This Froch bashing is a disgrace

[pne buz]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

[BURNLEYBLUE]

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[Dirt99]

totally agree! it was a VERY close fight that coulda gone either way but as the champion and the more aggressive fighter Froch deserved the win. Maybe a draw woulda been the best outcome. People have to agree that Dirrell produced a poor fight to watch. Remind me alot of the Calazaghe/Hopkins fight!

[icemax]

The reaction on the general forum is close to hysteria...its hilarious...its as though Froch didn't just job Dirrell but raped their mothers in the process. I've never seen grown men act in that way, truly funny.

[Johnboy2007]

Dont normally post on these threads but i bloody agree mate! Calzaghe gets slammed for having a career that didnt take on the best opposition. Now froch gets slammed for being flawed! Yes hes flawed, yes hes not my favourite fighter ever ( far from it!!) But you cant doubt that he is taking on the biggest challenges out there win or loose youve got to respect that. And this Direll won by miles and the decision was a fecking disgrace is rubbish. I had Direll winning but i saw it as a close fight and accept the judges saw it differently to me.!

[Unforgiven]

I would like to agree. I do admire his willingness to fight anyone.

But Froch's comments after the fight blaming it all on Dirrell's negativity, and all this stuff where he's been calling out the retired Calzaghe, and even now seriously saying he'd have beaten Marvin Hagler with a "half-Leonard, half-Hearns" style, it's beginning to grate on me.

He needs to concentrate on being a BETTER fighter and improving on his performances. He looked shabby Saturday night, and for most of the Taylor fight too. So talking about how he's better than Benn and Eubank and even Hagler (!) and how Calzaghe avoided him, and sniping at young Dirrell without addressing his own shortcomings first, it doesn't impress.

[Beeston Brawler]

How do you know they were grown men, anyway?

It happens every time there is a fight which could be considered debatable. From a decent view in the arena, I had Froch winning by one..... maybe I might have Dirrell winning from the sofa in front of the telly.

There isn't much Froch bashing, not on the Brit forum anyway, just the usual realism from where I am sitting. It was a less than stellar performance from Froch, as he indeed admitted, but all this 'exposed' BS that we are reading over there is just nonsense.

What did we really find out that wasn't already common knowledge?

Froch is easy to hit.

Froch has sloppy footwork.

Froch has a decent chin.

Froch can get right hand happy.

Froch sometimes has dodgy punch selection.

Froch has a big heart.

Thanks very much, I appreciate your input, Mr General Forum :roll:

[threethirteen]

What i enjoy is how everyone on the GF has become an expert at scoring fights - it's incredible. One close decision and they are all go-to guys for boxing analysis.

[KingCobra]

Froch did look poor on Sat night. Having said that I think Dirrell's style would make anyone look poor. When all's said and done no robbery took place, just a close decision which could have gone either way. If it had gone to Dirrell I don't think (even as a Froch fan) I would have bitched about it this much. Time to put this one to bed and move on methinks. I'm disappointed with Carls performance but he still gets my support.

[Unforgiven]

What did we really find out that wasn't already common knowledge?

Froch is easy to hit.

Froch has sloppy footwork.

Froch has a decent chin.

Froch can get right hand happy.

Froch sometimes has dodgy punch selection.

Froch has a big heart.

Yeah, but all his talk of KOing Dirrell, and winning the whole tournament and the excuses he gave for his shortcomings in the Taylor fight makes it reasonable for us to expect or demand some improvement.

He's talking like "I can do this, I can do that", so he's setting himself up for serious flak when he falls short.

[threethirteen]

Dont normally post on these threads but i bloody agree mate! Calzaghe gets slammed for having a career that didnt take on the best opposition. Now froch gets slammed for being flawed! Yes hes flawed, yes hes not my favourite fighter ever ( far from it!!) But you cant doubt that he is taking on the biggest challenges out there win or loose youve got to respect that. And this Direll won by miles and the decision was a fecking disgrace is rubbish. I had Direll winning but i saw it as a close fight and accept the judges saw it differently to me.!

The weird thing is, Froch HAS to take on the biggest challenges cause he's not popular enough to make easy money. That's the reality of this.

[pne buz]

Yeah, but all his talk of KOing Dirrell, and winning the whole tournament and the excuses he gave for his shortcomings in the Taylor fight makes it reasonable for us to expect or demand some improvement.

