heavyweight Tourney: Rd 1: Andrew Golota .Vs. Jess Willard

[la-califa]

George Carpentier had to pull out of the Tourney due to injury. Late replacement Andrew Golota will be facing Big man Jess Willard. in a ten round battle.

Cast your vote & please explain. please give result of you prediction.
first round. 10 Rounds.

[Maxmomer]

Why ten rounds?

[janitor]

Willard d by DQ

Obviously.

[la-califa]

Why ten rounds?First round of the Tourney. 10 rounds. Second round of the Tourney. 12 rounds. All rounds thereafter are 15 round fights.

[Mendoza]

Why 10 rounds? I think Golota would win a decision in 10 rounds.

[la-califa]

Between Golota's Fouling tactics. He is a decent fighter. I think he could win this fight against Willard. Keeping pressure on Jess & coming out with a ten round decision.

[TheGreatA]

10 rounds would be good for Golota. If it went longer, I believe Golota would foul himself out after finding Willard still there after landing his best shots.

The Willard who fought Jack Johnson was much different from the Willard who fought Dempsey and Firpo.

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For whatever reason Willard reminds me a bit of a giant James J. Corbett in these last couple of rounds.

I'll remain undecided on this based on Golota's unpredictability.

[spittle8]

Willard will have to respect Golota's power and keep his fucking hands up. His mobility might be weird for Golota, and the clinching might invoke the mighty cockpunch. Otherwise, Golota UD.
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[Boilermaker]

Willard will have to respect Golota's power and keep his fucking hands up. His mobility might be weird for Golota, and the clinching might invoke the mighty cockpunch. Otherwise, Golota UD.
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Why would keeping his hands up be a good thing against Golota?

This is an interesting fight. IMO, even though people talk about Golota ruining Bowe, Bowe actually ruined Golota. Golota was very, very good against Bowe and never the same afterwards. The problem is that he couldnt beat Bowe, and when he never really did beat a world class opponent. Plus when the going got tough, he never really got going. One thing we know for sure is that Willard will stick it out as much as possible and will continue to come back. And at some stage he will land some big shots on Golota. If Golota wins, he will know he is in a fight.

Judging by the film that GreatA put up, Prime Willard was not a bad fighter. He certainly seemed to have better lateral movement and better punching technique than Golotal who arm punches a lot. Given his size, i am fairly sure he hits harder than Golota. His workrate though is not in the same league as Golotas. I wonder though how much of this might be down to him fighting more than 2 X the distance of this scheduled fight before this film begins. Also, i got the feeling from this video, that Prime Willard likes to assert himself with an on rushing opponent (not too dissimilar to Vitali) and Jack Johnson's patient counterpunching style did not make for a high work rate in the later rounds. I also wonder whether he did have a deal of respect for JOhnson's power by this stage.

I think that the most likely scenario is a Golota self destruct. I know a lot are going with the shot to the balls finish, but i think it might be as simple as Golota quitting at the start of the 10th after having knocked down Willard and lead on points. But with Willard landing some big shots in the 10th.

[Bummy Davis]

Golota was another flakey guy he had excellent skills and dominated Bowe, at first I thought this kid can be real good but then he blew it, when he did the same in the rematch, I said something is wrong with this guy and the behavior continued. Still Andrew had more talent than he knew but Willard was not bad at all. Willard SD

[ChrisPontius]

What Golota showed against Bowe, particularly the first fight but also the second, is something you rarely see with a 6'4, 230lbs in shape heavyweight. Great combinations, upper bodymovement, punch variety (sometimes with the wrong punches), fast jab.... technically, he pretty much was a complete boxer. But also a complete nutcase.

I think he outclassed Willard for most part and wins a decision if it's only 10 rounds. Willard would stand a better chance in a longer fight, but if Golota could go 7 and 9 rounds against Bowe, then i don't doubt he'd complete 10 against the far inferior Willard. In fact, a stoppage based on Golota constantly hitting Jess wouldn't surprise me. He never proved his chin against a big man like Golota - or any puncher at all - either.

[Boilermaker]

What Golota showed against Bowe, particularly the first fight but also the second, is something you rarely see with a 6'4, 230lbs in shape heavyweight. Great combinations, upper bodymovement, punch variety (sometimes with the wrong punches), fast jab.... technically, he pretty much was a complete boxer. But also a complete nutcase.

I think he outclassed Willard for most part and wins a decision if it's only 10 rounds. Willard would stand a better chance in a longer fight, but if Golota could go 7 and 9 rounds against Bowe, then i don't doubt he'd complete 10 against the far inferior Willard. In fact, a stoppage based on Golota constantly hitting Jess wouldn't surprise me. He never proved his chin against a big man like Golota - or any puncher at all - either.

But who did Golota KO to prove that he had power to rock a world class big man like Willard?

[Addie]

Willard d by DQ

Obviously.

:lol:

[jaffay]

Golota wins every round

[PowerPuncher]

But who did Golota KO to prove that he had power to rock a world class big man like Willard?

Nearly Bowe who has a far more proven chin than Willard. Golota isnt a massive puncher but he is heavy puncher and a sharper 1 than Willard

Golota UD anyway, better skills, technically better, better workrate, more dynamic, better jab and combinations. Willard has a shot of a KO win though

[mcvey]

George Carpentier had to pull out of the Tourney due to injury. Late replacement Andrew Golota will be facing Big man Jess Willard. in a ten round battle.

