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sugarsean

10-24-2009, 12:55 AM

This list is based more on a achievement and who they beat or dominance for a long period of time rather than head 2 head (also I do not count WBO titles)

so this my top ten best Pd 4 Pd fighters this decade (2000-2009) based on achievements

1.Manny Pacquaio Record 49W 3L 2D 37KO's (3 WBC 1 IBF 3 Ring Championship Belts, in 6 weight division's over a 11 year period )
Wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Oscar Larios, Jorge Solis and David Diaz,

2.Floyd Mayweather Jr Record 40W 0L 0D 25KO's (5 WBC 1 IBF 2 Ring Chamionship Belts, in 5 weight division's over a 10 year period)
Wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Jose Luis Castillo, Zab Judah, Aturo Gatti, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfedy, Emanuel Augustus, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Philip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell and Carlos Baldomir

3.Bernard Hopkins Record 49W 5L 1D 32Ko's (1 WBC 1 WBA 1 IBF 2 Ring Championship Belts, in 2 weight division's over a 14 year period)
Wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, Antonio Tarver, Ronald Wright, Glenn Johnson, William Joppy, John David Jackson and Keith Holmes

4.Marco Antonio Barrera Record 65W 7L 0D 43KO's (2 WBC 1 IBF 1 Ring Championships Belts, 2 weight division's over a 6 year period)
Wins over Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed, Kennedy McKinney, Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Paulie Alaya, Rocky Juarez, Mzonka Fana and Robbie Peden

5.Ronald Wright Record 51W 5L 1D 25KO's (1 WBC 1 WBA 1 IBF 1 Ring Championship Belt, 1 weight division over a 4 year period)
Wins over Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Ike Quartey, Bronco McKart, Keith Mullings

6.Erik Morales Record 48W 6L 0D 34KO's (4 WBC 1 IBF, in 3 weight division's over a 7 year period)
Wins over Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Wanye McCullough, Kevin Kelley, Paulie Alaya, In-Jin Chi, Jesus Chavez and Carlos Hernandez

7.Shane Mosley Record 46W 5L 0D 39KO's (2 WBC 2 WBA 1 IBF 1 Ring Championship Belt, in 3 weight divisions's over a 12 year period)
Wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Antonio Margarito, Fernando Vargas, Luis Callazo, Ricardo Mayorga, Jesse James Leija, John John Monlina and Philip Holiday.

8.Oscar De La Hoya Record 39W 6L 0D 30KO's (4 WBC 1 IBF 1 WBA 1 Ring Championship Belts, in 4 weight division's over a 12 year period)
Wins over Ike Quartey, Fernando Vargas, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Hector Camacho, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, John John Molina, Jesse James Leija, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Oba Carr, Aturo Gatti, Javier Castilejo, Luis Ramon Campas and Ricardo Mayorga

9.Juan Manuel Marquez Record 50W 5L 1D 37KO's (1 WBC 2 WBA 1 IBF 1 Ring Championship Belt, in 3 weight division's over a 6 year period)
Wins over Marco Antonio Barrera, Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz, Rocky Juarez, Derrick Gainer, Manuel Mendina

10.Kostya Tszyu Record 31W 2L 0D 25KO's (2 WBC 1 WBA 3 IBF 1 Ring Championship Belt, in 1 weight division over a 11 period)
Wins over Zab Judah, Julio Cesar Chavez, Sharmba Mitchell Roger Mayweather, Rafael Ruelas, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Oktay Urkal, Ben Tackie and Jesse James Leija

whats your lists

Addie

10-24-2009, 01:04 AM

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Erik Morales
6. Shane Mosley
7. Oscar De La Hoya
8. Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Wladimir Klitschko
0. Joe Calzaghe

frankenfrank

10-26-2009, 04:40 PM

1. pac
2. mosley
3. mayweather
4. wright
5. glen johnson
6. toney
7. byrd
8. dawson
9. calzaghe
10 . cotto

except for pac at #1 , i didn't put much effort writing it in the correct order.

worth mentioning : arthur abraham

williams is good by the naive definition of p4p but doesn't look that impressive when his physical prowess jumps to mind.
remember quintana.

hopkins is a very dirty fighter - don't forget it.
he also is ducking the good oposition and picking fights in a roy jones manner (early roy jones).

Addie

10-26-2009, 04:47 PM

GPater11093

10-26-2009, 04:59 PM

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Barrera
6. Mosley
7. Morales
8. Wright
9. De La Hoya
10. Calderon

Addie

10-26-2009, 05:08 PM

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Barrera
6. Mosley
7. Morales
8. Wright
9. De La Hoya
10. Calderon

Marquez above Barrera and Morales? Ouch. Can't agree with that at all. Calderon has been dominating a wasteland, currently been having huge issues with his latest opponent, I think there are more deserving players. Calzaghe was every bit as consistent as Calderon and was beating better fighters.

