Kessler will beat Calzaghe, I have come to realise this.

[Amsterdam]

After careful analysation of the most serious type, I have come to the conclusion that Kessler will in fact beat Joe Calzaghe on November 3rd.

This is because....

Actually, sorry, I am lying, Kessler will get absolutely thrashed. But there are more pressing matters at hand to be discussed and NOW that I have your attention, let's talk about the common idiocy that 'Jermain Taylor can take a shot'.

I realise my Taylor apologising buddies that he has never been down, but he has been effected by light hitting fighters, put on queer street by a guy who was never a puncher to begin with and buzzed multiple times by a P4P in Wright, but a guy who has no power what so ever. Just because a fighter has not been down does not mean that significant evidence for chin checking, such as what Zakman and I do, exists.

Boxing fans fail to realise even the easiest factors to spot, such as the above. Is it any coincidence that he's only been in with light hitting fighters since Hopkins and Wright? And on top of it, two light hitting smaller guys that he was supposed to WASTE for 'showcase KO's', but two light hitting small guys who had him backing up at times and it's not like either of them were elite fighters anyway with Spinks and Ouma.

This is your Jermain Taylor and he's about to get destroyed, yet with most of the 'impartial' crew, he's the favourite. When has he ever had good defensive skills also?:lol:

It's just hilarious, it's unbelievable and it absolutely drives me banana's.:nut

When he falls, I am going to be jumping in joy, time to cash out HBO and DiBella.

[McGrain]

:lol: :admin

[ThePlugInBabies]

damn. i thought you were going for the 'talk kessler up so when calzaghe wins, his victory seems even more impressive' angle.

[Boro chris]

After careful analysation of the most serious type, I have come to the conclusion that Kessler will in fact beat Joe Calzaghe on November 3rd.

This is because....

Actually, sorry, I am lying, Kessler will get absolutely thrashed. But there are more pressing matters at hand to be discussed and NOW that I have your attention, let's talk about the common idiocy that 'Jermain Taylor can take a shot'.

I realise my Taylor apologising buddies that he has never been down, but he has been effected by light hitting fighters, put on queer street by a guy who was never a puncher to begin with and buzzed multiple times by a P4P in Wright, but a guy who has no power what so ever. Just because a fighter has not been down does not mean that significant evidence for chin checking, such as what Zakman and I do, exists.

Boxing fans fail to realise even the easiest factors to spot, such as the above. Is it any coincidence that he's only been in with light hitting fighters since Hopkins and Wright? And on top of it, two light hitting smaller guys that he was supposed to WASTE for 'showcase KO's', but two light hitting small guys who had him backing up at times and it's not like either of them were elite fighters anyway with Spinks and Ouma.

This is your Jermain Taylor and he's about to get destroyed, yet with most of the 'impartial' crew, he's the favourite. When has he ever had good defensive skills also?:lol:

It's just hilarious, it's unbelievable and it absolutely drives me banana's.:nut

When he falls, I am going to be jumping in joy, time to cash out HBO and DiBella.

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Go on admit it Amsterdam! This makes ya kinda hot!!:smoke

[lillarry]

Taylor UD or late TKO. Amsterdam enjoy your 6 month vacation:hi:

[Amsterdam]

I suppose the fucking Taylor apologists think because Wright is P4P ranked, that it makes his punches automatically harder than Pavlik's, especially since Wright was able to buzz him and own him against the ropes at times, indicative that Wright's feather dusters were having effect.

I guess Wright's featherdusters are upgraded to bombs just because he's P4P ranked and because Pavlik is not, his bombs are just B level bombs, not A level feather dusters that tend to knock guys out.

:patsch

[McGrain]

I honestly never thought that I'd see Jimmy Hill on ESB.

:lol:

[Boro chris]

I honestly never thought that I'd see Jimmy Hill on ESB.

He'll be hear every time there's a chin related thread!:D

[DanePugilist]

Motherfucker:rofl ... I just thought for a minute that you had seen another light.

[Amsterdam]

Motherfucker:rofl ... I just thought for a minute that you had seen another light.

Of course not, I stand by my decisions, by the way -

Back to discussion on Jermain Taylor, I can't wait to see him fall, brutally. Destructo-matic!:ko

[DanePugilist]

The only thing that bothers me, is that I have to wait 1 year before I can dress Blocky up with a new suiting avatar:lol: .

I have one question though - can Taylor do a Bonecrusher Smith on Pavlik;holding for 12 rounds?

We all have to assume, that Taylor is still in favor of the judges, nothing else has indicated anything else. Is Pavlik more markable goods than Taylor?

Who has the biggest chance of winning against the Euro, Arthur Abraham?

[Amsterdam]

The only thing that bothers me, is that I have to wait 1 year before I can dress Blocky up with a new suiting avatar:lol: .

I have one question though - can Taylor do a Bonecrusher Smith on Pavlik;holding for 12 rounds?

We all have to assume, that Taylor is still in favor of the judges, nothing else has indicated anything else. Is Pavlik more markable goods than Taylor?

Who has the biggest chance of winning against the Euro, Arthur Abraham?

