The only way Machida can keep me as a fan

[Kestrel]

is if he gives up the belt to Shogun.

I would feel ashame to wear it.

[Ubersteve]

I'm sure there'll be a rematch.

[iamjason]

if Shogun doesn't finish Machida in a rematch
they will screw him up again

[Kestrel]

I'm sure there'll be a rematch.

That's not the point. I like champions who have integrity.

[Dynamite Kid]

You know he isn't.

Their will probably be a rematch.

But Shogun shouldn't have to work his ass off as a challenger again.

The man clearly won the fight.

MACHIDA SHOULD BE CHASING A REMATCH NOT SHOGUN!!!

THIS IS JUST CRAP!!!

[Kestrel]

if Shogun doesn't finish Machida in a rematch
they will screw him up again

Mr. Elusive is not that easy to finish...

[Ubersteve]

I don't think anyone would give it up. Lyoto looked pretty shocked to get the verdict and his speech was basically "oh well, the judges saw it that way I guess", dude knows he got iced, but noones gonna give the belt up.

[Ubersteve]

If anything in the rematch it'll be harder for Lyoto to get the decision, I would imagine.

[Polymath]

I am a MAchida fan and thought he was unbeatable, he clearly isn't.

But some ppl are acting like Shogun is a scrub - dont forget this is the guy recently universally recognised as the best lt heavy in the world; looked like crap during his comeback, but he seems to be back now and when hes on hes at the top top top level of the sport.

Machida and Rua are great fighters; can't wait for the rematch.

[G.A.V.]

I'm sure Machida strives to keep you as a fan and will definitely give up his belt the next chance he gets.

[Rattler]

is if he gives up the belt to Shogun.

I would feel ashame to wear it.

Crap.

He stood in there for 5 rounds with one of the greatest MMA fighters in history and took a beating and gave some back. The judges got it wrong, but it's not Machida's responsibility to make sure Shogun has the belt, it's the judges and Shogun himself that have to do that. If you want to talk about "integrity", how about Shogun turning down a title shot he only earned after beating Liddell (he of the four losses in five fights) and Coleman - two shot fighters, while more deserving challengers are still waiting for their shot. Where's the integrity there?

Machida only owes Shogun a rematch, that's it.

[ufoalf]

Crap.

He stood in there for 5 rounds with one of the greatest MMA fighters in history and took a beating and gave some back. The judges got it wrong, but it's not Machida's responsibility to make sure Shogun has the belt, it's the judges and Shogun himself that have to do that. If you want to talk about "integrity", how about Shogun turning down a title shot he only earned after beating Liddell (he of the four losses in five fights) and Coleman - two shot fighters, while more deserving challengers are still waiting for their shot. Where's the integrity there?

Machida only owes Shogun a rematch, that's it.

Umm, he was the closest one in line after Rampage who declined to fight either Machida OR Evans. Check your facts.

[MaliSlamusrex]

I haven't seen the fight yet but it can't be as bad as Griffin V Rampage.

[Rattler]

Umm, he was the closest one in line buddy after Rampage who declined to fight either Machida OR Evans. Check your facts.

Here's the facts, then.

Rua beat Liddell and Coleman; neither victory is all that impressive.

Evans deserved a rematch before Rua got a title shot. Hendo deserved a shot before Rua. I don't give Rua points for his PRIDE days, that was two years ago. By virture of being a former champ and beating Rua, Forrest Griffin was more deserving, even with the Silva loss.

[Rattler]

I haven't seen the fight yet but it can't be as bad as Griffin V Rampage.

Well, only an idiot things Rampage got hosed in that fight. Griffin did enough to earn the win, even if you think Jackson won the fight.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Griffin's best win was against a Rua when he obviously wasnt right, and his second biggest win was the robbery against Rampage.

Shogun has been a fighting champion who has fought the best guys, Rua has the best credentials out of every LH fighter in the UFC.

The fact that the Machida won the Rua fight no matter how close it was is a massive boots to legitimizing Machida as a champion

Here's the facts, then.

