Style to beat pbf

[Oscar de la Roa]

Some say its body atack as in jose luis castillo
Some Say stiff jab wich dlh applied in the early rounds
Some say pressure pressure pressure and that maybe seen when facing hatton.

what do u guys think?

[Brickhaus]

Hurt him to the point that his defense suffers. It doesn't matter how you get that done, but that's the only way to beat him, IMO. Probably the easiest way to do that is to cheat and get away with it. Constant clinching while trying to yank his arms out of their sockets probably helps limit his shoulder roll. A nice headbutt or two might get him to lift his guard a bit and open up the body. It's just too hard to land clean on him without compromising his defense, either way.

[digiram]

All 3.

Hatton has 2 of the 3, so he still falls short.

[BITCH ASS]

Floyd often takes away his opponents jab with his speed and reflexes.

He'll often throw a right hand counter over the jab, or he'll step to the side and throw a right.

If he gets you in the right spot and you're winded, he can land 2 or 3 rights in a row.

[peter5]

Floyd often takes away his opponents jab with his speed and reflexes.

He'll often throw a right hand counter over the jab, or he'll step to the side and throw a right.

If he gets you in the right spot and you're winded, he can land 2 or 3 rights in a row.

Ricky will be alright there then! Seriously, I dont think ricky will try anything cute but pure pressure and brute force, try to put floyd in a place he hasnt been before, see how far he can dig! But, its easier said than done.

[FlatNose]

A prime Vernon Forrest. In fact Forrest did look a bit like his old self against Baldomir so if he his shoulder is totally healed up, Id take Forrest over FLoyd at 154. NO doubt about it.

Or..
Paul Williams who has height, reach, some pop, throws punches in bunches, can take a shot, has balls, good stamina, and is relentless.
Guys fighting on the inside , like Hatton, don't have a good of a chance against Floyd as a fast rangy long range pressure fighter like Williams would have.If Floyd tried to fight off the ropes against Williams, Paul could bang away just out of Floyds reach.
Floyd is damn hard to beat but Williams would have the best chance.
Just don't hold your breath waiting for Floyd to volunteer to fight him.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

I don't mean to diss the Hatton fan but I got a question for them. Did Hatton ever fight a slick and very fast fighter anywhere close to PBF?

[sdsfinest22]

Big WW, with shoulders, decent speed, good timing, good defense, pressure Floyd when he wants, and crisp punches.

[Bobby Heenan]

try to push him against the ropes and launch your head at him...hope to open a nasty gash on him....only way i can see it

[Ilesey]

Lennox Lewis. Literally be Lennox Lewis.

[Go Getta]

Amir Khan, Floyd cant deal with speed, watch rds 1-4 vs Zab

[Bobby Heenan]

Amir Khan, Floyd cant deal with speed, watch rds 1-4 vs Zab

yeah...did you see the rest of the fight

khan is similar to zab....not many can match them in the physical gifts department....but youve got to have it between the ears and know how to put a fight together.....khan and zab dont have that...khan has all the physical tools youd want....he just doesnt know how to flow from offense to defense effectively....just doesnt know how to put it all together correctly

[slugger3000]

Big WW, with shoulders, decent speed, good timing, good defense, pressure Floyd when he wants, and crisp punches.
I think Vernon Forrest would've beat Floyd!

[Bogotazo]

Some of the best from a variety of styles could beat him; quick mobile southpaws, elite infighters, tough and tall boxer-punchers, and tall boxers/counter-punchers are styles I see picking different men from to beat him.

[Bobby Heenan]

i think this is the easiest plan ive seen

create a loyal fan base...preferably one that is largely blind....and hopefully one that just started following the sport within the last 5 years

pretend to want to fight floyd

when the fight never gets made your fans will flock to boxing message boards in droves to defend you and claim floyd is the one ducking you.....they will also claim that you will destroy floyd if you could actually get him in the ring

you win twice....your fans say floyd is ducking you and your fans say you destroy floyd...you never get a scratch on ya and your earning power never drops

[sdsfinest22]

I think Vernon Forrest would've beat Floyd!

good match up-Post Shoulder injury Vernon Forrest would not-

Pre injury, he fits what I just said the best doesn't he, your right:think..