GPater11093

10-26-2009, 05:14 PM

Marquez above Barrera and Morales? Ouch. Can't agree with that at all. Calderon has been dominating a wasteland, currently been having huge issues with his latest opponent, I think there are more deserving players. Calzaghe was every bit as consistent as Calderon and was beating better fighters.

thought someone would take issue here just threw it in to debate

arguably JMM has 2 wins over Pac (a better version that the one Morales beat IMO in the 2nd fight) he has won belts in 3 weights being regarded in each as the best at that weight. Arguably beat a long time standing Featherweight champion in John.

at SFW he established himself with wins over top contenders Juarez especially.

He then moved up to Lightweight and wins against the number 1 lightweight in Casa who had slipped but was still regarded as the best (except Pac but he hadnt estblished himewlf there enough) then defending against arguably the top contender and KOing him (Diaz)

Also just thought id throw Calderon in for debate also

think what he has done is underrated beat good guys in Mayol (close though) Cazarez was 2 good wins. Hes just dominated so good. But so ha joe so fair enough

Bill Butcher

10-26-2009, 05:15 PM

Addie

10-26-2009, 05:23 PM

arguably JMM has 2 wins over Pac (a better version that the one Morales beat IMO in the 2nd fight) he has won belts in 3 weights being regarded in each as the best at that weight. Arguably beat a long time standing Featherweight champion in John.We've seen the extent of John's ability by struggling with the likes of Rocky Jaurez on two occasions. He has not impressed me, so with Marquez losing a decision to the same man, that only diminishes Marquez as a fighter.

Admittedly, I had Marquez winning both fights with Pacquiao but they were too close to ever be considered robbery's. He didn't get the decision, and therefore he only gets credited as putting up great performances. These are fights Marquez ultimately lost.

at SFW he established himself with wins over top contenders Juarez especially.

Juarez loses every time he steps up in class.

He then moved up to Lightweight and wins against the number 1 lightweight in Casa who had slipped but was still regarded as the best (except Pac but he hadnt estblished himewlf there enough) then defending against arguably the top contender and KOing him (Diaz)

Joel Casamayor had shown sufficient wear and tear prior to fighting Marquez, and the fight proved to be a very competitive affair before the knockout came. I'm not going to discredit the win further, Marquez beat a good Lightweight. No question about it.

Barrera and Morales, both have wins over prime great fighters. Barrera has Morales x2 and Hamed, whereas Morales has Barrera and Pacquiao. Considering these two are also three weight world champions, and have fought better opposition than Marquez on the whole - I can't see any reason to have Marquez above them.

Addie

10-26-2009, 05:24 PM

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Hopkins
5. Morales (would be higher but had his peak from 97-2000 & was finished by 05, still did enough to crack this list tho)
6. Barrera
7. Mosely
8. Marquez
9. Wright
10. Delahoya

Lots of guys could be swapped, kinda rushed it but no1 & 2 are locks, Hopkins is a bit overrated IMO but any list without him isnt worth shit either.

Who has the better resume, Mayweather or Hopkins? Hopkins wins fights he supposed to lose, whereas Mayweather only does what people expect of him when he takes on Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, and Aturo Gatti.

frankenfrank

10-27-2009, 06:16 AM

One of the worst lists I've ever seen. I felt guilty about including Klitschko, but Byrd? Dawson? Ouch. Barrera and Morales are locks.
well maybe dawson not , and calzaghe also not. but byrd is a lock.
barerra ? morales ? they were stopped 2 times a piece and at still young ages. being small does not make you a p4p fighter. especially when small and fighting against your size.
you want dawson and calzaghe out ? take abraham in ? donaire in ? i don't know. hard to find 10. afolabi ? alan green ? shumenov ? garay ?

frankenfrank

10-27-2009, 06:18 AM

Who has the better resume, Mayweather or Hopkins? Hopkins wins fights he supposed to lose, whereas Mayweather only does what people expect of him when he takes on Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, and Aturo Gatti.
mayweather must be ranked higher than hopkins.
hopkins dirtier and choosier.
mayweather also outpointed delahoya and judah and then some.

bodhi

10-27-2009, 06:59 AM

1. Pacquiao
2. Hopkins
3. Mayweather
4. Maqruez
5. Mosley
6. Wright
7. Calzaghe
8. Barrera
9. Morales
0. De La Hoya

bigtime-skills

10-27-2009, 09:27 AM

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I actually agree with this list, thoughI would replace Oscar Delahoya with Winky Wright....