He's talking like "I can do this, I can do that", so he's setting himself up for serious flak when he falls short.

Yeah because no other boxers talk themselves up into something they are not do they!:roll:

I think you will find Mr Froch to be more tongue in cheek than most!

[mgmvegas]

agree with most comments ...most of his fights recently have been belters so it's safe to assume that dirrells style was the deciding factor in the performance. let's see what the opinion is after a few more rounds of this tourno are finished.

i reckon Carl will take a lot of punishment against MK and AA but i also think it will be more suited to his style and he will land more so they are by no means foregone conclusions in my eyes.

[Unforgiven]

What i enjoy is how everyone on the GF has become an expert at scoring fights - it's incredible. One close decision and they are all go-to guys for boxing analysis.

Well, it shouldn't be rocket science.
The one who scores the greater quantity of punches and better quality of punches should win.
IMO, Dirrell had both those areas sewed up in more than 6 of the rounds.

[Unforgiven]

Yeah because no other boxers talk themselves up into something they are not do they!:roll:

I think you will find Mr Froch to be more tongue in cheek than most!

Plenty of fighters talk themselves up into something they are not.
And they all take flak for it. :deal

(Audley Harrison being the pinnacle of examples.)

[Kid Lucky]

Totally agree - he's always talked about doing it the 'right way' and so has his promoter.

Froch and Haye are throwbacks - genuinely they will take on anyone and if they lose they lose. For years I stopped watching boxing as the WBF and IBO and Sky delivered worse and worse fights for meaningless tidles. Until recently British boxing for the last 20 years has been absolutely disgusting in how its been promoted.

Froch wins against live opposition 3 times in a row and he's somehow let people down by saying he'd like to have fought Hagler etc and getting a close decision.

To nick an idea off Beeston...

Froch likes to talk trash - guilty

Froch has a high opinion of himself - guilty

Froch fights the best fighters out there - guilty

Froch is frustrated by his performance and that of his opponent on Saturday - guilty

Froch has superb defensive skills, quick hands and is the most gifted British boxer of all time - not guilty.

Big fucking deal!

[Jetset78]

Agree with opening post - well said mate

[pne buz]

Plenty of fighters talk themselves up into something they are not.
And they all take flak for it. :deal

(Audley Harrison being the pinnacle of examples.)

Froch is unbeaten and fighting in a tournament with the best 6 fighters of his division.Harrison has just won prizefighter against has beens,area champs and fledgling prospects having already lost 4 pro bouts against at best average operators in a career going nowhere:deal

[Beeston Brawler]

Totally agree - he's always talked about doing it the 'right way' and so has his promoter.

Froch and Haye are throwbacks - genuinely they will take on anyone and if they lose they lose. For years I stopped watching boxing as the WBF and IBO and Sky delivered worse and worse fights for meaningless tidles. Until recently British boxing for the last 20 years has been absolutely disgusting in how its been promoted.

Froch wins against live opposition 3 times in a row and he's somehow let people down by saying he'd like to have fought Hagler etc and getting a close decision.

To nick an idea off Beeston...

Froch likes to talk trash - guilty

Froch has a high opinion of himself - guilty

Froch fights the best fighters out there - guilty

Froch is frustrated by his performance and that of his opponent on Saturday - guilty

Froch has superb defensive skills, quick hands and is the most gifted British boxer of all time - not guilty.

Big fucking deal!

Agree with all that, though I wasn't Froch bashing :good

[Kid Lucky]

Agree with all that, though I wasn't Froch bashing :good

Didn't think you were fella.

[Johnboy2007]

The weird thing is, Froch HAS to take on the biggest challenges cause he's not popular enough to make easy money. That's the reality of this.

Fair point.

I think generally i just dont read into personalities too much. I dont generally care if the fighter is a nice guy or down to earth ( although it is a refreshing change) When people say hes full of himself and bull shitting they are right but alot of fighters if not most of them do. You have to have that self belief. At the end of the day you are selling yourself and the fight to people. Weather they watch it to get your arogant arse kicked or cos they like you makes no difference in money terms. I just try not to read too much into it. Most of it is an act. iv heard froch be a complete prick and also heard him down to earth ( and talk about how really he is insecure!!!). But at the end of the day couldnt give a toss either way lol!:good

Maybe thats just me lol

[Johnboy2007]

I thought the pre-fight interview was a bit much saying metaphorically id slit his throat if i had to. And if he gets a bad decision in germany hed beat up the judges or something.

