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sugarngold

10-18-2009, 09:51 PM

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Beebs

10-18-2009, 10:25 PM

Fairly reasonable request.

OuterDrake

10-18-2009, 10:30 PM

Brock will be dethrone by then.

Flexb

10-18-2009, 10:56 PM

come one. I like Machida but that's awfully brave. If brock gets a hold of him game over.

Flexb

10-18-2009, 11:13 PM

Brock will be dethrone by then.

who the fuk in the UFC is gonna do that? He's demolished each guy he's faced, all of which are top notch.

Tko4

10-18-2009, 11:53 PM

Mazallan

10-19-2009, 08:25 AM

Fair enough. Hope it happens.

PH|LLA

10-19-2009, 08:52 AM

I think Machida beats Lesnar.

Beebs

10-19-2009, 02:20 PM

who the fuk in the UFC is gonna do that? He's demolished each guy he's faced, all of which are top notch.

He thinks Kongo will beat him via blackness.

Sloth

10-19-2009, 03:00 PM

Machida will frustrate Brock.

Rangersfan1982

10-19-2009, 04:17 PM

who the fuk in the UFC is gonna do that? He's demolished each guy he's faced, all of which are top notch.

Top notch? Not a single one of them are even close.

scurlaruntings

10-19-2009, 04:52 PM

Machida will frustrate Brock.Yeah suuuuuuuuuure he will. Brock will beat him into the LIVING DEATH!

Dynamite Kid

10-19-2009, 05:01 PM

You've got to love Machida's drive. He wants to test himself, and there's nothing wrong with that. I can't see him beating Lesnar, but still, I say let him go for it. It's better to see a guy with crazy aspirations than an apathetic one like Anderson Silva. I get the impression Silva could retire tomorrow and not give a shit.

And rightfully so. Everything he's doing right now is just iceing on the cake. He's just doing this because he wants to. Why should he give a shit? He's already a legend.

Spunik

10-19-2009, 05:03 PM

Gorilla Lesnar wins. He'd just Donkey Kong him.....

Much respect to Machida but way too much size difference

valdez

10-19-2009, 05:13 PM

and rightfully so. Everything he's doing right now is just iceing on the cake. He's just doing this because he wants to. Why should he give a shit? He's already a legend.

+1

Flexb

10-19-2009, 10:38 PM

Top notch? Not a single one of them are even close.

Then who is in that weight class? Mir beat Nog, Lesnar destroyed Mir. And lets not forget Lesnar smashing legendary Couture. Mir, Nog and Couture are at the top of the food chain in the UFC heavyweight class. I think you're a little delusional. Brock is the champ for a reason. He's a baby in the MMA world and he's taking out the best like it ain't no thing.

HyperBone

10-20-2009, 08:25 AM

Lesnar is overrated. Yeah, he has freakish strength and very good ground game but Machida can still outpoint him via strikes.

sugarngold

10-20-2009, 11:54 AM

Then who is in that weight class? Mir beat Nog, Lesnar destroyed Mir. And lets not forget Lesnar smashing legendary Couture. Mir, Nog and Couture are at the top of the food chain in the UFC heavyweight class. I think you're a little delusional. Brock is the champ for a reason. He's a baby in the MMA world and he's taking out the best like it ain't no thing.

I still want to see Lesnar make it past the rejuvenated Nogueira. Nog looked like his old self in his fight with couture. I'll take Nog to sub Lesnar at this stage.

codeman99998

10-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Lesnar is overrated. Yeah, he has freakish strength and very good ground game but Machida can still outpoint him via strikes.

Because Lesnar won't be able to take him down?:huh

Dynamite Kid

10-20-2009, 02:34 PM

I still want to see Lesnar make it past the rejuvenated Nogueira. Nog looked like his old self in his fight with couture. I'll take Nog to sub Lesnar at this stage.

We don't know for sure if NOG is rejuvenated. He outclassed a shot 46 yr old man that can't take a punch anymore and who's ground game was never on the same level as NOG's. We'll know if NOG is rejuvenated with his next couple of fights. And even if he was, I doubt he beats Lesnar.

PUMPERG

10-20-2009, 02:57 PM

I think the size will be the difference but machida is pretty defensive though, but Lesner ground and pound

Rangersfan1982

10-20-2009, 05:58 PM

Then who is in that weight class? Mir beat Nog, Lesnar destroyed Mir. And lets not forget Lesnar smashing legendary Couture. Mir, Nog and Couture are at the top of the food chain in the UFC heavyweight class. I think you're a little delusional. Brock is the champ for a reason. He's a baby in the MMA world and he's taking out the best like it ain't no thing.

Mir, Couture and Herring top notch? You are an idiot if you honestly think any of these fighters are top notch.

Flexb

10-20-2009, 08:06 PM

Mir, Couture and Herring top notch? You are an idiot if you honestly think any of these fighters are top notch.

So who is in that division? Quit side-stepping the question and answer already.

Beebs

10-20-2009, 08:15 PM

Mir, Couture and Herring top notch? You are an idiot if you honestly think any of these fighters are top notch.