He makes for a style problem for Floyd though, I agree.

[slugger3000]

good match up-Post Shoulder injury Vernon Forrest would not-

Pre injury, he fits what I just said the best doesn't he, your right:think..

He makes for a style problem for Floyd though, I agree.
Yes he did fit the criteria! That would of been a good fight..

[Norbix]

People will call me crazy for this but I think the best way to beat floyd NOWADAYS with his new style is basically slick counter punching. Honestly, the number one attribute a boxer needs to beat Floyd Mayweather is footwork. If your feet are not as quick as his and/or you can't position yourself as well as he does you just can't beat him because he's so quick to move in the right directions.

[ripcity]

i think this is the easiest plan ive seen

create a loyal fan base...preferably one that is largely blind....and hopefully one that just started following the sport within the last 5 years

pretend to want to fight floyd

when the fight never gets made your fans will flock to boxing message boards in droves to defend you and claim floyd is the one ducking you.....they will also claim that you will destroy floyd if you could actually get him in the ring

you win twice....your fans say floyd is ducking you and your fans say you destroy floyd...you never get a scratch on ya and your earning power never drops
This is known as the Pacquiao Method.

[Webbiano]

Whitaker's style if you are of his sort of ability. It would be dull but you could effectivley keep retreating from floyd he'd have to go after you eventually

[Flexe]

Prime Antonio Margarito!

[Badbot]

A good jab is always a way to success in boxing.
A good jab, smart pressure, experience and boxing IQ. That is a lot to ask but there are people who have those abilities.

[Sunchild78]

A slick fighter with great foot work defense, speed, stamina and focus can get the job done. Zab Judah in the first three rounds of there fight comes to mind. If someone like that with all of the above attributes step to the plate, they will definitely give Floyd a problem. Zab lacked the discipline and stamina to keep up, which is why he got picked apart. Pac has the speed and stamina, but lacks the defense and will easily get fustrated as the fight goes on from Floyd hitting him. As of right now the only person who could beat Floyd is Floyd.

[Cellz831]

there is no blueprint.

[FinalBELL]

Prime Antonio Margarito!

I second this! Margarito in his prime was offered but never accepted by Floyd for a reason?

[liger05]

Prime Antonio Margarito!

How? What did he do which Floyd would not be able to deal with. Floyd would be too quick and too smart for Margarito.

[timeout]

Some say its body atack as in jose luis castillo
Some Say stiff jab wich dlh applied in the early rounds
Some say pressure pressure pressure and that maybe seen when facing hatton.

what do u guys think?

Just look at Castillo I.
Blueprint is there, may got beaten on the night.

That blueprint is lots of body work first 6rds.
After that bring the attack up and pound that glass jaw.

[knockout artist]

Tommy Hearns.

[slugger3000]

there is no blueprint.
Castillo already tapped that! Do you even know who Jose Luis Castillo is? I know you're quite young.. :rofl

[canucks9314]

I hate how people bring up the Castillo fight which was like 10 years ago and say he hasn't changed as a fighter but when someone brings up Morales-Pacquiao then they say but Pacquiao is a completely new fighter.

[MaliBua]

there is no blueprint.
haha:lol:

I was just to post same.

45 tried, 45 failed.

No Bluerint.:deal:lol:

[canucks9314]

i think this is the easiest plan ive seen

create a loyal fan base...preferably one that is largely blind....and hopefully one that just started following the sport within the last 5 years

pretend to want to fight floyd

when the fight never gets made your fans will flock to boxing message boards in droves to defend you and claim floyd is the one ducking you.....they will also claim that you will destroy floyd if you could actually get him in the ring

you win twice....your fans say floyd is ducking you and your fans say you destroy floyd...you never get a scratch on ya and your earning power never drops

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Rudyard]

I hate how people bring up the Castillo fight which was like 10 years ago and say he hasn't changed as a fighter but when someone brings up Morales-Pacquiao then they say but Pacquiao is a completely new fighter.
Gotta love how dumbass haters are always contradicting themselves!:lol:

[DrMo]

Kell Brook

/thread

[Pimp C]

I second this! Margarito in his prime was offered but never accepted by Floyd for a reason?