Dont think he quite realises that its not scary ...just funny. Carl you aint Duran lol:good

[mcguirpa]

The weird thing is, Froch HAS to take on the biggest challenges cause he's not popular enough to make easy money. That's the reality of this.


That's just not true. Hatton and Calzaghe built their profiles by fighting people a level below them. Froch's problem is, and always has been, time. He just hasn't been busy enough throughout his career.

He might claim he's been avoided, funny though - Calzaghe never had a shortage of opponents at any stage of his career.

Ricky Hatton is also a good example. Fought 8 times in '98, 6 times in '99 and 2000, then an average of 4 times a year up until his fight with Tzsyu in 2005. THAT'S how you build a career, and that's why Hatton is almost a happily retired multi-millionnaire whilst Carl is a respected chamion struggling to draw a crowd.

Haye has the same problem, 5 fights in 3 years just isn't enough to build a profile.

[lurcher]

i was carried along with the crowd but could not beleive the spilt decision as for 12 rounds i was hoping someone would let the tyres down on dirrells pushbike.
any challenge to a champion should be done with pressure and commitment, two things i did'nt see from dirrell, and all frochy could do was just stalk him and with a littie rough-housing try to draw him into firefight.
dirrell could have took a leaf out of frochys last fight and seen what it takes when going into your foes backyard.

[LHL]

The general forum get worked up over anything remember awesome Arron Williams lost to Hernandez :lol: they went ape shit on that for a while even though the fight could have went either way.

[Rangersfan1982]

Totally agree. Dirrel didn't do enough to win the fight. Run, clinch, run clinch.

[GPater11093]

to be fair i have hated froch for ages

[trotter]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

Agree totally, let's enjoy this ride !

[trotter]

That's just not true. Hatton and Calzaghe built their profiles by fighting people a level below them. Froch's problem is, and always has been, time. He just hasn't been busy enough throughout his career.

He might claim he's been avoided, funny though - Calzaghe never had a shortage of opponents at any stage of his career.

Ricky Hatton is also a good example. Fought 8 times in '98, 6 times in '99 and 2000, then an average of 4 times a year up until his fight with Tzsyu in 2005. THAT'S how you build a career, and that's why Hatton is almost a happily retired multi-millionnaire whilst Carl is a respected chamion struggling to draw a crowd.

Haye has the same problem, 5 fights in 3 years just isn't enough to build a profile.

I dunno. 9,000 at 3am is a good crowd.

[rhinocoote]

agree with most comments ...most of his fights recently have been belters so it's safe to assume that dirrells style was the deciding factor in the performance. let's see what the opinion is after a few more rounds of this tourno are finished.

i reckon Carl will take a lot of punishment against MK and AA but i also think it will be more suited to his style and he will land more so they are by no means foregone conclusions in my eyes.

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[zfc]

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!


How can we expect to enjoy watching Froch when he was made to look a mug by an 18 fight novice? Froch barely laid a glove on Dirrell as he was to quick and too sharp for Froch`s crude wild attacks but managed to hit Froch 286 times. Froch`s last 3 fights have been rather disappointing if you are Froch fan,Taylor put him on his backside and gave him a lesson before a last 20 second meltdown.The Pascal fight could have went either way as it was so close.

I will enjoy the next fight when Froch gets knocked out and the fight after that when he gets knocked out again.

[pne buz]

How can we expect to enjoy watching Froch when he was made to look a mug by an 18 fight novice? Froch barely laid a glove on Dirrell as he was to quick and too sharp for Froch`s crude wild attacks but managed to hit Froch 286 times. Froch`s last 3 fights have been rather disappointing if you are Froch fan,Taylor put him on his backside and gave him a lesson before a last 20 second meltdown.The Pascal fight could have went either way as it was so close.

I will enjoy the next fight when Froch gets knocked out and the fight after that when he gets knocked out again.

Has the wife left you for another man today?

[pne buz]

How can we expect to enjoy watching Froch when he was made to look a mug by an 18 fight novice? Froch barely laid a glove on Dirrell as he was to quick and too sharp for Froch`s crude wild attacks but managed to hit Froch 286 times. Froch`s last 3 fights have been rather disappointing if you are Froch fan,Taylor put him on his backside and gave him a lesson before a last 20 second meltdown.The Pascal fight could have went either way as it was so close.

