"I want to Thank God for helping me win...."

[Archie_Moore]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....

[Arthur]

"I want to thank God for helping me beat my opponent until he is unconscious and might have a concussion. " :yep

[boxbox]

i dont think god likes answering prayers that includes beating up someone to win a fight...

[CHATABOX]

If a fighter believes that God helped him win a fight, then he can say what

he wants, its his time in the spot light and his time to enjoy his win and

express how he feels. Same as if he wants to say hi to his mum.

[Silver]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get made at God when you lose?

Discuss....well, you have to think that they believe he is never wrong.

[CHATABOX]

i dont think god likes answering prayers that includes beating up someone to win a fight...



Unless you are a god of war!:lol:

[MSTR]

I don't like how guys like Judah bash people in gangs on the street and act like criminals and then thank God after a win. It is flat out hypocrisy. But I don't mind a fighter thanking god in general, as they are just expressing their beliefs.

[acb]

These guys put their lives on the line, and need everything they can get. If you look across the ring consistantly at trained killers who are trying to concuss you, you may also get religous quickly.

[badger6]

Well what happens when they lose ??? Do they blame him for that too ??? It seems that God is a one way street. People always thank him for good things, but never say shit when bad things happen. That makes a lot of sense.

[badger6]

I don't like how guys like Judah bash people in gangs on the street and act like criminals and then thank God after a win. It is flat out hypocrisy. But I don't mind a fighter thanking god in general, as they are just expressing their beliefs.

You mean you don't remember Judah thanking god for his help with chicken dancing lessons. I can't quite remember, but I think he said it right before trying to bash Jay Nady's brains out with a stool. Or was it after he tried to choke him into a coma ????

[Cookie]

It's more like they're thanking God for giving them the courage to fight. Not for giving them superhuman strength or for striking down the opponent. I don't know about you guys, but I haven't ever seen a losing fighter fall to his knees and beg for divine intervention. So I don't think any fighter suggests that their god had a direct impact in the fight itself.

Either way, I certainly don't have a "huge problem" with it. I don't care what they choose to believe.

[Carlos Primera]

I don't like how guys like Judah bash people in gangs on the street and act like criminals and then thank God after a win. It is flat out hypocrisy. But I don't mind a fighter thanking god in general, as they are just expressing their beliefs.
exactly man it's the hypocrisy of guys like judah that make the god thanking thing ridiculous.

[Club Fighter]

All I know is this. God is unkind to losers.

[El Bombasto]

Pretty stupid thing to say, but I think the fighters mostly say it for themselves. So, to each his own....

[djrock247]

Just once I'd like to hear a fighter BLAME God for a loss! That would be simply hilarious!

[Jazzo]

Most boxers have a low IQ, and "God" is something that they can say when their minds are blank.

It also acts as a nice placebo for some.

[H .]

If a fighter believes that God helped him win a fight, then he can say what

he wants, its his time in the spot light and his time to enjoy his win and

express how he feels. Same as if he wants to say hi to his mum.

I agree with this. :good

[Thread Stealer]

It can be a bit annoying, but it's not that big a deal. I do think it's good if those who always thank God for victories, thank God after a loss for keeping both of them safe or whatever.

Holyfield's religious talk was the funniest after the first Tyson fight. Ferdie kept asking him over and over about fight strategy and fatigue and all Holyfield kept saying was "I thank God".

Ferdie: I hope all of us have God, but in terms of boxing, what did you do to neutralize Tyson?

Holyfield: I'm led by the spirit of God.

[ferd cloupes]

These guys put their lives on the line, and need everything they can get. If you look across the ring consistantly at trained killers who are trying to concuss you, you may also get religous quickly.


i had both barrels trained on the god thankers till i read that

[Sinew]

I dont think some sort of GOD would help anyone win a fight, so its good to talk about fighters that do in a comedic sense,...Like this is a good topic and a good oneliner for a comedian or something.

But other than that ,the answer is NO I dont have a " huge problem " with this .

[Chief_Second]

i've not got a problem with it - people say a lot of stuff, i just care about the fight itself

[Nawfal]

i dont mind if its a quick mention. i think they are probably stupid but its up to them.

i dont like it when they go on and on.

[RonnieHornschuh]

it doesn't matter how close you are to god, thinking that way the pope or the dalai lama would be the best boxers in the world. but believing can give you mental strength, it doesn't matter if there's really someone there. if he is, he doesn't give a ... about who's hitting people best.

[dangerousity]

Alot of fighters are from a poor background where they realied on God for support, in whatever it is. I dont think they pray to God to help him beat someone up, they pray for success in their lives and they thank God when they get it. Look at a guy like Baldo for example or Pac, dont think it would be foolish of them to thank God for their success considering they come from very poor backgrounds and have probably prayed to God all their life for support.

[USMCGixxer6]

If a fighter believes that God helped him win a fight, then he can say what

he wants, its his time in the spot light and his time to enjoy his win and

express how he feels. Same as if he wants to say hi to his mum.

exactly

[newrp01]

Ultimately, hard work and sometimes luck is around a fighter's victory. The more educated you become, the more you realize that "God" as defined by religion is more of a concept. There are good lessons to be learned from the Bible, Koran, Buddhist teachings, etc. But finally, each and every fighter's way to connect with that "intangible force" must be respected.

[Archie_Moore]

What's even better is when a we hear shit like" I'd like to thank god for helping ' Die ***** Die ' go platinum." a salaam a lakim, peace.

:lol: :lol:

[Archie_Moore]

Who cares what the fuck someone says. God only exists in peoples minds so yeah...in their mind -god cares.

Its not shallow to thank god after accomplising something you douche-bag....even if their is mass genocide in third world countries. Do you want the boxer to say" I'm really glad to win this match but I can't thank god cus i'm pissed at him for letting all those ppl die"

i think it would be awesome if ppl got pissed off at "God" if they lost.

It's very shallow to thank God when millions of people die every day in this world. What could be more shallow? As a person you think God cares more about helping you win a boxing match then keeping people alive all over the world. That is the very definition of shallow/selfish :good

It's a one way street, thanking God when you win, but not when you lose. It's bullshit.

[pops]

i figure its ok for the person as long as they don't go all Ebo Elder on the public. Watch his fights and you'll understand the joke....lol

[T.S.]

All the greatest fighters of all time Thank God.
All of the "Greats" past and present do.
If you have a problem with that maybe boxing ain't your scene.

[RonnieHornschuh]

tyson wasn't religious in the beginning, he never thanked god after he knocked tfo everyone. or am i wrong? he became religious in jail and he probably spent too much time praying than training.

[joe the great]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....
You raise a valid point. God cares about your faith. Win or lose you should praise God if you or your opponent do not come up with any life threatening or career ending injury.

[J_Roth]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....Maybe they are thanking God for blessing them with athletic ability. :thumbsup

[eze]

They arn't thanking god for helping them win, they are thanking god for putting them in that position to fight and giving them the skills to win.

Roy Jones has still thanked god after his losses to Tarver and Johnson.

[Executioner]

I have no problem with it

[huki]

Boxers need motivation and hope when they train and fight. Believing in God helps a lot of people push themselves harder and feel more confident / safe. I'm not religious, but if it helps them, how can it be a bad thing? The people that are acting like it's an asshole thing to say are retards. You don't believe in God or religion? Okay, then don't believe in it and don't insult people that religion has helped. People get hope and motivation from different things, only morons would think someone is an idiot for thanking God.

[SweetScienceFan]

If I was a bookie, I sure as hell wouldn't allow God to place any bets. That twisted bastard is fixing all of the fights.

[Thread Stealer]

If I was a bookie, I sure as hell wouldn't allow God to place any bets. That twisted bastard is fixing all of the fights.

Or Satan, if you watch South Park.

[Rollo]

It seems that god let Holyfield down 8 times by now - who would have thought that?

[Jazzo]

If the Americans want to pretend that their god is real, then an American fighter should be stripped of victory if he attributes it to his god.

Saying that his god gave him added strength, for example, would be grounds for an appeal.

[Bigcat]

If it makes the individual feel good.. Its all fine with me.......

There are too many horrible bastards in this world.. Thanking God is a positive thing in a very negetive place.........

[Silver]

If the Americans want to pretend that their god is real, then an American fighter should be stripped of victory if he attributes it to his god.

Saying that his god gave him added strength, for example, would be grounds for an appeal.you saying only american fighters thank god after a win?

[Archie_Moore]

You are so narrow minded and obtuse it makes me realize there is no hope for humanity.

Thanking god doesn't mean 'you think God cares more about helping you win a boxing match then keeping people alive all over the world'. IT MEANS YOU'RE FUCKING THANKING HIM IDIOT.

It means that you think God takes the time to make sure you win a boxing match when there are millions of more important things God could be doing with his/her time/power.

You're the narrow minded one calling someone names on a message board, the no hope for humanity is people like you that freak out over stupid shit. :good :hi: Get a life.

[Archie_Moore]

It is a bad thing because people are relying on a fictional character to help them through there lives.

How does god make someone push harder. If anything they are relying on god to pull for them rather than fully taking responsibility for the fight.

Religion doesn't help anyone it makes them less intelligent and more suseptable to brainwashing. Religion also kills more people a year than drug violence and probably even smoking.

Are you on crack? You call me names for saying its bullshit for boxers to thank God because "They are just thanking God" then you take a complete 180 and say God is not real. Do you even have an opinion? or are you just that stupid?:tired

[Archie_Moore]

I am calling you a complete peice of shit because it shouldn't matter if a boxers thanks god or not because God is not real. PEOPLE SHOULDN'T THANK GOD BECAUSE HE IS NOT REAL. I do not care if they do.

You seem to be so sure that he doesn't exist, just like the poeple who are so sure he does exist. Therefore you are just as ignorant as them. Ever think of that "smart guy". :good :fuckoff :fy

[Archie_Moore]

LOL you are the one who has a HUGE problem with people thanking god after a fight. By your standards it means that no one can thank god. No one can thank god because there is always something worse going on. I like calling stupid people names because atleast they know that SOMEONE thinks they're a total fuckin moron.

Do you beleive in God?

