Andy Lee

[Cornerman]

Hi Folks.

Just wondering what opinions are out there on Andy Lee and how far you think he can go. Personally I think his potential is massive and believe he is going to be a world champ once he irons out a few things.

He has excellent strengths such as good jab, good power in either hand and sweet right hook.

I know he has weaknesses like he can't tie up when he's hurt and struggles to cut off the ring sometimes but these can be learnt.

Now to the Vera loss. It was clearly evident that Lee was able to continue in that fight. He wasn't even knocked down for christs sake. I think he proved that he can take hard punches because he was hit flush on numerous occasions in that round and didn't hit the deck once nor tie up. He actually hit back even though he was hurt which for me shows heart. Had this fight continued as it should have I have no doubt that Andy would have cleared his head and won a clear decision.

I think he is a forgotten man at the moment with Macklin grabbing the headlines (and rightfully so with achievements of late) but for me Andy lee will do a lot more in this division. A certain world champ.

Thoughts?

[Lee Mc]

Just like Duddy and Dunne he is another hype job from Ireland...

He will possibly fight for the Euro title but can't see Macklin lose to him to be honest. He has the possibility of a mega showdown with Duddy at 160 that will generate a lot of interest and money and, if I were him, I'd take it.

[Cornerman]

Just like Duddy and Dunne he is another hype job from Ireland...

He will possibly fight for the Euro title but can't see Macklin lose to him to be honest. He has the possibility of a mega showdown with Duddy at 160 that will generate a lot of interest and money and, if I were him, I'd take it.

I actually see Lee beating Macklin.

[LHL]

Hard to judge Lee, recently I think he is finding it hard to motivate himself against recent fighters. As you say when watching him you know he has very good talent but you can also see big flaws especially his defence. In his fight against the Latvian he got hit way too many times for my liking. I missed the Schuler fight so can't really comment on how he is looking recently.

His next opponent seems to be paving the way for a fight with Macklin. Should be a good fight to gauge his power after all Affif went 10 rounds with N'Jikam and i don't think he has been down either.

[AffectedToaster]

lee has talent but he hasn't looked good since the lost to Vera, i hope he can get his act together

[pathmanc1986]

Just like Duddy and Dunne he is another hype job from Ireland...

He will possibly fight for the Euro title but can't see Macklin lose to him to be honest. He has the possibility of a mega showdown with Duddy at 160 that will generate a lot of interest and money and, if I were him, I'd take it.




balls mate, everyone in ireland is in no way deluded about duddys ability, the thing is he got famous in the states before he was even known over here, and he is popular because of his style which is tv friendly. i dont think many are under the illusion that hes a world beater but it doesnt mean we cant get behind him


dunne is a world class boxer, whom had lost only 2 fights to similar styled fighters. its not unusual to believe that styles make fights and dunne doesnt match up well agaisnt that style, but hes beaten some very good fighters and his bout with cordoba was something to behold. all due respect id take the opinion of roach and vasquez on bernards abilities over your own.


lee is a superb box puncher and would manny steward invest so much of his time and money into a no hope hype job? i dont think so



and your infering that the majority of fighters from ireland are hype jobs coming from a uk perspective? ahem hatton, khan, maccarenelli, rees, alex arthur,nicky cook, harrison etc???

[Cornerman]

Hard to judge Lee, recently I think he is finding it hard to motivate himself against recent fighters. As you say when watching him you know he has very good talent but you can also see big flaws especially his defence. In his fight against the Latvian he got hit way too many times for my liking. I missed the Schuler fight so can't really comment on how he is looking recently.

His next opponent seems to be paving the way for a fight with Macklin. Should be a good fight to gauge his power after all Affif went 10 rounds with N'Jikam and i don't think he has been down either.

Very good points. I think his defence is keeping people on the end of his jab all night long. I think his confidence took a knock against Vera, even though I think he would have won easy had the ref not prematurely stopped it. He should not have been protected after this fight. I think his next fight as you said will motivate him and we will see the best of him. Affif has been in with some good opossition (n'jikam the stand out) and is on an excellent run since that loss. Great to see steward giving him some step up. I hope this would be a move for a fight with Macklin but personally I think Macklin is looking more towards a world title shot.