I will enjoy the next fight when Froch gets knocked out and the fight after that when he gets knocked out again.

So on a serious note you didnt enjoy any of the fights,you dont like the fact that we have a Brit taking part in the super 6.And because Froch has dared to have a poor night against hot shoes dirrell and made a brave 1st defence away from home against a top yank after providing us with fight of the year against Pascal you want to see him get KO'd(twice)?

What a tosser and a true patriot you are!

[dan-b]

So we're not allowed to voice any discontent about a result anymore? Instead, you propose, we blindly follow a fighter just because he has the right passport?

[pne buz]

So we're not allowed to voice any discontent about a result anymore? Instead, you propose, we blindly follow a fighter just because he has the right passport?

Not at all,just reacting to the ridiculously poor last line in his comments.Thats what the whole thread is about Froch bashing!We all have our opinions on who got the verdict,but as a brit why would you wish him to be sparked out for having a bad night at the office against somebody who just wanted to run away(quickly).He is fighting guys at the top of their division one after the other and losing is no disgrace!

[dan-b]

Not at all,just reacting to the ridiculously poor last line in his comments.Thats what the whole thread is about Froch bashing!We all have our opinions on who got the verdict,but as a brit why would you wish him to be sparked out for having a bad night at the office against somebody who just wanted to run away(quickly).He is fighting guys at the top of their division one after the other and losing is no disgrace!

The reason I want to see him sparked is because he compared himself to Leonard and Hagler. The guy's a one dimensional fighter with heart and fitness but absolutely no finesse; he can't even throw combos! I was behind him after the Pascal and Taylor fights but the guy's an ego maniacal, deluded dick head. Kessler is going to make a fool of him, and I'll enjoy it.

[TheUzi]

He was shit IMO against Taylor too.

Showed good courage but just has no class.

[kieron]

It's just a typically British thing to do and you're right it's annoying. I am all for people having their own opinions about the result but you can't knock Froch for the manner in which he is going about his career. This is one occaision where taking a leaf out of the yanks book is called for and actually show some patriotism to a British champion

[dan-b]

It's just a typically British thing to do and you're right it's annoying. I am all for people having their own opinions about the result but you can't knock Froch for the manner in which he is going about his career. This is one occaision where taking a leaf out of the yanks book is called for and actually show some patriotism to a British champion

That's bollocks. I'm a fan of boxing, not fighters. I'm happy to leave blind nuthugging to others. If Froch apologises for comparing himself to Leonard and Hagler, I might consider getting behind him again. Besides, I'll buy his PPVs regardless, so what does it matter if I want him to win or not?

[pne buz]

The reason I want to see him sparked is because he compared himself to Leonard and Hagler. The guy's a one dimensional fighter with heart and fitness but absolutely no finesse; he can't even throw combos! I was behind him after the Pascal and Taylor fights but the guy's an ego maniacal, deluded dick head. Kessler is going to make a fool of him, and I'll enjoy it.

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Yes im sure he meant it about leonard and hagler.Anyway if i see him i will pass him your best wishes for the fight.Dont forget to wash and iron your Danish flag!:smooch

[Hagler/Pryor]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

No. It's just the backlash to Froch's fans' wild overrating of their favourite, their disparaging comments vis-a-vis anyone else in the division and Froch's direct competition, in particular, and Froch's own verbal antics pre and post fight and the contrast between the latter and his performance and conduct in the ring. Froch and his devout following have brought this on themselves. It wouldn't have happened with any other fighter at 168 lbs quite so much. You will see how many non Europeans will cheer if Kessler KOs Froch.

[pne buz]

No. It's just the backlash to Froch's fans' wild overrating of their favourite, their disparaging comments vis-a-vis anyone else in the division and Froch's direct competition, in particular, and Froch's own verbal antics pre and post fight and the contrast between the latter and his performance and conduct in the ring. Froch and his devout following have brought this on themselves. It wouldn't have happened with any other fighter at 168 lbs quite so much. You will see how many non Europeans will cheer if Kessler KOs Froch.

Think i may start selling Danish flags for Xmas,could make a packet!:think

[dan-b]

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Yes im sure he meant it about leonard and hagler.Anyway if i see him i will pass him your best wishes for the fight.Dont forget to wash and iron your Danish flag!:smooch

As I said in my previous post, I'm a fan of boxing first, not fighters. All the best wishes in the world aren't going to help him in this fight though.