Wrong! A prime Margo is a counter-punchers' wet dream and he would be picked apart and schooled by PBF. The guy doesn't apply educated pressure from behind the jab and gives up his height fights dumb eats far too many shots and doesn't hit hard post loaded wraps anyway. He would be nothing but a big slow moving target. He's wide open throws looping shots and slow of both hand and foot, PBF would hit him and he would be gone forcing Margo to reset again and again. He would be countered and beat to the punch all night.:deal Margo wouldn't win a round against PBF he's too flawed and limited. Easy work for PBF much like the Baldo fight, it would be a clinic.:deal

[mrjotatp4p]

Wrong! A prime Margo is a counter-punchers' wet dream and he would be picked apart and schooled by PBF. The guy doesn't apply educated pressure from behind the jab and gives up his height fights dumb eats far too many shots and doesn't hit hard post loaded wraps anyway. He would be nothing but a big slow moving target. He's wide open throws looping shots and slow of both hand and foot, PBF would hit him and he would be gone forcing Margo to reset again and again. He would be countered and beat to the punch all night.:deal Margo wouldn't win a round against PBF he's too flawed and limited. Easy work for PBF much like the Baldo fight, it would be a clinic.:deal

:thumbsup Would have been an easy victory for Floyd. I personally think a guy like Winky would have beaten Floyd. Its going to take a bigger guy with decent speed, good jab, and ring IQ to beat Mayweather. I think Martinez can beat him.

[Pimp C]

:thumbsup Would have been an easy victory for Floyd. I personally think a guy like Winky would have beaten Floyd. Its going to take a bigger guy with decent speed, good jab, and ring IQ to beat Mayweather. I think Martinez can beat him.

I agree. Winky would have beaten PBF back when he was at 154. Bad style match up for him. Winky applied educated pressure walking guys down from behind a ATG jab and excellent tight guard. He was also big and strong with underrated toughness and ring IQ.

[Bill Butcher]

Some say its body atack as in jose luis castillo
Some Say stiff jab wich dlh applied in the early rounds
Some say pressure pressure pressure and that maybe seen when facing hatton.

what do u guys think?

I`d say its more so the man rather than the style that would beat fmj... for eg. Castillo & JC Chavez were pressure fighters for the most part, fmj proved superior to Castillo thru 2 fights but I`d favour Chavez to beat fmj using the same gameplan because he has more variety & is technically superior to Castillo.

[slugger3000]

haha:lol:

I was just to post same.

45 tried, 45 failed.

No Bluerint.:deal:lol:
Floyd is 42-0! You must be thinking of Julio "Sugar" Chavez Jr.! he's 45-0

[huitzi]

a prime margarito wouldve done it

[Pimp C]

a prime margarito wouldve done it
Prime Margo would get a boxing lesson of a lifetime anyone who can break down a fight can see it. You don't know shit about boxing log off.

[Webbiano]

Kell Brook

/thread

This :good

[FinalBELL]

Wrong! A prime Margo is a counter-punchers' wet dream and he would be picked apart and schooled by PBF. The guy doesn't apply educated pressure from behind the jab and gives up his height fights dumb eats far too many shots and doesn't hit hard post loaded wraps anyway. He would be nothing but a big slow moving target. He's wide open throws looping shots and slow of both hand and foot, PBF would hit him and he would be gone forcing Margo to reset again and again. He would be countered and beat to the punch all night.:deal Margo wouldn't win a round against PBF he's too flawed and limited. Easy work for PBF much like the Baldo fight, it would be a clinic.:deal

Well I guess we will never know, since Floyd decided to fight Baldomir instead. Lets put it this way, Margo has faced a lot of good competition:

Martinez
Cintron
Williams
Cotto
Mosley
Pacquiao

Im sure you know which ones Margo beat and which fights he got beat in.
Now I am no Margo fan by any means; but in his prime Margo was a handfull for anyone. You were in for a very tough fight regardless of who you are. I am definetely a boxing fan, not just one boxers fan. And to me it seems like Castillo gave Floyd his toughest fight and Floyd wanted nothing to do with a prime Margarito at the time the fight was proposed.
Why, because in the welter division Margarito most closely resembled Castillo. Just a bigger, taller, and longer version.