[Lee Mc]

balls mate, everyone in ireland is in no way deluded about duddys ability, the thing is he got famous in the states before he was even known over here, and he is popular because of his style which is tv friendly. i dont think many are under the illusion that hes a world beater but it doesnt mean we cant get behind him


dunne is a world class boxer, whom had lost only 2 fights to similar styled fighters. its not unusual to believe that styles make fights and dunne doesnt match up well agaisnt that style, but hes beaten some very good fighters and his bout with cordoba was something to behold. all due respect id take the opinion of roach and vasquez on bernards abilities over your own.


lee is a superb box puncher and would manny steward invest so much of his time and money into a no hope hype job? i dont think so



and your infering that the majority of fighters from ireland are hype jobs coming from a uk perspective? ahem hatton, khan, maccarenelli, rees, alex arthur,nicky cook, harrison etc???

Half my family are in Dublin so I spend a lot of time over there...

Duddy was being bigged up as a possible future World Champion and almost everyone I spoke to thought he would have beaten Kelly Pavlik.
Dunne is far from being World class and is probably the biggest hype job in Europe over the last few years in my opinion. The fight against Cordorba was good but I cant forget that most people I spoke to in Ireland thought he, Dunne, was at least 5 rounds ahead at the time of the stoppage :patsch And he WASN'T a World Champion.

As for Lee, I have no doubts that he will be finally exposed for what he is...hype.

British fans and commentators are prone to exgaggerate the ability of some of their fighters but compared to those idiots you have commentating on RTE, surely the worst I have ever heard, I wouldn't call the kettle black.

[pathmanc1986]

Half my family are in Dublin so I spend a lot of time over there...

Duddy was being bigged up as a possible future World Champion and almost everyone I spoke to thought he would have beaten Kelly Pavlik.
Dunne is far from being World class and is probably the biggest hype job in Europe over the last few years in my opinion. The fight against Cordorba was good but I cant forget that most people I spoke to in Ireland thought he, Dunne, was at least 5 rounds ahead at the time of the stoppage :patsch And he WASN'T a World Champion.

As for Lee, I have no doubts that he will be finally exposed for what he is...hype.

British fans and commentators are prone to exaggerate the ability of some of their fighters but compared to those idiots you have commentating on RTE, surely the worst I have ever heard, I wouldn't call the kettle black.



i think the fans you are refering to are those whos equivilant in england are those fans whom think hatton is a p4p no.1 and could 'win' the p4p title, they dont know shit about boxing.


il give you a bye ball on RTE jimmy magee, hes a confused old man who again doesnt really know shit about boxing.



how could dunne be the most hyped man in europe? il agree to disagree on the world champ thing, in my eyes he won a world belt, not one of those ****** Boxing Organisation ones either. hes beaten good quality fighters and in a pure boxing sense hes world level. cordoba was/is world class and bernard knocked him out, what more do you want...

we could spend all day arguing about lee but its all moot until he proves it or fails so we will have to see. imo he beats macklin, sylvester and sturm at this point

[BigEars]

I actually see Lee beating Macklin.

There's about as much chance that Macklin will beat Kelly Pavlik as there is that Andy lee will beat Matthew Macklin.

[marty]

There's about as much chance that Macklin will beat Kelly Pavlik as there is that Andy lee will beat Matthew Macklin.

Why:huh

[Beeston Brawler]

I think whoever is handling Lee might as well stick him in at the deep end and see how he goes.

There has been no direction to his career at all, he has been (in name only) a journeyman. Six rounder here, ten rounder there, eight rounds somewhere else.

No wonder he lost focus and was beaten by Brian Vera.

I don't see him becoming world class, nor beating someone like Macklin. But I would back him to win the European against the right opponent, and stand Duddy on his head.

The pair of them have been marketed very well, sent to the States to grab the easy money where they are crazy for Irish boxers. But in terms of substance, not a great deal from Lee (to date) and even less from Duddy.

[Bodysnatcher]

Serious defensive issues. Vera was cracking him with right hands, but Vera could barely touch James Kirkland, who's no Sweet Pea himself.

[Beeston Brawler]

Kirkland would discourage many an opponent from coming forward though..... not sure Lee can.

[LHL]

Lee Vs Barker how do you all see that going? Personally not being biased i think Lee takes him.

[jonnytightlips]

Lee is good but I think he stands too stright up with very little head-movement which makes him easy to hit, also he seems to get cut alot in his fights. I think a switch in trainers would benefit him instead of Steward licking his arse.