I'm Agnostic, I don't pretend to know what the fuck happens after you die, and I'm comfortable with that. Because I could care less if there is or isn't a God. And yes I have a problem with anyone thanking "God"
for "good things" when there is so much bad in the world. But unlike yourself, at least I'm consistent. :good :thumbsup

[Archie_Moore]

I am sure he doesn't exist because if there was a god IT would not be human. By referring to god as "he" you are assuming that God is a man. I AM SURE 'HE' DOESN'T EXISTS BECAUSE ITS FUCKING INSANE TO THINK THAT. religion class has done a toll on you buddy

This will sound really stupid after you read that I'm Agnostic... :hi:

Can't fault someone for using a term like "he" or "she" when it is a product of our language. pretty hard to get around that.

[Archie_Moore]

No you can fault someon because it is the biggest mistake evrryone makes when assuming that God is real. how about using the term 'it' or maybe hmmmmm 'god'?

Glad to know everyone is at the mercy of language one way or another except for you whoop. Infact you are so much smarter then everyone why don't you change the world rather then waste your time posting on a message board. :lol:

[C Money]

God and who or what he/she/it is determined in the conciousness of the beholder:good


Most human's invoke "god" or the name of god in many unrealistic ways.
ALL that really matters is the spirtuality of the individual and what it means to them. TO EACH HIS OWN!!! If someone expresses it in terms of boxing?? That's their opinions/feelings and are entitled to it. Considering the viloent nature and unfortunate possibilities that can occur in a fight, it's not suprising that spirituality is involved and it's EXPRESSION occurs.

GOD BLESS US ALL:happy If there isnt one?? Well, what did that really hurt?? The human spirit has always had a strong desire to believe in such things, even though mannerism's, custom's, and "gods' can be different things to different groups.

[Executioner]

PEOPLE SHOULDN'T THANK GOD BECAUSE HE IS NOT REAL

you're a complete idiot, your opinion on God not being real is about as equal to those who are sure he's real.

[Dostoevsky]

I don't really have a problem if boxers want to invoke god into the discussion. Its there personel choice.

But i have to question why god would take sides and choose which fighter he would want to win through 'divine' help.
If he really existed I am sure he would either support both or neither.

[Archie_Moore]

Cus I'm at work talking to stupid fuckin Americans all day.

Oh for the record Whoop a smart guy like yourself should be aware that using the term "God" or "it" doesn't mean it is free of gender. As most languages imply gender via masculine and feminine words for instance. But I probably didn't need to tell such a smart guy like you that....

To imply Amercians are stupid is about the most ignorant thing you could possible say. Cause it implies that you think you are not only better, but above them in some way. Kinda like God? :hi: :blurp :smoke

[maracho]

Well 3/4 of the world believe in a sprit world and God. The other 25 % live unrisky lives and spend spend most of their time on forums.

The Bible is very clear that we should pray for all thing no matter how little Ephesians 6:18

[1punch1nder]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....

You are pretty shallow yourself... cant you understand it? Its not about GOD, its about our very own selves.

[C Money]

I don't really have a problem if boxers want to invoke god into the discussion. Its there personel choice.

But i have to question why god would take sides and choose which fighter he would want to win through 'divine' help.

I agree with your perspective, but if a guy is willing to risk life and limb and wants to thank god or believes god had something to do with?? HAVE AT IT!! Believe what you will and enjoy the ride:good

You, I, and everyone else is free to disagree. I dont think it hurts anything either way.

[maracho]

I don't really have a problem if boxers want to invoke god into the discussion. Its there personel choice.

But i have to question why god would take sides and choose which fighter he would want to win through 'divine' help.
If he really existed I am sure he would either support both or neither.

There are quite a few here who think this sport is unhealthy that God would never be involved but there are riskier sports. You however have a bit different perspective. I think God knows who needs a win and who needs a loss for he blesses, disciplines, takes away, humbles, and works in mysterious ways and especially after one has crossed over

[C Money]

Cus I'm at work talking to stupid fuckin Americans all day.

You post with Americans here too and stupidty is relevant to the individual. It's a shame your perspective is so JADED and your mind is stuck in a racist PRISON. There's good, bad, and UGLY, of every race, creed, nationality, and GENDER.:good

[1punch1nder]

If believing in God makes someone a better person what's the problem with that... who among us here got a problem with that?

[Executioner]

What have you seen God? Have you seen heaven and angels? I havn't. I beleive in things that can be explained by science and I'm not one to snuff spirituality but it is childish to beleive in a man sitting in the sky that controls EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON.

Show me the proof that a God exists.


I personally have no idea if God exists or not, I am quite unsure but I'll say that it's quite lame and childish of YOU to assume that God doesn't exist.

[Decebal]

If believing in God makes someone a better person what's the problem with that... who among us here got a problem with that?


I have no problem with that as long as losing your belief in God doesn't make you a worse person.

[maracho]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....

A lot of people have big problems with acknowledging Christ. I once read a boxing thread were members wanted HBO/SHO networks to band boxers from wearing scripture or religious insignia on their clothes. There are many powerful organizations such as the ACLU that will probably get involved in this as they have been fairly successful in banning any prayer or thanking God during graduation.

[Executioner]

How is that childish? Because I'm opposing the status quo. Real childish.


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[maracho]

These guys put their lives on the line, and need everything they can get. If you look across the ring consistantly at trained killers who are trying to concuss you, you may also get religous quickly.

Good point! Most people in dangerous jobs pray quite a bit I reckon

[1punch1nder]

I have no problem with that as long as losing your belief in God doesn't make you a worse person.

if you fall out of faith and blame your god for everything bad that happened then that is your problem. you are WEAK.

[Shake]

People thank God all the time in sports, and it never makes any sense. Does God hate the other team?

[Archie_Moore]

I am god.

Thats all you have to say?

Well that tells me everything I need to know...;)

[1punch1nder]

What does it mean to be a better person? To NOT question the values that we are mouthfed?
it means that i dont have a problem when the person that will MURDER YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY changes his mind after he picked up a Bible on his way to your house.

edit: and so you diss out the whole idea and trash the belief of other people because you have a QUESTION?

[Decebal]

if you fall out of faith and blame your god for everything bad that happened then that is your problem. you are WEAK.

everyone is weak when they lose faith...especially in their God...:patsch

[maracho]

Most boxers have a low IQ, and "God" is something that they can say when their minds are blank.

It also acts as a nice placebo for some.

Actually a good boxer has to be pretty smart.

Actually IQ test are a poor method for determining the different types of intelligence.

Actually the greatest inventers and geniuses of all time believed in creation by God inluding your favorite scientist Einstien.

[C Money]

No shit buddy it was a generalization. LOL how is my mind stuck in a racist prison?......i never new Americans were a race.

There is no good and evil, and everyone is racist. Sorry pal.

American is a NATIONALITY and the spirit of that nationality blends all race's together. Generalizations and accusations are fucked up game. I'm American and neither STUPID or RACIST.

I never said there was good or evil, I believe that determination is reserved for the individual and they have the natural right to express it if they so choose.

[1punch1nder]

everyone is weak when they lose faith...especially in their God...:patsch

better love and get hurt than never love at all... it makes you a cold person.

[Decebal]

better love and get hurt than never love at all... it makes you a cold person.

better to give than to receive...it makes you richer...what is your point...?

[1punch1nder]

hahahahahaha

I'm sure a psychotic mother fucker is gonna pick up a bunch of jibberish and decide NOT to kill someon because it means he won't go to heaven.

Yeah I trash the idea of Jesus, God and MOST of the bullshit in the bible. Some of it is ok but mainly it has caused more harm than good. Think of the religion wars, the genocides, and the suicide bombings. YEA RELIGION IS GREAT!
yea you trash Christianity...what a brave act, you are a big boy now. But what about Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Pantheism, Judaism, and other beliefs? whats your stand?

[1punch1nder]

better to give than to receive...it makes you richer...what is your point...?

it will.

respect, open-mindedness, FREE THINKING.

[Executioner]

hahahahahaha

I'm sure a psychotic mother fucker is gonna pick up a bunch of jibberish and decide NOT to kill someon because it means he won't go to heaven.

Yeah I trash the idea of Jesus, God and MOST of the bullshit in the bible. Some of it is ok but mainly it has caused more harm than good. Think of the religion wars, the genocides, and the suicide bombings. YEA RELIGION IS GREAT!

get a new hobby, troll. you seem to pay so much attention and put forward almst ALL of your attention on religion.

find something else to do ya fresh air inspector :hi:

[maracho]

It's very shallow to thank God when millions of people die every day in this world. What could be more shallow? As a person you think God cares more about helping you win a boxing match then keeping people alive all over the world. That is the very definition of shallow/selfish :good

It's a one way street, thanking God when you win, but not when you lose. It's bullshit.

Maybe you just dont want to believe that God would take care of our personal goals and needs.

Why would you think that God couldn't do everything including saving those millions and helping his children win a game simultaneously? If its his will then he could.

Millions of people die and suffer because millions of wicked people are are killing them and making them suffer. God does not make robots and we all have the right to choose good or evil.

[DanePugilist]

I think its stupid - however, I do it myself - I think its all related to the fact that everyone wants to have a guardian angel of sorts by their side - that helps you when you are down. Or there is a point, when you lose something, and you can't understand why.

Otherwise I think you would become a cynic.

I don't believe in God as mentionened in the Testament, but I do believe in the spirtual world. And yes - the spirits are not very fond of me.

[1punch1nder]

I never trashed christianity i trash religion. Al those other beliefs is more Bullshit created by other cultures to reinforce the idea of God or 'afterlife'. The idea that if you walk in a striahgt line, pay your bills, dont't kill anyone, then you will go to a better place.

BULLSHIT.

All religion is very similar it is a force created by powerful people to get everyone to OBEY.

you know what your belief in religion/afterlife is wrong... one religion says that everything is just a PLAY, God doesnt give a shit. God is just PLAYING AROUND with us, and we are GOD, we are part of GOD.

so do you really think you are barking on the right tree?

[1punch1nder]

RESPECT, my friend, don't just trash something coz you don't understand.

[Decebal]

I do believe in the spirtual world. And yes - the spirits are not very fond of me.

:lol: question is...are you fond of them?

[C Money]

K your first paragraph is just bullshit. Did you really get that offended when I called Americans stupid? WELL FUCKING GOOD. I talked to a bitch from Florida today who thought their CD-ROM drive was a coffee holder.

You are right. There are a lot of smart Americans but the dumb definitely outweigh the smart and until then.....yer ALL FUCKED.

AND YOU JUST SAID THAT GOOD AND EVIL EXISTS AMOUNG ALL PEOPLE. that means you beleive that there is such thing as evil and good behaviour.