What the hell?

Name 5 HW's who were "top notch" at the time, outside of Fedor?

Define what top notch is, and who fits that definition, because if Mir and Couture didn't fit that description, only Fedor did.

Beebs

10-20-2009, 08:21 PM

Lesnar is overrated. Yeah, he has freakish strength and very good ground game but Machida can still outpoint him via strikes.

25 minutes is a damn long time to avoid being taken down; If Machida is to win that fight he would almost certainly have to finish it, and be able to fight off his back for at least a while.

I don't think it's impossible for Machida to win that fight, just that he would have to end it; championship fights tend to be less likely to go to decision anyway.

Polymath

10-20-2009, 08:33 PM

^maybe, but Lesnar didn't look good in the Couture fight stamina wise, did he?

Polymath

10-20-2009, 08:36 PM

Mir, Couture and Herring top notch? You are an idiot if you honestly think any of these fighters are top notch.

Dude, give it up.

I think that Lesnars wins need to be qualified, ie Randy was 46 and actually seemed to be wearing him down before his now glass jaw got hit; Mir, while a submission fighter, gets beat up fromthe guard a lot - if you going to be a successful gnp fighter you should really be beating Mir with no trouble; Herring, journeyman? Herring was his most impressive victory; he fought 15 mins against a solid gatekeeper.

Anyway, reagardless of these qualifications, Lesnar has had an awesome start to his career in terms of names and actual quality. Pawel nastula may have had a tougher start in recent times; thats all I can think of. And he lost them all.

OuterDrake

10-20-2009, 08:51 PM

He thinks Kongo will beat him via KTFO.

Fixed

Polymath

10-20-2009, 08:54 PM

Fixed

really?

OuterDrake

10-20-2009, 08:58 PM

...

oh btw. Did you cry yourself to sleep when your butt buddy Damian Maia

got his fucking head clocked!!!???

to bad he thought stand up didn't matter in mma like those gracie advertisment and their idiot followers looking to sniff bjj/wrestlers jock strap for dry DnA

Brock stand up is down right awful. he turtles when he gets over whelmed with striking. Frank Mir had him shook , Kongo finishes.

OuterDrake

10-20-2009, 09:03 PM

really?

:blurp

Flexb

10-20-2009, 09:14 PM

Beebs

10-20-2009, 09:57 PM

oh btw. Did you cry yourself to sleep when your butt buddy Damian Maia

got his fucking head clocked!!!???

to bad he thought stand up didn't matter in mma like those gracie advertisment and their idiot followers looking to sniff bjj/wrestlers jock strap for dry DnA

Brock stand up is down right awful. he turtles when he gets over whelmed with striking. Frank Mir had him shook , Kongo finishes.

LOL, I was pretty neutral about it, Marquardts a great guy and Ive been to his gym in Denver. He also happens to be one of those grapplers too for the record.

Brock has never been overwhelmed with strikes, he's sort of been busy knocking guys on their ass.

Kongo sure didn't finish Heath Herring, the one common opponent him and Brock share. Forget finish, he didn't win, he damn sure didn't get the better of the standup, he certainly didn't break his orbital bone and drop him with the first punch of the fight.

Sure didn't finish Cain Velasquez, didn't beat him either.

Pretty hard to take you as anything but a joke if you honestly believe Kongo is even deserving of a title fight, let alone thinking he would be even remotely competitive with Lesnar. The guy just isn't that good, by far the most impressive thing he's done is knock Mirko's nuts into his stomach.

But yea, Mir sure had Lesnar worried on the feet; especially in the first fight when Lesnar dropped him with the first punch, which seems to be a pretty common thing for a guy with "terrible standup" :lol:

You really are a pathetic joke.

OuterDrake

10-21-2009, 04:59 PM

LOL, I was pretty neutral about it, Marquardts a great guy and Ive been to his gym in Denver. He also happens to be one of those grapplers too for the record.

Brock has never been overwhelmed with strikes, he's sort of been busy knocking guys on their ass.

Kongo sure didn't finish Heath Herring, the one common opponent him and Brock share. Forget finish, he didn't win, he damn sure didn't get the better of the standup, he certainly didn't break his orbital bone and drop him with the first punch of the fight.

Sure didn't finish Cain Velasquez, didn't beat him either.

Pretty hard to take you as anything but a joke if you honestly believe Kongo is even deserving of a title fight, let alone thinking he would be even remotely competitive with Lesnar. The guy just isn't that good, by far the most impressive thing he's done is knock Mirko's nuts into his stomach.

But yea, Mir sure had Lesnar worried on the feet; especially in the first fight when Lesnar dropped him with the first punch, which seems to be a pretty common thing for a guy with "terrible standup" :lol:

You really are a pathetic joke.

its mma, look up most of the all time greats, they all lost to mediocre opponents. Anderson Silva lost to unknown jap fighters with near even amount of losses as they do wins. Couture loss to

Valentijn Overeem
26-23

Enson Inoue 11-8

i can go on .