Rua beat Liddell and Coleman; neither victory is all that impressive.

Evans deserved a rematch before Rua got a title shot. Hendo deserved a shot before Rua. I don't give Rua points for his PRIDE days, that was two years ago. By virture of being a former champ and beating Rua, Forrest Griffin was more deserving, even with the Silva loss.

[MaliSlamusrex]

why dont you go and Griffin get a room.

Well, only an idiot things Rampage got hosed in that fight. Griffin did enough to earn the win, even if you think Jackson won the fight.

[Rattler]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Griffin's best win was against a Rua when he obviously wasnt right, and his second biggest win was the robbery against Rampage.

Like I said, only an idiot thinks it was a robbery. As for the Rua fight, Griffin wasn't "right" either... or do you think fighters normally have shoulder surgery just for fun's sake?

Shogun has been a fighting champion who has fought the best guys, Rua has the best credentials out of every LH fighter in the UFC.

PRIDE credentials... which don't matter in the UFC. By that account, Wanderlei Silva should be getting a title shot soon.

The fact that the Machida won the Rua fight no matter how close it was is a massive boots to legitimizing Machida as a champion

Only an idiot thinks Machida wasn't legit before the Rua fight. What happened during it is inconsequential in that regard.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Rampage won that fight. Your the idiot if you think winning in pride doesn't matter in the UFC. W Silva is much older than Shogun so he doesn't deserve a title shot.

I never said Machida wasn't legit before the Rua fight I have been saying he should have had a title shot a year ago, he didn't get it because he didn't speak English.

you think you know everything, don't read what anyone else is saying and basically bullshitting.

Like I said, only an idiot thinks it was a robbery. As for the Rua fight, Griffin wasn't "right" either... or do you think fighters normally have shoulder surgery just for fun's sake?



PRIDE credentials... which don't matter in the UFC. By that account, Wanderlei Silva should be getting a title shot soon.



Only an idiot thinks Machida wasn't legit before the Rua fight. What happened during it is inconsequential in that regard.

[Rattler]

Rampage won that fight.

No, he didn't.

Your the idiot if you think winning in pride doesn't matter in the UFC.

When you haven't beaten a fighter who is coming off a win in three years, until last night, then you haven't done enough to warrant a title shot in the strongest division in all of MMA.

W Silva is much older than Shogun so he doesn't deserve a title shot.

Shogun is much older than Machida so he doesn't deserve a title shot. Stupid logic. Age has nothing to do with it.

I never said Machida wasn't legit before the Rua fight I have been saying he should have had a title shot a year ago, he didn't get it because he didn't speak English.

No, you said last night legitimized him as a champion. That's bollocks. Beating contenders easily on the way to the title legitimized him, getting the belt only made it official on the scorecards. He didn't need to beat Rua to be a legit champ.

you think you know everything, don't read what anyone else is saying and basically bullshitting.

Say something that I can't refute and I'll stop "bullshitting", as you refer to it.

[MaliSlamusrex]

In the last three years Shogun has beaten Ovareem, Liddel, Coleman, and Randleman. Just because you have no idea of MMA outside of the UFC it makes your argument completely pointless.

No, he didn't.



When you haven't beaten a fighter who is coming off a win in three years, until last night, then you haven't done enough to warrant a title shot in the strongest division in all of MMA.



Shogun is much older than Machida so he doesn't deserve a title shot. Stupid logic. Age has nothing to do with it.



No, you said last night legitimized him as a champion. That's bollocks. Beating contenders easily on the way to the title legitimized him, getting the belt only made it official on the scorecards. He didn't need to beat Rua to be a legit champ.



Say something that I can't refute and I'll stop "bullshitting", as you refer to it.

[codeman99998]

I haven't seen the fight yet but it can't be as bad as Griffin V Rampage.

It's way way worse. Seriously? Even if you had Page winning that was a close fight. Shogun-Machida really wasn't even close at all.

[Bill Butcher]

Shogun is much older than Machida

Shogun is 27, Machida is 31.