No, Taylor has never been a holder, he also has bad survival skills, he is done.

Pavlik is more marketable, he's just a B level pressure boxer-puncher with good power and heart/chin, he'll be annihilated by a true elite and that will gain the underrated elite some regard.:D

Abraham/Pavlik is 50/50, both are high B's in my opinion.

[DanePugilist]

No, Taylor has never been a holder, he also has bad survival skills, he is done.

Pavlik is more marketable, he's just a B level pressure boxer-puncher with good power and heart/chin, he'll be annihilated by a true elite and that will gain the underrated elite some regard.:D

Abraham/Pavlik is 50/50, both are high B's in my opinion.Good answer, but hasn't Taylor always feared a big puncher? Since he is now "forced" into fighting one, wouldn't this alter his usual gameplan?

50/50 sounds about right concerning AA and Pavlik.

[Amsterdam]

Good answer, but hasn't Taylor always feared a big puncher? Since he is now "forced" into fighting one, wouldn't this alter his usual gameplan?

50/50 sounds about right concerning AA and Pavlik.

He's not a smart fighter, plain and simple and pressure is his worst nightmare, do the math.

I respect AA and Pavlik, it's a 50/50 bout, though I feel AA hits harder and would end Taylor earlier IMO. It may or may not take a few rounds for Pavlik's pressure to set in, so I am not predicting an early blowout, but a mid rounds 'catch up' KO.

Pavlik is a dead certainty though.

[DanePugilist]

He's not a smart fighter, plain and simple and pressure is his worst nightmare, do the math.

I respect AA and Pavlik, it's a 50/50 bout, though I feel AA hits harder and would end Taylor earlier IMO. It may or may not take a few rounds for Pavlik's pressure to set in, so I am not predicting an early blowout, but a mid rounds 'catch up' KO.

Pavlik is a dead certainty though.Yes, you are right, nothing thus far has indicated that he can fight smart. Quite the opposite.

Thanks for ironing out the last remnants of Taylors hope to win this one.

[Amsterdam]

Yes, you are right, nothing thus far has indicated that he can fight smart. Quite the opposite.

Thanks for ironing out the last remnants of Taylors hope to win this one.

My pleasure, now drop your cash on Pavlik so you can continue gaining.:p

[pipe wrenched]

As the fight is getting closer I wonder what Taylor's plan will be. He surely can't let Pav back him in a corner and bomb away like Wink did. I get a sick gut feeling that Manny will have JT in a jab and grab mode similiar to that which he has Wlad doing. Not that it would be a bad idea to keep from getting bombed on, but it may make the fight a stinker.

Pavlik ko 7.

[Brickhaus]

Who's disputed that Taylor's chin isn't rock solid? Only thing I've seen is that his chin isn't glass (as some here claim). His chin is solid average to a little below average. He was hurt by Winky because he was fatigued. Yes, he hasn't fought big punchers. Whether he's intentionally avoided them is another question. This fight should answer a lot of questions either way. If Taylor goes out like a light, then I'll give you props on this one, but I do think Taylor's chin is slightly better than you're giving him credit for.

What I HAVE disputed is that he folds under pressure, and I still have yet to see the evidence that he does so. Every time I ask the question, the Taylor haters avoid it. Once again, I DON'T LIKE TAYLOR EITHER. I'm rooting for Pavlik. I just think that because Taylor is overrated by some, others here are wildly underrating him to compensate.

Props for the intro though. That was high comedy :rofl:rofl

[Ambition_Def]

As the fight is getting closer I wonder what Taylor's plan will be. He surely can't let Pav back him in a corner and bomb away like Wink did. I get a sick gut feeling that Manny will have JT in a jab and grab mode similiar to that which he has Wlad doing. Not that it would be a bad idea to keep from getting bombed on, but it may make the fight a stinker.

Knowing Manny that's exactly what they are working on. I hope it gets Taylor knocked out in the process.

[Amsterdam]

Who's disputed that Taylor's chin isn't rock solid? Only thing I've seen is that his chin isn't glass (as some here claim). His chin is solid average to a little below average. He was hurt by Winky because he was fatigued. Yes, he hasn't fought big punchers. Whether he's intentionally avoided them is another question. This fight should answer a lot of questions either way. If Taylor goes out like a light, then I'll give you props on this one, but I do think Taylor's chin is slightly better than you're giving him credit for.

What I HAVE disputed is that he folds under pressure, and I still have yet to see the evidence that he does so. Every time I ask the question, the Taylor haters avoid it. Once again, I DON'T LIKE TAYLOR EITHER. I'm rooting for Pavlik. I just think that because Taylor is overrated by some, others here are wildly underrating him to compensate.

Props for the intro though. That was high comedy :rofl:rofl

Ouma and Wright pressured and while Wright is highly skilled, he lacks the size comparison of a larger pressure guy and certainly lacks the punching power, Taylor loses his game plan under pressure, drops his defense, has poor survival skills and while he has heart, he's not intelligent in the ring and cannot deal with a guy on him all night.

Ouma had him up against the ropes so many times, it was just ridiculous, as did Wright.

