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Addie
10-21-2009, 12:11 AM
Looking at the pre-fight footage of his fight with Razor Ruddock, I seem to think that Dokes was an extremely talented fighter before his drug addiction plagued his career. He had very fast hands for a Heavyweight, you can see that when he's working against Holyfield, the early days, and especially on the Heavy bag.

Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?
The Kurgan
10-21-2009, 12:28 AM
It's probably an extreme view, but I think with the right trainer, the right trainer and the right management, he could have been the next Joe Louis. All the tools were there: amazing handspeed, excellent fundamental skills, combinations, punching power (early in his career) and excellent ring generalship. As you say, his essential problem was commitment, which aggravated his other more natural problems ie. poor stamina.

If you think this is overstated Dokes's ability, watch the end of the Gardner fight. That's a series of punches worthy of the Brown Bomber, which is saying a lot.
dabox
10-21-2009, 01:25 AM
i just watched the fight with gardner and wow he was good,
damn so much potenial
and he such nice movies in the ring

sad, how it turned out
My2Sense
10-21-2009, 01:32 AM
Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?

His main assets were great handspeed, good technical skills, and an iron chin. He never really was convincing as a champion, though. He won his title on one of the most controversial stoppages ever against Mike Weaver. See for yourself and decide:
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They had a rematch, and this time Weaver survived Dokes' early onslaught and battled him to a draw, but that allowed Dokes to retain his title. After that, he defended his title against Coetzee and was heavily favored to win, but Coetzee overpowerd him and brutally KO'd him late. The outcome was The Ring's Upset of the Year. Here's that fight:
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Personally, I'd say he was a good, solid fighter, but the Coetzee loss exposed some of his limitations.
zadfrak
10-21-2009, 05:25 AM
When he got off his toes, he become a far less effective fighter.
Legend X
10-21-2009, 08:30 AM
I think he was pretty messed up with cocaine addiction by the time he faced Coetzee. Looks like a guy who hasn't slept well for days in that fight.
He got clean around '87 and made a decent comeback, was looking very sharp against secon-raters but then lost that war with Holyfield, and he ended up back on the drugs and alcohol sometime as the 90s rolled in.
bladerunner
10-21-2009, 08:34 AM
His fight with Holyfield is one of the best heavyweight fights ive ever seen.
Stevie G
10-21-2009, 09:36 AM
Along with Greg page and Tim Witherspoon,he was one of those fighters that could have been placed alongside Tyson and Holmes as the heavyweights of the 80's. If those three had lived up to their potential.
turpinr
10-21-2009, 10:03 AM
tim witherspoons hardest opponent was don fuckin' king
sweetsci
10-21-2009, 01:36 PM
Yeah, Turpinr, Don F. King... He killed the goose - boxing - that laid the golden eggs. Look at what he had, especially in the 80's, with his heavyweight stable, his influence over sanctioning bodies, his power, his money & resources... King had so much influence. If he had run things right boxing would be huge today and guys like Dokes would be set for life. It's amazing how someone so successful - Don King - is also such a failure.
he grant
10-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Drugs, conditioning and just not a big puncher ... Witherspoon had more ability and potential ...
TheGreatA
10-21-2009, 07:31 PM
He was talented although I'd have to say that having watched his fight against Jimmy Young recently, I don't think he was that talented. Young, even a very out of shape Young as he was in this particular fight, could make anyone appear bad but he looked really bad. Dokes was in peak shape too while Young obviously was not.
dabox
10-22-2009, 02:23 AM
no he was that talented....

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Addie
10-22-2009, 02:27 AM
no he was that talented....

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The fighter in that footage right there would easily be one of the best Heavyweights in the world right now. His handspeed was just unreal.
JohnThomas1
10-22-2009, 04:44 AM
Drugs, conditioning and just not a big puncher ... Witherspoon had more ability and potential ...

After he matured, planted his feet more and filled out Dokes IMO was a very underrated puncher.
TheGreatA
10-22-2009, 04:50 AM
no he was that talented....

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Then again he was fighting John L. Gardner. Nothing to take away from Gardner who was a decent fighter but Noel Quarless looked like a world beater against him.

I do agree that Dokes was a lost talent but then again he was hardly the only one in the early 1980's.

Randall "Tex" Cobb took a peak shape Dokes to a split decision the fight before he fought Gardner. If you are supposed to be a future great champion, that should not happen.
Titan1
11-02-2009, 01:29 PM
Looking at the pre-fight footage of his fight with Razor Ruddock, I seem to think that Dokes was an extremely talented fighter before his drug addiction plagued his career. He had very fast hands for a Heavyweight, you can see that when he's working against Holyfield, the early days, and especially on the Heavy bag.

Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?

He got into the drug game, and didn't develop his punching power.Instead of defending his NABF title a couple of times, he got that title shot against Weaver(not his fault), and it went downhill from there.
ThinBlack
12-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Dokes had that serious Don King protection, anything went wrong, Don just swept it up under the rug.