How does your p4p top 10 look now? [Archive]

Bill Butcher

10-25-2009, 11:32 AM

Does last night's fight between Rua and Machida change your rankings?

Yes, I now have it like this.....

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. Rua
4. GSP
5. Penn
6. Machida

Ps. There is close to 0 between numbers 2-5 tho & they could swap with no argument from me but.... Machida cannot rank higher than any of those 5 guys at the moment IMO & Fedor is solid at no1.

196osh

10-25-2009, 11:33 AM

Rua higher than GSP is a bad call imo.

Bill Butcher

10-25-2009, 11:39 AM

Rua higher than GSP is a bad call imo.

I dont mind if GSP is ranked higher than Rua at the moment, my list is on the basis that I think Shogun at his peak (Pride version) is a touch better than GSP & I think Shogun looked back to that form in his last 2 fights, he just beat the most on form p4per in Machida who a lot of people had in their top 4 or 5 before this fight, he must at least take the place of Machida, whether thats ahead of GSP or not.

:good

WATERBOY

10-25-2009, 11:51 AM

haha im a big rua fan but puttin him above gsp after 2 good fights is not good
my p4p

1.gsp
2.fedor
3.silva
4.penn
5.rua
6.machida
7.fitch
8.brown
9.alves
10.henderson

Bill Butcher

10-25-2009, 12:12 PM

haha im a big rua fan but puttin him above gsp after 2 good fights is not good
my p4p

1.gsp
2.fedor
3.silva
4.penn
5.rua
6.machida
7.fitch
8.brown
9.alves
10.henderson

I have no problem with GSP being higher but putting GSP over Fedor is not good either IMO.

Weber

10-25-2009, 12:43 PM

I have no problem with GSP being higher but putting GSP over Fedor is not good either IMO.

Agreed. Fedor is basically of the charts in all departments, I don't see how you could rank anyone above him.

bachatu

10-25-2009, 01:04 PM

how is GSP making people's #1 when he hasn't fought outside the division and proven himself against bigger competition while others like Silva have

WATERBOY

10-25-2009, 01:43 PM

do u know what p4p means its not about fighting bigger people its taking a fighters skill set and comparing it to another fighters! gsp imo is the best fighter p4p in the world
best wrestler in mma! elite striker out hit alves! bjj black belt! add to that he's probably the best athlete in mma fast strong and to me p4p if he was born a nautral heavy he'd beat fedor's ass! silva would get whooped aswell if he were a nautral middle!

just my opinion tho people!

Ubersteve

10-25-2009, 01:55 PM

Noone would whip Fedor's ass, ever.

Bill Butcher

10-25-2009, 04:20 PM

Noone would whip Fedor's ass, ever.

Very true, that shits impossible.

zarman

10-25-2009, 04:51 PM

1. fedor
2. gsp
3. anderson
4. bj penn
5. machida
6. rua

G.A.V.

10-25-2009, 05:19 PM

Yes, I now have it like this.....

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. Rua
4. GSP
5. Penn
6. Machida

Ps. There is close to 0 between numbers 2-5 tho & they could swap with no argument from me but.... Machida cannot rank higher than any of those 5 guys at the moment IMO & Fedor is solid at no1.

>Rua
>Rated higher than GSP or Penn

HAAAAAAA.

ufoalf

10-25-2009, 06:45 PM

Tko4

10-25-2009, 06:54 PM

lol @ Machida still being mentioned. Tell me he's not overrated... The guy is not even top LHW and somehow he still makes the list. Bet you both Rampage and Anderson would would Machida's ass at 205, not to mention Tito in a rematch after Shogun whoops Machida again.

I don't see how losing (well, not even technically losing) a fight to another top 10 fighter makes you overrated and not worth being mentioned on a P4P list. Have you forgotten that every guy on there has losses, except Fedor? Penn seems to lose every other fight, but he's consistently ranked in the top 5. Machida has a good record and has beaten some good fighters. I don't think having a close fight with Shogun diminishes that all that much. After all, this is Shogun, a guy who a few years ago was widely considered to be the best LHW in the world.

rekcutnevets

10-25-2009, 07:47 PM

Fedor- Best all time heavy and p4p, best current heavy, but p4p is going to get iffy in the near future. If his best rivals remain in ufc, then it will be hard to justify keeping him atop if guys in weight classes below him get better match-ups.

Silva- Damn I hate to give him credit for beating Griffin. I called that fight from the moment it was announced. I posted several times in this forum that it would be a slaughter, and was made just to give him a spectacular showing to help his marketability. Griffin was the former 205 champ, with official wins over Rua and Jackson.

