Is UFC taking over?

[H .]

MMA is rapidly rising in popularity, mainly the UFC. Some are saying that it will replace boxing. Others are saying that UFC's popularity will die down, while boxing never dies.
What do you think? Discuss.

[mightyd40]

i think ufc sucks and i just watched that latest "big" fight they had on the internet and there main guy chuck lidell sucks.....that punch that dropped him i dont think would have hurt my girlfriend......boxing will always be around and when people start realizing that these mma guys cant fight hopefully ufc will die down

[acb]

This is an absolute original, a beauty of a thread.

[Mrboogie23]

This is an absolute original, a beauty of a thread.




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:piss boxing vs mma threads

[ravtrav]

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:piss boxing vs mma threads:good :yep

[IronBull]

Well.. boxing is lacking for advertising..

Everytime I go out, I always see UFC advert around manchester.. advert on taxi, etc.

[Jack]

The two can co-exist. Most true fans enjoy both.

I can't be arsed to write anymore. I'm bored of this topic.

[Imperial1]

MMA will never take over boxing ..They don't have that cross over star yet like a Tyson or Delahoya ..It has its place but it will never surpass boxing at least no time soon .

[younghypnotiq]

are you kidding? MMA guys cant fight. is that why almost every boxer who joined the UFC was utterly humiliated and destroyed. i to like boxing and mma sadly i think MMA is going to beat boxing, but i hope we have some great boxer come up like ali so it will bring the sport back. th average person can name like 3 boxer boxing now(probably less) but can name many more mma guys

[Zakman]

MMA is rapidly rising in popularity, mainly the UFC. Some are saying that it will replace boxing. Others are saying that UFC's popularity will die down, while boxing never dies.
What do you think? Discuss.

Doubt it. When you strip away the WWF-style macho hype, UFC fights are pretty BORING. Two guys charge at each other and then roll around on the ground for five minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of boxing over the long haul???:huh:-(

[acb]

This thead is going the direction of the last 450 MMA vs boxing threads since this January.

[Amsterdam]

are you kidding? MMA guys cant fight. is that why almost every boxer who joined the UFC was utterly humiliated and destroyed. i to like boxing and mma sadly i think MMA is going to beat boxing, but i hope we have some great boxer come up like ali so it will bring the sport back. th average person can name like 3 boxer boxing now(probably less) but can name many more mma guys

That's because MMA is heavily promoted and many events are on cable TV, where as boxing's best fights are always on PPV or on HBO, which some people don't have.

MMA's biggest bouts are on PPV, but plenty of other bouts are played on regular TV and the general sport is promoted to no end.

If Cotto/Judah were just on regular HBO, it would have done well for the sports standing because many normal HBO subscribers would have watched it and would have enjoyed it, where as most of the set boxing fanbase bought the PPV.

[Imperial1]

are you kidding? MMA guys cant fight. is that why almost every boxer who joined the UFC was utterly humiliated and destroyed. i to like boxing and mma sadly i think MMA is going to beat boxing, but i hope we have some great boxer come up like ali so it will bring the sport back. th average person can name like 3 boxer boxing now(probably less) but can name many more mma guys


Where are you getting your facts from ??When Ray Mercer had his frist MMA fight he was nearlyy decapitated by a kick to the head ..And I don't which MMA fighter your tallking about but no boxers beats an mma fighter with mma rules ..Oh wait unless your Tommy Morrison and the rules get changed for you..

[Amsterdam]

Doubt it. When you strip away the WWF-style macho hype, UFC fights are pretty BORING. Two guys charge at each other and then roll around on the ground for five minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of boxing over the long haul???:huh:-(

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Dostoevsky]

I like both sports equally.
I also think they can co-exist just like Kickboxing and boxing co-existed for many years and still do.

The MMA fighters are just as good as boxers they are just good at doing differnt things.
This immature Boxing vs MMA has to stop.
Both sports are good and both sports are exciting. MMA is just as difficult to learn and master as boxing is.


Learn to love them both!

[ChampionsForever]

I know more about MMA than the average pub goer but I can still only name 2 guys that fight in it. And above the guy mentioned he always see's posters for it but I bet the British public cant mention one MMA fighter (I mean about 1 out of 100 people) but almost anyone out there will name an Amir Khan or Joe Calzaghe or a Frank Bruno.

[Amsterdam]

I know more about MMA than the average pub goer but I can still only name 2 guys that fight in it. And above the guy mentioned he always see's posters for it but I bet the British public cant mention one MMA fighter (I mean about 1 out of 100 people) but almost anyone out there will name an Amir Khan or Joe Calzaghe or a Frank Bruno.

It's a shame that they can name that china chinned joke Khan over any other combatant of any fighting sport.:yep

[ChampionsForever]

It's a shame that they can name that china chinned joke Khan over any other combatant of any fighting sport.:yep:roll:

[Zakman]

The current two guys running around pot shotting each other trend needs to die though. It's not much better than rolling on the floor.

You have point there. Boxing needs to put together fights like Corrales-Castillo I. I read an article recently about the importance of good matchmaking in some boxing mag - there should really be an effort made to try to make top level fights with an eye toward this.

That said, while those Mayweather-type fights are not the most exciting, they're more interesting than watching a couple of guys rolling around on the floor. To me, that's only a step above watching paint dry - and not a big one at that!!:lol:

[Amsterdam]

You have point there. Boxing needs to put together fights like Corrales-Castillo I. I read an article recently about the importance of good matchmaking in some boxing mag - there should really be an effort made to try to make top level fights with an eye toward this.

That said, while those Mayweather-type fights are not the most exciting, they're more interesting than watching a couple of guys rolling around on the floor. To me, that's only a step above watching paint dry - and not a big one at that!!:lol:

Not much a fan of Wrestling, Jujitsu and Judo then Zak?:yep

[codeman99998]

The UFC has a bunch of things that boxing doesn't have right now, but boxing could get back.

1. Knockouts. Most UFC fights end in REAL knockouts. Lots of boxing fights end in KOs too, don't get me wrong, but watching the likes of Pretty Boy Floyd, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins, Paulie Malignaggi, etc. just puts a bad taste in many viewers mouths. Also, taking into account the brutality of a UFC "stoppage" when compared to the relative weakness of many boxing stoppages, UFC has the barbarism that so many people crave.

2. Good matchups. There aren't four sanctioning bodies in the UFC trying to get their champions to fight light opposition and trying to prevent a unification. There is one body, the UFC and the Dana White forces his title holders to defend their titles against very very real competition. That's the reason that no champion in the UFC ever defends his title 15 or 20 times before losing it, because every defense is against the best competition.

3. Undercards. Every UFC I have ever seen has had a terrific undercard. Even when there are not many "name" fighters to speak of, they still have great matchups that lead to very good fights. Undercards on some boxing PPVs are so bad that I don't even watch them. When I pay 50 dollars for a UFC I am getting up to 8 quality fights, with boxing I might get 4 snoozer shitty fights and 1 good one.

4. The "realness" that MMA brings. Whenever you see someone win the UFC Heavyweight title, chances are they are closer to the "baddest man on the planet" title than the heavyweight champ in boxing. The sad truth of the matter is that a champion MMA practitioner truly represents the best at all-around fighting.

