Can Wlad be beat?

[box03]

It seems for the last couple years Wlad has been not just beating the competition but destroying it, aside from when he fought Peter in september of 05 no has even put up a good fight against him. Is it that the division is that weak or is it that Wlads just too strong. Is there anybody that could beat Wlad, if so then who?

[brooklyn1550]

Wladimir can be beat - anybody can, but he is head and shoulders above anybody. I wouldn't favor anybody over him right now. He's been fighting so smart and Manny has really helped him develop.

[Fab2333]

lENNOX LEWIS CAN COME OUT OF RETIREMENT AND BEAT HIM :yep

[brooklyn1550]

Brooklyn I didnt mean to say the same thing you did. We just both were writing at the same time.

Great minds think alike:D

[box03]

Wladimir can be beat - anybody can, but he is head and shoulders above anybody. I wouldn't favor anybody over him right now. He's been fighting so smart and Manny has really helped him develop. The 3 people I give the best chance of beating Wlad are Peter because of his strong chin and power, Chagaev because of his style and his above average abilitys, Mccall because of his determination and his highly rated iron chin.

[jbrunner3]

Wlad is easily the best heavyweight out there. If Peter improves more against Maskaev, he could potentially beat him. Chagaev and Ibragimov are probably skilled enough to win a few rounds, but not beat him.

[cross_trainer]

Impossible. Nobody has ever beaten Wlad.

[mike464]

The great thing about Wlad is that any one can beat him and he can probably beat any one.

[Toopretty]

Peter would beat him in a rematch.....thats about it...anybody else just has a punchers or a heavyweights chance. But that glass jaw can be cracked..oh shit I sound like Zakman.

[RUSKULL]

lENNOX LEWIS CAN COME OUT OF RETIREMENT AND BEAT HIM :yep

Not likely. Even if Today's Lewis made a comeback he'd have a hard time beating Wlad, who is coming into his own. That doesn't mean prime for prime mind you......................

[box03]

Peter wouldnt beat him in a rematch. Peter is still a plodding fighter, and his hadn speed is slow. While he may not be as crude now Wladimir is the far more superior boxer. And considering how much more confident Wlad is now he could probably knock Peter out. He fought tentative in the first fight and still won almost every round. Besides, Peters knockdowns were scored on rabbit punches as opposed to clean and accurate punching. Peter is still very easy to hit, and that combined with Wladimirs boxing and confidence and superior reach and hand speed makes me believe that Wladimir would most likely just win a another lopsided decision or score a late round TKO. If you gave me a choice to pick one Heavywieght to beat Wlad it would be Peter, his style is reckless to say the least and so are his punches. As far as the Rabbit punches go they were perfectly legal seeing that Wlad turned his head the one time and the other he put his head down, what did you want Peter to do stop punching until Wlad put his head back up? Wlad was obviously hurt by Peters punches, even before the Rabbit punches which accounted for 2 of the 3 knockdowns. Wlad is better now and so is Peter, right now in the Heavywieght division this is this the fight I want to see.

[Heavyrighthand]

Not only his skills and power, but his rare dedication to always be in shape and in great fighting condition is also a factor in why he's so dominant.

Some fighters don't have half the self discipline he and Vitali have.

[Lampley]

I agree Wladimir is by far the world's No. 1 HW, but we also have not seen him against a fearsome, aggressive puncher in quite some time.

Brewster was shot, Austin a non-entity, Brock too limited offensively, Byrd a punching bag.

Let's see how he responds to a big hitter determined to come forward.

I like WK, but it seems like people suddenly people are forgetting that he can be hit, hurt and gassed. Manny has been great for him, but Wladimir is more vulnerable than he's appeared to be lately. Just maybe not now, against today's HWs.

[MrMagic]

Not likely. Even if Today's Lewis made a comeback he'd have a hard time beating Wlad, who is coming into his own. That doesn't mean prime for prime mind you......................
I agree.
I had a very heated discussion with my brother regarding Lennox Lewis vs. Wladimir Klitschko and Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko prime for prime.
I said you have to give Wladimir at least a 5-10% chance of beating them, because both Tyson and Lewis have been starched or stopped in their respective primes. But he insisted that the possibility of Wladimir being able to beat them is less then a mere 1% !! :-(
He even tried to make a case that Tyson is greater then Ali and that Tyson could compare his wins with Ali's ... and that it's bullshit that Tyson never rose against adversity.. oh well :fire

Wlad would tear Lennox up right now.

[He Hate Me]

for some reason there is a hate machine against wlad imo especially on this site.