[Lee Mc]

Lee Vs Barker how do you all see that going? Personally not being biased i think Lee takes him.

Barker by wide pts.

[BigEars]

Why:huh

Macklin is a lot better than Lee and his style is suited towards beating Lee aswell, he's World Class. Lee however is not, and cannot handle when fighters swarm him and as pointed out is ridiculously open to the right hand. Macklin has a very good right hand and he'd land it all night on Lee and get a stoppage, dominating the whole fight.

Lee wouldn't beat Barker either, even though Barker isn't a big puncher he is very slick and Lee would have a tough time controlling him and keeping him outside.

Andy Lee will not become the fighter many had hoped, he's very flawed and although he could potentially beat someone like Sturm who'll box with him. He won't beat top 10 guys who are aggressive and put a lot of pressure on him. Even Alexander Sipos caused him big problems and Sipos is quite a way off World level.

[slapbangwhallop]

Half my family are in Dublin so I spend a lot of time over there...

Duddy was being bigged up as a possible future World Champion and almost everyone I spoke to thought he would have beaten Kelly Pavlik.
Dunne is far from being World class and is probably the biggest hype job in Europe over the last few years in my opinion. The fight against Cordorba was good but I cant forget that most people I spoke to in Ireland thought he, Dunne, was at least 5 rounds ahead at the time of the stoppage :patsch And he WASN'T a World Champion.

As for Lee, I have no doubts that he will be finally exposed for what he is...hype.

British fans and commentators are prone to exgaggerate the ability of some of their fighters but compared to those idiots you have commentating on RTE, surely the worst I have ever heard, I wouldn't call the kettle black.

Usual bollocks!

Duddy

name names! who was hyping Duddy?

Its the biggest myth that Duddy is/was hyped. Was Duddy more popular than fighters more talented than he is? yes - but being over popular doesnt equate to being over hyped.

Everyone knows what Duddy is - and thats why he gained his poipularity.

Dunne

Back as far as the Vorinon fight people knew that Dunnes chin was suspect. Everyone knew he had the talent but lacked the punch resistance.

That was shown again in the Kiko fight and most people said that Cordoba would beat him as well - so again where is the hype? what was the hype?

Lee

Fair enough, Manny came out from day one and said he would be a future Hall of Famer!

As for the "idiots you have commentating on RTE" - I think you will find that that should be singular - "idiot" - the guy you are referring to is Jimmy Magee. For some reason he is very popular in Ireland - I think he is actually a bit of a cult figure because he talks shiite, a bit like Stuart Hall.

You've let yerself down with that cliched bullshiit mate.

[carlos_jackal]

Lee Vs Barker how do you all see that going? Personally not being biased i think Lee takes him.
Defenitly Lee

[RebelBhoy]

Lee takes Barker for me but Macklin takes Lee.

No reason, just what I think.

Overhyped Irish fighters? I think they are largely given the credit they deserve. Good or bad.

the exception being Paul McCloskey. He was totally underhyped going in to the Colin Lynes fight. It was like a revelation to Johnny Nelson how good this guy was when the boxing following public in Ireland already had a fairly good idea. No hype at all in that case.

[leighton]

Lee needs to step up in level of fighters. I think he takes his eyes off the fight if he is fighting a lesser boxer than him. I think if he is matched with better fighters we will see just what Andy Lee is all about. He needs a couple of tricky hard fights he is still young and if managed right could go far. Has punch power but has to work on his defence. Look at the fights that is out there for Lee there are some good tests out there which he should look at taking as they are better than some of the fights he has been getting elsewhere.

[lucatoni08]

I'm a big Andy Lee fan, but im realistic enough to see his flaws. Very poor head movement, generally bad defence and his jab isnt all that great to be honest. What he does have is decent KO power from both hands, a very strong chin and a lot of heart. Also being a southpaw, he's very difficult to fight against.
His flaws can be worked on, but i'm not too convinced they've done enough since the Vera fight.
At the moment I reckon he beats Duddy and gives the likes of Macklin and Sylvester very good fights that could go either way.
And Lee Mc, your talking shit about 'Irish hype jobs'. You just choose to listen to the people who hype up these fighters (Dunne & Duddy). But if you actually took on board what realistic boxing fans (vast majority) we all mentioned the major flaws in Dunne and Duddy, you and plenty of other people decided not to take that on board though...Everyone knows Dunne has a glass jaw, everyone knows Duddy is simply a brawler, but we acknowlede these things and still get behind our fighters. Its NOT hype, its just simply called supporting your fighter.
Id like to know what sort of football-fans-come-boxing fans you were talking to who said they thought Duddy would beat Pavlik. For the record, before his defeat my view on that particular match up was that it would go maybe 6 rounds with duddy getting stopped on cuts or maybe a towel being thrown in...