GSP- Is still right in this running with win over Alves, and I have no problems with those that have him higher.

Penn- Another win or so like his last, and he is just as credible atop the sport as anyone.

Rua- Some were already ranking Machida higher than this. With his "loss" last night, I'm sliding Rua in at #5. When Rua came to the UFC and lost to Griffin, I heard he excuses about his injuries. I said to myself that only time would allow for the truth. It looks as though the injuries may have been a factor. Rua was slightly better when he faced Coleman, then better yet against Liddell, and last night he showed he's stepped his game up again since losing to Griffin.

Machida- May have been blown out on my card last night, but he made Shogun work for it. Shogun also beat Evans, who was doing quite well for himself rankings wise before. Machida appeared stronger, and faster, than his should have been conqueror last night. Shogun was able to kick faster, but it looked as though his kicks were traveling a smaller range of motion. I remember seeing Machida land a low kick early, and being amazed by its speed.

I've got some things to do, and can't keep going at this pace. Maybe I'll finish later

J_Roth

10-25-2009, 11:39 PM

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Silva
4. Penn
5. mix it up

Vitor Belfort

10-26-2009, 06:24 PM

1. Fedor-Best in the world without a doubt
2. Silva-0 losses in the ufc
3. GSP- loss to serra so i cannot put him above anderson
4. BJ Penn- best lw in the universe
5. Rua- is back and just beat the # 1 lhw machida on saturday.

snakey112

10-26-2009, 06:40 PM

fedor
anderson
gsp
penn
shogun
machida
mousasi
brown
fitch
sanchez

jimmie

10-26-2009, 07:09 PM

Fedor
Anderson Silva
GSP
BJ Penn
Shogun Rua
Lyoto Machida

Flexb

10-26-2009, 07:49 PM

lol @ Machida still being mentioned. Tell me he's not overrated... The guy is not even top LHW and somehow he still makes the list. Bet you both Rampage and Anderson would would Machida's ass at 205, not to mention Tito in a rematch after Shogun whoops Machida again.

Whoa, just because Machida finally actually got kicked and punched in a fight, lets not get ahead of ourselves. The dude beat tito when he was still developing and murdered undefeated Rashad, the man who put the tombstone down on Lidell's career. And up until saturday was barely even touched in a fight, setting a record for the least touched fighter in UFC history.

ufoalf

10-26-2009, 08:05 PM

Whoa, just because Machida finally actually got kicked and punched in a fight, lets not get ahead of ourselves. The dude beat tito when he was still developing and murdered undefeated Rashad, the man who put the tombstone down on Lidell's career. And up until saturday was barely even touched in a fight, setting a record for the least touched fighter in UFC history.

WOOOOW what a resume!!!

Also throw in "never defended a title".

québecwarrior

10-26-2009, 08:16 PM

Whoa, just because Machida finally actually got kicked and punched in a fight, lets not get ahead of ourselves. The dude beat tito when he was still developing and murdered undefeated Rashad, the man who put the tombstone down on Lidell's career. And up until saturday was barely even touched in a fight, setting a record for the least touched fighter in UFC history.
Lol Liddell is finished since his KO loss vs Rampage jackson.
He was never the same after.
A prime Liddell KO a fuckin jardine

Flexb

10-26-2009, 08:16 PM

WOOOOW what a resume!!!

Also throw in "never defended a title".

Knocking off the likes of those 2 in that context says a lot. The dude is still wet behind the ears in the UFC which again says a lot. He does have one title defense, so you're lying now. :D

Flexb

10-26-2009, 08:19 PM

Lol Liddell is finished since his KO loss vs Rampage jackson.
He was never the same after.
A prime Liddell KO a fuckin jardine

I think that Rashad KO was the icing on the cake.I don't think anyone could get up from that mentally. Didn't Lidell defeat Silva after the Rampage loss? That was a stellar performance against a legend.

québecwarrior

10-26-2009, 08:20 PM

Liddell defeated a more shot Silva than he was. GOod fight but they werent the legend they were 5 years ago.

Flexb

10-26-2009, 08:46 PM

Ya I agree with that, but Rashad is no joke and that KO was the most vicious I've seen. I have a feeling he'd have a good chance a icing Rua. Just a hunch

ufoalf

10-26-2009, 09:09 PM

He does have one title defense, so you're lying now. :D

Oh cmon, not even Machida believes that.