I never said there was good or evil, I believe that determination is reserved for the individual, and they have the natural right to express it if they so choose.

How can someone as "smart" as you, not grasp the meaning of that statement??:lol:

IT DOESNT EQUAL=YOU JUST SAID THAT GOOD AND EVIL EXISTS AMOUNG ALL PEOPLE:nono

FREE YOUR MIND AND THE REST WILL FOLLOW:good

Your post is ranting from work/stress related BS and you arent pissing me off, you're making yourself look bad. There is good, bad, and ugly in every race, creed, nationality, and gender. BTW, i once worked in an INTERNATIONAL CALL CENTER, so I can appreciate the nature of your frustration, and assure you that stupidty isnt just an "american" thing:good

[DanePugilist]

:lol: question is...are you fond of them?I am not very respectful towards them - I tend to do the opposite of what they want me to do.:lol:. I can only hope they use reversed psychology against me.

[badger6]

you're a complete idiot, your opinion on God not being real is about as equal to those who are sure he's real.

I personally have no idea if God exists or not, I am quite unsure but I'll say that it's quite lame and childish of YOU to assume that God doesn't exist.

It doesn't work that way. You have to prove God exists, not prove he doesn't exist.

If believing in God makes someone a better person what's the problem with that... who among us here got a problem with that?

If someone needs God or the bible to be a better person, they are not really a better person. A person shouldn't need an excuse to be a better person.

[Decebal]

I am not very respectful towards them - I tend to do the opposite of what they want me to do.:lol:. I can only hope they use reversed psychology against me.

In that case, I hope they do too...or maybe you should use reverse psychology with them by treating them with respect, just to spite them!

[1punch1nder]

I am not very respectful towards them - I tend to do the opposite of what they want me to do.:lol:. I can only hope they use reversed psychology against me.

until another plane hits your buildings and kill another thousand because Bin Laden thinks you are infidels and doesnt deserve to live?

[DanePugilist]

haha. You are right. I am not shunning the spitiual world because there may indeed by a High power in the universe. However, it is nonsense to believe that when someone dies their body goes to heaven or they are re-born into society in a higher (than previous) class.

People need to begin making revelations for themselves. Start their own theory about life that they can hold to themselves and believe in.I wouldn't go so far as to call it nonsense, at least I, do not know the ultimate truth. Since I do not know, reincarnation or whatever might be the real outcome as much as anything else - i.e becoming grass on a female soccer field.

Therefore, like most others, I believe in, what I chose to believe in - while the ultimate truth could in truth be very cynical.

[1punch1nder]

In that case, I hope they do too...or maybe you should use reverse psychology with them by treating them with respect, just to spite them!

i hope the iraqis would treat your soldiers with respect.

[Decebal]

i hope the iraqis would treat your soldiers with respect.

what the deuce are you on about, mate?

[1punch1nder]

Yes I do. God is playing around with us? - we are GOD? This is an interesting belief but I'm afriad it is not a powerful one....especially in the political field.

Religion is force fed. Even the one you speak of was probably created by an intelligent person. But it becomes religion when you force the beliefs onto other people (physically or subliminally)(through mass media...)

so your problem isn't religion at all! its politics and people using religion as means to attain their goals... like what Spain did to their colonies.

[1punch1nder]

what the deuce are you on about, mate?

tell me.

[Decebal]

Reincarnation: becoming grass on a female soccer field.



:scaredas: how humiliating!!! I'd rather be pissed on and then munched by cows...

[DanePugilist]

until another plane hits your buildings and kill another thousand because Bin Laden thinks you are infidels and doesnt deserve to live?There live only a few hundreds in my flat, but then I hope that I can at least rescue my family. Without them I am nothing.

[Decebal]

There live only a few hundreds in my flat, but then I hope that I can at least rescue my family. Without them I am nothing.

Damn right...losing your family is worse than losing your gods...plenty more gods in the sky...your family is one...

[DanePugilist]

In that case, I hope they do too...or maybe you should use reverse psychology with them by treating them with respect, just to spite them!Yeah you are right - maybe its time to confuse them a bit:lol:

[Decebal]

Yeah you are right - maybe its time to confuse them a bit:lol:

:good They might confuse use less if we confused them a bit ourselves...anyway...time for me to say my prayers and head to bed. G'night!:tired

[DanePugilist]

:scaredas: how humiliating!!! I'd rather be pissed on and then munched by cows...At least we get to fondle them without them knowing it.

[DanePugilist]

:good They might confuse use less if we confused them a bit ourselves...anyway...time for me to say my prayers and head to bed. G'night!:tiredThey are like parents - they want to teach something all the time - and I just wanna do my own thing. In the end I'll know they were right all along.

Goodnight, mate.

[1punch1nder]

Somewhat....Religion IS politics tho.

:rofl

[1punch1nder]

wake up mayyte...feudal age is over.

:smoke

[maracho]

It doesn't work that way. You have to prove God exists, not prove he doesn't exist.


Whats more complex, a mouse or a Mercedes? If you went to the moon and found a Mercedes you would say hmm a man must of made that and placed it here. Even mouse's brain is hugely more complex than any man-made machine yet you accept it as an accident evolved over millions of years from swamp chemicals. The Bible says that man has no excuse for unbelief because the Creation is all around him.



If someone needs God or the bible to be a better person, they are not really a better person. A person shouldn't need an excuse to be a better person.

Wow talk about self-righteous! Good people often look at things beyond themselves and better than themselves as a reason to be better--like their families. On the other hand and opposite of other religions; Christains can only do good after God works through them while in other religions one must first do good to find God.

At least take the time to read what we believe before you judge.

[FallenHero]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....

When a fighter trains for months and months there are times where it is very tough on the body and mind at these times the fighter looks to god to give him/her strength to keep on going. IM NOT RELIGIOUS at ALL i dont even have a religion i have my own beliefs but i do believe in god and i believe if you keep him in your life he can definately help you make it through tough shit you probably couldnt make it through on your own even if it be fighting. And God isnt just one being just because he gives a fighter strength to carry on in a fight doesnt mean hes left the rest of the world on hold. Common Guys stop having such a one dimentional mind why dont you think of the possibilties.

[badger6]

Whats more complex, a mouse or a Mercedes? If you went to the moon and found a Mercedes you would say hmm a man must of made that and placed it here. Even mouse's brain is hugely more complex than any man-made machine yet you accept it as an accident evolved over millions of years from swamp chemicals. The Bible says that man has no excuse for unbelief because the Creation is all around him.

Save all your fairy tale mumbo jumbo for sunday morning and people that want to hear it.


Wow talk about self-righteous! Good people often look at things beyond themselves and better than themselves as a reason to be better--like their families. On the other hand and opposite of other religions; Christains can only do good after God works through them while in other religions one must first do good to find God.

At least take the time to read what we believe before you judge.

What the fuck are you talkin about ??? If you want to believe in the invisible man, thats up to you, I could care less !!! But don't preach your bullshit to me without some concrete physical proof besides your hunch that god exists.

[maracho]

I never trashed christianity i trash religion. Al those other beliefs is more Bullshit created by other cultures to reinforce the idea of God or 'afterlife'. The idea that if you walk in a striahgt line, pay your bills, dont't kill anyone, then you will go to a better place.

BULLSHIT.

All religion is very similar it is a force created by powerful people to get everyone to OBEY.

Here is another person who does not have a clue of what the Bible says. All religions except Christianity teach that good works will get you to heaven but the bible is very clear that this is far from the truth.

[badger6]

Here is another person who does not have a clue of what the Bible says. All religions except Christianity teach that good works will get you to heaven but the bible is very clear that this is far from the truth.

Did the leprachaun riding the unicorn tell you that shit ???

[maracho]

Save all your fairy tale mumbo jumbo for sunday morning and people that want to hear it.




What the fuck are you talkin about ??? If you want to believe in the invisible man, thats up to you, I could care less !!! But don't preach your bullshit to me without some concrete physical proof besides your hunch that god exists.

This is a debate that was not started by me, I was only adressing your own dogmatic preaching and the OP asked us not to go into trying to prove or disprove. However its very simple. I appreciate the mechanical complexity of the earth and the cosmos and most of all the multitude of complex critters. You say its all an accident.

Whos belief takes more faith; mine or yours? I think yours takes much more. I think you have been brainwashed by a highschool professor and the media.

[1punch1nder]

Here is another person who does not have a clue of what the Bible says. All religions except Christianity teach that good works will get you to heaven but the bible is very clear that this is far from the truth.

he seems to be well, happy and a good person... that's all that matters.:happy

[Executioner]

When a fighter trains for months and months there are times where it is very tough on the body and mind at these times the fighter looks to god to give him/her strength to keep on going. IM NOT RELIGIOUS at ALL i dont even have a religion i have my own beliefs but i do believe in god and i believe if you keep him in your life he can definately help you make it through tough shit you probably couldnt make it through on your own even if it be fighting. And God isnt just one being just because he gives a fighter strength to carry on in a fight doesnt mean hes left the rest of the world on hold. Common Guys stop having such a one dimentional mind why dont you think of the possibilties.

a very humble post.

[badger6]

This is a debate that was not started by me, I was only adressing your own dogmatic preaching and the OP asked us not to go into trying to prove or disprove. However its very simple. I appreciate the mechanical complexity of the earth and the cosmos and most of all the multitude of complex critters. You say its all an accident.

Whos belief takes more faith; mine or yours? I think yours takes much more. I think you have been brainwashed by a highschool professor and the media.

I am agnostic sir, so therefore I have no faith in something that is not there. I went to a christian private school for 10 years and my parents dragged me to church for years. So I doubt that a highschool professor brainwashed me with evolution. If you or anyone else can really prove the existance of God, I am all ears. But we all know the truth, no one can prove that. Except god himself, and either he is not up to the task or he is not there. I choose the later of the two !!!!

[maracho]

he seems to be well, happy and a good person... that's all that matters.:happy

Luke 17

26 And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all:
30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he that shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not go down to take them away: and let him that is in the field likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to gain his life shall lose it: but whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 There shall be two women grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
36 There shall be two men in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

[maracho]

I am agnostic sir, so therefore I have no faith in something that is not there. I went to a christian private school for 10 years and my parents dragged me to church for years. So I doubt that a highschool professor brainwashed me with evolution. If you or anyone else can really prove the existance of God, I am all ears. But we all know the truth, no one can prove that. Except god himself, and either he is not up to the task or he is not there. I choose the later of the two !!!!