[lucatoni08]

Usual bollocks!

Duddy

name names! who was hyping Duddy?

Its the biggest myth that Duddy is/was hyped. Was Duddy more popular than fighters more talented than he is? yes - but being over popular doesnt equate to being over hyped.

Everyone knows what Duddy is - and thats why he gained his poipularity.

Dunne

Back as far as the Vorinon fight people knew that Dunnes chin was suspect. Everyone knew he had the talent but lacked the punch resistance.

That was shown again in the Kiko fight and most people said that Cordoba would beat him as well - so again where is the hype? what was the hype?

Lee

Fair enough, Manny came out from day one and said he would be a future Hall of Famer!

As for the "idiots you have commentating on RTE" - I think you will find that that should be singular - "idiot" - the guy you are referring to is Jimmy Magee. For some reason he is very popular in Ireland - I think he is actually a bit of a cult figure because he talks shiite, a bit like Stuart Hall.

You've let yerself down with that cliched bullshiit mate.
Thats exactly what he is, just a cult figure..He's there to be kinda laughed at with all the funny shit he comes out with. People shouldnt really take it to heart.
Kinda like Bernard Hopkins when he's co-promoting a fight, he pops up in every picture, dont get annoyed by it , laugh at it and enjoy it...

Dave Boy Mcauley does get on my nerves though, 'Cracking shot' every two fucking seconds.......I'd still rather RTE than any of that SKY bullshit, particularly for the post fight analysis. If only they could get Buncey onto the RTE panel that would be great

[RebelBhoy]

It would be.

Duddy has been on there guesting, as has Lee. Jim Rock is decent. None of those are too far removed from the action, so its a good perspective to have.

Lee in particular speaks well of his craft.

I think RTE in general has a more critical panel for all pro sports. The cartoonish George Hook and Eamon Dunphy for Rugby and Football respectively. That aside, there is a level of debate you just don't get with BBC/Sky/ITV. I think Souness said he enjoyed the freedom RTE gives him...as much as I dislike the man.

I had two friends from England over for the last world cup. England were playing portugal. The deal was we watch the BBC commentary, but the RTE panel. They were shocked at the forthright nature of the panel. same apples for boxing imho.

[lucatoni08]

It would be.

Duddy has been on there guesting, as has Lee. Jim Rock is decent. None of those are too far removed from the action, so its a good perspective to have.

Lee in particular speaks well of his craft.

I think RTE in general has a more critical panel for all pro sports. The cartoonish George Hook and Eamon Dunphy for Rugby and Football respectively. That aside, there is a level of debate you just don't get with BBC/Sky/ITV. I think Souness said he enjoyed the freedom RTE gives him...as much as I dislike the man.

I had two friends from England over for the last world cup. England were playing portugal. The deal was we watch the BBC commentary, but the RTE panel. They were shocked at the forthright nature of the panel. same apples for boxing imho.
There is no comparison when it comes to the football panel..No holds barred on RTE......Better than listening to Jamie Redknapp talking shite and sitting on that great big fence of his..

[LHL]

There is no comparison when it comes to the football panel..No holds barred on RTE......Better than listening to Jamie Redknapp talking shite and sitting on that great big fence of his..

Yeah the football on it is great everyones opinions are let out although Dunphy can be annoying sometimes :lol:

[lucatoni08]

Yeah the football on it is great everyones opinions are let out although Dunphy can be annoying sometimes :lol:
again, I have a tendency just to laugh at the things dunphy says.....

[LHL]

again, I have a tendency just to laugh at the things dunphy says.....