Who cares if Heath won a close split decision. He couldn't beat Cro cop where kongo did, their all in the same rankings. in the beginning the strikers always struggle, but they all come around and develop a good streak late in their career against grapplers they can sprawl and use their striking.
Alistar Overeem is a good example of this.

His fight with Cain was taken on short notice and he gave him a beating on the feet. Kongo loss due to him losing the underdog status trying to perfect his grappling. Kongo needs full time training in his wrestling, but he's doing the right thing by trying to mix wrestling with striking in a paceful defensive way of fighting. That's what he tried to prove in the herring fight, to out grapple him the way Overeem is doing now in a his recent fights.

Mikey11

10-22-2009, 04:51 PM

If Brock gets hold of LM with his xxxl gloves, LM is doomed.

Nuke

10-22-2009, 08:34 PM

cloud_cyc

10-23-2009, 08:57 AM

Yeah suuuuuuuuuure he will. Brock will beat him into the LIVING DEATH!

nah i agree that machida will frustrate the shit out of brock. but i'm scared of what brock might do with him once he gets a hold of lyoto which IMO is unevitable.. i don't think lyoto can shake off brocks hold like he did with other guys and brock is too smart ( i hope ) to try to beat lyoto with a stand-up. this will most likely end with brock KO via GNP

cloud_cyc

10-23-2009, 09:03 AM

We haven't even seen Lesnar take a punch, who is to say that Lyoto doesn't catch HIM with the first punch?

Maybe I just don't like Brock but I haven't been TOO impressed with him yet other then his size. I want to know what he does when someone lands a shot on him.

Oh and I am tired of listening to people try to justify how good he is, the way I see it is if you have to fight this hard to justify how good he is maybe he isn't as good as you think. Being great should be obvious, ie Fedor, A. Silva, GSP

he has good speed for a big man and athleticism to add with his size ( reminds me of Shaq, what makes him "special" is that he can carry that much weight compared to other fighters his own size ). i agree that he is not as great as Fedor, Silva, and GSP. but i think he will reign as the champ for a long time given that Fedor doesnt decide to jump to UFC.

cloud_cyc

10-23-2009, 09:07 AM

^maybe, but Lesnar didn't look good in the Couture fight stamina wise, did he?

this is what im concerned about too. if machida somehow gets to avoid getting into brock hands for like 3 rounds. brock "might" start to gas and slow down.

but regardless of the outcome, i will still have mad respect for machida

sugarngold

02-06-2010, 09:53 PM

I think Machida could do it as well.

Grievesy

02-06-2010, 10:46 PM

I think Machida could do it as well.

What, beat Lesnar or defend 5 times? Both look less likely after his last outing.

sugarngold

02-06-2010, 11:02 PM

What, beat Lesnar or defend 5 times? Both look less likely after his last outing.

Both. I thought Machida's fight against Shogun was one of his best performances short of KO'ing various opponents. There probably wasn't another fighter in the UFC light heavyweight division that could have turned back Shogun's assault that night.

Grievesy

02-06-2010, 11:08 PM

Both. I thought Machida's fight against Shogun was one of his best performances short of KO'ing various opponents. There probably wasn't another fighter in the UFC light heavyweight division that could have turned back Shogun's assault that night.

Perhaps. But for me that fight brought Machida back down to earth, at least from our perspective. He doesn't have that aura of invincibility that a lot of us thought he had before the Shogun fight (me included). As for beating Lesnar, he's too small I would think but I suppose it isn't totally out of the question that he could win.

KCD

02-07-2010, 04:53 AM

Its one thing Machida stuffing a Tito Ortiz takedown, but its a completley different ballgame trying to keep a 280lb very good wrestler from taking you to the mat and raping you.

I personally think Brock takes this one quite easily.

196osh

02-07-2010, 08:54 AM

sugarngold

02-07-2010, 10:49 AM

Well that's a good point - but as the saying goes "speed kills" in the fight game and Machida will be faster than Brock.

Rattler

02-07-2010, 11:30 AM

We haven't even seen Lesnar take a punch, who is to say that Lyoto doesn't catch HIM with the first punch?

Maybe I just don't like Brock but I haven't been TOO impressed with him yet other then his size. I want to know what he does when someone lands a shot on him.

Oh and I am tired of listening to people try to justify how good he is, the way I see it is if you have to fight this hard to justify how good he is maybe he isn't as good as you think. Being great should be obvious, ie Fedor, A. Silva, GSP

Was Silva obviously great when he lost in his 11th, 15th and 19th professional fights? Lesnar has had five pro fights, is learning as he goes and is already the second best HW in the world in less than three years of fighting.

Silva obviously took a long time to truly be great, yet Lesnar doesn't get a minute to prove himself. It's fucking ridiculous.

chimba

02-07-2010, 04:02 PM

I have 5 favorite fighters and Machidas one of them but Brock is closer to a gorilla than a 205'er. Machida is unbelievable though.

don owens

02-08-2010, 01:00 AM

I can respect what Machida has accomplished and his willingness to fight Lesar. Lesnar is beatable but Machida aint gonna do it. sorry.