Not to be sarcastic or anything but try this. Pray that God will give you wisdom and understanding. The Bible says if you ask it will be given. You have nothing to loose.

I have had my doubts and I have studied science like a fein. I have thousands of scientific and evolution belief documents and books mostly cause I am very into the prehistoric world but in the past I had alot more doubt about my faith but the more I study the stronger my faith grows.

I dont think anyone should take a chance on believing in something that could be so importantant without knowing it to the fullest. We all owe it to ourselves, our family and our neighbors to not be lazy but to understand both sides with tremendoes effort.

[maracho]

So you're saying that Christianity is the best religion?

Yes sir to me its the best and most logical. I also believe it is the first religion do to the antiquity of the belief in the coming Messiah.

[maracho]

You make no sense.

Yes I do! Christianity is the only religion that does teach that good works is the main factor that gets one to heaven.

[badger6]

Not to be sarcastic or anything but try this. Pray that God will give you wisdom and understanding. The Bible says if you ask it will be given. You have nothing to loose.

I have had my doubts and I have studied science like a fein. I have thousands of scientific and evolution belief documents and books mostly cause I am very into the prehistoric world but in the past I had alot more doubt about my faith but the more I study the stronger my faith grows.

I dont think anyone should take a chance on believing in something that could be so importantant without knowing it to the fullest. We all owe it to ourselves, our family and our neighbors to not be lazy but to understand both sides with tremendoes effort.

I am not saying 100% that god doesn't exist. After all, how could I be sure ??? The 2 things that I am saying though, is that in my opinion god 99.5% doesn't exist and if he does exist, I want nothing to do with him !!!!

[thunder06]

its because
God is a boxing fan, and ultimately it is He who decides who wins and who dies.

[magnificentdave]

I say people are free to worship whatever god they find most appealing- usually the god their parents taught them to.
As far as the appropriateness of thanking god for victory- I see nothing wrong with it, after all, a fighter is not saying, "Thank you for giving me the victory, and denying the loser." anymore than he would be saying "Thanks dad for getting in the ring and fighting for me." Instead, what he's saying is, thank you for giving me this oppurtunity and being there for me.

On the topic of the Bible, it is just as crazy, pornographic, hypocritical, violent and sickening as most religious texts, so there's no point arguing whether or not it should be taken literally.
And I'll take evolution any day over a fairy tale made up by a group of fanatical Jewish dissenters.

[maracho]

The Bible says the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. most churches today say that this is allegory. What passages of the Bible support it all being just allegory?

there are good Christians that believe the earth is millions or billions of years old but I think the scientific evidence favors a young earth.

For example, there have been at least five dinosaur species found with soft tissue, protiens and genetic material has also been found. no scientist would have ever believed that this was possible but now many are trying deperatly to rationalize it

It wasn't to terribly long ago that evolutionary scientists were promoting the idea that mammalian megafaunas such as Wooley Mammoths lived millions of years before humans until they begain finding arrow points embedded in bones.

I am convinced after working with many professors that they usually would and have hid any evidence contrary to evolutionary dogma--and then rationalize their actions by calling it some sort of strata contamination whos media exposure would only confuse the masses.

[maracho]

I say people are free to worship whatever god they find most appealing- usually the god their parents taught them to.
As far as the appropriateness of thanking god for victory- I see nothing wrong with it, after all, a fighter is not saying, "Thank you for giving me the victory, and denying the loser." anymore than he would be saying "Thanks dad for getting in the ring and fighting for me." Instead, what he's saying is, thank you for giving me this oppurtunity and being there for me.

On the topic of the Bible, it is just as crazy, pornographic, hypocritical, violent and sickening as most religious texts, so there's no point arguing whether or not it should be taken literally.
And I'll take evolution any day over a fairy tale made up by a group of fanatical Jewish dissenters.

You have confused a biblical history of what has happened with what is biblically condoned.

You also fail to see the congruity and supernaturaly accurate prophacy of these many Jewish fanatics.

[SweetScienceFan]

If I lost a fight, and the other guy thanked God helping him win the fight, I would spend the rest of my life talking about how I would have destroyed that man had God not interfered. How would he argue that? In every interview I would talk about how the man even admitted that he only one because God was on his side, and helped him win. I would also send him a contract with a "No interference by God" stipulation.

[C.J.Rock]

I dont think some sort of GOD would help anyone win a fight, so its good to talk about fighters that do in a comedic sense,...Like this is a good topic and a good oneliner for a comedian or something.

But other than that ,the answer is NO I dont have a " huge problem " with this .

One things certain no one could have a better man in their corner Why not thank him.

[badger6]

One things certain no one could have a better man in their corner Why not thank him.

So now god is a man ??? Ha ha ha

[badger6]

How can you work with professors yet be so ignorant and blinded?

heh he, blinded by the light ???

[badger6]

I fuckin guess so. guy is a dumbass.

saying that evoluitionary scientists have hidden evidence that contradicts evolution. geeze the church hasn't been doing the opposite (hiding evidence that supports evolution) for hundreds of years have they? uhhhh YES

Hell, they might as well thank me for the win, cause at least I'm real and can hear it !!!

[El Bombasto]

there are good Christians that believe the earth is millions or billions of years old but I think the scientific evidence favors a young earth.

For example, there have been at least five dinosaur species found with soft tissue, protiens and genetic material has also been found. no scientist would have ever believed that this was possible but now many are trying deperatly to rationalize it

It wasn't to terribly long ago that evolutionary scientists were promoting the idea that mammalian megafaunas such as Wooley Mammoths lived millions of years before humans until they begain finding arrow points embedded in bones.

I am convinced after working with many professors that they usually would and have hid any evidence contrary to evolutionary dogma--and then rationalize their actions by calling it some sort of strata contamination whos media exposure would only confuse the masses.

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educate yourself

and stop hanging around 'professors' who got their doctorates from religious diploma mills

[badger6]

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educate yourself

and stop hanging around 'professors' who got their doctorates from religious diploma mills

ROFLMFAO, diploma mills :rofl

[maracho]

You remind me of fighters that dont show up for the fight until after everybodies gone; then start talkin smack amongst yourselves.

Why dont you fellas try to dig up some proof :rofl for your religion as you insist I do or are you just brainwashed conformist who did everything your teacher said?:patsch .

[maracho]

I fuckin guess so. guy is a dumbass.

saying that evoluitionary scientists have hidden evidence that contradicts evolution. geeze the church hasn't been doing the opposite (hiding evidence that supports evolution) for hundreds of years have they? uhhhh YES

Why dont you go to google search and plug in words like Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Java Man, Moulin Quignon, Yanornis, etc.... wich are all forgeries. Top scientist and students were involved in these types of forgeries writing hundreds of journals and books on the subject. :lol:

Then there is the multitude of lies where fully human Neanderthal and H. erectus are called apes and apes such as Australopithecus, Ramapithecus and Gigantopithecus are refered to as ape-men.

[Tencount85]

Well, I'm a little late in this thread but yes that line is used often in Boxing, especially by some particularly unsavory people. Seems like it just comes with the territory and they just say it because it's routine.

An Example of this: Zab Judah, who is Jewish and has the star of David on his trunks always thanks his lord and savior and Jesus Christ.

[maracho]

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educate yourself

and stop hanging around 'professors' who got their doctorates from religious diploma mills

You want educated? Ok Did you know that the theory of evolution started as slave trade propoganda and then realy grew with the Nazi regime?


The greatest scientist and geniuses have been Christian. [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


The scientist were also devout Christians. For example. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Even Einstein who was not a Christian was wise enough to believe in a creator and made quotes such as these.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

“God always takes the simplest way”.

”God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.”

”God does not play dice.’

”God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean. “

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creationand is but a reflection of human frailty.”

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
-Albert Einstein

Oh and by the way I have a biology degree and making almost straight A's as a graduate biology student at one of the best universities in the country.:bart

[Zhaakal]

Well if Vicious Boxer would pray to god then i daubt he would be such a retard.

[Archie_Moore]

You want educated? Ok


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Even Einstein who was not a Christian was wise enough to believe in a creator and made quotes such as these.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

“God always takes the simplest way”.

”God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.”

”God does not play dice.’

”God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean. “

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creationand is but a reflection of human frailty.”

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
-Albert Einstein

Oh and by the way I have a biology degree and making almost straight A's as a graduate biology student at one of the best universities in the country.:bart

Why don't you quote some of the more fucked up things in the bible?

[maracho]

Well, I'm a little late in this thread but yes that line is used often in Boxing, especially by some particularly unsavory people. Seems like it just comes with the territory and they just say it because it's routine.

An Example of this: Zab Judah, who is Jewish and has the star of David on his trunks always thanks his lord and savior and Jesus Christ.

Well Christians do make a routine of crossing their hearts, kneeling to pray, and publicly thanking God.

There are many hypocrits but Zab is not neccessarily pure hypocrit. We need to compare him before his conversion and Chritians often slip and when they do its often to similar past behaviours. This slipping could be even more pronounced when one is hyped up in a boxing match or similar situation.

Many posters have commented that a boxer or athlete should never pray while so many people are suffering but then one could also say. How dare you watch that boxing match or write on a boxing forum while so many people are suffering. Why cant we do both? :patsch

[maracho]

Why don't you quote some of the more fucked up things in the bible?

Sorry to embarrass you but that was Einstein

[Tencount85]

Well Christians do make a routine of crossing their hearts, kneeling to pray, and publicly thanking God.

There are many hypocrits but Zab is not neccessarily pure hypocrit. We need to compare him before his conversion and Chritians often slip and when they do its often to similar past behaviours. This slipping could be even more pronounced when one is hyped up in a boxing match or similar situation.

Many posters have commented that a boxer or athlete should never pray while so many people are suffering but then one could also say. How dare you watch that boxing match or write on a boxing forum while so many people are suffering. Why cant we do both? :patsch

Zab is a Christian? I always thought he was a Jew. I brought him up not because of his in ring and out of the ring actions (as everyone faults sooner or later) but because the whole "I want to thank God" routine seems almost...trendy.

I see what you say about the latter though

[El Bombasto]

there are good Christians that believe the earth is millions or billions of years old but I think the scientific evidence favors a young earth.