Cast your vote & please explain. please give result of you prediction.
first round. 10 Rounds.
Golota over 10rds by decision.

[ChrisPontius]

But who did Golota KO to prove that he had power to rock a world class big man like Willard?

He had Bowe on the floor more often than anyone ever had.


Also, the only reason that Willard was a world class big man is because his size and strength were exceptional in his day. He'd probably be a Timo Hoffman today. The only reason he won the title in the first place is because of his endurance against an old, fat unmotivated man, while widely losing the first 15 rounds.

The point isn't really about whether Golota can KO him, the point is that he can TKO him. Willard does have a puncher's chance, though.

[bodhi]

Over 10 rounds there isn´t much to discuss imho. The winner must be Golota. The distance favours Golota heavily there. Over 15 rounds I would pick Willard.

[Unforgiven]

Golota starts off well but Willard stands firm and starts landing a few more uppercuts and straight rights as the fight goes on. As it goes on Golota starts to foul and look anxious. By the 8th or 9th Golota is decidedly flakey, and quits or fouls himself out when Willard hits him a hard right in the 8th, 9th or 10th.
Willard wins, behind on points, and a bit banged up.

[Boilermaker]

He had Bowe on the floor more often than anyone ever had.


Also, the only reason that Willard was a world class big man is because his size and strength were exceptional in his day. He'd probably be a Timo Hoffman today. The only reason he won the title in the first place is because of his endurance against an old, fat unmotivated man, while widely losing the first 15 rounds.

The point isn't really about whether Golota can KO him, the point is that he can TKO him. Willard does have a puncher's chance, though.

He knocked Bowe down, but he never managed to finish him off. He would need to better against Willard, even to TKO him. Bowe had a rock solid chin but he was very easy to hit. Holyfield also managed to knock him down and he does not really have sensational power. Willard is going to be harder to hit because he tries to keep the fight at a longer range and he moves around laterally a lot. The weight on the back foot stance also makes it harder to hit clean (because of the distance issue). And we know that Willard can take plenty of punishment and will keep getting up. Even if Golota is winning, he is going to get very frustrated.

I am not sure how Willards size and strength would rank today. Judging by the film posted of his KO of Johnson, he clearly has far better stamina than any big man today. This usually equates to an excellent chin, which i think it fair to say that his chin would be as good as anyones today. These two factors alone make him a far better proposition than Hoffman, even if his strength was on the same level. Looking at the film, i would say that he would certainly be one of the faster fighters around today, especially considering that we were watching him fight after 20 Rounds! And his lateral movement looks a bit better than most today.

I think the areas he could be said to fall down in would probably be Defensive skills and ability to slip punches. Also, from the film against Johnson his workrate was a bit ordinary, but again this may have been because it was the 20th round. In relation to his power, i agree, that he wouldnt be that much stronger than some of the contemporaries. But, at the very least, i think he would hit as hard or harder than Golota, because he does not seem to arm punch as much on the film.

[janitor]

Over 10 rounds there isn´t much to discuss imho. The winner must be Golota. The distance favours Golota heavily there. Over 15 rounds I would pick Willard.

Even over ten rounds might Golotta not find a way to loose?

[anarci]

But who did Golota KO to prove that he had power to rock a world class big man like Willard?
Willard might have been a world class big man in his day, but he would be a clubfighter now. WIllard never saw a combination of speed,power and size this would be a mismatch and Golota would stop him in 2. In the Modern era WIllard would be a world class big man in the tough man contest,and would win that but would never make it pass the undercards today.

[TheGreatA]

Willard might have been a world class big man in his day, but he would be a clubfighter now. WIllard never saw a combination of speed,power and size this would be a mismatch and Golota would stop him in 2. In the Modern era WIllard would be a world class big man in the tough man contest,and would win that but would never make it pass the undercards today.

Golota didn't even stop Kevin McBride in two.

[Boilermaker]

Willard might have been a world class big man in his day, but he would be a clubfighter now.

Why? Just a hunch?



WIllard never saw a combination of speed,power and size

Well he was used to fighting fighters that were a lot quicker than Golota. And he certainly fought fighters that hit just as hard or harder. I suppose you have a bit of a point regarding size, but it is not as if Willard would be fighting someone any bigger than himself!

Who did Golota ever beat that had the great combination of speed, power and size? Definitely not Tyson or Lewis. Old Jack johnson had a far better combination of speed power and size than anyone that Golota beat.

Who did Golota beat that didnt huff and puff after two rounds?


this would be a mismatch and Golota would stop him in 2.

:patsch If the fight only goes two, i know who my money is on. I just wouldnt be sure if he would get DQd or quit on his stool. If Golota wins, it will be by brutally wearing down his opponent as others have indicated.

In the Modern era WIllard would be a world class big man in the tough man contest,and would win that but would never make it pass the undercards today.

Why because he was fit and in shape?

Let us just assume that (like he had in his day) Willard had good stamina, a good chin, good power and is at the very least a world title level fighter. I am guessing if this is correct then you are tipping Willard?

One could just as easily say that golota was a mentally frail no hoper who would have got kicked around the mining bars and never made it on to the professional scene due to the severe beatings and mental torment he would cop from the hardened miners back in Willards day, but it would seem a bit mythical and ridiculous to suggest this, just as it is ridiculous to say willard was a club fighter level. The fact remains that both fighters were world class fighters not club level fighters.