Does Maskaev have a chance against Peter?

[Arthur]

For some reason i think Maskaev might have a chance here...call it a gut instinct.

[Butch Coolidge]

OM has a hard right hand and Valle Jr. has done a remarkable job of developing his left hook and tightening up his defense but due to OM's lack of speed and age I wouldn't make him a favourite although I will say he has a chance.

[Heavyrighthand]

I am also leaning towards Oleg's ring experience, overall toughness ( at least in his newest winning streak) , and impressive stamina to pull this one off and win Oleg a decision against the plodding, limited Peter.

[AJAX]

I'm giving Oleg a decent shot at a UD, Peter's good but I think he's overrated and people are overconfident in him

[brooklyn1550]

Yes, he's got a shot, but I'm going with the younger, hungry, determined Samuel Peter to win by KO.

[El Bombasto]

Peter is an overrated bum who's greatest asset (his power) seems to be greatly overrated. However, Maskaev will be 40 by the time they meet and does not seem to want this fight.

[Zakman]

Slim or none. Expect glass-jawed Oleg to be gone well before the bell rings for the 5th. :yep

[kg0208]

Not if Peter has continued to improve his boxing skills. Their chins aren't anywhere near the same caliber, so if Maskaev is forced to trade, he loses. This isn't Rahman...

[Amsterdam]

None, I'd have picked the greener version of Peter to brutally dispose of old, slow, chinny Maskaev early. Peter had at least improved some and will do it even easier, this is the easiest pick... it may end in the first two rounds.

Maskaev has no legs, whoever picks Maskaev is foolish.

[andyZOR]

I was gonna make this thread sooner or later, anyways GJ.

I give Maskaev a decent chance agianst Peter. I don't think he would knock him out, but the chances of him getting a MD is pretty good towards me.

[AJAX]

it is the easiest pick, but I don't think it will happen as easily as you think. when the time comes I'll make an avatar bet if your willing.And I'll pick an old,chinny Maskaev with no legs.

[El Bombasto]

He's got a chance at beating that slow and plodding bum

[joe the great]

I think he has a 50-50 chance Arthur.

[Musashi]

Of course he has a chance. How good it is, that's hard to say. Maskaev is maybe a little more skilled then Peter, and has good power. They're both slow, but the younger Peter might be a little quicker. Maskaev doesn't have the strongest chin, but it can be ok at points. It's kind of inconsistent. Sometimes he can take a punch. Rahman (who does hit hard) landed plenty of flush punches, and he couldn't finish Oleg. David Tua took most of the fight before he could KO Maskaev, and he's one of the hardest punchers in this era. Yet, Oleg has been KO'd several other times by weaker punchers than Rahman and Tua.

The point is, people shouldn't necessarily count on Oleg folding the second he's hit square. Yes, Peter is (and deserves to be) the favorite. Yes, Oleg's chin seems to be inconsistent. But he is a tough, cagey fighter, and Sam Peter would be foolish to assume Oleg willl just roll over for him. Don't be surprised if Maskaev makes it interesting and hangs in the fight for a while.

[Zakman]

The only thing interesting about this fight is how long it will take Peter to starch Oleg. My guess? Somewhere in the first minute or so. :yep

[Amsterdam]

The only thing interesting about this fight is how long it will take Peter to starch Oleg. My guess? Somewhere in the first minute or so. :yep

My personal prediction is Peter KO 1, Oleg's movement is just THAT bad at this point and his defence and chin are no better. It's well known that Oleg is extremely vulnerable to hooks, well, being that Peter throws monsterous hooks and that we have a slow target with a weak chin....

Who the hell would realistically pick Maskaev? This is about as certain as Klitschko vs. Austin was!:yep

[Carlos Primera]

i like oleg for the rahman beatdowns and cause he seems like a humble guy, but peter destroys him.

[brooklyn1550]

The only thing interesting about this fight is how long it will take Peter to starch Oleg. My guess? Somewhere in the first minute or so. :yep

I say anywhere from 1 to 4

[rekcutnevets]

I don't expect Oleg to win, but he does have a small chance. Peter is vulnerable againt a good one two, and Maskaev does have that.

[JETSKI]

I am also leaning towards Oleg's ring experience, overall toughness ( at least in his newest winning streak) , and impressive stamina to pull this one off and win Oleg a decision against the plodding, limited Peter.

Good post. I agree that with Oleg being the better boxer/technician compared to Peter being limited & still somewhat raw, as long as Maskaev doesn't get careless, he should outpoint him.

[JETSKI]

Boy will you be surprised when you see Oleg school Peter man :lol:

I am telling you. It will depend on how dedicated Peter is.

to make him a champion now is ridiculous and the fact that people are telling him its in the bag does nothing more then pudgy up his already inflated self perception.

Peter is a lower tier olympian who wasn't even that experienced.

He has his chances early, but even if he lands OM is experienced enough to pull a clinch fest like Wlad.


IT WILL then depend on if Peter is wise enough or conditioned enough to fight out of htem, and how the bad tactics he uses will be handled by the ref (notably rabbit punching.)



This is a pick em fight based on the fact that Peter is shit at training and Oleg is a monster in the gym.