5. Advertising has SOMETHING to do with it, but not as much as I think you guys think. I mean, if people didn't enjoy watching one or two UFCs then they wouldn't buy a third. The advertising gets a lot of people watching but it's the action that keeps them watching. Imagine if you tried to get a friend to start watching boxing so you invite him for the PBF-Oscar fight. Now imagine you wanted him to get into MMA so you brought him over for ANY UFC card. The biggest UFC cards are truly exciting, while the biggest boxing cards are sometimes boring. It seems to be a lot easier to defend for 36 minutes in a boxing match (Ler versus Arce comes to mind) even when against a very strong power puncher than it is to defend in an MMA fight.

[younghypnotiq]

obviously Evisceration is a complete dumbass and doesnt know what he is tallking about. and imperial i am saying that mma guys are better fighters than boxer idiot mighty d 40 said that they cany fight i was disagreein

[Dostoevsky]

I agree with the above post, most boxing cards consist of one good fight and the rest are shit.

Many MMA cards consist of a good main fight and many good non-main event fights.(except the latest UFC,that was terrible)

[codeman99998]

On the subject, it's a shame Vitali didn't move to MMA. He had a spinning backfist that was BRUTAL.

[codeman99998]

n I like both sports equally.
I also think they can co-exist just like Kickboxing and boxing co-existed for many years and still do.

The MMA fighters are just as good as boxers they are just good at doing differnt things.
This immature Boxing vs MMA has to stop.
Both sports are good and both sports are exciting. MMA is just as difficult to learn and master as boxing is.


Learn to love them both!

In all fairness to boxing, this is an understatement. I like boxing and I like MMA but there is little doubt that there is a significantly greater amount to be learned if you want to compete in MMA than boxing.

[Dostoevsky]

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In all fairness to boxing, this is an understatement. I like boxing and I like MMA but there is little doubt that there is a significantly greater amount to be learned if you want to compete in MMA than boxing.

Well yes, i would have to agree,I didn't want to say it because I am on a boxing board and wouldn't want too stir up to much shit. :D

[codeman99998]

That said, while those Mayweather-type fights are not the most exciting, they're more interesting than watching a couple of guys rolling around on the floor. To me, that's only a step above watching paint dry - and not a big one at that!!:lol:

If that's not your cup of tea than that's fine.

But know this, there is a lot of strategy and skill and stuff going on while they "roll around on the floor". If you know what you are actually watching, the ground game becomes very entertaining. The first few MMA fights I watched I also thought that all of that "rolling around the floor" was boring, but as I learned more and more about BJJ and amateur wrestling, and exactly what the different positions were on the ground, it really became interesting.

Honestly, a great ground fight between two very good BJJ practitioners can keep my interest as well as many boxing matches. It can be very entertaining and interesting if you know what you are watching.

[4eyes]

Doubt it. When you strip away the WWF-style macho hype, UFC fights are pretty BORING. Two guys charge at each other and then roll around on the ground for five minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of boxing over the long haul???:huh:-(

Agreed, when I was a kid in the 80's I remember the same thing happening with kickboxing they said it would take over boxing etc.

[boxingcar]

MMA will never take over boxing ..They don't have that cross over star yet like a Tyson or Delahoya ..It has its place but it will never surpass boxing at least no time soon .

they already have a huge star...a legend..unfortunately , He doesn't speak a word of english...and He's not fighting in the US.

[cross_trainer]

Doubt it. When you strip away the WWF-style macho hype, UFC fights are pretty BORING. Two guys charge at each other and then roll around on the ground for five minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of boxing over the long haul???:huh:-(
For a self-described liberal professor in the social sciences, you can be remarkably dogmatic and close-minded on some issues. If you did a bit of research on grappling, you would find that it is an extremely sophisticated combative system. I suspect your boredom comes from a lack of understanding of the intricacies.

So...if you agree to keep an open mind rather than repeating the same things, I would be more than happy to find you some of the more interesting grappling matches on Youtube. After a while, you may be able to understand it enough to appreciate it. Deal?

[badger6]

"Nearly decapitated" :lol:

Mercer was like 50 years old and still gave the guy all he could eat and blocked all his leg kicks. Furthermore, he tossed the guy to the floor like a rag doll multiple times and this guy was a top mma'er in his prime, Mercer was like 70. What a joke.

WTF are you talking about ???

I believe this is the one he is talking about,

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looks like a K1 fight to me. As far as true MMA, I don't think that Mercer has had his 1st fight yet !!! I may be wrong but his MMA record is showing 0-0-0 on sherdog here,

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[dupin]

Doubt it. When you strip away the WWF-style macho hype, UFC fights are pretty BORING. Two guys charge at each other and then roll around on the ground for five minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of boxing over the long haul???:huh:-(
'Boxing fights are pretty BORING. Two guys circle each other and then trade punches for three minutes. How the hell can that compete with the excitement of MMA over the long haul???:huh:-('

Just to show you how a point of reference means nothing if you try to draw bold conclusions from it.

[boxingcar]

"Nearly decapitated" :lol:

Mercer was like 50 years old and still gave the guy all he could eat and blocked all his leg kicks. Furthermore, he tossed the guy to the floor like a rag doll multiple times and this guy was a top mma'er in his prime, Mercer was like 70. What a joke.

For your information , the joke is on you...
Mercer never had a single fight under MMA rules..
You're probably talking about Mercer vs Musashi...that was under strict Kickboxing rules...

and to top it all...Mercer was getting owned in that fight...His opponent was just raining low kicks after low kicks..it was just a routine victory for Him...

[Zhaakal]

i dont see nothing interested in sweaty men holding themselves on the mat.

[badger6]

For your information , the joke is on you...
Mercer never had a single fight under MMA rules..
You're probably talking about Mercer vs Musashi...that was under strict Kickboxing rules...

and to top it all...Mercer was getting owned in that fight...His opponent was just raining low kicks after low kicks..it was just a routine victory for Him...

or could have been Remy Bojansky

[knockout]

thats right boxing will never die.

[cross_trainer]

i dont see nothing interested in sweaty men holding themselves on the mat.

Do you understand that there is a vast amount of skill and technique involved, or do you think that it's just unskilled wrestling and laying?

[Amsterdam]

Do you understand that there is a vast amount of skill and technique involved, or do you think that it's just unskilled wrestling and laying?

5 joint Jujitsu locks against trained opponents are as difficult as landing 5 punch combinations against trained opponents, they don't recognise that.

Zakman does, he's just being Zakman.:lol:

[badger6]

5 joint Jujitsu locks against trained opponents are as difficult as landing 5 punch combinations against trained opponents, they don't recognise that.

Zakman does, he's just being Zakman.:lol:

Even though I love boxing, properly done judo is a thing of beauty.

[tampa]

hell no.

did you see judah vs cotto?

[Beebs]

UFC has it's flaws too though. They need to put a time limit on the ground game, maybe break it up after a minute or 30 seconds or so. That is the ***** in MMAs armor. Purists like it, but the paying, mouth breathing public will tire of it quickly.

The mouth breathing public has started to understand and cheer groundfighting, to the point of booing standups.