Btw the 3 guys that have beat Margo on that list are not considered counter punchers. But they do have one thing in common; they threw a high volume of power punches. Something Floyd is not known for.

[slugger3000]

Prime Margo would get a boxing lesson of a lifetime anyone who can break down a fight can see it. You don't know shit about boxing log off.
What about Prime Mosley or Prime Forrest??

[slugger3000]

a prime margarito wouldve done it
Styles make fights! :good

[mrjotatp4p]

What about Prime Mosley or Prime Forrest??

Prime Forrest had a good shot at beating Floyd. Mosley would get his ass kicked at any time. Would have taking his ass whipping a while back but he had a toothache.

[Pimp C]

Well I guess we will never know, since Floyd decided to fight Baldomir instead. Lets put it this way, Margo has faced a lot of good competition:

Martinez
Cintron
Williams
Cotto
Mosley
Pacquiao

Im sure you know which ones Margo beat and which fights he got beat in.
Now I am no Margo fan by any means; but in his prime Margo was a handfull for anyone. You were in for a very tough fight regardless of who you are. I am definetely a boxing fan, not just one boxers fan. And to me it seems like Castillo gave Floyd his toughest fight and Floyd wanted nothing to do with a prime Margarito at the time the fight was proposed.
Why, because in the welter division Margarito most closely resembled Castillo. Just a bigger, taller, and longer version.

Btw the 3 guys that have beat Margo on that list are not considered counter punchers. But they do have one thing in common; they threw a high volume of power punches. Something Floyd is not known for.
The only thing JLC and Margo have in common is the fact that they are both Mexican. Not all pressure fighters are created equal and it's a common mistake that alot of people make when evaluating fighters. JLC was light years more skilled and complete than Margo it's not close. He applied educated pressure behind the jab with head movement and a guard he could cut the ring off better and could fight in a phone booth if need be for 12 rounds. Margo can't pressure PBF like JLC did he lacks the footwork and he can't fight on the inside like JLC could in a phone booth he needs more space to be effective, he's also alot slower. He isn't the body puncher that JLC was and didn't hit harder as well, P4P speaking. JLC applies educated pressure unlike Margo who applies uneducated has no jab is slow wide open there is a big difference between the two no comparison can be made. Educated pressure is the key to beating PBF not uneducated like the type Margo brings. Margo would be picked apart and schooled with his lack of jab, slow hands poor footwork and lack of defense. He would look like he was fighting underwater against PBF.:deal

Also in the rematch PBF showed you what he could do to JLC when he was 100%.

[Pimp C]

What about Prime Mosley or Prime Forrest??

Prime Forrest gives PBF hell. PBF beats any version of Mosley he has his number.:deal

[kingpwc]

father time has the most likely style to beat floyd...at this time...

[FinalBELL]

The only thing JLC and Margo have in common is the fact that they are both Mexican. Not all pressure fighters are created equal and it's a common mistake that alot of people make when evaluating fighters. JLC was light years more skilled and complete than Margo it's not close. He applied educated pressure behind the jab with head movement and a guard he could cut the ring off better and could fight in a phone booth if need be for 12 rounds. Margo can't pressure PBF like JLC did he lacks the footwork and he can't fight on the inside like JLC could in a phone booth he needs more space to be effective, he's also alot slower. He isn't the body puncher that JLC was and didn't hit harder as well, P4P speaking. JLC applies educated pressure unlike Margo who applies uneducated has no jab is slow wide open there is a big difference between the two no comparison can be made. Educated pressure is the key to beating PBF not uneducated like the type Margo brings. Margo would be picked apart and schooled with his lack of jab, slow hands poor footwork and lack of defense. He would look like he was fighting underwater against PBF.:deal

Also in the rematch PBF showed you what he could do to JLC when he was 100%.

