Essexboy's Top 25 British Boxers

[essexboy]

Jimmy Wilde
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted 'Kid' Lewis
Jack 'Kid' Berg
Lennox Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Freddie Welsh
Jim Driscoll
Benny Lynch
Joe Calzaghe
Howard Winstone
Randy Turpin
Owen Moran
Alan Minter
Terry Downes
Naseem Hamed
Freddie Mills
Ricky Hatton
Lloyd Honeyghan
John H Stracey
John Conteh
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Herol Graham
Tommy Farr

Problem with the list? I dont care.

[essexboy]

Seriously opinions welcome.

[G.A.V.]

Needs more Frank Bruno.

[Jack Dempsey]

I like your top 9

[GPater11093]

Fitzsimmons is too low

please explain why Wilde is better than him

[brown bomber]

Too much Caveman love.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Conteh below Hatton, Downes and Minter? Not too much thought's gone into some of this methinks.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Too much Caveman love.

:yep

Yeah, it's a bit 'top heavy' in that respect.

[cupid]

Hatton above Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank:blood

[Beeston Brawler]

Lewis too low.

Conteh and Benn also low, Minter a bit high.

Agree with Jeff and MDWC regarding the general theme of overrating the cavemen.

:good

[TFFP]

Not bad, Hatton's above people he shouldn't be.

[essexboy]

Needs more Frank Bruno.

:rofl

Fitzsimmons is too low

please explain why Wilde is better than him

A case can be made for both but I'll go ahead and tell you the things you probably already know. Wilde was unbeaten through his prime and cleaned up all the world's best flyweights to become undisputed champ in a time where there really wasnt undisputed champs in the lighter weights. He was often lighter than his opponents and regularily knocked them out. Im not saying Fitzsimmons is shit by placing him second its just a matter of preference.

Conteh below Hatton, Downes and Minter? Not too much thought's gone into some of this methinks.

Conteh had more talent but didnt process it into achievements. Just cos your upset with one placing (and I can see why by your username) doesnt compromise the whole list. Hatton, Downes and Minter despite being less talented all got bigger names on their records and succeeded at a higher level for longer.

Too much Caveman love.

Our older fighters were better and more accomplished mostly. Lewis and Buchanan are highly placed.

Hatton above Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank:blood

You could make a case for Benn but what exactly has Eubank done to deserve a higher ranking? Hatton fought against the best guys in the division at a time when guys like Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather and Pacquiao were top of the division, quite simply Eubank didnt. I dont wanna keep slagging Eubank off because I enjoyed watching him fight but saying he deserves to be higher than Hatton who actually tried to make the most of his talents is unfair.

As for Benn, I love him and hes my favourite fighter ever and although he made more of an effort than Eubank he was a fight with McCallum, Toney, Nunn or Jones away from being higher.

[TFFP]

Only problem is Hatton just beat Tszyu, old ass Castillo and Collazo. They are his best wins.

Nothing better than what Eubank and Benn did to be honest. McClellan matches up alongside the win over Tszyu, so does Eubank's win over Benn, and the rest of their resumes are not much different.

Whether he got his ass kicked by Mayweather/Pac is irrelevant to be honest, its like saying Eubank or Benn would be higher if they fought Jones and got murdered. How does that help?

[JonOli]

Needs more Frank Bruno.

I know you're mocking, but...

To make a defence of Bruno, you could say he'd have a small chance against any HW H2H, or at least have a punchers chance.

I would't give some of those in the list any chance against the All Time Greats.

I guess that was the attraction with Frank.

[GazOC]

No offense EB but the list looks you lost interest in the order about a quarter of the way in and then just put names down as they came into your head.

[My dinner with Conteh]

:rofl



A case can be made for both but I'll go ahead and tell you the things you probably already know. Wilde was unbeaten through his prime and cleaned up all the world's best flyweights to become undisputed champ in a time where there really wasnt undisputed champs in the lighter weights. He was often lighter than his opponents and regularily knocked them out. Im not saying Fitzsimmons is shit by placing him second its just a matter of preference.



Conteh had more talent but didnt process it into achievements. Just cos your upset with one placing (and I can see why by your username) doesnt compromise the whole list. Hatton, Downes and Minter despite being less talented all got bigger names on their records and succeeded at a higher level for longer.

I'm upset? I couldn't give a fuck mate. :lol: You asked for opinions and I gave you some. I don't see how Minter succeeded at a higher level for longer when he was champ for five minutes? Minter's got bigger names on his records- but those bigge rnames usually beat him. In Hatton's case, are and Urango Maussa really a level above Yaqui Lopez? Of course he isn't, if you're going to be fooled by paper belts and fighters getting title opportunities at the drop of a hat, then good for you. Downes was a fly-by-night champion too. Clearly not the fighter Conteh was.

[bennie]

Swap Jock McAvoy for Herol "Horribly Awkward" Graham and you've got yourself a solid list.

[essexboy]

I'm upset? I couldn't give a fuck mate. :lol: You asked for opinions and I gave you some. I don't see how Minter succeeded at a higher level for longer when he was champ for five minutes? Minter's got bigger names on his records- but those bigge rnames usually beat him. In Hatton's case, are and Urango Maussa really a level above Yaqui Lopez? Of course he isn't, if you're going to be fooled by paper belts and fighters getting title opportunities at the drop of a hat, then good for you. Downes was a fly-by-night champion too. Clearly not the fighter Conteh was.

Okay man I think its a bit unfair to say Minter lost against the great fighters he fought when he beat Sugar Ray Seales, Emile Griffith and Vito Antuofermo twice and I never mentioned anything about Hatton's belts, your putting words in my mouth frankly I couldnt give a shit about them and could come back with a reposte but lets bury the hatchet. Us Brits need to stick together, I love my fellow British brothers. Thats right I said it, I love you so deal with it.

[essexboy]

No offense EB but the list looks you lost interest in the order about a quarter of the way in and then just put names down as they came into your head.

Maybe. This is a fair comment, from some posts you'd have thought I'd just said their mum was a slut.

PS I was actually off my face when I made this and my Latino list still I didnt think either came out too bad.