[Little Tyson]

Froch is a brilliant fighter. Its a shame he doesnt get enough credit as he does today. I mean no other fight for along time has fought the likes of Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell all on the spin and won them all. Froch once hes won this tournament ;) will be looked back on as one of the greatest British boxers of all time.

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[kosaros]

The reason I want to see him sparked is because he compared himself to Leonard and Hagler. The guy's a one dimensional fighter with heart and fitness but absolutely no finesse; he can't even throw combos! I was behind him after the Pascal and Taylor fights but the guy's an ego maniacal, deluded dick head. Kessler is going to make a fool of him, and I'll enjoy it.

No offence, but that is a pretty dumb reason to want to see a fighter getting sparked. Was he going to get extra publicity and get more PPV buys by saying he would be smashed by those two?

[dan-b]

No offence, but that is a pretty dumb reason to want to see a fighter getting sparked. Was he going to get extra publicity and get more PPV buys by saying he would be smashed by those two?

Why did he even need to mention them? That isn't the only reason anyway; he showed a complete lack of technique the other night, it was really bad.

[Beeston Brawler]

Unless he really hate the British fighter (like Audley Harrison) - or really like the foreign one (Rafa Marquez/Williams etc) I would always want them to beat a forgeign opponent, especially an American one.

[punchdrunkgench]

this froch bashing is gettin out of hand it appears everything he has said and done since year dot is being analysed and pulled apart

froch didnt score the fight the judges did and they choose to score desire over direels speed of hand and foot are they right? maybe not but 10 people could witness exactly the same event and would have ten different opinions of what they see

froch didnt fight well infact that was one of his worst performances in recent years however he has put in plenty of good ones in that time and giving boxing fans across the world some truely exciting fights on his way to becoming a world champion

[KingCobra]

I still think Froch can do well in this Tournie even though he's getting written off all over the place. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. I want to see how Kessler fares following his year out and how Dirrell does against another higher level opponent in AA. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see AA made to look amateurish against Dirrell in a similar way to Froch. In a way I'm pleased that Froch is receiving all this negative commentary because I reckon he's the sort of guy to store that angst up and unleash it on an opponent in the ring. The poor performance and the criticism will rekindle the fire just as his new found popularity was causing the flames to ebb.

[ero-sennin]

Wishing ill and hating a fighter is stupid, I agree, but there's nothing wrong with criticizing him. At the end of the day this guy does a lot of talking, and people support boxers for a number of reasons including their personality. He will be judged on that just like everybody else. As for the comments about him being a limited fighter, we knew that anyway even before saturday night.

[RyDogg123]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

But the way people actually believe hes world class and that hes a massive puncher with a great chin is madness! Hes not a huge puncher he only stopped and beat Taylor cos hes a lazy twat with shit stamina n Dirrell has been put down be4 and put on queer street by so called lesser fighters. Dirrell won that fight and was robbed. Matthew Barney went the distance with him for gods sake. Hes cheeky for even mentionin Calzaghes name and puttin himself on a par with him cos some of the dudes calzaghe beat tht he gets slagged of for beatin wud of done froch. Bika would do him n i would even back Manfredo to have a bash, prime robin reid wud of beat froch, byron mitchell would aswell.
So i think some of the criticism is only right really!

[mcguirpa]

I dunno. 9,000 at 3am is a good crowd.

This is my point though.

He'd get those 9,000 in Nottingham regardless of who he was fighting, and he can't do any worse on the TV deal either. He doesn't have to take the big fighters.

What he lacks is the time to build his profile whilst fighting mediocre opposition, so that when he takes the big fights there's enough interest to get big fight money.

[Farmboxer]

Froch came to America and fought Taylor which too balls. I respect him. From made the fight with Dirrell who just fell on canvas, complained, ran, held, but did not fight. Froch won the fight fair and square.

[scunny slugger]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!
fully agree mate

[kieron]

That's bollocks. I'm a fan of boxing, not fighters. I'm happy to leave blind nuthugging to others. If Froch apologises for comparing himself to Leonard and Hagler, I might consider getting behind him again. Besides, I'll buy his PPVs regardless, so what does it matter if I want him to win or not?