Definetely I agree that Castillo was much more polished of a fighter than Margo. Margo, however does have the closest style to Castillo than any other welter. Margo, although not a refined pressure fighter would have enjoyed the height and reach advantages in a fight between them. I would have loved to have seen this fight and I am not doubting Floyd has the skills to beat Margo. It would have been interesting.

[Cleto-Reyes]

4 me it would be who simply would throw caution to the wind,,punches in bunches n be more aggresive when hit ,, young morales , barrera style , n gatti ward style ... cause lets face it .. u aint gona outbox him imo ... but floyd is so adaptable its almost un human like

[slugger3000]

Prime Forrest had a good shot at beating Floyd. Mosley would get his ass kicked at any time. Would have taking his ass whipping a while back but he had a toothache.

Prime Forrest gives PBF hell. PBF beats any version of Mosley he has his number.:deal

I agree, Forrest had all the tools to trouble Floyd and maybe even beat him! I think Prime Mosley would of gave Floyd trouble as well. Shane was a Bad ass 10 years ago.. Speed, power punching, stamina, combos.. etc

[JMP]

Some of the best from a variety of styles could beat him; quick mobile southpaws, elite infighters, tough and tall boxer-punchers, and tall boxers/counter-punchers are styles I see picking different men from to beat him.

Beat me to it.

[EJDiaZ]

Prime Vernon would do good

[SOUTHERMOST]

Some of the best from a variety of styles could beat him; quick mobile southpaws, elite infighters, tough and tall boxer-punchers, and tall boxers/counter-punchers are styles I see picking different men from to beat him.

Let’s put them in a blender and come up with a good smoother to intoxicate him. Be realistic guys in boxing Floyd is more than a sum of all the factors.

[ripcity]

I second this! Margarito in his prime was offered but never accepted by Floyd for a reason?
Getting hit in the face great method.

[FinalBELL]

Getting hit in the face great method.

Dude might be a cheat, but Margo's chin is legendary and definetely a problem for anyone.

[Bravado]

I don't see Margarito mirroring Castillos style other than being someone who lurks after you. JLC had supreme footwork and could feint very well. Margarito is just super fucking slow and would've gotten beaten up by Floyd. He barely hurts him but he would be pressured a lot.

[Bogotazo]

Let’s put them in a blender and come up with a good smoother to intoxicate him. Be realistic guys in boxing Floyd is more than a sum of all the factors.

:huh

[Tekniqs]

i think this is the easiest plan ive seen

create a loyal fan base...preferably one that is largely blind....and hopefully one that just started following the sport within the last 5 years

pretend to want to fight floyd

when the fight never gets made your fans will flock to boxing message boards in droves to defend you and claim floyd is the one ducking you.....they will also claim that you will destroy floyd if you could actually get him in the ring

you win twice....your fans say floyd is ducking you and your fans say you destroy floyd...you never get a scratch on ya and your earning power never drops

:rofl:rofl

[bballchump11]

Amir Khan, Floyd cant deal with speed, watch rds 1-4 vs Zab

:rofl

[Farmboxer]

Obviously Pac has the style to beat Void, Void, Sr. and Void, Jr. both know that which is the reason Void refuses to fight him!

[pejevan]

All 3.

Hatton has 2 of the 3, so he still falls short.

Joe Cortez made sure of it!

[Dubbed90]

Kell Brook

/thread

WTF? People seriously need to stop mentioning that guy's name on this threads. Brooks is, and will never be on Mayweather's level.

Another overhyped Englishman.

He wouldn't be able to touch Khan, let alone Floyd.