For example, there have been at least five dinosaur species found with soft tissue, protiens and genetic material has also been found. no scientist would have ever believed that this was possible but now many are trying deperatly to rationalize it

It wasn't to terribly long ago that evolutionary scientists were promoting the idea that mammalian megafaunas such as Wooley Mammoths lived millions of years before humans until they begain finding arrow points embedded in bones.

I am convinced after working with many professors that they usually would and have hid any evidence contrary to evolutionary dogma--and then rationalize their actions by calling it some sort of strata contamination whos media exposure would only confuse the masses.

You're right,

MUD AND MAGIC is a much better explanation than Evolution :patsch

[maracho]

Zab is a Christian? I always thought he was a Jew. I brought him up not because of his in ring and out of the ring actions (as everyone faults sooner or later) but because the whole "I want to thank God" routine seems almost...trendy.

I see what you say about the latter though

I dont know I'm just going by the fact that you quoted him thanking Jesus Christ.

[maracho]

Well, I'm a little late in this thread but yes that line is used often in Boxing, especially by some particularly unsavory people. Seems like it just comes with the territory and they just say it because it's routine.

An Example of this: Zab Judah, who is Jewish and has the star of David on his trunks always thanks his lord and savior and Jesus Christ.

see

[maracho]

You're right,

MUD AND MAGIC is a much better explanation than Evolution :patsch

I know your teacher told you evolution was a fact but lets see if you can defend it or explain why you believe it. I say its blind faith

[El Bombasto]

I know your teacher told you evolution was a fact but lets see if you can defend it or explain why you believe it. I say its blind faith

Evolution, change over time, is a fact that is proven and has been observed. Natural Selection is a theory of the origin of man that has been subjected to the appropriate level of scuteny to be elevated from a hypothesis to a theory. "Intelligent Design"/"mud & magic"/"magic man did it" is a Christian pipe dream.

[Archie_Moore]

Sorry to embarrass you but that was Einstein

lol, I know it was Einstein, you said it in VERY BIG letters before stating so, but you also have quoted the Bible in this thread, and you seem to have a hardon for quoting things. So I'm saying that maybe you should quote some of the other stuff in the Bible.. :good

[El Bombasto]

You're right,

MUD AND MAGIC is a much better explanation than Evolution :patsch

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :pwned :pwned :pwned :pwned

[Caper]

Well what happens when they lose ??? Do they blame him for that too ??? It seems that God is a one way street. People always thank him for good things, but never say shit when bad things happen. That makes a lot of sense.

Check out the Emmanuel Burton vs Ebo Elder fight for further insight on this subject.

[maracho]

Evolution, change over time, is a fact that is proven and has been observed. Natural Selection is a theory of the origin of man that has been subjected to the appropriate level of scuteny to be elevated from a hypothesis to a theory. "Intelligent Design"/"mud & magic"/"magic man did it" is a Christian pipe dream.

Whats known about Natural selection or adaptation today is far form the blind accidental selection that Darwin wrote about. It is a fact that God has given all life forms the ability to adapt in order to survive. All critters have DNA sequences that are expressed according to environmental stimuli. For example our bodies are filled with harmones that are released during certain stresses. When those harmones are released eneough times they actually attach to our DNA and influence gene expressions known as phenotypes. Dogs, Darwins, Finches, cichlid fishes, crocodilians, bears, horses, cats, etc...... all have varying traits but can all interbreed and stay basically the same even when they are on different continents that have supposedly been sperated for millions of years.

Evolution via Mutation is pure pseudoscience. No mutuations have ever been shown beneficial even after billions of dollars of fruitfly experimentation though the media tells us that all life forms sprang from multiple mutations. All known changes are minute phentypical adaptation known as phenotypic plasticity.

Darwin himself abandoned his ideas before his death for an extreme form of plasticity but the media does like to talk about that.

Phenotypic plasticity: study study study this glorious gift from God.

[Max Molyneux]

Frank Bruno said In his book why would god play favourites when talking about Holy thanking god and coming Into fights listening to Gospel music.

[maracho]

lol, I know it was Einstein, you said it in VERY BIG letters before stating so, but you also have quoted the Bible in this thread, and you seem to have a hardon for quoting things. So I'm saying that maybe you should quote some of the other stuff in the Bible.. :good

How about these:
"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (II Timothy 4:4).

Romans 1: 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

[El Bombasto]

Whats known about Natural selection or adaptation today is far form the blind accidental selection that Darwin wrote about. It is a fact that God has given all life forms the ability to adapt in order to survive. All critters have DNA sequences that are expressed according to environmental stimuli. For example our bodies are filled with harmones that are released during certain stresses. When those harmones are released eneough times they actually attach to our DNA and influence gene expressions known as phenotypes. Dogs, Darwins, Finches, cichlid fishes, crocodilians, bears, horses, cats, etc...... all have varying traits but can all interbreed and stay basically the same even when they are on different continents that have supposedly been sperated for millions of years.

Evolution via Mutation is pure pseudoscience. No mutuations have ever been shown beneficial even after billions of dollars of fruitfly experimentation though the media tells us that all life forms sprang from multiple mutations. All known changes are minute phentypical adaptation known as phenotypic plasticity.

Darwin himself abandoned his ideas before his death for an extrem form of plasticity but the media dot like to talk about that.

Phenotypic plasticity: study study study this glorious gift from God.

You have just clearly demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of biology and Darwin. And BTW it's hormones

[maracho]

You have just clearly demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of biology and Darwin. And BTW it's hormones

Ok lets hear your explanation.:lol: Conformists usually do fill their minds with grammatical perfection and critique ones spelling when desperate.

[maracho]

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[El Bombasto]

Ok lets here your explanation.:lol:

Well to begin with go here:

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Lady Hope was just another typical dishonest Christian

and try counting your ribs fundie

[Archie_Moore]

How about these:
"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (II Timothy 4:4).

Romans 1: 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

No, I was thinking more along the lines of these

Deuteronomy 20:10-14

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.


Do you need more, cause I'll post more. God really sounds Awesome...:hi:

[buddynabuick]

Ok lets hear your explanation.:lol: Conformists usually do fill their minds with grammatical perfection and critique ones spelling when desperate.

:lol:Yep

[maracho]

Well to begin with go here:

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Lady Hope was just another typical dishonest Christian

and try counting your ribs fundie

What does that have to do with Darwin's conversion from natural selection to Lamarckian evolution which is an extreme form of plasticity to account for the diversity of life?:lol:

Are you trying to avoid my question again?

[El Bombasto]

What does that have to do with Darwin's conversion from natural selection to Lamarckian evolution which is an extreme form of plasticity to account for the diversity of life?:lol:

Are you trying to avoid my question again?

Source?

[El Bombasto]

still waiting

[Archie_Moore]

No, I was thinking more along the lines of these

Deuteronomy 20:10-14

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.


Do you need more, cause I'll post more. God really sounds Awesome...:hi:

:deal

[maracho]

No, I was thinking more along the lines of these

Deuteronomy 20:10-14

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.


Do you need more, cause I'll post more. God really sounds Awesome...:hi:

Well this is harder to explain but I'll try.

God used the isrealites as a tool for punishing and wanted the Holyland to be holy. Archaelogy proves that the caanonites were really excedingly wicked

The second passage maybe the best alternative for a devirginized woman whom no one would want to marry. Thats a hard one

Slavery was a curse from God but slaves were treated very well and not based on race a we know it. Some people had no alternative but to be adopted into a form of slavery so rules were made.

Your last passage deals with prophacy of what will happen to Isreal but not condoning.

I think if we lived back then we would have a much different opinion and understanding of these hardships and punishments

[flem1]

I don't mind fighters thanking God after fights. Let them express their beliefs. It helps them have courage and boosts their confidence.

I think the thread starter should've made a new topic if a fighter thanks satan... Now that is disturbing...

[Archie_Moore]

Well this is harder to explain but I'll try.

God used the isrealites as a tool for punishing and wanted the Holyland to be holy. Archaelogy proves that the caanonites were really excedingly wicked

The second passage maybe the best alternative for a devirginized woman whom no one would want to marry. Thats a hard one

Slavery was a curse from God but slaves were treated very well and not based on race a we know it. Some people had no alternative but to be adopted into a form of slavery so rules were made.

Your last passage deals with prophacy of what will happen to Isreal but not condoning.

I think if we lived back then we would have a much different opinion and understanding of these hardships and punishments

In your Opinion would a supposed "Good" sa and doy these things. Are these the statements of a diety that would be thought of as Holy and responsible for the supreme good?

I don't think so.

[El Bombasto]

You might want to read this first though [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Of course, genetic mutation must ultimately fuel the genetic variation that permits adaptive evolution. However, genetic accommodation need not await mutation. There are two kinds of evidence that the standing genetic variation (38 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) of particular responses is probably usually sufficient to support genetic accommodation without mutation. A large accumulation of data on protein polymorphisms has shown that genetic variation is common in natural populations (39 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])); and virtually every trait subjected to artificial selection shows a response to selection (references in ref. 5 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). A rare class of exceptions occurs under artificial selection for directional (consistently right or left) asymmetry of various traits (ommatidia number, wing folding, eye size, and thoracic bristle number) in Drosophila (40 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])-43 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). Nonetheless, directional (consistent right or left) asymmetry has evolved repeatedly in insects (e.g., see ref. 44 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) on genitalia and other abdominal structures) and in other organisms (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), suggesting that even this category of lack of response to selection can be overcome by variation and selection during longer evolutionary time scales. The phenotypic definition of selection helps to explain some of these cases, in which lack of genetic variation initially may have blocked a response to positive selection, and yet the trait eventually evolves to fixation. Because selection (differential reproductive success) of phenotypes does not require genetic variation, directional selection can persist generation after generation, favoring either the right or left form under environmentally influenced fluctuating asymmetry ("antisymmetry"), a state known to precede the evolution of some examples of directional symmetry (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). Then an evolutionary response to selection would occur as soon as favorable genetic variations arise, e.g., due to mutation. Thus, although standing genetic variation usually must be sufficient to produce a response to selection (38 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), genetic accommodation may in some cases, like that of directional asymmetry, await mutation (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])).

What about it?

[El Bombasto]

Iave a problem with closeminded athiests who get offended when other guys want to praise their gods.

G_O_D is a personal preference

May Spanky bless us all

I'm not closed-minded, in fact, I'm willing to consider any legitimate independently verifiable piece of of evidence a theist would like to present.