Talk is part of boxing and should be taken with a huge pinch of salt so you shouldn't hold that against Froch and as far as I'm concerned it's not bollocks that the British way is to take pleasure in ripping apart our own. The British media do it too, right or wrong you can hardly say that's bollocks. I just feel it would make a refreshing change for us British boxing fans to actually cut our own a bit of slack in the support stakes. Constructive criticism is one thing but the bashing the guy has received is ridiculous. A good portion of pros come on these forums and the general negativity displayed by their fellow countryman can't be good to read. Also it's called patriotism, not nuthugging. I believe that is an Americanism that you have misused in this context

[Beeston Brawler]

But the way people actually believe hes world class and that hes a massive puncher with a great chin is madness! Hes not a huge puncher he only stopped and beat Taylor cos hes a lazy twat with shit stamina n Dirrell has been put down be4 and put on queer street by so called lesser fighters. Dirrell won that fight and was robbed. Matthew Barney went the distance with him for gods sake. Hes cheeky for even mentionin Calzaghes name and puttin himself on a par with him cos some of the dudes calzaghe beat tht he gets slagged of for beatin wud of done froch. Bika would do him n i would even back Manfredo to have a bash, prime robin reid wud of beat froch, byron mitchell would aswell.
So i think some of the criticism is only right really!

Feel free to log out :good

[dan-b]

Talk is part of boxing and should be taken with a huge pinch of salt so you shouldn't hold that against Froch and as far as I'm concerned it's not bollocks that the British way is to take pleasure in ripping apart our own. The British media do it too, right or wrong you can hardly say that's bollocks. I just feel it would make a refreshing change for us British boxing fans to actually cut our own a bit of slack in the support stakes. Constructive criticism is one thing but the bashing the guy has received is ridiculous. A good portion of pros come on these forums and the general negativity displayed by their fellow countryman can't be good to read. Also it's called patriotism, not nuthugging. I believe that is an Americanism that you have misused in this context

I agree to a certain extent but what he said there was damn near blasphemous. The thing about the British media is that they always seem to give criticism and praise in disproportionate amounts, that's why I get annoyed. I think it's good the professionals see some of this stuff, just as I hope Floyd Mayweather is aware of how much he's hated.

As I said, I'll be buying all of Froch's PPVs so I don't see what's wrong with me remarking on him being a dick head, as he was with those remarks. In everyday life people get pulled up for making stupid comments all the time, why should sportsmen be held in such reverence?

Also, I think you'll find "nuthugger" is a colloquialism as opposed to an Americanism.;)

[Flea Man]

How do you know they were grown men, anyway?

It happens every time there is a fight which could be considered debatable. From a decent view in the arena, I had Froch winning by one..... maybe I might have Dirrell winning from the sofa in front of the telly.

There isn't much Froch bashing, not on the Brit forum anyway, just the usual realism from where I am sitting. It was a less than stellar performance from Froch, as he indeed admitted, but all this 'exposed' BS that we are reading over there is just nonsense.

What did we really find out that wasn't already common knowledge?

Froch is easy to hit.

Froch has sloppy footwork.

Froch has a decent chin.

Froch can get right hand happy.

Froch sometimes has dodgy punch selection.

Froch has a big heart.

Thanks very much, I appreciate your input, Mr General Forum :roll:

Agree 100% :good

the difference being is that a lot of General Trolls won't even admit it when their fighter has a dodgy fight (i.e Donaire's recent fight with Concepcion) but when a British fighter has an off performance against an already negative opponent he gets ripped to shreds.

At least we can admit when one of our fighters has an off night. Dirrell vs Abraham is an interesting clash of styles that I'd prefer Arthur to win (in terms of matches that could happen if Dirrell doesn't make the semis and he does) and I think kessler will have an easier nights work against Froch than he did against Andrade as Froch prefers to stand at mid-range and throw the right hand before coming in and from there kessler will have no worries timing, turning, and landing on Frochy.

Shame. Seems Frochy had a pretty difficult draw after all, Dirrell or no Dirrell.

[Bomber_uk]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :good

[mryeags]

Why give Froch the grief it was the judges who scored the bout ... Froch just chased him around all evening - Dirrell was one slippery customer of a style who is very rarely seen ! .... Froch turned up did his upmost and even he said he was dissapointed with his performance , all sportsmen and women have poor performances the guy isnt a robot !