[Tencount85]

It's a trend right now, but it won't sustain it's momentum. While I respect it (and actually am interesting in learning a martial art) it's boring. When they are doing stand up (which is agreed to be the most exciting part and what are they usaully doing is Boxing/Kickboxing) that's alright but it always goes down to the floor and a decent fight turns into a stinker because the pace slows down drastically. I know it's much more "real" that way, but it's BORING. That is why there will never be an exciting Mike Tyson type person in MMA or a Hagler vs. Hearns type fight, it doesn't allow for it because of always going down to the ground and slowing the pace. You can forget about any toe to toe exciting wars because all you have to do is get taken to the ground and that's over and done with and a highly regarded powerhouse can just be taken to the ground and put in an arm bar and lose the match and his credibility (hence no chance for a dominant long term fighter like Ali). Boxing allows for fighting to always go at a fast pace (for the most part) and deliver what most people want to see, knockouts. I think ground game and submissions can only be appreciated by those who train in those particular martial arts (the majority of UFC viewers are laymans and cross over WWF people) and once the veil gets lifted (that being the UFC trend isn't "cool" anymore), the majority of people will stop trying to fool us and themselves.

I always point these things out to "fans" of UFC (usually these people never had interest in combat sports to begin with so I know they are just watching cause it's cool) and they agree but keep watching anyway. I laugh at them and one of the few things I can't stand are trend following sheep.

[codeman99998]

It's a trend right now, but it won't sustain it's momentum. While I respect it (and actually am interesting in learning a martial art) it's boring. When they are doing stand up (which is agreed to be the most exciting part and what are they usaully doing is Boxing/Kickboxing) that's alright but it always goes down to the floor and a decent fight turns into a stinker because the pace slows down drastically. I know it's much more "real" that way, but it's BORING. That is why there will never be an exciting Mike Tyson type person in MMA or a Hagler vs. Hearns type fight, it doesn't allow for it because of always going down to the ground and slowing the pace. You can forget about any toe to toe exciting wars because all you have to do is get taken to the ground and that's over and done with and a highly regarded powerhouse can just be taken to the ground and put in an arm bar and lose the match and his credibility Y(hence no chance for a dominant long term fighter like Ali). Boxing allows for fighting to always go at a fast pace (for the most part) and deliver what most people want to see, knockouts. I think ground game and submissions can only be appreciated by those who train in those particular martial arts (the majority of UFC viewers are laymans and cross over WWF people) and once the veil gets lifted (that being the UFC trend isn't "cool" anymore), the majority of people will stop trying to fool us and themselves.

I always point these things out to "fans" of UFC (usually these people never had interest in combat sports to begin with so I know they are just watching cause it's cool) and they agree but keep watching anyway. I laugh at them and one of the few things I can't stand are trend following sheep.

Stephan Bonner versus Forrest Griffin

Anyways, I vehemently disagree. Just because you find it boring, and that is more than fine, doesn't mean the public at large does. Also, I disagree with your statement about knockouts. As I said earlier, as far as fueling people's desire for barbarism, the UFC does a lot more. When their fights do end in knockouts, they end in brutal knockouts. Compare, say, the "knockout" of Corley at the hands of Cotto. The "knockout" of Judah at the hands of Cotto. The "knockout" of Vargas at the hands of De La Hoya.

Compare those to the knockout of Griffin by Jardine. Or the knockout of Lidell by Jackson. Or the knockout of Cro Cop by Gonzaga. UFC knockouts are VICIOUS compared to boxing stoppages.

I think MMA is here to stay. I LOVE boxing, I love it wholeheartedly, but I recognize that MMA is also a thing of beauty and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Tencount85]

Stephan Bonner versus Forrest Griffin

Anyways, I vehemently disagree. Just because you find it boring, and that is more than fine, doesn't mean the public at large does. Also, I disagree with your statement about knockouts. As I said earlier, as far as fueling people's desire for barbarism, the UFC does a lot more. When their fights do end in knockouts, they end in brutal knockouts. Compare, say, the "knockout" of Corley at the hands of Cotto. The "knockout" of Judah at the hands of Cotto. The "knockout" of Vargas at the hands of De La Hoya.

Compare those to the knockout of Griffin by Jardine. Or the knockout of Lidell by Jackson. Or the knockout of Cro Cop by Gonzaga. UFC knockouts are VICIOUS compared to boxing stoppages.

I think MMA is here to stay. I LOVE boxing, I love it wholeheartedly, but I recognize that MMA is also a thing of beauty and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I have watched the Bonner fight and yes that was exciting (it's the one that they always air on that channel with that slogan that says the chnanel is aimed for men or something like that). And yes, I have seen Cro-Cop with his patent kicks that lay out people, but those are in the minority. We can cherry pick explosive and brutal fights all day and night for both sports, but the UFC has the less of the two and that is prone to the fighters going down to the ground. You're almost guarenteed a knockout in boxing or kick boxing as opposed to MMA in which the majority of fights end in a submission or a choke.

That's not to say I think MMA doesn't have it's place or anything. I think it's competitive and the fighters there are very well rounded in the art of fighting, but I think the particular rules doesn't allow it for being as exciting as Professional Boxing (For the most part). I also think because it's the "big thing at the moment" a lot of people just go follow it because of herd mentality, not because they actually appreciate what their doing.

[El Bombasto]

a little bit, but it's just drawing the morons away

[codeman99998]

I have watched the Bonner fight and yes that was exciting (it's the one that they always air on that channel with that slogan that says the chnanel is aimed for men or something like that). And yes, I have seen Cro-Cop with his patent kicks that lay out people, but those are in the minority. We can cherry pick explosive and brutal fights all day and night for both sports, but the UFC has the less of the two and that is prone to the fighters going down to the ground. You're almost guarenteed a knockout in boxing or kick boxing as opposed to MMA in which the majority of fights end in a submission or a choke.

That's not to say I think MMA doesn't have it's place or anything. I think it's competitive and the fighters there are very well rounded in the art of fighting, but I think the particular rules doesn't allow it for being as exciting as Professional Boxing (For the most part)
I understand that view. Really, I just wish boxing could use the MMA gloves and THEN there would be some truly explosive fights. Imagine Winky Wright or Floyd Mayweather trying to fight with those 4oz gloves. THEN boxing would truly meet it's full excitement potential. A defensive genius would TRULY have to be a genius because it wouldn't take 150 god damned punches to KO him.

[Tencount85]

with the 4 oz gloves even a pillow puncher like winky wright could be the next mike tyson with a 20 ko first round string haha.

Remember back in the old ufc days when they used to have mis matches? haha those were the days. Tank Abbott used to wreck a lot of people

[Imperial1]

Considering he was fighting one of the top guys, and Mercer was like 70 years old I would hardly consider that "owning". The guy could barely land anything and Mercer blocked every single high kick the idiot threw and still gave him all that he can handle. It was quite comical seeing the puny weakling get tossed to the ground like a rag doll by Mercer. So much for MMA'ers being superior to boxers in the grappling game. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


I'd like to see someone like Hopkins fight Randy Coture and lets see if Hopkins can throw Randy around like a rag doll ..I think just like with boxing it depends on the fighter ..Boxers have a natural instinct to block since they go through so many defensive drills while in sparring or in training ..So for a boxer to be able to block a few kicks is no surprise but lets see what happens if they face someone with a good ground and pound game and lets see if your approach will apply under those circustances ..

[Tencount85]

In a boxing match Hopkins would most likely beat Coture. Under MMA rules Hopkins would most likely go to the hospital (he admitted this himself in some interview). I don't really think there is any denying that.