[maracho]

Of course, genetic mutation must ultimately fuel the genetic variation that permits adaptive evolution. However, genetic accommodation need not await mutation. There are two kinds of evidence that the standing genetic variation (38 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) of particular responses is probably usually sufficient to support genetic accommodation without mutation. A large accumulation of data on protein polymorphisms has shown that genetic variation is common in natural populations (39 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])); and virtually every trait subjected to artificial selection shows a response to selection (references in ref. 5 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). A rare class of exceptions occurs under artificial selection for directional (consistently right or left) asymmetry of various traits (ommatidia number, wing folding, eye size, and thoracic bristle number) in Drosophila (40 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])-43 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). Nonetheless, directional (consistent right or left) asymmetry has evolved repeatedly in insects (e.g., see ref. 44 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) on genitalia and other abdominal structures) and in other organisms (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), suggesting that even this category of lack of response to selection can be overcome by variation and selection during longer evolutionary time scales. The phenotypic definition of selection helps to explain some of these cases, in which lack of genetic variation initially may have blocked a response to positive selection, and yet the trait eventually evolves to fixation. Because selection (differential reproductive success) of phenotypes does not require genetic variation, directional selection can persist generation after generation, favoring either the right or left form under environmentally influenced fluctuating asymmetry ("antisymmetry"), a state known to precede the evolution of some examples of directional symmetry (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). Then an evolutionary response to selection would occur as soon as favorable genetic variations arise, e.g., due to mutation. Thus, although standing genetic variation usually must be sufficient to produce a response to selection (38 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), genetic accommodation may in some cases, like that of directional asymmetry, await mutation (36 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])).

What about it?

She works for the Smithsonian and also funded by PNAS. if she totally refuted mutational evolution she'd be fired. However her book is fascinating

[maracho]

Source?


[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) The Eclipse of Darwinism: Anti-Darwinian Evolution Theories in the Decades around 1900 by Bowler

J. C. Greene, "Reflections on the Progress of Darwin Studies," J. Hist. Biol., 8. (1975

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[maracho]

In your Opinion would a supposed "Good" sa and doy these things. Are these the statements of a diety that would be thought of as Holy and responsible for the supreme good?

I don't think so.

I think violence has its place. For instance God destoyed the world with a flood to save it because man was excedingly wicked and destroying everything. Palaeontology reveals that fossils are laid down in water and many of those show overkill by humans.

[El Bombasto]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) The Eclipse of Darwinism: Anti-Darwinian Evolution Theories in the Decades around 1900 by Bowler

J. C. Greene, "Reflections on the Progress of Darwin Studies," J. Hist. Biol., 8. (1975

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neither of these link provide any evidence to support your assetion

[El Bombasto]

I think violence has its place. For instance God destoyed the world with a flood to save it because man was excedingly wicked and destroying everything. Palaeontology reveals that fossils are laid down in water and many of those show overkill by humans.

Well, since he is an all powerful (a logical contradiction by the way), benevolent deity, wouldn't it have made more sense just to make people less wicked and spare humanity the carnage?

[Boro chris]

I'd like to thank Ares god of war....but some of those monotheistic deities....man.....mean muthafuckas!!!

[badger6]

Iave a problem with closeminded athiests who get offended when other guys want to praise their gods.

G_O_D is a personal preference

May Spanky bless us all

You are abosolutly correct sir. But the problem is that you are calling athiests closedminded !!! The fact is that I respect that people believe in god, satan, big foot, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, sasquatch, leprachauns, and unicorns. Anyone can waste their time believing in anything that they want to. I simply stated my beliefs and then people start trying to prove creation, god, evolution, and other shit that can't be proven. That seems to be the problem with christians, they can't stand that someone doesn't believe what they believe. They have to act like the so called unbelievers are wrong and they are right. Thats just bullshit. I have already stated that there is a small possibility that god could exist, but due to lack of physcal evidence I choose not to believe. Why is that not OK with christians ??? I'm not telling christians to be an athiest, agnostic, or that they are wrong for their belief system. It seems to me that the most dangerous people and beliefs are the ones that try to make others conform to they way they want them to.

BTW, if god does exist and he wanted us to know that he was really there, don't you think that he would not leave all this doubt and make sure that everyone knew that he was there. Pretty simple logic !!!

[maracho]

You are abosolutly correct sir. But the problem is that you are calling athiests closedminded !!! The fact is that I respect that people believe in god, satan, big foot, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, sasquatch, leprachauns, and unicorns. Anyone can waste their time believing in anything that they want to. I simply stated my beliefs and then people start trying to prove creation, god, evolution, and other shit that can't be proven. That seems to be the problem with christians, they can't stand that someone doesn't believe what they believe. They have to act like the so called unbelievers are wrong and they are right. Thats just bullshit. I have already stated that there is a small possibility that god could exist, but due to lack of physcal evidence I choose not to believe. Why is that not OK with christians ??? I'm not telling christians to be an athiest, agnostic, or that they are wrong for their belief system. It seems to me that the most dangerous people and beliefs are the ones that try to make others conform to they way they want them to.

BTW, if god does exist and he wanted us to know that he was really there, don't you think that he would not leave all this doubt and make sure that everyone knew that he was there. Pretty simple logic !!!

Christianity and belief in God were being attacked first and you know it.

God did come and removed all doubt but many still did not believe. Even if he came every hour and visted every person alive they would not believe. They probably will still not believe when their soul comes face to face with God. Then I guese they slowly drift off to another part of the spirit world until their snatched up by a demon.

[maracho]

Well, since he is an all powerful (a logical contradiction by the way), benevolent deity, wouldn't it have made more sense just to make people less wicked and spare humanity the carnage?

Man was not wicked in the garden but since he was given a free will he was able to choose Saten who had also been given a free will and rebelled.

God did not make robots.

[maracho]

neither of these link provide any evidence to support your assetion

Man I guese you went and ordered the book and journal and read them already?:lol:

Yes they directly show that Darwin adopted Lamarkianism.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) read the review

In reflections on the prgress of Darwin studies you can google search were it says: "Darwin's Lamarckianism is most pronounced"

The last article deals with his belief in panagenesis which he used to explain larmarckianism [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[badger6]

Christianity and belief in God were being attacked first and you know it.

God did come and removed all doubt but many still did not believe. Even if he came every hour and visted every person alive they would not believe. They probably will still not believe when their soul comes face to face with God. Then I guese they slowly drift off to another part of the spirit world until their snatched up by a demon.

So what ?? Christianity and the belief in god are attacked everyday in this world. If god does exist, I'm quite sure that he doesn't need you to protect him from the infadels. Can't you just be happy with what you believe and not worry about what others believe or say about god ??? The fact is that christians try to "CONVERT" people to their way of thinking, bottom line. Its run just like a business trying to take over the world !!!

[maracho]

God wants us to reveal the truth and to be bold in fighting those that supress it.

Well you want to convert us to the dark side and I want to covert you to Christ.

Many do use Christianity for their own gain and the Bible is very clear in warning about those wicked hypocrits

[badger6]

God wants us to reveal the truth and to be bold in fighting those that supress it.

Well you want to convert us to the dark side and I want to covert you to Christ.

Many do use Christianity for their own gain and the Bible is very clear in warning about those wicked hypocrits

I don't want to convert you to anything. You can believe in whatever the fuck you want, I don't give a shit. Why can't Christians just respect other peoples beliefs without shoving theirs down everyones throat ??? If someone asks you to tell them about god, thats one thing. But to try and convert people to your religion unsolicited is just so fucking wrong on so many levels !!!

[El Bombasto]

Man was not wicked in the garden but since he was given a free will he was able to choose Saten who had also been given a free will and rebelled.

God did not make robots.

But he did create Satan

[El Bombasto]

Man I guese you went and ordered the book and journal and read them already?:lol:

Yes they directly show that Darwin adopted Lamarkianism.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) read the review

In reflections on the prgress of Darwin studies you can google search were it says: "Darwin's Lamarckianism is most pronounced"

The last article deals with his belief in panagenesis which he used to explain larmarckianism [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Incorrect, Lamarckianism is an idea that predates and was replaced by Natural Selection. Your links do not provide any evidence that Darwin adopted this view, and whether he did or not is irrelevant and does not change the body of work he started and which now encompasses the overwhelming confluence of evidence which confirms Natural Selection. However, instead of attacking Darwin's character, why don't you explain your alternative theory to evolution and it's evidence?

[Flatlander]

Does anyone else have a huge problem with fighters thanking God after winning a fight?

We don't need to get in a discussion about whether God exists or not, but Do you really think God (if there is one) cares who wins a boxing match?

Just seems pretty shallow to me that you have millions of people dying every day but think God puts a priority on you winning a damn boxing match.

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?

Discuss....

Why would anyone end a post with, Discuss.....?

You have issues. :patsch

[lefty]

I am god.

First intelligent post of this thread. You want the truth look up pandeism.

[flem1]

But he did create Satan

Actually satan used to be 2nd in command in heaven when he was an angel named Lucifer 'til he rebelled against God. He was an angel of God, or an archangel to be precise. God created him as an angel...

[C Money]

Can i thank god for ESB and the free expression within it???


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:good :good :good :good :party :party :party

[Archie_Moore]

Why would anyone end a post with, Discuss.....?

You have issues. :patsch

That's all you have to say and you say I'm the one with Issues...

Yea good call there Flatty...:lol:

What is it we are suppose to do on a forum again?

Oh yea Discuss....:tired :nut

[Kostya Zoo]

Why would anyone end a post with, Discuss.....?

You have issues. :patsch


hahahaha I never understood that.

[maracho]

Incorrect, Lamarckianism is an idea that predates and was replaced by Natural Selection. Your links do not provide any evidence that Darwin adopted this view, and whether he did or not is irrelevant and does not change the body of work he started and which now encompasses the overwhelming confluence of evidence which confirms Natural Selection. However, instead of attacking Darwin's character, why don't you explain your alternative theory to evolution and it's evidence?

I know its irrelevant but you kept harping on it cause it was the only straw you could find.

[Archie_Moore]

Well this is harder to explain but I'll try.

God used the isrealites as a tool for punishing and wanted the Holyland to be holy. Archaelogy proves that the caanonites were really excedingly wicked

The second passage maybe the best alternative for a devirginized woman whom no one would want to marry. Thats a hard one

Slavery was a curse from God but slaves were treated very well and not based on race a we know it. Some people had no alternative but to be adopted into a form of slavery so rules were made.