[brown_bomber]

everyone should back off him at least hes taking the big fights against hard opposition something calzaghe never did at all apart from taking on kessler

[Wickio]

Why give Froch the grief it was the judges who scored the bout ... Froch just chased him around all evening - Dirrell was one slippery customer of a style who is very rarely seen ! .... Froch turned up did his upmost and even he said he was dissapointed with his performance , all sportsmen and women have poor performances the guy isnt a robot !

Entirely true. Agree with the judge's scores or not, it wasn't Froch who scored the bout. He tried hard and though he came up short, at least he had the balls to admit he was frustrated with his whole performance, not just Andre's technique.

Rather that giving him a hard time, we should be getting behind him in his upcoming fights.

[Claypole]

Although I was very disappointed with Froch's performance, I shall reserve judgement until the Super Six tournament has finished. I'm now really looking forward to Froch v Kessler and Dirrell V Abraham.

[KingCobra]

Although I was very disappointed with Froch's performance, I shall reserve judgement until the Super Six tournament has finished. I'm now really looking forward to Froch v Kessler and Dirrell V Abraham.

Me too. Some cracking fights to look forward to!

[lurcher]

Froch came to America and fought Taylor which too balls. I respect him. From made the fight with Dirrell who just fell on canvas, complained, ran, held, but did not fight. Froch won the fight fair and square.


Credit from across the pond where they appreciate a fighter who puts it all on the line and shoots from the lip, which is why benn and hatton were big box office and froch and haye have started to turn their heads.
All boxers on all levels are involved in the occasional close or disputed decision but on the whole they satisfy our needs as fight fans and their need for a result.
Personally i enjoyed saturdays/sundays fight and i think its seperated the wheat from the chaff of boxing fans.

[El Cepillo]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!

Dirrell showed his class in the fight. He was certainly a few levels above Froch in terms of skills, talent and ability - so if Dirrell is overrated - what the hell is Froch?!

Also, boxing is about hitting and not being hit. Dirrel has good footwork and moved well. To call that "running away" or whatever, shows a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of the sport.

Personally, I thought Froch's performance was terrible. If he had come out in the post fight interview and said something like "yeah, I had an off night and it wasn't a good performance", then fine. But the guy comes out with a load of shit about Dirrell running, about winning every round blah blah blah.

Froch's pool of talent is pretty shallow. Yet he seems to think he's the white Roy Jones. I admire his willingness to fight, but I'm sick of hearing the shit that comes out of his mouth.

[Claypole]

If Froch is blaming Dirrell for how the fight went, does that mean he wouldn't fight any differently in a rematch?

[TheUzi]

Dirrell showed his class in the fight. He was certainly a few levels above Froch in terms of skills, talent and ability - so if Dirrell is overrated - what the hell is Froch?!

Also, boxing is about hitting and not being hit. Dirrel has good footwork and moved well. To call that "running away" or whatever, shows a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of the sport.

Personally, I thought Froch's performance was terrible. If he had come out in the post fight interview and said something like "yeah, I had an off night and it wasn't a good performance", then fine. But the guy comes out with a load of shit about Dirrell running, about winning every round blah blah blah.

Froch's pool of talent is pretty shallow. Yet he seems to think he's the white Roy Jones. I admire his willingness to fight, but I'm sick of hearing the shit that comes out of his mouth.


Totally agree with this...

Dirrell never stood in front of Froch and slugged it out and gets slated for it. He used his superior boxing skills to frustrate Froch and outclass him.

The only reason I continue to voice my discontent at the decision is because people are now dismissing Dirrells work completely and continue to view the fight with complete bias.

If Dirrell got the nod and Bunce never gave the fight to Froch,I wonder if Frochs fans would still be as quick to voice their 'wrong' opinions on the bout.

[Farmboxer]

Froch won the fight. He could have gone after Dirrell like a complete mad man and knocked him out. Dirrell did not fight, he ran, held, fell down on canvas, and complained. What if Froch had done that?

[TheUzi]

Froch won the fight. He could have gone after Dirrell like a complete mad man and knocked him out. Dirrell did not fight, he ran, held, fell down on canvas, and complained. What if Froch had done that?


Were you watching the same fight?????

He was running about like a madman....he's shit:good

[pne buz]

Dirrell showed his class in the fight. He was certainly a few levels above Froch in terms of skills, talent and ability - so if Dirrell is overrated - what the hell is Froch?!

Also, boxing is about hitting and not being hit. Dirrel has good footwork and moved well. To call that "running away" or whatever, shows a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of the sport.

