and Castillo :deal


yes, very good point.

[teetop]

You also have to understand that most Americans are more familiar with Castillo than Hatton. Most of the time we only have a vague idea of a European based fighter's abilities. And of course, a lot of boxing writers won't give a milkfaced pug any propers anyway.

Wrong. Nobody i know has heard of castillo, but they've all heard of the hitman.

[Triplesod]

Well your judging us by our waitresses is more clueless than calling those chanters hooligans. If you cant take it dont start it.

Show us where I mentioned anything about waitresses mate. Go on, you have all day. You can even search other forums to see if I have ever mentioned a waitress at any point I have been online.

Find one mention and I will go down town in a waitress uniform and post pictures on here for your viewing (and possibly wanking) pleasure.

EDIT: "Don't start it"? You're insane!

[Guru_Too_You]

Hatton ties you up against the ropes then throws and throws, which is better than punch punch run, punch punch run which PBF adopts

And one is illegal while the other is not.

[Guru_Too_You]

Tieing an opponent up is not illegal, holding them is illegal, sticking your head into thier shoulder and throwing uppercuts while stopping them moving is not illegal!

LOL.

OK buddy.

And you fools across the pond have the nerve to criticize American Arrogance. You cant even admit that your boy holds excessively when everyone else in the world can.

[bill poster]

I would rather see less holding but the action was non-stop you can't deny that

[Guru_Too_You]

I would rather see less holding but the action was non-stop you can't deny that

The action stopped every five seconds. Hardly non-stop.

[buddynabuick]

I have ONLY read this first post and going to comment on just the first post. I can only imagine the rst of the comments in this thread.

I would first like to say that I think you are being a bit too judgemental about the US and forming more of a stereotypical view. I do agree that the moron that you eluded to in your Normandy story is just that, an ignorant moron. However, to say that she is that way because she is American or that all Americans are this way is completely wrong. Being an ignorant moron is an equal opportunity position. There are morons all over the planet. They all do not live in one place, have the same religion, or are of the same ethnicity. There are stupid people all over the world. Unfortunately, you just ran into one of them.

As for fughting, I do say taht Ricky Hatton is a good fighter. I was very surprised when he beat Kostya. I give him much credit, and say that he is the best at 140 hands down. I will NOT say that he is an ATG or HOF type boxer as of now. I would say thae same of Calzaghe. Your description of the Calzaghe vs Lacy fight was off base IMO. I think the attitude in the US was that Lacy would win, but was based off of Calzaghe being an unknown, fighting unknown opponents. We have seen time and time again Euro fighters coming to America with outstanding and/or undefeated records built in EU only to get demolished in their appearances in the US. I think it is safe to say that overall, the fight scene in the US has been far superior to the fighting in EU for at least the past 20 years. I am not saying American fighters only, I mean ANY fighters that have been in the US boxing world. So I think the track record of inflated wins from EU and the KO power of Lacy made many people feel that Calzaghe was just another guy that strung wins together in EU with no competition or high level opponents. His record may or may not be filled with little quality opponents, but he showed his talents in the ring which is where it counts.

I am not afraid to admit that I was wrong and Calzaghe did an outstanding job, as well as he is the best at 168. I do NOT believe that Americans were so arrogant to judge this pre-fight, I think the circumstances I described were the major factor, which is not unreasonable. Now the right thing to do is to admit that you were wrong if you predicted Lacy to dominate Calzaghe.

So overall I do recognize some of your points, but I also think some of them are misplaced. We are talking about people here, so there are no exacts.


Well said! I am American and I love brits/english as most people I know do. But then I think there is something redeeming in nationallities :good

[bill poster]

Depends on your definition-Hatton was coming forward all the time, Castillo was also tying him up- I would say there was plenty of action nevertheless