Your last passage deals with prophacy of what will happen to Isreal but not condoning.

I think if we lived back then we would have a much different opinion and understanding of these hardships and punishments

In your Opinion would a supposed "Good" God say and do these things. Are these the statements of a diety that would be thought of as Holy and responsible for the supreme good?

I don't think so.

[maracho]

Can i thank god for ESB and the free expression within it???


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:good :good :good :good :party :party :party

:lol: You sure can cause I usually get booted off forums or threatened for writing what I wrote here.

[Archie_Moore]

:lol: You sure can cause I usually get booted off forums or threatened for writing what I wrote here.

You going to answer the question Maracho?

[maracho]

In your Opinion would a supposed "Good" God say and do these things. Are these the statements of a diety that would be thought of as Holy and responsible for the supreme good?

I don't think so.

Yes for the third time I think the passages brought up can be considered as good if they are explained in context. There are several passages that you have not mentioned though that I have a hard time with. However, there have been many passages in the past that after I undertood their context better I seen then in a whole new and good way.

[Archie_Moore]

Yes for the second time that you asked I think the passages brought up can be considered as good if they are explained in context. There are several passages that you have not mentioned though that I have a hard time with. However, there have been many passages in the past that after I undertood their context better I seen then in a whole new and good way.

Who explained them to you? Kinda of hard to explain text that is pretty self explanatory.

[maracho]

Who explained them to you? Kinda of hard to explain text that is pretty self explanatory.

The Bible mostly but Archaeology has also revealed that the Canaanites were about as wicked as could be and needed to be punished. Go back a few pages and you will see that I answered the same question three times:-(

I was just thinking about how that second passage could reaaly persuade a man from raping a girl. Imagine having too live with her forever as punishment unless you loved her then it wouldnt be bad. One probably wouldnt think he could get by without being caught either being he would probably have to see her in town every day. See God knows us better than we do

[Archie_Moore]

The Bible mostly but Archaeology has also revealed that the Canaanites were about as wicked as could be and needed to be punished. Go back a few pages and you will see that I answered the same question three times:-(

Archaeology has also showed that most of what is in the Bible is fiction... So why would you be posting something dealing with facts like Archaeology when it hasn't treating the so called "facts" within the Bible. :good

[maracho]

Archaeology has also showed that most of what is in the Bible is fiction... So why would you be posting something dealing with facts like Archaeology when it hasn't treating the so called "facts" within the Bible. :good

Ha ha name as many examples as you'd like and I will show you that you are indeed brainwashed.

[Archie_Moore]

Ha ha name as many examples as you'd like and I will show you that you are indeed brainwashed.

Noahs Arc?

Adam and Eve

Show me any evidence that says this stuff actually happened?

Which by genetics has already been proven that Noahs arc and the 2 of every animal would be impossible as would 2 people starting out the Human Race.

I'm not the one brain washed my friend. :good

[maracho]

Archaeology has also showed that most of what is in the Bible is fiction... So why would you be posting something dealing with facts like Archaeology when it hasn't treating the so called "facts" within the Bible. :good

Every culture in world has a flood legend

Even evolutionary geneticist claim an original Adam and Eve

So tell me if you can hoe genetics has proven it impossible?

[Archie_Moore]

Every culture in world has a flood legend

LEGEND being the key word, which is another word for lie. :good

You can't prove anything about the Bible or it's stories. That's what makes it so convenient for you.

[Archie_Moore]

Every culture in world has a flood legend

Even evolutionary geneticist claim an original Adam and Eve

:lol: That would be impossible. And you know it. Do you know what thousands of years of inbreeding would do?

This should be common knowledge.

[Archie_Moore]

Because ever Human been has deadly genes in there DNA. If you breed with a family member over and over again it causees havok. It's quite simple and wide spread knowledge to anyone who can type in the words "Inbreeding" on a seach engine.

Your parents told you it wasn't okay to fuck your sister right? There is a reason for that. :good

[maracho]

LEGEND being the key word, which is another word for lie. :good

You can't prove anything about the Bible or it's stories. That's what makes it so convenient for you.

So all the cultures are wrong but your little group and what happened to all your archeaology to prove the Bible wrong? :lol:

[Archie_Moore]

So all the cultures are wrong but your little group and what happened to all your archeaology to prove the Bible wrong? :lol:

Cultures make Legend to explain the unexplainable. :good

Simple as that.

But please show me this proof that God exists, and focus on Noahs Arc, Adam and Eve, and how any of that would be possible. :good

[Archie_Moore]

You still doing your research Maracho?

[maracho]

Because ever Human been has deadly genes in there DNA. If you breed with a family member over and over again it causees havok. It's quite simple and wide spread knowledge to anyone who can type in the words "Inbreeding" on a seach engine.

Your parents told you it wasn't okay to fuck your sister right? There is a reason for that. :good

There are top evolutionary scientist I mean pseudoscientists (namely Gould and Eldridge) who propose what is called puncuated equlibrium as the driving evolutionary force. Puncuated equilibrium is postulated as the sudden explosion of species diversity observed within the fossil record and a main explanation for the lack of transitional species. Gould and Eldridge believed that powerful solar radiation every so often hits the earth in such a way that it causes abundant mutations responsible for the variety of life.

Anyway what I am getting at here is that many scientist propose that radiation is at the root cause of mutations. It is a proven fact that the earths magnetic field which is responsible for blocking radiation was much stronger in the past and thus there was much less chance for any of the harmfull radiation to effect Adam and Eve's children.

One down one to go but you still have not told me how genetics disproves Noas Arc.

[Archie_Moore]

There are top evolutionary scientist I mean pseudoscientists (namely Gould and Eldridge) who propose what is called puncuated equlibrium as the driving evolutionary force. Puncuated equilibrium is postulated as the sudden explosion of species diversity observed within the fossil record and a main explanation for the lack of transitional species. It is believed that powerful solar radiation every so often hits the earth in such a way that it causes abundant mutations resposible for the variety of life.

Anyway what I am getting at here is that many scientist propose that radiation is at the root cause of mutations. It is a proven fact that the earths magnetic field which is responsible for blocking radiation was much stronger in the past and thus there was much less chance for any of the harmfull radiation to effect Adam and Eve's children.

One down one to go but you still have not told me how genetics disproves Noas Arc.

Same mutations that go for humans go for animals as well Maracho. :good How big would Noahs Arc have to be anyways? Built by 1 man in how mnay days? Come on now....

The Bible tries to get around Science, but it can't. The Bible is the only thing you have to say that it is true, and your biggest flaw is that your look to how you can prove something you already believe in. Which makes no sense. You look at the Bible first, and then try to gather facts (which there are none).

Doesn't this seem like a very flawed system for trying to uncover the truth?

[maracho]

Same mutations that go for humans go for animals as well Maracho. :good How big would Noahs Arc have to be anyways? Built by 1 man in how mnay days? Come on now....

The Bible tries to get around Science, but it can't. The Bible is the only thing you have to say that it is true, and your biggest flaw is that your look to how you can prove something you already believe in. Which makes no sense. You look at the Bible first, and then try to gather facts (which there are none).

Doesn't this seem like a very flawed system for trying to uncover the truth?

It was your top pseudoscientists that came up with it. I certainly dont believe in Puncuated equilibrium but I do believe that mutations are caused by radiation and that radiation was much less severe in the past.

Naval engineers have already proven that the Ark was big eneough excluding sea creatures. Larger animals such as dinosaurs were taken as youngsters and there was no need to take every bear for instance for it is a fact that all bears are of one kind and can interbreed. In fact some grizzly bears are more related to plar bears than they are to other grizzly bears. Same goes with cats, dogs, cocodilians, horses, etc....
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[maracho]

Well I gotta big day tomorrow so whenever you find some archeo evid. to dissprove the Bible let me know.

[Archie_Moore]

It was your top pseudoscientists that came up with it. I certainly dont believe in Puncuated equilibrium but I do believe that mutations are caused by radiation and that radiation was much less severe in the past.

Naval engineers have already proven that the Ark was big eneough excluding sea creatures. Larger animals such as dinosaurs were taken as youngsters and there was no need to take every bear for instance for it is a fact that all bears are of one kind and can interbreed. In fact some grizzly bears are more related to plar bears than they are to other grizzly bears. Same goes with cats, dogs, cocodilians, horses, etc....
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Humans and dinasaurs did not roam the earth together. :good

PLease don't post links from Obviously bias religious website, as they have no merit. When I talk about facts I'm not going to give you things from a Antigod website as that would be rediculous. :nut

Noahs Arc would not be big enough to house every animal, or strong enough to do so. How much weight would a fwe Elephants alone weigh and take up? And you call scientists "pseudo" because they deal with research and not from a book? That makes a lot fo sense...

You really believe that Noahs Arc was built by 1 man in how many days? And it doesn't strike you as absurb at all?

[Archie_Moore]

Well I gotta big day tomorrow so whenever you find some archeo evid. to dissprove the Bible let me know.

You can't disprove that Bible and that's why it's convenient for you to say whatever you want. But you can't prove it either, and the "real" evidence is obviously not in your favor.. :good

Like me saying "it's a fact that you get Green eggs and Ham when you die" But you'll have to wait and see. Can you totally disprove it? No... then it must be true.. :lol:

[MachineGunMitch]

they dont seem to thank anyone when they loose.......

people should put more faith in themselves rather than God,
its hard work that gets things done in the ring not God,actually
I am not so sure God would approve of any form of fighting,if he
does exsist....

[maracho]

Humans and dinasaurs did not roam the earth together. :good

PLease don't post links from Obviously bias religious website, as they have no merit. When I talk about facts I'm not going to give you things from a Antigod website as that would be rediculous. :nut

Noahs Arc would not be big enough to house every animal, or strong enough to do so. How much weight would a fwe Elephants alone weigh and take up? And you call scientists "pseudo" because they deal with research and not from a book? That makes a lot fo sense...

You really believe that Noahs Arc was built by 1 man in how many days? And it doesn't strike you as absurb at all?

You have not been found humble enough to post any websites:-(

Dragon legends describing the great variety of reptilian beast occur in every ancient culture so yes humans roamed with dinosaurs. Furthermore, How do you explain the fact of soft tissue surviving millions of years?:lol: Did you know that most dinosaur bone is not fossilized.

So you don't think the vast amount of scientific experiments and literature born out of the Nazi regime was pseudoscience. What about all the early early anthropological research and publishing that claimed to prove all Jews and non-Caucasians were sub-human? :patsch

Hmm two young elephants would way about a ton.