[Zakman]

I can't beleive I'm defending Zakman but here goes.
Grappling may be extremely technical and so forth, but it does not translate well to the screen. I don't care how much purist's like it, the average far wants to se CroCop style high kicks and striking. Not that they are right, but they are paying the bills. The remedy for both sports is simple. Somebody fuckin engage already!

You pretty much get where I'm coming from here. Crosstrainer is one of the guys around here whose knowledge of boxing - and indeed of the whole gamut of fighting systems - I respect the most. But I think he's a little too much into the intracacies and details of these fighting systems to appreciate that the perspective of ordinary, non-specialist, boxing fans.

Would it be possible for me gain greater knowledge of wrestling techniques and the like? Sure. But even with greater understanding, there is no guarantee that I would find it any more interesting than I do now. Like you say, I don't think it translates well into a visual mediuum, which is why they do all that hype. I think even Crosstrainer would admit that they put that stuff in to attract the kids who don't understand the details as he does - and probably never will.

All of this said, I am not as closed minded as I appear. Some of that is simply to counter the "UFC is better than boxing" crowd, for no matter what knowledge I might gain, no one will convince me that UFC is more entertaining than boxing. I just don't see it.

[Imperial1]

Wow you must not be too bright. Hopkins fought at 160's Randy Couture at 220lbs. Are you fucking retarded? Your post is a perfect example of the typical MMA'er and why they're looked down upon by the more intelligent boxing fans.
Not that the size difference would matter anyway Hopkins would KO Couture with a single jab. That glass jawed redneck was KO'd unconscious by light taps from Liddell who himself suffered the same fate. What a joke.

Well if I’m not to bright, than what does that make you? My point is that it depends on the fighter .And Randy fought at Lt Heavy before he made his jump to heavy genius so don't act like they couldn't meet at a catch weight ..But that’s irrelevant since my point is it depends on the fighter..Are you also gonna use Tommy Morrison's recent MMA stint to justify your case even further about how boxing is superior to MMA ?

If so please let me know! Funny how you use the weakest of bouts to make your point that alone tells me how misinformed and uneducated you are on the sports!And Hopkins would KO him with a single Jab wow !! Since when does Hopkins have KO power ?? ..What a dummy !:patsch

[codeman99998]

Honestly, anyone who thinks Hopkins beats Couture in a streetfight because of his "streetfighting experience" deserves to be aborted. Seriously, Couture is one of the PREMIER MMAers in the entire world. Maybe Bhop has something on some BJJ Blue belt, but Randy Couture? He'd probably lose to the blue belt for God's sakes.

[codeman99998]

You obviously don't understand the differences between boxing and fighting. Seriously, how well does Bhop or PBF hold up with their backs on the ground?

[Imperial1]

Light heavy in UFC is over 200 lbs genius. Or did you think it was the same as boxing? How does a 160lbs man and a 200 lbs man fight at a catch weight? Yeah, you're real bright.
And it shows what kind of 14 year old nonboxing fan moron you are joking about Hopkins power. Hopkins had quite a bit of power during his career and only began to use it less during the tail end when he was nearing 40 years old. At one point Hopkins was about 30 KO's out of 40 wins. You need to put down those redneck Cage Rage tapes and watch some boxing boy, because you obviously know little about it.


Moran Lt heavy in the UFC is from 185 to 205 lbs !!

Hopkins is more than willing t move up in weight because as I recall he was trying to land a fight with Maskaev before he got his chance at Winky so here sip on this tall glass of shut the fuck up !

The last KO Hopkins had was against Oscar 3 yrs ago before that Carl Daniels in 02 !! I love how all of a sudden you make Hopkins into this power punching KO artist ..Wtf are you watching I think I have watched more boxing on my dvr in 1 week than you in your whole life !!

I think you need to check your history young man and go back to the sandlot !

I think its obvious who knows what on an invidulal sport and its clearly not You !:good

[codeman99998]

*sigh* You are wrong. I do know the answer to that. I can say, without a doubt, that since Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather have no training in groundfighting that they would be massacred on the ground. It may look like dumb rolling around to you, and it may seem impossible that one guy be "skilled" at this rolling around when you can't make out anything that is happening. But I can tell you with the same certainty that I can tell you I would lose a boxing match to Bernard Hopkins that Bernard Hopkins would lose a ground fight with Randy Couture.

Now you are probably thinking that Hopkins would just beat Couture on his feet before the fight ever went to the ground, but that is also not the case. There is another skillset involved in MMA that Bernard Hopkins does not have, and that is defending the takedown. Hell, Antwon Echols was able to take down Hopkins. It takes a certain defensive skillset to avoid a takedown. All Couture has to do is get close enough to clinch, or shoot for his legs, and Bhop is down. When Bhop is down the fight is over.

Look at the countless videos online of an expert martial artist with no groundfighting experience fighting a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert. It is absolutely no contest. MIKE TYSON in his PRIME could lose to Randy Couture, because if he WASNT able to land that KO shot before Couture got on the inside, the fight is over. Bhop has a much smaller chance of landing that KO shot, therefore he loses in a streetfight.

Look, I love boxing as a sport. But comparing it to MMA on the grounds of which is PRACTICALLY better for a streetfight scenario is a losing argument anywhere where common sense is taken into account.

[Imperial1]

*sigh* You are wrong. I do know the answer to that. I can say, without a doubt, that since Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather have no training in groundfighting that they would be massacred on the ground. It may look like dumb rolling around to you, and it may seem impossible that one guy be "skilled" at this rolling around when you can't make out anything that is happening. But I can tell you with the same certainty that I can tell you I would lose a boxing match to Bernard Hopkins that Bernard Hopkins would lose a ground fight with Randy Couture.

Now you are probably thinking that Hopkins would just beat Couture on his feet before the fight ever went to the ground, but that is also not the case. There is another skillset involved in MMA that Bernard Hopkins does not have, and that is defending the takedown. Hell, Antwon Echols was able to take down Hopkins. It takes a certain defensive skillset to avoid a takedown. All Couture has to do is get close enough to clinch, or shoot for his legs, and Bhop is down. When Bhop is down the fight is over.

Look at the countless videos online of an expert martial artist with no groundfighting experience fighting a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert. It is absolutely no contest. MIKE TYSON in his PRIME could lose to Randy Couture, because if he WASNT able to land that KO shot before Couture got on the inside, the fight is over. Bhop has a much smaller chance of landing that KO shot, therefore he loses in a streetfight.

Look, I love boxing as a sport. But comparing it to MMA on the grounds of which is PRACTICALLY better for a streetfight scenario is a losing argument anywhere where common sense is taken into account.

Thread ended ..Good pts .

[Thinman]

MMA is rapidly rising in popularity, mainly the UFC. Some are saying that it will replace boxing. Others are saying that UFC's popularity will die down, while boxing never dies.
What do you think? Discuss.

If you like more MMA than boxing, then that's ok, but I don't really give a fuck about UFC, and if UFC is taking over I don't care. We don't care here about whether UFC is taking over or not. This is a boxing site, so get the fuck out of here.