[klimting]

aggressive, accurate skill (a la ray leonard).
sharp, quick, accurate punches in the (very few) moments where floyd might leave leave openings.
use rough house tactics when inside (a la duran).
constantly keep him out of his comfort zone.
throw all the time, hit arms, shoulders- whatever- just keep wearing him in any way you can.
heart of a lion, someone who doesn't discourage easily.....

in summary a fighter who has the skills of ray leanoard, the strength of duran/ chavez, the resolve and determination of mickey ward and the stamina of manny pacquiao, who fights with the pace and pressure of juan diaz.

obviously, all that is easier said than done.

[leocouture]

Some of the best from a variety of styles could beat him; quick mobile southpaws, elite infighters, tough and tall boxer-punchers, and tall boxers/counter-punchers are styles I see picking different men from to beat him.

name a few guys that can do it now.

remember 42 styles mastered.

[Webbiano]

WTF? People seriously need to stop mentioning that guy's name on this threads. Brooks is, and will never be on Mayweather's level.

Another overhyped Englishman.

He wouldn't be able to touch Khan, let alone Floyd.

Haterz gonna hate

[Juan Ma Lopez]

Williams, Forrest, Spinks

[route1]

a style like roy jones jr is the only one to beat floyd i believe.

[MoJoGoodie]

Prime Antonio Margarito!

with what?

[JunitoJab]

Kick him in the nutz

[mrjotatp4p]

with what?

:lol:

[boxingbull]

I've been a firm believer that a RJJ esque style (which is rare and one of a kind) would beat Mayweather's It's funny I mention that because RJJ actually beat a guy that has May's shoulder roll defense in Toney.

[Bogotazo]

name a few guys that can do it now.

remember 42 styles mastered.

I give Cotto some kind of chance with the best possible gameplan.

I give Pacquiao a good chance as well.

Martinez would at least be competitive.

A lot of those 42 were beat with more than a mastery of style. Floyd's resume is great, but it has it's faults. I'd favor a prime DLH and Mosley to beat him.

[boxingbull]

Also a in the pocket guy with insane handspeed that keep his hands up similar to how Russell Jr. fights and Meldrick Taylor when he brawled (not sure of the defense part) would trouble mayweather but not sure if the style would be enough to win. Sugar Ray Leonard would have beaten Mayweather too.

[Hattons Hook]

WTF? People seriously need to stop mentioning that guy's name on this threads. Brooks is, and will never be on Mayweather's level.

Another overhyped Englishman.

He wouldn't be able to touch Khan, let alone Floyd.




Kell Brook

[Daruf]

I think a Hearns type would probably be Mayweathers kryptonite.
Someone that is just as good or maybe even a better boxer than himself with the same speed that can operate outside of Floyds comfort range.

It would force him to be the aggressor vs someone with superior physical attributes.

[Dunk87]

No one tactic as he continually adapts... you must be able to adapt as he does. Either that or just weight in as a Middleweight.

[boxsensei]

Dude might be a cheat, but Margo's chin is legendary and definetely a problem for anyone.

Not really. Floyd's conditioning is legendary and very well know throughout the sport. All Margaritio's chin would've done, was allow him not to get stopped after 12 rds getting picked apart all night. 120-108. Floyd

[hooligan]

prime odlh

[ripcity]

Hearns, Leonard, Robinson at 147 in that order.

Leonard, Whitaker at 135 in that order.

[KO KIDD]

Its not pressure sure Castillo gave him his toughest fight but Floyd has come a long way

i said counter puncher a guy who gives him no openings to capitalize on moves to the point of running and makes it dull and ugly a cory spinks type

or an unpredictable guy who Floyd wouldnt be able to figure out so he cant time him but that seems impossible

guy to beat floyd needs to be fast, needs to be well schooled with perfect technique, needs some power and must not make mistakes

[DrMo]

WTF? People seriously need to stop mentioning that guy's name on this threads. Brooks is, and will never be on Mayweather's level.

Another overhyped Englishman.

He wouldn't be able to touch Khan, let alone Floyd.

:lol::patsch