[Scar]

So far I don't see anyone in the division that stands a chance against Wladimir who ALWAYS comes prepared regardless of the opponent.

[cross_trainer]

Umm, you do know that he has been TKOed three times right? Or do you mean in the context of anyone winning a decision against him. Because in that case I agree that the only way to beat Wladimir is to knock him out.

That is impossible. Wlad cannot be beaten.

Perhaps you're confusing him with somebody else?

[swedeone]

A "ready" Sam Peter can beat Wlad. The first time they fought, Peter was way too green and inexperienced. He was not ready for a fighter on Wlad's level. I think 2 more fights and Sam will be ready for the rematch. It is clearly the fight everyone wants to see and is by far the most attractive and potentially exciting HW bout out there. Anyone that can't admit that is fooling nobody.

:bbb

[box03]

A "ready" Sam Peter can beat Wlad. The first time they fought, Peter was way too green and inexperienced. He was not ready for a fighter on Wlad's level. I think 2 more fights and Sam will be ready for the rematch. It is clearly the fight everyone wants to see and is by far the most attractive and potentially exciting HW bout out there. Anyone that can't admit that is fooling nobody.

:bbb Its definitely the fight I most want to see in the Heavywieght division, I feel Peter poses the greatest threat to Wlad right now.

[swedeone]

Its definitely the fight I most want to see in the Heavywieght division, I feel Peter poses the greatest threat to Wlad right now.


I couldn't agree more. :good

If Sam can actually land a true power shot this time, I think Wlad will be in a world of trouble. I think the fact that Wlad hasn't been touched in like 5 fights now will be a HUGE disadvantage to him. I think when Sam rings his bell good, he;ll drop his hands and have one of his "deer in the headlights panic attacks" and that'll be the end of him.

My prediction is... Peter by TKO in round 8. :yep

[box03]

I couldn't agree more. :good

If Sam can actually land a true power shot this time, I think Wlad will be in a world of trouble. I think the fact that Wlad hasn't been touched in like 5 fights now will be a HUGE disadvantage to him. I think when Sam rings his bell good, he;ll drop his hands and have one of his "deer in the headlights panic attacks" and that'll be the end of him.

My prediction is... Peter by TKO in round 8. :yep While I agree Peter will knock him out I feel it will happen a little earlier, I think the 6 round sounds about right. Now that Peter has learned not to smother his punches and to take a step back then throw, will serve him well if he meets Wlad again.

[brooklyn1550]

The person I feel has the greatest chance to beat Wladimir is Samuel Peter...simply because of his chin, determination, physical strength, and punching power. However, he will need to devise a better plan to get inside of Wladimir's jab and work to the body. Plus, he needs to come in at 240.

[KO Boxing]

I wouldn't bet on it, cause he's clearly the best heavy in the world right now with no real strong contendors...

But can he? A guy with Wladimir's chin who already holds losses to such fighters as Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? While the Purity mistake will never happen again, Wlad can surely be knocked out... Especially in the heavyweight division.

Don't count on it though. I agree that Peter has the best chance of getting to him.

[Stinky gloves]

No way he never lost and never will :lol:

[lenzo]

Wlad does have a glass jaw and starts slow.
Anyone can go out banging and throwing bombs early and catch Wlad just like
Sanders did. I think most are intimidated.
Please don't let Holyfield make it that far! lol

[barneyrub]

It seems for the last couple years Wlad has been not just beating the competition but destroying it, aside from when he fought Peter in september of 05 no has even put up a good fight against him. Is it that the division is that weak or is it that Wlads just too strong. Is there anybody that could beat Wlad, if so then who?Look at the opponents though, Byrd, well he beat him before anyway before ge4ttn ko`d, Brock was a nobody, Austin was hapless hopeless and probably homeless, Brewster had one eye and came into the ring with the eye burned into his psyche and hdnt sparred for fear of damaging it.
None of those guys hit wlad, partially due to being hopeless! Anyone that actually tries to land can beat wlad.

[barneyrub]

I agree.
I had a very heated discussion with my brother regarding Lennox Lewis vs. Wladimir Klitschko and Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko prime for prime.
I said you have to give Wladimir at least a 5-10% chance of beating them, because both Tyson and Lewis have been starched or stopped in their respective primes. But he insisted that the possibility of Wladimir being able to beat them is less then a mere 1% !! :-(
He even tried to make a case that Tyson is greater then Ali and that Tyson could compare his wins with Ali's ... and that it's bullshit that Tyson never rose against adversity.. oh well :fire

Wlad would tear Lennox up right now.
Wlad would tear Ali up right now too! Ali is past it too.