Now imagine a bigger pressure guy, like Andrade, whether you think Andrade's skilled or not at his own style, he pressure's well and is no less skilled than Ouma, but larger, with equal stamina, near the workrate and a titanium chin with power.

Pavlik's more skilled than Andrade, just less chin and less stamina, I'd say less power also.

But everyone is so quick to pick Taylor over Andrade, it's absurd.

[Brickhaus]

Ouma and Wright pressured and while Wright is highly skilled, he lacks the size comparison of a larger pressure guy and certainly lacks the punching power, Taylor loses his game plan under pressure, drops his defense, has poor survival skills and while he has heart, he's not intelligent in the ring and cannot deal with a guy on him all night.

Ouma had him up against the ropes so many times, it was just ridiculous, as did Wright.

Now imagine a bigger pressure guy, like Andrade, whether you think Andrade's skilled or not at his own style, he pressure's well and is no less skilled than Ouma, but larger, with equal stamina, near the workrate and a titanium chin with power.

Pavlik's more skilled than Andrade, just less chin and less stamina, I'd say less power also.

But everyone is so quick to pick Taylor over Andrade, it's absurd.

But don't you think a fighter would handle pressure differently when he's facing someone whose punches aren't hurting him? Note how after Wright dazed him, he started to fight more aggressively. Taylor's strong suit (or at least he thinks his strong suit) is countering, and if you have a fighter pressuring you, there are a lot more opportunities to land effective counterpunches. As long as their punches weren't hurting him, he had the leeway to sit back, shell up, and land big counters which were more effective than much of the other fighters' pressure when the opportunity arose. Against someone who's a bigger puncher, I strongly suspect he won't feel comfortable taking that approach and will change his fight plan.

[brooklyn1550]

You had me going until the second sentence or so

[Toopretty]

Ouma and Wright pressured and while Wright is highly skilled, he lacks the size comparison of a larger pressure guy and certainly lacks the punching power, Taylor loses his game plan under pressure, drops his defense, has poor survival skills and while he has heart, he's not intelligent in the ring and cannot deal with a guy on him all night.

Ouma had him up against the ropes so many times, it was just ridiculous, as did Wright.

Now imagine a bigger pressure guy, like Andrade, whether you think Andrade's skilled or not at his own style, he pressure's well and is no less skilled than Ouma, but larger, with equal stamina, near the workrate and a titanium chin with power.

Pavlik's more skilled than Andrade, just less chin and less stamina, I'd say less power also.

But everyone is so quick to pick Taylor over Andrade, it's absurd.

Taylor would not be hit by andrade.andrade is slow as shit and Ouma has a smothering style not andrade who is slow as shit. Taylor wont hurt him but handle his ass in a tough fight. Man...get off Taylor's back..the guy is a good fighter.. I dont even like him. I criticized his ass years ago for droping that left hand like a retard like he is going to pull something out of his pocket. I was a Taylor hater...lol You have effectively converted me to a fan by your constant ridicule. You are a very very smart guy. I know you are doing this b/c me and you both know that Pavlik will KO him. It is not b/c he is a horrible fighter. But the mistakes Taylor does make will get him knocked out by a KO artist with a devastating str8 right hand like Pavlik. That has more power then anything Andrade throws might I add. Andrade has a steel chin his power aint shit. He was struggling to get a super hometown mediocre fighter out of there after hitting him with his whole arsenal.

[DanePugilist]

My pleasure, now drop your cash on Pavlik so you can continue gaining.:pYeah, I will... It's just a habit of mine to wait till just before the fight.

[heidegger]

After careful analysation of the most serious type, I have come to the conclusion that Kessler will in fact beat Joe Calzaghe on November 3rd.

This is because....

Actually, sorry, I am lying, Kessler will get absolutely thrashed. But there are more pressing matters at hand to be discussed and NOW that I have your attention, let's talk about the common idiocy that 'Jermain Taylor can take a shot'.

I realise my Taylor apologising buddies that he has never been down, but he has been effected by light hitting fighters, put on queer street by a guy who was never a puncher to begin with and buzzed multiple times by a P4P in Wright, but a guy who has no power what so ever. Just because a fighter has not been down does not mean that significant evidence for chin checking, such as what Zakman and I do, exists.

Boxing fans fail to realise even the easiest factors to spot, such as the above. Is it any coincidence that he's only been in with light hitting fighters since Hopkins and Wright? And on top of it, two light hitting smaller guys that he was supposed to WASTE for 'showcase KO's', but two light hitting small guys who had him backing up at times and it's not like either of them were elite fighters anyway with Spinks and Ouma.

This is your Jermain Taylor and he's about to get destroyed, yet with most of the 'impartial' crew, he's the favourite. When has he ever had good defensive skills also?:lol:

It's just hilarious, it's unbelievable and it absolutely drives me banana's.:nut

When he falls, I am going to be jumping in joy, time to cash out HBO and DiBella.

Kessler will beat Calzaghe and Taylor will beat Pavlik. I wonder if after both these things happens your learn to doubt the infallibility of your opinions or go on talking illconcieved garbage. Obviously the latter. Anyway, dont know which of your overrated punks im looking forward to seeing get smashed more. :)