[knockout]

forget ufc

[slantone]

the thing about mma is that it seems to have a ready made fan base. all the geeks and hicks who used to love wwf and fake wrestling have come over to support it. as have kickboxing fans, people that like wrestling, jujitsu, tae kwon do and other martial arts. even alot of boxing fans. so its appealing to anyone who followed the other fight sports- its combined them all. so thats why the fan base is soo large. all the guys at my gym who used to go to do karate training have dropped it for the mms session later in the day. thats pretty much whats happening with mma in general.

i dont know if it will overtake boxing in terms of reputation and skill and quality- boxing has such a rich history- but it is catching up.

think of it without emotion or bias guys- i mean mma is such a young sport and already its everywhere- its marketed bloody brilliantly, all the fighters fight under the same banner- and promotions- so theres no problems in matchups- the best fighters fight the best.

all the problems that have plagued boxing have been changed in mma. and boxing sadly hasnt learned from boxing. and is as corrupt and damaged as ever- with the power of many in the hands of a few bickering old men.

I love boxing- i think its the most graceful of sports- and most skillful- and beautifl 2 watch. i hate mma and watching groundfighting. but it s winning. The best thing for boxing would be for it to end and start again all anew-with a league and one commission that managed all fighters - like the PGA tour of the TENNIS APT tour. protecting players, athletes and so on- with only one organisation, tournaments and legitimate rankings.

until boxing learns and changes- its gonna continue to die a slow painful death. i mean seriously- this is one of the worlds premier boxing web sites- and what - it has 200 maybe 300 people on it at a time? thats pathetic. FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD- 300 people are interested enough in boxing to go on a forum!!!! meanwhile hundred s of thousands are packing into mma forums as we speak. dont believe me- see for urself. we my friends are a dying breed. we need changes.

[theunderdog]

that could be a movie right there

[Drexl]

A boxing vs UFC thread??


Is it Monday already!?!?

[cross_trainer]

You pretty much get where I'm coming from here. Crosstrainer is one of the guys around here whose knowledge of boxing - and indeed of the whole gamut of fighting systems - I respect the most. But I think he's a little too much into the intracacies and details of these fighting systems to appreciate that the perspective of ordinary, non-specialist, boxing fans.

Would it be possible for me gain greater knowledge of wrestling techniques and the like? Sure. But even with greater understanding, there is no guarantee that I would find it any more interesting than I do now. Like you say, I don't think it translates well into a visual mediuum, which is why they do all that hype. I think even Crosstrainer would admit that they put that stuff in to attract the kids who don't understand the details as he does - and probably never will.

All of this said, I am not as closed minded as I appear. Some of that is simply to counter the "UFC is better than boxing" crowd, for no matter what knowledge I might gain, no one will convince me that UFC is more entertaining than boxing. I just don't see it.

Fair enough, and thank you for your compliments. Yes, I see where you're coming from here. But I recommend that, before giving it up as a lost cause, you watch one or two of the grappling matches that are considered exciting. Surely that is a fair standard?

If you have youtube, the following are probably the best highlights and matches:

Sakuraba vs. Newton

Part 1

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Part 2

50OWLkI5jWs


Jacare Highlight

gXM9J10IfSw


Basic Brazilian Jiujitsu Theory (only 8 minutes)

zMwc8FePaZU


Highlights from Grappling Sports

Judo
3TfQ7qhPMH0

Greco-Roman Wrestling
3D-NOT_R3hI

Abu Dhabi
dmtDC0zMUR8

Brazilian Jiujitsu

Wvsoidud33Q





Take your pick. :good

[K0NPHL1C7]

Fair enough, and thank you for your compliments. Yes, I see where you're coming from here. But I recommend that, before giving it up as a lost cause, you watch one or two of the grappling matches that are considered exciting. Surely that is a fair standard?

If you have youtube, the following are probably the best highlights and matches:

Sakuraba vs. Newton

Part 1

aR7r95bU6Ls

Part 2

50OWLkI5jWs


Jacare Highlight

gXM9J10IfSw


Basic Brazilian Jiujitsu Theory (only 8 minutes)

zMwc8FePaZU


Highlights from Grappling Sports

Judo
3TfQ7qhPMH0

Greco-Roman Wrestling
3D-NOT_R3hI

Abu Dhabi
dmtDC0zMUR8

Brazilian Jiujitsu

Wvsoidud33Q





Take your pick. :good

Did you watch Gracie vs. Sakuraba II a couple weeks ago? I must say, I am not to much a fan of watchin the grapple technique in action, mainly because in the UFC it is not used to it's fullest potential. This fight however, with both figters being true masters, they went back-and-forth, trying multiple diffrent submissions, it was rather exciting. Diversity is the key if you want to make an exciting ground fight.

[Dostoevsky]

Did you watch Gracie vs. Sakuraba II a couple weeks ago? I must say, I am not to much a fan of watchin the grapple technique in action, mainly because in the UFC it is not used to it's fullest potential. This fight however, with both figters being true masters, they went back-and-forth, trying multiple diffrent submissions, it was rather exciting. Diversity is the key if you want to make an exciting ground fight.

Wow......you must be easily pleased.
That fight has been roundly criticized even by the most ardent MMA fans as being tediously boring.

You actually liked it?

[Arkanscott]

Ouch, Ouch, please stop beating me.

Yours Truly,

Dead Horse

[bulakenyo]

How about boxing and MMA set up a crossover fight? You match up boxers and MMA guys by weight, and let them fight boxing first, then 2 months later they fight MMA rules.

You have 3 undercards and 2 main eventers.

145-155 : Mayweather vs. Sean Sherk
155-170 : Calzaghe vs. Matt Sera
171-185 : Hopkins vs. Anderson Silva
186-205 : JMMormeck vs. Quinton Jackson
206-265 : Vlad Klitschko vs. Couture

2 PPVs in 2 months, and a card like this. It will settle the issue once and for all.

[nfc90210]

Mercer was like 50 years old and still gave the guy all he could eat and blocked all his leg kicks. Furthermore, he tossed the guy to the floor like a rag doll multiple times and this guy was a top mma'er in his prime, Mercer was like 70. What a joke.

Ray Mercer has never had an MMA fight. He is making his MMA début latter this month against Kimbo Slice. Slice is also making his MMA debut in the same fight.

It was quite comical seeing the puny weakling get tossed to the ground like a rag doll by Mercer. So much for MMA'ers being superior to boxers in the grappling game.
Once again, what are you talking about?

Ray Mercer has never fought an MMA fighter. He has never fought under MMA rules. He had two fights under K-1 Kickboxing rules. He lost both. Neither of his K-1 opponents have ever had an MMA fight.

[J_Roth]

Why is everyone so obsessed with comparing the two. You don't have to have over the other. I am boxing fan my whole life and a mma fan since UFC 1. Both can exist and both can have fans. Hell even some people are capable of liking more than one thing at a time.

[JERMZ BOXING]

Boxing is like Underground Hip Hop...only for the chosen few... its gold that shouldnt be mainstream....it's better that way cuz it makes this sport that much more intamite....who cares if the ufc is all up on spike tv and shit...let them white boys grope and slap all they want...but at the end, no other sports can produce the drama, science, action, heart pumpin repetoir like boxing.... as long as we make fights like cotto/judah, this aint going nowhere...name 10 big name fights that hit history in mma or ufc?? of the top of the head...who cares!!! no if hagler and hearns were a ufc bout, would it be the same??? fuck no!!! Boxing will always have it's home in the underground...Where it started in the first place!!!!