True, its brilliant when the whole studio turns on him, Souness is also a lot better on RTE

[greengloves]

andy lee,terrific fighter with so much skill that he is yet to translate into pro success.

his career lacks so much direction it's crazy,he was shaping up well until the vera defeat where i everyone knows that if you have title asporations you should not get into that sort of struggle with.

his rangy jab, is just that, rangy it lacks power snap or conviction, i'm sure that he can make it work he just seems lazy when throwing it out.
his punch variety is very nice though,his ability to throw an uppercut from the outside is great to see and he has a very nice hook to go along with it. it just seems alot of the time that his workrate isnt there, he circles from the outside fighting from the backfoot when with his physical advantages he should be putting his opponent on the backfoot jabjabhooks the simple things he can do yet so often he fails to do.

his inability to fight from the inside is so frustrating and is a major problem,top fighters spot this a mile off and will work to get inside him rather than box him, and unless andy can improve this he aint going anywhere fast.

he has all the assets in place, his skills,marketability a hof trainer and a great base in NYC, he needs a decent promoter to get him the fights he needs and manny needs to realise andy's flaws so he can translate his promise into results.

at the minute i see matty macklin taking a ud and andy uding barker in a snoozefest.

[Mazallan]

Andy Lee will make a good gate keeper but has nothing to worry the top 20 fighters.

[Farmboxer]

Andy Lee has a future, he needs a few more fights though.

[Ectoplasm]

Lee is being handled poorly. As someone said he has little direction with his career. He has fought no one of high calibre and until he does, you can't go around saying he's going to beat Pavlik. I would like to see him fight Macklin, but I honestly don't think he would survive against him at the moment.

[lucatoni08]

Andy Lee will make a good gate keeper but has nothing to worry the top 20 fighters.
he's probably ranked inside the top 20 middleweights as it is......

[slapbangwhallop]

he's probably ranked inside the top 20 middleweights as it is......

no.24

[iceman]

Lee bought into all the bullshit Manny was spewing amd then Vera(nothing more than a tough journeyman) handed him a big dose of reality. Lee has talent but i think Steward is all wrong for him.It looks like he is trying to turn Lee into a middleweight version of Wlad with the pawing jab there to set up the big punch. The problem is that Lee does not have one-punch KO power in his overrated left hand, his right hook yes, but not the left and his jab is useless.
Now he realises that hard work, better stamina and gradual progress is what is needed to get to the top.He can't win a title based on his raw talent and Steward's wild assumptions. They are almost being too cautious with Lee now but at least he is getting good experience, i would like to see him step it up but his last few performances have not been too impressive. The jury is still out on Lee , i hope he does well, he's a real nice kid, i think a change of management/trainer would do him a world of good.

[Mazallan]

he's probably ranked inside the top 20 middleweights as it is......


But is that down to him being promoted well and having careful matchmaking or is it down to him being the 24th best middleweight in the world? I doubt Vera is the 23rd or better middle.

[lucatoni08]

But is that down to him being promoted well and having careful matchmaking or is it down to him being the 24th best middleweight in the world? I doubt Vera is the 23rd or better middle.
I'd say its a relatively fair position at this point in his career...

[GladiatoR]

He's a huge hypejob.

The white Hearns?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Paddy]

Lee bought into all the bullshit Manny was spewing amd then Vera(nothing more than a tough journeyman) handed him a big dose of reality. Lee has talent but i think Steward is all wrong for him.It looks like he is trying to turn Lee into a middleweight version of Wlad with the pawing jab there to set up the big punch. The problem is that Lee does not have one-punch KO power in his overrated left hand, his right hook yes, but not the left and his jab is useless.
Now he realises that hard work, better stamina and gradual progress is what is needed to get to the top.He can't win a title based on his raw talent and Steward's wild assumptions. They are almost being too cautious with Lee now but at least he is getting good experience, i would like to see him step it up but his last few performances have not been too impressive. The jury is still out on Lee , i hope he does well, he's a real nice kid, i think a change of management/trainer would do him a world of good.

first things first Lee didnt by into t he "bullshit" Lee is highly self critical and has never seen himself in the way Manny described him

secondly Manny doesnt train Andy he is Andys manager and works as Head trainer for the day to day training he was being Trained by Joey Gamche then Joey and Manny had a parting of ways and Andy was trained by Anrnold "Sugar" Hill who is Mannys nephew

Andy is now back with Joey Gamache for his fight in November

Lees power is over rated? I would feel he doesnt use his power enough

can you tell me the last opponent Lee fought that Lee didnt knock down atleast once?