[madpup]

Sam Peter's hype train is out of control, I just can not see what is so amazing about this fighter. He has minute puncher's chance (plodding, crude punchers chance at that) against Wlad. Last time he fought, Wlad was just about at his all-time low.

As for whether Wlad can be beaten, at this point in time it is hard to see a fighter that can do it. I think Wlad has come into his prime and there isnt an elite fighter out there today who can challenge him. Does not mean that this kind of heavyweight will not emerge, there are too many glaring weaknesses in Wlad's game for it not to get exposed again at some point.

[jordan230420]

Wlad would tear Ali up right now too! Ali is past it too.
hell no, ali is just getting into his prime, vlad couldnt touch him, w/ that parkinsons he never stops moving, so hed be pretty tough to hit

[hmi]

Wlad could be beaten though that boxer is still 20yrs old now. Wait for a few more years and he will emerge.

[DamonD]

Of course he can. No-one's invincible, all it would take is the right punches, just like everyone else.

[Darthmage]

Wlad is a totally different monster now... I don't see peter KOing him and he is sure as hell not going to UD him.

[lefthook31]

Wlad still shows his weakness to pressure, and it was quite evident in the Peter fight. WHen he fights a guy that can actually put a lot of pressure on him and punch a little he will be exposed once again for that weakness.
He will never possess the mean streak or fighting ability that Lennox Lewis was able to achieve under Emanuel Steward. As long as guys continue to try and box with him on the outside, or conform to just being impaled on his excellent jab, he will be very difficult to beat.
It's going to take a fighter that goes for broke and tries to make him fight that will prevail, and right now there isnt too many guys like that. Too bad Evander is so old, because he has what it takes to make that type of fight.

[lefthook31]

Sam Peter's hype train is out of control, I just can not see what is so amazing about this fighter. He has minute puncher's chance (plodding, crude punchers chance at that) against Wlad. Last time he fought, Wlad was just about at his all-time low.

As for whether Wlad can be beaten, at this point in time it is hard to see a fighter that can do it. I think Wlad has come into his prime and there isnt an elite fighter out there today who can challenge him. Does not mean that this kind of heavyweight will not emerge, there are too many glaring weaknesses in Wlad's game for it not to get exposed again at some point.

Peter is just not very polished. He has a lot of ability, tremendous power, and real fast hands for a big guy, hes just not being taught the importance of boxing behind his power, and thats why he hasnt reached his potential. From what Ive heard from some trainers who have worked with him, hes lazy and doesnt listen very well in the gym.

[madpup]

Wlad still shows his weakness to pressure, and it was quite evident in the Peter fight. WHen he fights a guy that can actually put a lot of pressure on him and punch a little he will be exposed once again for that weakness.
He will never possess the mean streak or fighting ability that Lennox Lewis was able to achieve under Emanuel Steward. As long as guys continue to try and box with him on the outside, or conform to just being impaled on his excellent jab, he will be very difficult to beat.
It's going to take a fighter that goes for broke and tries to make him fight that will prevail, and right now there isnt too many guys like that. Too bad Evander is so old, because he has what it takes to make that type of fight.

Spot on, I totally agree. The guy to beat him would also have to have a very good chin.

[Dorfmeister]

It seems for the last couple years Wlad has been not just beating the competition but destroying it, aside from when he fought Peter in september of 05 no has even put up a good fight against him. Is it that the division is that weak or is it that Wlads just too strong. Is there anybody that could beat Wlad, if so then who?

In the last coupla years, Wlad has been destroying opponents such as DaVarryl Williamson ( W Techn split Dec in 5 rounds ( despite knockdown & cut by), 10-02-04, LV, NV), Eliseo Castillo ( TKO 4 rds 4-23-05, Dortmund, Germany), Samuel Peter ( W UD 12 ( despite knockdown 3 times by) 9-24-05, AC, NJ ), Chris Byrd ( TKO 7 rds 4-22-06, Mannheim, Germany), Calvin Brock ( TKO 7 rds, 11-11-06, NYC, NY), Ray Austin ( TKO 2 rds, 3-10-07, Mannheim, Germany), Lamon Brester ( TKO 6 rds, 07-07-07, Cologne, Germany)... Is there anybody Wladimir Klitschko is assigned to fight? Yes, the winner of the IBF tournament with Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd, Alexander Povetkin (13-0, 10 KOs), Eddie Chambers (27-0, 15 KOs)... Answer to the main question, is there anybody that could beat Wlad? Possibly, but Wlad is not going to face anyone other that the IBF tourney winner. But the title of this thread underlines what I have been saying too many times by now, you cannot elect a fighter based on assumptions such as "he seems unbeatable" - he still gat to deliever!