[badger6]

Boxing is like Underground Hip Hop...only for the chosen few... its gold that shouldnt be mainstream....

Boxing is very very far from hip hop, because hip hop sux donkey dick and boxing is rather good.

it's better that way cuz it makes this sport that much more intamite....who cares if the ufc is all up on spike tv and shit...let them white boys grope and slap all they want...
Not only white guys fight in MMA. Is that somehow a racial comment ???


but at the end, no other sports can produce the drama, science, action, heart pumpin repetoir like boxing....
There are plenty of sports that are more popular than boxing. Just because you say it, doesn't make it the truth.

as long as we make fights like cotto/judah, this aint going nowhere...
Are you paying attention ?? Boxing cannot and will not produce fights like cotto/judah on a consistant basis. The Spinks, Mayweathers, and promoters of the boxing world will make sure of that !!!


name 10 big name fights that hit history in mma or ufc?? of the top of the head...who cares!!! no if hagler and hearns were a ufc bout, would it be the same??? fuck no!!! Boxing will always have it's home in the underground...Where it started in the first place!!!!
If boxing doesn't change, it won't survive anywhere, !!! Underground, hahaha, you been playing too many video games.

[H .]

You gotta love UFC getting the cover of Sports Illustrated a few weeks ago. Can't tell you who the guys on the cover are though.

[stuistylee]

i think ufc sucks and i just watched that latest "big" fight they had on the internet and there main guy chuck lidell sucks.....that punch that dropped him i dont think would have hurt my girlfriend......boxing will always be around and when people start realizing that these mma guys cant fight hopefully ufc will die downi agree...in australia there was recently a fight between national ufc(or whatever its called here) n "john" Wayne Parr(muai thai all time great ask any thai...)...n parr kicked his ass

[theHawtness]

MMA is rapidly rising in popularity, mainly the UFC. Some are saying that it will replace boxing. Others are saying that UFC's popularity will die down, while boxing never dies.
What do you think? Discuss.
another MMA vs boxing thread! :patsch

these should stop:gsg

[stuistylee]

I'd like to see someone like Hopkins fight Randy Coture and lets see if Hopkins can throw Randy around like a rag doll ..I think just like with boxing it depends on the fighter ..Boxers have a natural instinct to block since they go through so many defensive drills while in sparring or in training ..So for a boxer to be able to block a few kicks is no surprise but lets see what happens if they face someone with a good ground and pound game and lets see if your approach will apply under those circustances ..well while were @ it lets just go back 2 the street fighting...or r u a tradionalist and still like cave fighting...lol

[barneyrub]

There was a thread on sherdog [mma forum, in the ufc section] yesterday asking if boxing or mma puts on more exciting fights. Even amongst the mma forum everyone conceded that boxing is more exciting and puts on better matches, theres your answer. They said it themselves. When the occasional teenage fanboys posted the "boxing is dead" crap they were found to be in the minority and told theyt were ignorant by the ma afficianados.

"Boxing is dead", is merely a marketing line created by dana white to sell his product through the controversy, its the naive, young and ignorant who believe everything they hear who post that nonsense. Dont believe the hype.

[barneyrub]

LMFAO!!!

1) This was a kickboxing match against a 2nd rate kickboxer, not an MMA match against an MMA fighter.
2) He never tossed him to the floor, you are lying and making shit up.
3) He got owned by a 2nd rate kickboxer because he couldn't deal with his leg kicks, as most boxers can't.

Another example of boxer vs kickboxer: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

So stop lying and making shit up to prove your lame ass points you loser.

Musashi was multiple times Japan Grand Prix champion and was World Grand Prix Champion, if thats second rate who is first rate?

[H .]

another MMA vs boxing thread! :patsch

these should stop:gsg

Since the threads were lost recently, I believe this is the only one. :deal

[kirk]

Uh, in case you didn't realize, MMA fighters can strike too, it's not a purely ground sport you jackass, they strike with hands, feet, knees, and elbows, while boxers strike with their hands. A boxer cannot do shit against a good ground fighter on the ground, while an MMA has standup and striking experience, so he can at least hang on the feet long enough to either get it to the ground or clinch for some knees or use leg kicks from a distance.

Winner: MMA

comparing an mma striker to a boxing striker is like comparing mayweathers takedown ability to randy coutures. MMA has some of the worst striking ive ever seen by top competitors, which makes sense cuz its not just about striking and you can get to the top without it.

that being said....

so he can at least hang on the feet long enough to either get it to the ground or clinch for some knees or use leg kicks from a distance.


kinda like randy did with liddel in their last fight? or chuck did with jackson their last fight?

fact is right now in UFC, crude strikers (and yes... i dont care what anyone says, jackson and chuck are crude strikers compared to even mayorga imo) are the dominant fighters around the 200lb weight class.... and i would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see chuck, or hell even rampage, take mayweathers offer and fight a top cruiserweight like mormeck in the UFC. rampage, chuck, or imo randy wont make it out of the first.

then boxers can come back to boxing where the real warriors go. :lol: ;)

[kirk]

There was a thread on sherdog [mma forum, in the ufc section] yesterday asking if boxing or mma puts on more exciting fights. Even amongst the mma forum everyone conceded that boxing is more exciting and puts on better matches, theres your answer. They said it themselves. When the occasional teenage fanboys posted the "boxing is dead" crap they were found to be in the minority and told theyt were ignorant by the ma afficianados.

"Boxing is dead", is merely a marketing line created by dana white to sell his product through the controversy, its the naive, young and ignorant who believe everything they hear who post that nonsense. Dont believe the hype. boxing will never be dead imo... because it will always have its place due to people like me, and the others on this board. i actually knew UFC first, my first ufc experiance was ufc 6, i love mma, and i trained in it from a boy to adulthood.... but when i experianced boxing, in all its glory, there was no contest.

but... that being said, boxing isnt dead, but it is getting beat up...

cotto vs judah i guess barely did over 200,000 buys? that is crazy... i know that cotto isnt THAT well known and judah has been a loser as of late, but still... everyone knew that that fight ment fireworks and was a no miss xplosive fight. and it did that number?

its just because boxing isnt getting itself out there like mma is... plain and simple, i dont REALLY think it has much to do with the product. just promotion.

[Sinew]

Hahaha, the MMA fighting style is better in a street fight?

*MMA guy is sitting in a bar, enjoying a cold beer*

Surly Drunk: Hey fucker, you're in my seat! Let's fight!
MMA Guy: I warn you, I am skilled in the arts of groundfighting!
Bar Crowd: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

*Surly Drunk throws a punch, MMA Guy ducks under it and tackles him*

MMA Guy: Aha, I've grounded you and put you in the guard! You are powerless before me!

*Fifteen minutes pass in this position*

Bar Crowd: Man, this is boring.

*The crowd goes back to their seats, one person stops to pick MMA Guy's pockets as he lays there holding Surly Drunk down*

MMA Guy: Hey you asshole, come back with my wallet!
Surly Drunk: You know, sooner or later one of my friends is going to walk in and kick your head off while you lay here humping me.
MMA Guy: You could be right. Time to end this fight with a joint manipulation!