Flexb

10-26-2009, 09:11 PM

Oh cmon, not even Machida believes that.

Hey, I thought Shogun won and was surprised by the decision but it is what it is. I've seen it so many times in boxing, usually against the guy I'm rooting for so this one is a nice present. lol

ufoalf

10-26-2009, 09:54 PM

Hey, I thought Shogun won and was surprised by the decision but it is what it is. I've seen it so many times in boxing, usually against the guy I'm rooting for so this one is a nice present. lol

Either way, he lost the fight, can't exactly put this "victory" on his resume when trying to argue for p4p.

Flexb

10-26-2009, 10:10 PM

Either way, he lost the fight, can't exactly put this "victory" on his resume when trying to argue for p4p.

On paper you can :D

sugarsean

10-27-2009, 08:41 PM

Noone would whip Fedor's ass, ever.

glass jawed Andre Arlovski was whupping his ass easy until he got with one punch ,Fedor is the most overated fighter I've seen

rekcutnevets

10-27-2009, 09:06 PM

Posted by sugarsean
glass jawed Andre Arlovski was whupping his ass easy until he got with one punch ,Fedor is the most overated fighter I've seen
Who's better?

sugarsean

10-27-2009, 09:40 PM

Who's better?

well there's quiet a few, I'm mean who has he beat that makes him the greatest ever fighter, all thats pure bullshit, you have to beat great fighters to be great.

Flexb

10-27-2009, 09:41 PM

Fedor looks like a bowling champ

rekcutnevets

10-27-2009, 10:20 PM

Posted by sugarsean
well there's quiet a few, I'm mean who has he beat that makes him the greatest ever fighter, all thats pure bullshit, you have to beat great fighters to be great.If his record unimpressed you, you are a newcomer to the sport. I don't have time to go into why he is such a big deal, if you have no clue where I am coming from.

The man only has one loss in his record. That loss was by tko after his opponent landed an illegal blow seconds into the fight which resulted in a cut. Fedor was not allowed to continue.

Fedor defeated anyone that was anyone at his weight; Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Cro Crop, Minotauro...

Minotauro and Cro Cop are in most knowledgeable fan's top few heavyweights of all time in mma. Minotauro is held quite high in all time p4p discussion as well.

Who do you have in mind that has anywhere near that record, with fewer setbacks?

Vitor Belfort

10-27-2009, 10:50 PM

well there's quiet a few, I'm mean who has he beat that makes him the greatest ever fighter, all thats pure bullshit, you have to beat great fighters to be great.

lol you must not know much about fedor's pride fighting days to question his resume.

here's a few name he defeated
Big nog- in his prime 2nd best Hw at the time
Mirko Crocop -in his prime 3rd best Hw at the time
Herring
Randleman-former ufc champ
Coleman-former ufc champ
fujita-ogawa-goodridge-schilt

Arona-sobral in other mma event
Defeated 2 former ufc champions back to back in sylvia (36 Seconds) Arlovski (1st Rd)

Vitor Belfort

10-27-2009, 10:53 PM

glass jawed Andre Arlovski was whupping his ass easy until he got with one punch ,Fedor is the most overated fighter I've seen

lol that's funny.. he was whooping his ass until he got KTFO:lol: so in other word he still won:lol:

ufoalf

10-28-2009, 01:24 AM

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sugarsean

10-28-2009, 01:26 AM

lol that's funny.. he was whooping his ass until he got KTFO:lol: so in other word he still won:lol:

The point is that he was getting dominated until he landed a lucky punch, thats why I say that all this talk about him being unbeatable and the greatest fighter ever is bullshit.

ufoalf

10-28-2009, 01:59 AM

The point is that he was getting dominated until he landed a lucky punch, thats why I say that all this talk about him being unbeatable and the greatest fighter ever is bullshit.
He wasn't dominated, ure a retard. He was getting outboxed yes. And he wasn't gettin outboxed all the bad, in fact a lot of exchanges actually never landed on him if you watch carefully. If he was gettin dominated he'd look like Machida after the fight.

Mikey11

10-28-2009, 02:10 PM

1) Brock Lesnar
2) Brock Lesnar
3) Brock Lesnar
4) Brock Lesnar
5) Me.

Bill Butcher

10-28-2009, 02:22 PM

Fedor
Anderson Silva
GSP
BJ Penn
Shogun Rua
Lyoto Machida

That is actually a very good list.

If GSP steps up like Penn did & loses worse than BJ did, Id swap both.