[BewareofDawg]

lENNOX LEWIS CAN COME OUT OF RETIREMENT AND BEAT HIM :yep
At this point, Lewis would be destroyed. I can't believe I just said that, but it's true.

If the current versions of both fought, Wlad would win 8 out of 10 times :deal

[djrock247]

I was at Wlad v. Peter 1 and I was pulling for Peter but I knew he was clearly outmatched. I think that fight was a couple of years ahead of schedule for Peter. If it happened today, I don't know what to think. On one hand, Wlad has a lot more confidence than the first time around and will probably be more inclined to open up and throw the left hook. On the other hand, with Peter's apparent granite chin it may not be such a good idea to open up and throw the left hook. I honestly believe that if this fight happened today, SOMEBODY would get KO'ed.

[T.S.]

I remember when Pittsburgh Steeler QB Terry Bradshaw was asked if the Los Angeles Rams could beat his highly favored team in the Super Bowl.
He said "Sure they can. I wouldn't bet on it though"

I feel same way about Wlad. Sure he can be beat. But I wouldn't bet on it for the next couple of years.

[jopez707]

I think Peter could in a rematch, but I would like Peter to develop his skills more before he fights Klitschko again. A Klischko-Chagaev match would be interesting, other than that I am not sure.

[kaygb]

I agree Wladimir is by far the world's No. 1 HW, but we also have not seen him against a fearsome, aggressive puncher in quite some time.

Brewster was shot, Austin a non-entity, Brock too limited offensively, Byrd a punching bag.

Let's see how he responds to a big hitter determined to come forward.

I like WK, but it seems like people suddenly people are forgetting that he can be hit, hurt and gassed. Manny has been great for him, but Wladimir is more vulnerable than he's appeared to be lately. Just maybe not now, against today's HWs.

Excellent post Lampley. :good

[grouch]

Peter's style has changed during the 2 fights with Toney - Peter learnt how to box. This style is more suitable for Wlad and in the rematch Peter will be ko'd, as what happened with any other boxer (not puncher) Wlad fought.

In fact, if Peter has any chance against Wlad he should return to his old style - plodding and swinging for the fences. Look what happened to Brewster when he decided to go cute on Wlad.

[box03]

Peter's style has changed during the 2 fights with Toney - Peter learnt how to box. This style is more suitable for Wlad and in the rematch Peter will be ko'd, as what happened with any other boxer (not puncher) Wlad fought.

In fact, if Peter has any chance against Wlad he should return to his old style - plodding and swinging for the fences. Look what happened to Brewster when he decided to go cute on Wlad. Very true, you try and box Wlad you will lose and will probably get knocked out. I do feel once he does get Wlad hurt he should throw more straight punches, and not smother his punches as much.

[11player]

The way I see it, if Wlad is in shape he is very tough to beat, but he has his flaws, which are well known by now.

Peter and Povetkin are the ones with the best chances of beating him, IMO, but there are some other guys that will give him a run for his money and might beat him on a lucky day. Fighters like Valuev, Chagaev, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Thompson.

[SevenSamurai]

Only Povetkin could beat him out of the current top 100, unless he gets injured and fights with an injury.

[kk17]

Wladimir can be beat but not by Peter. Peter is to slow and his power is overrated. Peter needs a lucky punch.
To beat Waldimir a fighter must be a good technical boxer, fast and powerfull
and the fighter needs a good chin
my favorits to do it are Corrie Sanders(but he has a long way back to gets a titelfight)
Sultan Ibragimov
David Tua (no joke) the Tua of 1997-2000 would beat Wlad and Peter right now
Chagaev (but his promoter won't let this happen)
Lyakhovich (he has the skills and the chin but not the punch)
McCall (he would beat Peter ) maybe he is too slow for wlad but he has the chin and the power.
I'm not sure about Povetkin he needs a real test against a puncher (Tua, McCall, Briggs ) and not Chris byrd before he is fighting Wlad.

[Astola]

The only two HW's with a real chance are Peter and Povetkin.

Sam Peter impressed me very much in his last bout while I generally believe Povetkin too rule the HW division in the future. Povetkin has the perfect style too beat Wlad - and I beleive he will do when he gets a shot at him.