*Fifteen more minutes of groundfighting ensue, with random bar customers stepping over them where they lay. Eventually MMA Guy gets a hold of Surly Drunk's thumb.*

Surly Drunk: OW! AAAH! UNCLE, UNCLE!
MMA Guy: Aha, you have submitted to my skillful joint manipulation! Now I will let you go, since I think the bar is closing and they're about to push us out the door with a snow shovel.

*Having forced Surly Drunk to submit, MMA guy gets up. Surly drunk stands up, holding his injured thumb.*

MMA Guy: I hope you've learned that groundfighting is the ultimate form of street self-defense, and furthermore...

*Surly Drunk picks up a barstool with his good hand and clubs MMA Guy over the head with it.*

Surly Drunk: Dumbass.:lol: :lol: :rofl

[kirk]

its all good man, me and guys that think mma guys would beat boxers will always have to agree to disagree.

and i just wanted, for the record, to make sure you know i was joking about the whole 'real warriors' thing... both types of the fighting have their warriors. i just am talking shit ;)

[codeman99998]

comparing an mma striker to a boxing striker is like comparing mayweathers takedown ability to randy coutures. MMA has some of the worst striking ive ever seen by top competitors, which makes sense cuz its not just about striking and you can get to the top without it.

that being said....

so he can at least hang on the feet long enough to either get it to the ground or clinch for some knees or use leg kicks from a distance.


kinda like randy did with liddel in their last fight? or chuck did with jackson their last fight?

fact is right now in UFC, crude strikers (and yes... i dont care what anyone says, jackson and chuck are crude strikers compared to even mayorga imo) are the dominant fighters around the 200lb weight class.... and i would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see chuck, or hell even rampage, take mayweathers offer and fight a top cruiserweight like mormeck in the UFC. rampage, chuck, or imo randy wont make it out of the first.

then boxers can come back to boxing where the real warriors go. :lol: ;)

Chuck Lidell's strategy is typically called, by the MMA community, "Sprawl and Brawl". Every good MMA fighter understands that in a real right scenario there are three phases of combat. Every good MMA fighter knows that in order to win a fight, it is their job to place the fight in the phase which gives them the greatest advantage over their opponent.

The three phases of combat are 1) the standup phase 2) the clinch phase and 3) the ground phase.

In most fights, Chuck Lidell (who I know is a wrestling expert and I think is a blue belt in jiu jitsu) has the biggest advantage in the standup phase. He KEEPS the fight in this phase by his great sprawling skill. It seems against a pure pro-boxer he would take the fight to a phase where he would be clearly dominant (the ground phase) and beat the boxer there.

If chuck doesn't win the MMA fight against the boxer, it is because Chuck is too prideful to fight smart, and not because he can't.

[Ramshall1]

Like I said. . . when the #1 p4p boxer is a coward that doesnt even try to back up his big mouth. . . its no wonder MMA is taking over.

[Beebs]

comparing an mma striker to a boxing striker is like comparing mayweathers takedown ability to randy coutures. MMA has some of the worst striking ive ever seen by top competitors, which makes sense cuz its not just about striking and you can get to the top without it.

that being said....

so he can at least hang on the feet long enough to either get it to the ground or clinch for some knees or use leg kicks from a distance.


kinda like randy did with liddel in their last fight? or chuck did with jackson their last fight?

fact is right now in UFC, crude strikers (and yes... i dont care what anyone says, jackson and chuck are crude strikers compared to even mayorga imo) are the dominant fighters around the 200lb weight class.... and i would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see chuck, or hell even rampage, take mayweathers offer and fight a top cruiserweight like mormeck in the UFC. rampage, chuck, or imo randy wont make it out of the first.

then boxers can come back to boxing where the real warriors go. :lol: ;)

The first bold statement is absolutely rediculous, Mayweather has absolutely no takedown ability or defense, whereas MMA fighters at least train some striking, yes its not as good as a boxers for obvious reasons, but it is at least part of the training.

A top Cruiserweight huh? How about a WBF world champion cruiserweight Yosuke Nishijima? Not the best Cruiserweight ever or anything, but clearly a highly skilled boxer, probably the most accomplished to ever cross over. Lets take a look at how he has done



LossPhil Baroni ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Technical Submission (Kimura)PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal ([Only registered and activated users can see links])10/21/200613:20
LossEvangelista Santos ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Submission (Rear Naked Choke)PRIDE - Final Conflict Absolute ([Only registered and activated users can see links])9/10/200613:24
LossHidehiko Yoshida ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Submission (Triangle Choke)PRIDE - Total Elimination Absolute ([Only registered and activated users can see links])5/5/200612:33
LossMark Hunt ([Only registered and activated users can see links])KO (Punch)PRIDE 31 - Dreamers ([Only registered and activated users can see links])2/26/200631:18

His fight against Phil Baroni (how most fights between a boxer with no grappling and an MMA fighter would go)
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

His fight against Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos, an extremely wild striker, seemingly the one type of MMA figther that would be custom made for a pro boxer....well he outstruck Nishijima who seemed a bit clueless when Cyborg put him in the clinch and started kneeing away, and then took him down and choked him unconscious.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

His other two fights, which he deserves a little more credit for, as he was fighting bigger guys. Mark Hunt, a Kickboxer, and Yoshida, an Judo guy.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

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So there you have it, Floyd's dream of a good cruiserweight in MMA has already been tested, and destroyed.

[digiram]

Boxing isn't going die. It's certainly hurting a bit, but that's not due to the lack of excitement that it generates, or lack of fans. It's b/c promoters don't know how to put on a good card or is too cheap to put on a good card, lack of free national media exposure for it's starts, and the sanctioning bodies are corrupt.

I'm glad that UFC/MMA is out there to give it some comp. This is only a good thing to the fans who are consumers of boxing events. The more popular MMA is, the more the promoters and such for boxing will have to do to compete.

It's a free market baby, competition is always welcomed. Especially, for the consumers.

[Ramshall1]

Boxing isn't going die. It's certainly hurting a bit, but that's not due to the lack of excitement that it generates, or lack of fans. It's b/c promoters don't know how to put on a good card or is too cheap to put on a good card, lack of free national media exposure for it's starts, and the sanctioning bodies are corrupt.

I'm glad that UFC/MMA is out there to give it some comp. This is only a good thing to the fans who are consumers of boxing events. The more popular MMA is, the more the promoters and such for boxing will have to do to compete.

It's a free market baby, competition is always welcomed. Especially, for the consumers.

Yup

[barneyrub]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[barneyrub]

each can co-exist happily.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[barneyrub]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[freesix88]

And what about K1?

[codeman99998]

Do you not get that mma is the middle ground? A boxer can box in mma but a grappler can not graple in boxing. How would a boxer do in a submission wrestling match? He would get owned 100 percent of the time.
Thanks for bringing this one up westwing fan... lol.

A grappler can't grapple in boxing? Pfft, Ricky Hatton is doing just fine.:bbb

Seriously though, this is old stuff. Bobbing and weaving doesn't work as a defense when there are knee strikes and grappling. Boxers win in an MMA fight if they can KO the MMA fighter in like, the first 15 seconds, otherwise the MMA fighter wins in the MMA fight.

MMA fighters beat a boxer in boxing if they get a lucky punch off. Plenty of MMA fighters have real KO power, so I guess they have a puncher's chance, but that's about it.