If Anderson stays at LHWT & doesnt look as dominant as Rua, Id drop Anderson.

If Rua beats Machida again, especially more decisively, Id move Rua up, the man has the talent & Machida would be the name opponent to give that talent the ranking he deserves.

I had Rua at no3 early on, perhaps that was too soon, I just loved the man in Pride, I had him at no2 behind Fedor in those days, Ive been dying for that man to return & I think he has but he needs a couple more good wins in clear fashion to surpass GSP, Penn or Silva, we can only judge their UFC/recent fight careers I suppose.... but remember I told you all... Shogun is back to stay :good

rekcutnevets

10-28-2009, 10:13 PM

Posted by Bill Butcher
That is actually a very good list.

If GSP steps up like Penn did & loses worse than BJ did, Id swap both.

If Anderson stays at LHWT & doesnt look as dominant as Rua, Id drop Anderson.

If Rua beats Machida again, especially more decisively, Id move Rua up, the man has the talent & Machida would be the name opponent to give that talent the ranking he deserves.

I had Rua at no3 early on, perhaps that was too soon, I just loved the man in Pride, I had him at no2 behind Fedor in those days, Ive been dying for that man to return & I think he has but he needs a couple more good wins in clear fashion to surpass GSP, Penn or Silva, we can only judge their UFC/recent fight careers I suppose.... but remember I told you all... Shogun is back to stay

I posted that list befor jimmie. Can't I get some recognition in my own thread?

Bill Butcher

10-29-2009, 04:23 PM

I posted that list befor jimmie. Can't I get some recognition in my own thread?

:clap:

Well done rek, you are indeed a man among men :good

196osh

10-29-2009, 04:53 PM

I posted that list befor jimmie. Can't I get some recognition in my own thread?

:blood

:think

:party for rekcutnevets.

:thumbsup

rekcutnevets

10-29-2009, 07:32 PM

That is more like it.

jimmie

10-30-2009, 12:39 AM

That is more like it.

Relax man I happened to I have the same list as you and because somebody else noticed mine instead of yours you act all weird like your jealous of something.

MaliSlamusrex

10-30-2009, 09:08 AM

Vitor Belfort.....

soon to be number one.

rekcutnevets

10-30-2009, 10:31 AM

Posted by jimmie
Relax man I happened to I have the same list as you and because somebody else noticed mine instead of yours you act all weird like your jealous of something.I was only joking. I would have used profanity, and accused you of stealing my list if I were serious. I wouldn't be surprised to see several people with that list.

jimmie

10-30-2009, 02:49 PM

I was only joking. I would have used profanity, and accused you of stealing my list if I were serious. I wouldn't be surprised to see several people with that list.

Ok then cool I may have took it the wrong way.

rekcutnevets

10-30-2009, 09:41 PM

Posted by jimmie
Ok then cool I may have took it the wrong way.
It's hard to judge the intent of someone's comment when you read it, as opposed to when you hear it. I'm sure it happens all the time.

jimmie

10-30-2009, 11:33 PM

It's hard to judge the intent of someone's comment when you read it, as opposed to when you hear it. I'm sure it happens all the time.

Yeah thats one of the few things I dislike about the internet.

196osh

10-31-2009, 09:16 AM

An easy way around that is to use these puppies: :lol:, :yep, :hey, :smoke,:happy, :party.

yesihavearm2

10-31-2009, 12:57 PM

BJ Penn is the p4p best fighter in the world, if Penn was the same size as GSP he would win 8/10 in all honesty and if he was the same size as Silva and Fedor I'd put him as favourite as well.

P4P means exactly that.

québecwarrior

10-31-2009, 01:10 PM

jimmie

10-31-2009, 01:21 PM

No he wouldnt, BJ Penn will always lack the cardio to beat GSP in a 5 round fight

He will always lack the cardio to beat a guy who is coming in at 185. BJ is a better striker and JiuJitsu guy if GSP doesnt have all that strength (large part do to weight advantage) he doesnt get as many takedowns and sure as hell dont pass his guard especially without vasoline :yep

québecwarrior

10-31-2009, 01:24 PM

He will always lack the cardio to beat a guy who is coming in at 185. BJ is a better striker and JiuJitsu guy if GSP doesnt have all that strength (large part do to weight advantage) he doesnt get as many takedowns and sure as hell dont pass his guard especially without vasoline :yep
Penn is not a better striker. And as long as BJ don't get the takedown and fall on top of GSP, he will always lose in a 5 round fight.