Noah probably hired some locals and remember the elephants and dragons obeyed him.:rasta

[maracho]

You can't disprove that Bible and that's why it's convenient for you to say whatever you want. But you can't prove it either, and the "real" evidence is obviously not in your favor.. :good

Like me saying "it's a fact that you get Green eggs and Ham when you die" But you'll have to wait and see. Can you totally disprove it? No... then it must be true.. :lol:

Oh there are plenty of ways that Biblical archaeology could have refuted the Bible over the last hundreds of years via hundreds of scientists, many of which tried to do so yet the Bible has never been refuted scientifically in any way and especially not with archaeology.

You given up on your original assertion already. Common use your imagination again.:D

[maracho]

they dont seem to thank anyone when they loose.......

people should put more faith in themselves rather than God,
its hard work that gets things done in the ring not God,actually
I am not so sure God would approve of any form of fighting,if he
does exsist....

Watch some matches and you will see the loosing opponents thanking God all the time. All cultures thank God in both sport and battle and the Bible approves.

Maybe you want boxing to be illegal?

[BOOKA]

i would like to thank god for having my promoter bribe to of the judges that led to win this fight on a split decision !

seriously, those who are quite religious will thank god for everything in life so its only natural they thank god when they win a boxing fight

[john garfield]

I thinks it was best summed up by Ray Robinson when he was asked by a reporter: "Does it help crossing yourself before the first round?"

"Only if you can fight."

[buddynabuick]

Watch some matches and you will see the loosing opponents thanking God all the time. All cultures thank God in both sport and battle and the Bible approves.

Maybe you want boxing to be illegal?


The Bible states to "to give thanks to God in all things."

[buddynabuick]

i would like to thank god for having my promoter bribe to of the judges that led to win this fight on a split decision !

seriously, those who are quite religious will thank god for everything in life so its only natural they thank god when they win a boxing fight

Well said:yep

[buddynabuick]

I thinks it was best summed up by Ray Robinson when he was asked by a reporter: "Does it help crossing yourself before the first round?"

"Only if you can fight."



:lol:

[Stonehands89]

I thinks it was best summed up by Ray Robinson when he was asked by a reporter: "Does it help crossing yourself before the first round?"

"Only if you can fight."

Great stuff. After Ray reclaimed the title from Fullmer he was adamant that it was prayers that made him victorious.

I for one, do not like when analysts and the intelligensia (usually guys whose bellies are as puffed up as their sense of self-importance) criticize or mock fighters for acknowledging their God before, during, and/or after a bout.

First of all, the vast majority of fighters are from poverty or disadvantaged backgrounds. Whether or not anyone agrees with the premise, Christianity is a religion that lifts the poor up. The attraction between the poor and christianity is historical and sensible.

Forget the faith factor, the christian paradigm brings two things to its followers -hope and meaning. Now consider what the boxer does for a living -boxing is dangerous, frightening, and the stakes are literally life and death. Boxing is humbling. And it takes great faith to step into that ring. Faith in one's self is necessary but for many it is simply not enough because it is truly a theatre of unpredictability. Things happen that are far beyond your control. So a boxer chooses to put his fate into the hands of something greater.

Therefore, at a primal level, his faith and bravery increases.

A boxer stands before force and hostility, naked and alone. He makes the sign of the cross in the name of someone who also stood before force and hostility, naked and alone.

I began to appreciate this for what it was back in November of 1983 when I watched Duran and Hagler staring at each other from opposite corners before the first bell rang. I was thinking to myself, "damn, Duran is in trouble. He's a damn LW and is completely outgunned by Hagler." Then I saw Duran, who looked like the devil, make the sign of the cross just as the bell rang. Duran himself felt the need to put his safety into the hands of something greater.

The courage of all boxers is something that we all respect. Where they find that courage should be respected too.

[KTFO]

And if you are going to thank God when you win, why not get mad at God when you lose?



That's a damn easy question.
...........because you still get a good payday while you lose. :good :rofl

[Archie_Moore]

You have not been found humble enough to post any websites:-(

Dragon legends describing the great variety of reptilian beast occur in every ancient culture so yes humans roamed with dinosaurs. Furthermore, How do you explain the fact of soft tissue surviving millions of years?:lol: Did you know that most dinosaur bone is not fossilized.

So you don't think the vast amount of scientific experiments and literature born out of the Nazi regime was pseudoscience. What about all the early early anthropological research and publishing that claimed to prove all Jews and non-Caucasians were sub-human? :patsch

Hmm two young elephants would way about a ton.

Noah probably hired some locals and remember the elephants and dragons obeyed him.:rasta


Just because cultures have LEGENDS that they pass on from generation to generation doesn't mean they are true. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

In our culture we tell our children about Santa Clause, so does that mean that Santa is real? Or how about the Easter Bunny?

Did Noah put him on the Ark?

Just because a bone isn't fossilized doesn't mean that they can't tell how old it is. Have you heard of Carbon Dating? If not look it up. Fossilization doesn't only occur because something is really old it occurs because of the enviroment that it is in. :good :hi:

It's funny that you should bring up the Nazi's, because they used most of the propaganda to justify killing the Jews from Religious text (Martin Luther). More people have died in the name of God and Religion then anything else in the history of the world combind.

And you are trying to tell me religion is good? The facts say otherwise.

P.S. Don't avoid any of these questions, answer them one by one like I did with yours... please :good

[maracho]

Just because cultures have LEGENDS that they pass on from generation to generation doesn't mean they are true. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

In our culture we tell our children about Santa Clause, so does that mean that Santa is real? Or how about the Easter Bunny?

Did Noah put him on the Ark?

Ah back at ay. I been at a junk yard for two days removing 10 big tires--depressing-- but no problem this will be easy.

I would like to see you try to dismiss oral tradition in front of certain Africans, American Indians, Australian aborigines, etc... Although the stories are often cryptic, accurate history can be deciphered. You definately need to read Red Earth, White lies. [Only registered and activated users can see links] Did you know that the Alaska Department of Conservation uses oral tradition as the basis for animal reintroductions? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) St. Nicholas was real:patsch

The Easter bunny is a pagan ritual adopted by the dark side to distract from Jesus.

Yes bunnies were on the Ark. Speaking of critters such as bunnies that have spread around the world since the Ark landed in the Neareast, explain this riddle for us. Lets pick crocodilians (crocodials, Ghavials, Caiman, Alligators) since they are supposedly much older. How do you explain the ability of all crocodilans to interbreed after millions of years of tectonic seperation?:lol:

[maracho]

Just because a bone isn't fossilized doesn't mean that they can't tell how old it is. Have you heard of Carbon Dating? If not look it up. Fossilization doesn't only occur because something is really old it occurs because of the enviroment that it is in. :good :hi:



Carbon dating on dinosaurs? :lol: [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Actually they should because carbon dating is the only technique that directly dates organic matter. Today scientists date dinosaur bones based on surrounding rocks. However, other forms of radiometric dating is even more unreliable do to contamination, inconsistent decay rates, inconsistent radioactivity levels, decreasing magnetic field, heat or water alterations etc… all of which are bound to occur over millions of years.
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Here is another riddle for you. How can the following be preserved for millions of years?
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[maracho]

It's funny that you should bring up the Nazi's, because they used most of the propaganda to justify killing the Jews from Religious text (Martin Luther). More people have died in the name of God and Religion then anything else in the history of the world combind.

And you are trying to tell me religion is good? The facts say otherwise.

P.S. Don't avoid any of these questions, answer them one by one like I did with yours... please :good

I need to look into this about Luther for I noticed that a few wbsites are misquoting him but the the German population probably did not grasp the Nazi master plan. The Nuremberg trials reveal that the Holocaust was executed in the strictest of government secrecy. [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) these quotes reveal Hitler was not a Christian.

These sites show what really influenced Hitler. [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
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Both Lenin and Stalin praised Darwin for liberating them from encumbering theology. Karl Marx wished to dedicate his book to Darwin. Darwinian philosophy has been foundational for moving abortion from crime to respectability. It is estimated that in this century somewhere between 100 million and 150 million human beings have met with untimely death at the hands of those who appealed to Darwin in some manner to justify their actions. Planned parenthood as well [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

[maracho]

Religion is good your health in many ways including coping and recovering—thus good for boxers [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
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Religion makes for better parents and self-control. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[maracho]

Well said. Thank YOU.

:lol: Why do you two think they use c14 is used on Dinosaurs?

[maracho]

It is good for coping and recovering for a person who can not comprehend (or deal with) the problems they are facing. It is easy to look up in the sky and ask for help or forgiveness but it takes a real human to look at the situation at ALL angles, and accept responsibility for their actions.

Better parents....self-control? Please explain. And stop giving links to bullshit propaganda sites because no one is checking them anyway.

Try and explain something yourself for once. and you idn't answer my earlier question in reference to the bible

[Only registered and activated users can see links] Hows this one?:lol:

[maracho]

Hmmm I am getting strange messages from the administrator. ha ha ha Ban me I don't care!

[pit]

I have no problem with fighters thanking God for a win, if he gave them the ability then give him thanks.


:good Aman !!!!

[DonPrestige]

What people dont seem to realise is that Boxing is an organised sport whereas being in gang isnt. Therefore thanking God that you beat someone in competition is not hypocricy.

Also People who believe in God believe he is omnipotent.

[Fab2333]

"If you believe there is no God you better be right"
I believe there is a God, I know there is one. I believe there is a heaven and a hell. I have no problem with a fighter thanking God for whateva. Who are we to get upset over that. They can be thankin him for n e thing. its prolly not 4 a victory evrytime. I seen many fighters thank God even in a lost. I dont see what the big problem. If they want to thank God then so be it.

[Fab2333]

I have no problem with fighters thanking God for a win, if he gave them the ability then give him thanks.

:thumbsup

[maracho]

Just curious, Is this forum having technical difficulties? I keep getting messages that say "your reply is to small to post" or "you must wait 15 minutes to edit" . Furthermore, my search and edit features and all of whoopthereitis posts have vanished from my view.:huh

[buddynabuick]

Just curious, Is this forum having technical difficulties? I keep getting messages that say "your reply is to small to post" or "you must wait 15 minutes to edit" . Furthermore, my search and edit features and all of whoopthereitis posts have vanished from my view.:huh


Yea, my new post feature is gone