[Flexb]

wtf, even if you don't agree with the decision, controversial decisions happen all the time

[Kestrel]

Shogun is 27, Machida is 31.

Rattler I think you just got owned there. :lol:

[Polymath]

It's way way worse. Seriously? Even if you had Page winning that was a close fight. Shogun-Machida really wasn't even close at all.

It wasn't even that close. Griffin dominated nearly every aspect of the fight; landed brutal leg kicks at will, easily won a rd on the ground; even flurried more and landed more clean punches. Rampage may have landed heavier punches, maybe. But that wouldn't even have won him a boxing match.

[HyperBone]

Mr. Elusive is not that easy to finish...

Mr elusive lol. He isnt now. Rua laid a blueprint to beat him.

[ufoalf]

Here's the facts, then.

Rua beat Liddell and Coleman; neither victory is all that impressive.

Evans deserved a rematch before Rua got a title shot. Hendo deserved a shot before Rua. I don't give Rua points for his PRIDE days, that was two years ago. By virture of being a former champ and beating Rua, Forrest Griffin was more deserving, even with the Silva loss.

How does Evans deserve after getting his ass handed to him? There was no fucking doubt about that like with Shogun vs Machida. News flash, Hendo hasn't fought in 205 since he lost to Rampage and said he has no intention going back up to that weight. Yea, Forrest's EMBARRASSING loss to A.Silva doesn't count, and I'm sure no one would say a thing if Dana White announced Forrest vs Machida for the title, and a high light real for promo is Forrest gettin schooled :patsch.
So your top effin choices is 2 guys coming off a loss, one of which is a middleweight, and a guy who JUST got schooled. You're so smart :thumbsup

[M.I.G.]

Giving up the belt would be pointless if he agrees to a rematch.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Machida won that fight, watch the fight without the commentary.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Griffin kicked him in the leg once, because Griffin is a fan favorite the crowed influenced the judges. I can't belive people think Machida lost the fight, Rua countered with a low kick but he walked into a lot of punches, Machida was doing the best work.

It wasn't even that close. Griffin dominated nearly every aspect of the fight; landed brutal leg kicks at will, easily won a rd on the ground; even flurried more and landed more clean punches. Rampage may have landed heavier punches, maybe. But that wouldn't even have won him a boxing match.

[Rattler]

Rattler I think you just got owned there. :lol:

Yes, I did.

[Rattler]

How does Evans deserve after getting his ass handed to him? There was no fucking doubt about that like with Shogun vs Machida. News flash, Hendo hasn't fought in 205 since he lost to Rampage and said he has no intention going back up to that weight. Yea, Forrest's EMBARRASSING loss to A.Silva doesn't count, and I'm sure no one would say a thing if Dana White announced Forrest vs Machida for the title, and a high light real for promo is Forrest gettin schooled :patsch.
So your top effin choices is 2 guys coming off a loss, one of which is a middleweight, and a guy who JUST got schooled. You're so smart :thumbsup

Fine. Shogun won a tournament in an organization that no longer exists and has beaten two shot fighters in the UFC. Boom... the greatest resume for a title shot ever in the history of the world. Nobody has ever done more to earn a title shot. In fact, Chuck Liddell should be ashamed of himself, fighting the likes of Couture, when he could've fought his own past prime self to shoot up the ladder to a title shot. Mark Coleman might be the best 205 fighter in the planet, so beating him is amazing.

Dumb Machida had to dominate 6 opponents and have Frank Mir and Rampage get injured to get a title shot. He's a bum who didn't earn it like Shogun did. I mean... 39 year old Chuck Liddell AND 44 year old Mark Coleman!!!!!!!!!! Yowza... HOW DID SHOGUN SERVIVE THAT MURDERER'S ROW!

Makes the fact that he did nothing in the UFC before getting a title shot and not winning a significant fight for two years anywhere seem irrelevant. HE BEAT MARK COLEMAN!!!! OHMYGOD!!!!