Sam Peter might win - Povetkin will propably win.

[Loufatski]

It seems for the last couple years Wlad has been not just beating the competition but destroying it, aside from when he fought Peter in september of 05 no has even put up a good fight against him. Is it that the division is that weak or is it that Wlads just too strong. Is there anybody that could beat Wlad, if so then who?

I think Golota might be able to.

[Sakura]

I think Golota might be able to.


Golota get KO'ed very quickly

[box03]

I think Golota might be able to. I doubt it seeing that Golota dont do well against big punchers, look what guys like Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster did to him. His mental state has always been his biggest downfall thoughout his career.

[Loufatski]

A "ready" Sam Peter can beat Wlad. The first time they fought, Peter was way too green and inexperienced. He was not ready for a fighter on Wlad's level. I think 2 more fights and Sam will be ready for the rematch. It is clearly the fight everyone wants to see and is by far the most attractive and potentially exciting HW bout out there. Anyone that can't admit that is fooling nobody.

:bbb

Peter wasn't the only one to learn from that fight. A "ready" Wlad should take a "ready" Peter.

[grouch]

The way I see it, if Wlad is in shape he is very tough to beat, but he has his flaws, which are well known by now.

Peter and Povetkin are the ones with the best chances of beating him, IMO, but there are some other guys that will give him a run for his money and might beat him on a lucky day. Fighters like Valuev, Chagaev, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Thompson.

I don't think these two will have any chance. If Peter goes back to plodding and swinging legacy he might, but not the current boxer Peter. Povetkin is a technician, a custom made style for Wlad.

Someone crude, iron-chinned, pressure type fighter and not necessarily skilled will do the job.

[Loufatski]

Wlad still shows his weakness to pressure, and it was quite evident in the Peter fight. WHen he fights a guy that can actually put a lot of pressure on him and punch a little he will be exposed once again for that weakness.
He will never possess the mean streak or fighting ability that Lennox Lewis was able to achieve under Emanuel Steward. As long as guys continue to try and box with him on the outside, or conform to just being impaled on his excellent jab, he will be very difficult to beat.
It's going to take a fighter that goes for broke and tries to make him fight that will prevail, and right now there isnt too many guys like that. Too bad Evander is so old, because he has what it takes to make that type of fight.

Pressure, pressure, pressure, that's what I've been saying all along, and that's why I say a guy like Golota has a chance. Evander too, but Golota can physically apply more pressure.

[Loufatski]

I think Peter could in a rematch, but I would like Peter to develop his skills more before he fights Klitschko again. A Klischko-Chagaev match would be interesting, other than that I am not sure.

Chagaev probably could, but I honestly haven't seen enough of this guy.

[grouch]

Wladimir can be beat but not by Peter. Peter is to slow and his power is overrated. Peter needs a lucky punch.
To beat Waldimir a fighter must be a good technical boxer, fast and powerfull
and the fighter needs a good chin
my favorits to do it are Corrie Sanders(but he has a long way back to gets a titelfight)
Sultan Ibragimov
David Tua (no joke) the Tua of 1997-2000 would beat Wlad and Peter right now
Chagaev (but his promoter won't let this happen)
Lyakhovich (he has the skills and the chin but not the punch)
McCall (he would beat Peter ) maybe he is too slow for wlad but he has the chin and the power.
I'm not sure about Povetkin he needs a real test against a puncher (Tua, McCall, Briggs ) and not Chris byrd before he is fighting Wlad.

I do agree on Tua with you. maybe McCall. Neither Chagaev or Lyakhovitch could do much damage to Wlad.

[Loufatski]

The way I see it, if Wlad is in shape he is very tough to beat, but he has his flaws, which are well known by now.

Peter and Povetkin are the ones with the best chances of beating him, IMO, but there are some other guys that will give him a run for his money and might beat him on a lucky day. Fighters like Valuev, Chagaev, Virchis, Dimitrenko, Thompson.

Wlad's always in shape. The way to beat him is to outjab him (fight fire with fire), and/or take away his outside game (be means of high pressure).

[grouch]

Wlad's always in shape. The way to beat him is to outjab him (fight fire with fire), and/or take away his outside game (be means of high pressure).

And do you know any current heavy who could out-jab Wlad? Maybe his brother, that's it.

Agree with you on the pressure. Just give me a motivated fighter, ala Brewster when he just lost his trainer, and it could be a death spell for Wlad.

Btw, Wlad was getting very frustrated against Brock. Who knows what would happen if KO didn't come. Maybe the awkward Brock-like style could do the job too?