PLUS OM has huge power too. This is based on YF telling me about his training methods with punching power. OM is heavy handed too and with technical skill and conditioning Peter will find out. :bbb

The question is how will he handle it.

In my last post, I thought about using the word "school" for what Oleg was gonna do to Sam, but I thought that might be a stretch. Maybe its not such a crazy prediction after all.

[AJAX]

The only thing interesting about this fight is how long it will take Peter to starch Oleg. My guess? Somewhere in the first minute or so. :yep

I would like to save this and bring it up on the 29th and then listen to more of your excuses because you are sure full of them.

[JETSKI]

The only thing interesting about this fight is how long it will take Peter to starch Oleg. My guess? Somewhere in the first minute or so. :yep

We sure aren't in agreement this time. What is it about the Nigerian that makes him such a winner in your eyes?

OK. He did show a little more "boxer ability" in his last outing & he does get some power out of those haymakers he chucks...so what is it????


:huh

[Amsterdam]

We sure aren't in agreement this time. What is it about the Nigerian that makes him such a winner in your eyes?


:huh

Iron chin and a good punch, developing abilities, strong as hell.

[Zakman]

We sure aren't in agreement this time. What is it about the Nigerian that makes him such a winner in your eyes?


:huh
There are three major factors in this fight, ALL of which weigh heavily in Peter's favor - power, chin, and youth.

When you add to that that he has improved his boxing skills, this is a virtual NO WIN fight for Oleg. People picking him are not only going against basic logic, but the entire grain of boxing history.

A younger, powerpunching fighter almost always beats an older fighter with a suspect chin.

Peter's chances of winning this fight are well in the 95+ percent range. If Oleg were to win it is an upset of Buster Douglas proportions. Those don't happen very often, take my word for it. I've been following this sport for 30 years.

[Marcus]

Ogel is a good boxer, i still think Peter is just a big puncher.

Im goin for Oleg via over the top rope KO

[JETSKI]

There are three major factors in this fight, ALL of which weigh heavily in Peter's favor - power, chin, and youth.

When you add to that that he has improved his boxing skills, this is a virtual NO WIN fight for Oleg. People picking him are not only going against basic logic, but the entire grain of boxing history.

A younger, powerpunching fighter almost always beats an older fighter with a suspect chin.

Peter's chances of winning this fight are well in the 95+ percent range. If Oleg were to win it is an upset of Buster Douglas proportions. Those don't happen very often, take my word for it. I've been following this sport for 30 years.

Maybe you guys are right. I just don't want to admit it.:think

[robert ungurean]

Yes: If he pulls a gun.

[JETSKI]

It absolutely is not. OM has the technical and experience ability to do just that in conjunction with his training.

It would be more predictable as a fight if OM hadn't been KOed viciously like 3,4 times

but look at guys like Jeremy williams and tauras sykes. they weren't KOed bad by anyone till Peter
and while Wlad was Koed bad he still schooled Peter save for 1 instance in the 10th round and a 5th where shots to the back of the head did the damage.

NOT cause Klitschko had a good chin all of a sudden cause its still kind of crappy BUT cause he used expeirence to hug and got lucky with a ref that would not enforce the rules.


It will depend on the ref too.
Nady would be the worst ref for OM to see in there relatively.
A guy who enforces rabbit punches but turns a blind eye to clinches would be the best ideal ref for OM.

Oleg gives him a lesson, plus one of those "Rahman Specials" through the ropes goodbye!

[Zakman]

Maybe you guys are right. I just don't want to admit it.:think

That's what I'm trying to tell ya, man. The whole of boxing history, logic and common sense tells you that this fight will be a blowout for Peter.

Younger, powerpunching HWs on the way up almost NEVER lose to aging fighters with suspect chins.

The Maskaev supporters are WAY overrating Oleg and WAY underrating Peter. I will be interested in what they have to say after Peter starches him. Probably something like "Oleg was shot anyway....":yep

[Zakman]

Oleg gives him a lesson, plus one of those "Rahman Specials" through the ropes goodbye!

Rahman has a glass jaw; Peter doesn't.:yep

[JETSKI]

Rahman has a glass jaw; Peter doesn't.:yep

Whens the fight? Should be a good one!:!:

I'm outta here...see ya's tomorrow.

[Zakman]

Is LL's chin suspect?

Rahman had huge power and in two fights with LL he knocked him unconscious once and got Koed unconscious basically 2 times by Oleg.

Is the pope Catholic?? Rahman's supposed reputation for "power" comes almost exclusively from his win over Lewis - which had more to do with Lewis's chin than anything else. Similarly, Oleg's rep for power comes mostly from the Rahman fights - and Rahman has an even worse chin that Lewis!!

[brooklyn1550]

The difference in this fight will be Maskaev's chin

[Ashstrodamus]

how IN the hell is oleg gonna oupoint peter?? if toney could not for two fucking fights then oleg will??? rofl, and toney was more than likely on horse roids for christsakes, and peter does not have any stamina?? pop in the second toney peter fight fool!!!!!!! this is regrading that idiot who has jirov's avatar roflStyles make fights and I personally think Peter is in for a big surprise from Oleg. Somebody stated earlier that Peter is vulnerable to the 1-2, and that's Oleg's specialty. I think it's going to be an exciting fight. Oh yeah, greetings from Gretna, VA.