Personally, I thought Froch's performance was terrible. If he had come out in the post fight interview and said something like "yeah, I had an off night and it wasn't a good performance", then fine. But the guy comes out with a load of shit about Dirrell running, about winning every round blah blah blah.

Froch's pool of talent is pretty shallow. Yet he seems to think he's the white Roy Jones. I admire his willingness to fight, but I'm sick of hearing the shit that comes out of his mouth.

He hardly threw anything,he just danced!

[RafaelGonzal]

Hear we have a guy who is willing to fight meaningfull bouts against any quality opposition that is put in front of him,one after another and he gets slated.He wants to entertain,he wants to brawl and because yet another overrated yank is better at Come Dancing than Froch the knives are out.
We all know his limitations but he has plenty of strengths too which will become more evident in his next bouts methinks.

Anyway whether he wins or loses would you rather he be in the super six or would you rather he have avoided it in favour of a couple of defences against Manfredo Jr and Mario Veit etc.

British fighters mixing it at World level are thin on the ground at the moment so get behind him,enjoy the fights and stop whinging!


I agree this Froch baiting is a fucking disgrace, I admire Froch and Im a Yank. I wish he was ours, mans got guts and sometimes guts is enough..

[jordan1]

everyone should back off him at least hes taking the big fights against hard opposition something calzaghe never did at all apart from taking on kessler


Ya, but they could'nt buy the judges like he can, Em that boy must really like sucking that "dick".

[Dan684]

Jordan, was it as much of a bad decision as the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight ? Both stinkers, both could have gone either way.

[icemax]

Ya, but they could'nt buy the judges like he can, Em that boy must really like sucking that "dick".

Get back to counting your losses, rent boy :deal

[jordan1]

:patschGet back to counting your losses, rent boy :deal

I thought they told you (ESB) two time's this month for you to stay off this site, no faggot's allowed so where telling you again stay off!!!:patsch

[jordan1]

Jordan, was it as much of a bad decision as the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight ? Both stinkers, both could have gone either way.

Both the same, the reason this one get's me going more is how Froch is acting like really beat dirrell, he my have won but froch did not beat the crap outof dirrell in no way. "froch" is very Arrogant for what he sucked in that fight what was so great about him NOTHING...

[icemax]

:patsch

I thought they told you (ESB) two time's this month for you to stay off this site, no faggot's allowed so where telling you again stay off!!!:patsch

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Keep taking the tablets dude....and stay off the sauce, its not the answer :deal

[icemax]

Both the same, the reason this one get's me going more is how Froch is acting like really beat dirrell, he my have won but froch did not beat the crap outof dirrell in no way. "froch" is very Arrogant for what he sucked in that fight what was so great about him NOTHING...

And of course the small matter that Froch supposedly lost you thousands, which is a bonus :hi:

[Dan684]

What are you on about mate ? Could you put those two posts into English for us all ??

Froch has hardly been shouting from the rafters about it has he ? He's said he won which given that he was awarded the decision is true. Calzaghe went about with the 'I've dealt with Hopkins now, he got what was coming to him, NEXT' attitude and then fought Jones ? Froch has a Kessler fight next and has always strived to fight the best. Much more comendable than Joe IMHO

[jordan1]

And of course the small matter that Froch supposedly lost you thousands, which is a bonus :hi:

No faggot where talking about the fight, do you think froch fought a great fight! If Abraham or any other good fighter would have been in that same fight they would have cut the ring and cornered dirrell and Koed him like any good fighter does thats why thy get paid the big bucks.

[icemax]

No faggot where talking about the fight, do you think froch fought a great fight! If Abraham or any other good fighter would have been in that same fight they would have cut the ring and cornered dirrell and Koed him like any good fighter does thats why thy get paid the big bucks.

You won't find one poster on here who would say that Froch fought a great fight...you are arguing with yourself...and, PS, stop pestering, I don't want to suck your dick:deal

[jordan1]

[quote=Dan684;5215240]What are you on about mate ? Could you put those two posts into English for us all ??

Froch has hardly been shouting from the rafters about it has he ? He's said he won which given that he was awarded the decision is true. Calzaghe went about with the 'I've dealt with Hopkins now, he got what was coming to him, NEXT' attitude and then fought Jones ? Froch has a Kessler fight next and has always strived to fight the best. Much more c
omendable than Joe IMHO[/quotets over

Its over now lets see how he does his next 2 fights.