Manny Pacquaio
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Shane Mosley
Erik Morales
Tito Trinidad
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Winky Wright (instead of DLH for 2000-2009)

Popkins

10-27-2009, 10:12 AM

pugilistspecialist

10-27-2009, 10:20 AM

1)Floyd Mayweather
2)Manny Pacquaio
3)Roy Jones
4)Bernard Hopkins
5)Erik Morales
6)Marco Antonio Barrera
7)Juan Manuel Marquez
8)Shane Mosley
9)Ivan Calderon
10) Joe Calzaghe

Popkins

10-27-2009, 03:15 PM

Addie

10-27-2009, 03:17 PM

barerra ? morales ? they were stopped 2 times a piece and at still young ages.

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. Smarten up.

Changed my mind. Very quickly, Erik Morales was past his prime by the time he was stopped. It doesn't take a genius to work that out when you have a side by side comparison of Morales in 2000 and the one in 2005-06. He'd been through a stupid amount of wars. Barrera 1 & 3, In Jin Chi, Chavez, Hernandez, and of course, the first Manny Pacquiao fight. Barrera, he was knocked out early on, and then he came back to establish himself as a three weight world champion, the best 126lbs of the last decade, and holds wins over great unbeaten primed fighters. Leaving Barrera off this list is obscene. I don't even think Divac or Butcher would do it.

Addie

10-27-2009, 03:34 PM

Judged solely from 2000-2009:

1.Manny Pacquiao

2.Bernard Hopkins

3.Floyd Mayweather Jr

4.Shane Mosley

5.Marco Antonio Barrera

6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Erik Morales
8.Winky Wright
9.Joe Calzaghe
10.Jose Luis Castillo

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Have no real arguments with this one. When you consider that the majority feel Castillo holds a win over your number three, and of course the Castillo and Casamayor victories- Jose had a good reign at Lightweight, probably the best Lightweight of the decade.

No Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson. Now that's good news. :good

teeto

10-27-2009, 03:44 PM

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. Smarten up.

:lol::lol::lol:

Popkins

10-27-2009, 05:48 PM

Have no real arguments with this one. When you consider that the majority feel Castillo holds a win over your number three, and of course the Castillo and Casamayor victories- Jose had a good reign at Lightweight, probably the best Lightweight of the decade.

No Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson. Now that's good news. :good

I scored the first Castillo-Mayweather fight 115-113 for JLC. I scored the second 117-113 Mayweather. Beating my number 3 once and running him relatively close in the second (and losing by only 2 points over 24 rounds) is one of the main reasons JLC nicks that last spot.

frankenfrank

10-28-2009, 03:57 PM

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. Smarten up.

Changed my mind. Very quickly, Erik Morales was past his prime by the time he was stopped. It doesn't take a genius to work that out when you have a side by side comparison of Morales in 2000 and the one in 2005-06. He'd been through a stupid amount of wars. Barrera 1 & 3, In Jin Chi, Chavez, Hernandez, and of course, the first Manny Pacquiao fight. Barrera, he was knocked out early on, and then he came back to establish himself as a three weight world champion, the best 126lbs of the last decade, and holds wins over great unbeaten primed fighters. Leaving Barrera off this list is obscene. I don't even think Divac or Butcher would do it.

did barerra or morales ever outpoint or even last the distance with a man 7" taller than themselves and some 20-27lbs heavier than themselves and being constantly severely undersized ? norris and byrd did. barerra and morales were good against people their own size.
norris and byrd were good against bigger men. that's p4p.
learn its definition.

Bill Butcher

10-28-2009, 04:10 PM

Who has the better resume, Mayweather or Hopkins? Hopkins wins fights he supposed to lose, whereas Mayweather only does what people expect of him when he takes on Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, and Aturo Gatti.

Mayweather is a legit 5 weight world champion & in 40 fights thru those 5 weights has won convincingly in 38/39 of those fights displaying the best technical boxing talent since Pernell Whitaker/Julio cesar Chavez, he regularly connects at roughly 60% of his punches & rarely gets hit clean.
He is simply a more complete & better boxer than Hopkins, Hops has fought MORE good fighters - tho FMJ has fought some too despite what gets thrown at him on ESB - but Hopkins has lost to at least half of those good fighters, showing that he has a weakness for guys with speed that can box well, Mayweather has shown no weakness yet other than retiring for 2 yrs in his prime... but he`s back now... & if he doesnt fight the fights that we (the fans) want ?... I`ll help you hunt him down & we can both piss on his face because thats what he`ll deserve, time will tell tho, either way he is still ahead of Hopkins IMO.
Resume is only one part of it, albeit a very important part.

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