[andyZOR]

OM will come prepared for the Nigerian Monster. I'm expecting good news from Maskaev. Hopefully he can pull out a MD win. He has to the skills to do so.


Tear his ass up Oleg!

[Cachibatches]

Peter is astonishingly overrated. All this fuss because he clocked Jeremy Williams and struggles to a couple of wins against Toney (do we even know if Toney was at least jucied at the time?).

Maskaev is better now than ever. A left hook and some self confidence have done wonders.

This is going to be a good fight.

[Shotgun]

Let me put it this way, I'm picking Peter by KO

But if the fight makes it past 6 rounds and Maskaev is still on his feet, he has a chance to pull it out. Let's face it, Maskaev is still the best true heavyweight Peter has fought by far aside from Wlad. Toney was an old man too, and not a true heavyweight at that (cue the jokes). Peter has only scored one KO past 6 in his career. So if Maskaev weathers the early storm then yeah he has a chance

[Jaaames]

If Peter comes in good shape, look out... If he comes in SSS/ Toney/Peter1 shape, Oleg will likely win the fight by decision....

[Cachibatches]

Em not entirely.
Rahman also KOed Meehan who took Brewster deep.

While Meehan sucks you have to look at those types of comparisons in the heavies today.

I agree with you in a sense, but Peter's power is overrated too.
It comes almost exclusively from wins over guys worse then Rahman.
So how is it Peter's power is better then OM's?

Remember now OM in one of his first pro fights stopped Olympic great, who beat both Lewis and Bowe in the amateurs Miroshnichenko who also had a good pro record to build on.

He also was one of the first to destroy Jefferson and a few other decent type guys OF THE TYPE Peter destroyed.

Peter swings hard but his power is overrated.
Its GOOD but its not THAT GOOD.
OM's chin is susceptible in the sense that he had no defense.
He got up from big bombs by Johnson, Whitaker, Sanders
but it was just that he had no idea how to survive.
NOw he does so it will depend on what Peter can do to capitalize on it if he lands.

He can win and has a good shot but people are discounting Oleg out almost exclusively because Toney was in even worse shape then Peter.

Klitschko success don't count cause
a. who hasn't downed Wlad? Pannell? TOS? Purrity?
b. Even Brock had a round or two won. So did Byrd against Wlad.
To me its just more telling that Sam couldn't put Toney out in two fights than his positive performances against Klit and Williams.

Klit goes down for psychological reasons. we all know this.

Wiliams is a guy that I like, but as a Tuesday night fights allumni, the entire boxing world knows just how limited he is- and one of those limitation is a very shakey chin.

Fans are getting exited over a guy who has never come close to Koing a world class opponent.

Couple this with the fact that MAskaev's chin problems appear to be laregely a thing of the past. He's on a twelve fight win streak, with the last three being a hard-hitting champion and two other relatively live bodies. An improved offense and defense have seemed to improve his own self-confidence issues.

I smell an upset. And lets not forget that it is not inconceivable for Peter to totally blow it by coming in fat.

[Ambition_Def]

The difference in this fight will be Maskaev's chin


It won't just be his chin.

Maskaev is also very slow and methodical. Rahman is a mummy also when it comes to handspeed and foot movement. While it is true that Sam doesn't move much on his toes either, he DOES have fast hands.

Maskaev can put together a decent 1-2, no denying that. But Sam will put together a 1-2 faster. And when Sam sees his opponent hurt he goes all out. Look at what he has done in the past for examples.

Waldo is the only man to date who has beaten Sam, and he had to taste canvas three times to pull that off. Waldo has superior footspeed to Maskaev in every way, and is also much bigger, so clinching is an easier task.

This is gonna be a blowout, and early. Maskaev is just too robotic and too stationary for Sam to miss, even as wild as he throws at times. Think Golota-Brewster here.

[Farmboxer]

Hatton is a sick joke on boxing fans. If the fight is not fixed, Oleg could surprise everyone. I am not impressed with Peter. If Oleg does not beat Peter, Vitali will knock him out!!!!!!!

[huki]

The underrated Big O will beat the overrated Peter and the Nigerian nightmare will go back to doing what he does best, knocking out Julius Long and Jeremy Williams.

[ChrisPontius]

Peter should be a solid favorite, but if Maskaev comes in great shape and Peter comes in over 250, then Maskaev certainly has a good chance. While his chin is somewhat weak, he was also managed very poorly (who's gonna fight McCall in his 7th pro fight?) which makes things look a bit worse. But yeah, he's old.

Untill i see the scales i'll take Peter by TKO. But i don't believe this "Peter has a 95% chance of winning" stuff.

[Cruiser1]

Peter will win. He's got youth on his side and he's facing a guy who's already been stopped 5 times in his career. Maskaev got lucky that it was Rahman in his way of the WBC belt cuz he had his number. Other than that he's the same fighter he always was except now he has a left hook.