This thread really didn't need to be revived, but since it's at the top, I figure'd I'd go ahead and add my 2 cents, for the BOJILLIONTH time.

[BoardBULLY]

"Do you not get that mma is the middle ground? A boxer can box in mma but a grappler can not graple in boxing. How would a boxer do in a submission wrestling match? He would get owned 100 percent of the time."

bullshit a boxer can't box because everyone tries to take him down. Part of boxing is it taking place on their feet.

The way i see it they are both combat sports. One is designed to get you the most complete fighter, the other gets you the tougher fighter

[ripcity]

Honestly I think boxing and mma can and will coexest.

[scurlaruntings]

The first bold statement is absolutely rediculous, Mayweather has absolutely no takedown ability or defense, whereas MMA fighters at least train some striking, yes its not as good as a boxers for obvious reasons, but it is at least part of the training.

A top Cruiserweight huh? How about a WBF world champion cruiserweight Yosuke Nishijima? Not the best Cruiserweight ever or anything, but clearly a highly skilled boxer, probably the most accomplished to ever cross over. Lets take a look at how he has done



LossPhil Baroni ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Technical Submission (Kimura)PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal ([Only registered and activated users can see links])10/21/200613:20
LossEvangelista Santos ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Submission (Rear Naked Choke)PRIDE - Final Conflict Absolute ([Only registered and activated users can see links])9/10/200613:24
LossHidehiko Yoshida ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Submission (Triangle Choke)PRIDE - Total Elimination Absolute ([Only registered and activated users can see links])5/5/200612:33
LossMark Hunt ([Only registered and activated users can see links])KO (Punch)PRIDE 31 - Dreamers ([Only registered and activated users can see links])2/26/200631:18

His fight against Phil Baroni (how most fights between a boxer with no grappling and an MMA fighter would go)
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

His fight against Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos, an extremely wild striker, seemingly the one type of MMA figther that would be custom made for a pro boxer....well he outstruck Nishijima who seemed a bit clueless when Cyborg put him in the clinch and started kneeing away, and then took him down and choked him unconscious.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

His other two fights, which he deserves a little more credit for, as he was fighting bigger guys. Mark Hunt, a Kickboxer, and Yoshida, an Judo guy.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]


So there you have it, Floyd's dream of a good cruiserweight in MMA has already been tested, and destroyed.I dont really see why you`ve chosen to compare Nishijima as a boxer vs mma`er. Nishijima tried his hand at MMA and literally got tossed to the lions. All his loss`s have been to legitmate mainstays in MMA.Not journeymen with records of below .500. All of those fighters on there best days are respectively in there divisions one of the best of the world.So id say Nishijima done quite well considering his on the wrong side of 30 and has been in the fight game for some time.Fuck the dude even stood and traded with Hunt.

These arguments are pretty worthless as its like comparing a plane to a car just because there both methods of transport.We all know who is the best in there respective fields.

MMA and boxing CAN co-exist and WILL co-exist. But the main and massive diffrence is boxing has a lineage and an age old history in society.Modern MMA does not and only boasts a demographic between 16-35. There has already been calls to ban it by those who only see it as savage brutality. Kurt Otto of the IFL got in trouble for a promo he ran and then swiftly tried to retract it..Also Sobral did the UFC no favors at all when on a massive PPV and a very bloody fight he chocked David Heath into unconciousness and then got cut from the roster for his antics. MMA has much to establish if it wants to be around for some time and only appealing to 16-35 demographic will do them no favors at all.

As for Dana constantly trying to use Boxing as some form of leverage for the UFC he better be careful he doesnt fall flat on his face.Boxing is going NOWHERE and thats a fact.

[standing 8]

The mouth breathing public has started to understand and cheer groundfighting, to the point of booing standups.


That wasn't the case with the Rampage / Henderson championship match in the last UFC card. When ever the fight went to the ground you could hear the booing as clear as day.

[demzor]

That wasn't the case with the Rampage / Henderson championship match in the last UFC card. When ever the fight went to the ground you could hear the booing as clear as day.


London fans
Theyre not very educated about the sport as those in Japan and the States.
They didnt even seem to cheer when there were kimura attempts. I dont think they really knew what was going on..

[scurlaruntings]

That wasn't the case with the Rampage / Henderson championship match in the last UFC card. When ever the fight went to the ground you could hear the booing as clear as day.Thats because UFC fans are ignorant and stupid as to true martial arts. The fans in the K1 and PRIDE NEVER boo`ed when the action went to ground and the rules stipulated that fighters were penalised when there was little to no action.Ah those were the days..

[scurlaruntings]

London fans
Theyre not very educated about the sport as those in Japan and the States.
They didnt even seem to cheer when there were kimura attempts. I dont think they really knew what was going on..And the states? are you having a laugh? The US fans are even MORE pig ignorant.They boo anyone or anything they dont know.Hell they`d boo Fedor if he walked into the Octagon.There knowledge doesnt spread any further than what they know in the UFC.

[demzor]

And the states? are you having a laugh? The US fans are even MORE pig ignorant.They boo anyone or anything they dont know.Hell they`d boo Fedor if he walked into the Octagon.There knowledge doesnt spread any further than what they know in the UFC.
Depends where you are.. big country.
Ohio was real good.
Vegas is getting better.


A lot of people make a big deal outa the fact that Rampage was booed when he beat Chuck.
No shit he was booed. Chuck is the most popular guy out there..

[scurlaruntings]

Depends where you are.. big country.
Ohio was real good.
Vegas is getting better.


A lot of people make a big deal outa the fact that Rampage was booed when he beat Chuck.
No shit he was booed. Chuck is the most popular guy out there..True but c`mon now, Silva Nog, and Cro cop were all boo`ed when they were introduced by Dana and that list includes Henderson.Theres no point in trying to cover it up. UFC fans are simply stupid ignorant and very uneducated.All they know are the mainstays in the UFC that there used to. As for Ohio being more educated i could understand as OVW is up there and there pretty much infamous for as the wrestling state.

[demzor]

True but c`mon now, Silva Nog, and Cro cop were all boo`ed when they were introduced by Dana and that list includes Henderson.Theres no point in trying to cover it up. UFC fans are simply stupid ignorant and very uneducated.All they know are the mainstays in the UFC that there used to. As for Ohio being more educated i could understand as OVW is up there and there pretty much infamous for as the wrestling state.

What??
None of those guys were boo'd

[scurlaruntings]

What??
None of those guys were boo'dErm.. yes they were.Its quite clear to hear on the card when they were announced.

[demzor]

Crocop wasnt even "announced"... and he's always had a good reception

Wandy I dont really remember.. but he could have been boo'd because he called out Chuck..

And Nog got a good reception...

[Beebs]

Erm.. yes they were.Its quite clear to hear on the card when they were announced.

Nog was cheered very well when his signing was announced.

CroCop was cheered like a hero for his first fight.

Henderson was not boo'd, thats for damn sure.

[Ramshall1]

theres room for both sports. . . Boxing needs to keep giving the fans the best matchups like Cal-Kessler and JT-Pavlik to keep up.

[scurlaruntings]

Nog was cheered very well when his signing was announced.

CroCop was cheered like a hero for his first fight.

Henderson was not boo'd, thats for damn sure.I suggest you go and re watch those UFC`s:patsch

[rendog67]

no way not a chance