He uses his pawing jab to distract his opponent I agree that this is a mistake and should be employing a stiffer jab


I agree the jury is still out in Lee but his talent is undoubted and hes still very young and has alot of time on his side. I have alot of respect for Andy


as for his last few outings being unimpressive I will agree

However Andy was VERY happy with his last fight that he had in america knowing andy as being the self critical monster that he is he must have been bloody good if he was happy with it.

hes moving in the right direction we have to remember that Lee isint signed to a promoter save for Brian Peters in ireland

So he was never going to move as quick as Amir Khan up the world rankings who has the Frank ****** Power House behind him

[Irishbc]

Just like Duddy and Dunne he is another hype job from Ireland...

He will possibly fight for the Euro title but can't see Macklin lose to him to be honest. He has the possibility of a mega showdown with Duddy at 160 that will generate a lot of interest and money and, if I were him, I'd take it.

He's much better than Duddy, and you're right if only the Irish learned from you Brits and stopped hyping every fighter that could throw a punch.

would hardly be a mega showdown, nobody really cares about Duddy.

[lucatoni08]

first things first Lee didnt by into t he "bullshit" Lee is highly self critical and has never seen himself in the way Manny described him

secondly Manny doesnt train Andy he is Andys manager and works as Head trainer for the day to day training he was being Trained by Joey Gamche then Joey and Manny had a parting of ways and Andy was trained by Anrnold "Sugar" Hill who is Mannys nephew

Andy is now back with Joey Gamache for his fight in November

Lees power is over rated? I would feel he doesnt use his power enough

can you tell me the last opponent Lee fought that Lee didnt knock down atleast once?

He uses his pawing jab to distract his opponent I agree that this is a mistake and should be employing a stiffer jab


I agree the jury is still out in Lee but his talent is undoubted and hes still very young and has alot of time on his side. I have alot of respect for Andy


as for his last few outings being unimpressive I will agree

However Andy was VERY happy with his last fight that he had in america knowing andy as being the self critical monster that he is he must have been bloody good if he was happy with it.

hes moving in the right direction we have to remember that Lee isint signed to a promoter save for Brian Peters in ireland

So he was never going to move as quick as Amir Khan up the world rankings who has the Frank ****** Power House behind him
Paddy, any footage of his last fight...Nothing on youtube apart from a video behind the scenes etc....

[46and0]

Decent enough fighter who may pick up a vacant belt here and there. He's not world class though. I wasn't impressed when he fought Brian Vera, who is essentially a pub brawler.

[iceman]

first things first Lee didnt by into t he "bullshit" Lee is highly self critical and has never seen himself in the way Manny described him

secondly Manny doesnt train Andy he is Andys manager and works as Head trainer for the day to day training he was being Trained by Joey Gamche then Joey and Manny had a parting of ways and Andy was trained by Anrnold "Sugar" Hill who is Mannys nephew

Andy is now back with Joey Gamache for his fight in November

Lees power is over rated? I would feel he doesnt use his power enough

can you tell me the last opponent Lee fought that Lee didnt knock down atleast once?

He uses his pawing jab to distract his opponent I agree that this is a mistake and should be employing a stiffer jab


I agree the jury is still out in Lee but his talent is undoubted and hes still very young and has alot of time on his side. I have alot of respect for Andy


as for his last few outings being unimpressive I will agree

However Andy was VERY happy with his last fight that he had in america knowing andy as being the self critical monster that he is he must have been bloody good if he was happy with it.

hes moving in the right direction we have to remember that Lee isint signed to a promoter save for Brian Peters in ireland

So he was never going to move as quick as Amir Khan up the world rankings who has the Frank ****** Power House behind him

Then why wasn't he prepared for the Vera fight,over confident or bad training?
He has decent power but nothing special,his left is overrated:deal but i do like his right hook which he doesn't use enough

Listen, i hope the lad does well, he seems like a good kid,i'm just giving my opinion

[Farmboxer]

Lee a future champion.

[dave]

I actually see Lee beating Macklin.I agree

[Mazallan]

Hopefully he shows his class in future fights and we get to see him become a world champ. He certainly has a few huge fights ready for him if he wishes to take them. Personally I think he needs to improve to have a real chance of a title but at middleweight at the moment he could spring a surprise, the division is not hot at the moment but talent is ready to come through so maybe Lee needs to make a move sooner rather than later. If he is not cut out for title fights he can still entertain and make money in America and fight a few times back over here against Duddy, Macklin and Moore.

[barry big balls]

The middle weight division is going to be red hot next year! it seems, macklin, golovikin ,njikam , pirog and of course andy will be challenging the top guys next year and these guys are all good fighters......